to have to say, that's why we listen. because every weekend on w, the business, the, the news africa coming up on the program 30 is of the south africans. and that's why it's only room who failed. the victims of a policy meets the movements. now that the ladies protesting against being shut out of the country's truth and reconciliation process. dmc government says these are the ends. do you have demonstration and go home. also coming up in the democratic republic of congo. it's the end of an era as the you enforcement of school pulls out to who will protect the people now and cannot leave swear in crushing form either london mouth or not just one or 2 victories on terrorist of

church or smashed the wealth records. snatching this from her own mental th, i, eddie mike, how junior and you are welcome to the program 30 years ago. so it has started a fall south africans. the countries fast to democratic elections brought an end to apartheid and decades of violent, racist white's minority too. so the advocates press governments and lead by nelson mondale. i chose to press you forgiveness over persecution, introduced the truth and reconciliation commission, prefatory tests and victims of violence and human rights abuses, could give testimony and requests amnesty from both criminal and civil prosecution . but till today, thousands in south africa still few let down. some of them,

elderly citizens who often forth apartheid demanding reparations for the crimes. they suffered style and whole ca, reports from johannesburg as the what they say is applied to justice on the step so. so that's because constitutional members of the movement have spent the last 5 months attempting here on the quote, the states they say many victims of a particular were crimes, a being ignored, even though the government has a fund with a $100000000.00 us dollars for reparations. no more actually up with nazis, the groups leader and says many of the members missed out on the truth and reconciliation process. i feel is down and i feel that the government does look doing and it just is not all new to me. to use an a but a victim in south africa,

a by not allowing the by not even creating that platform. because i feel like it's a pie. one is a healing is a healing, is assist you to speak out, to be listened at. and at the same time, to be at least the last, when i say say she was beaten by a party police while working as an activist, back perhaps the most painful school is the loss of her brother. she sees you was murdered by the on the 1993 during the vigil for liberation active as chris time. talk about a week look know we way use with about these boards and to i had to go to the government which was in to me, steve, where i found it, pecked off a copse, the dead bodies would pick like a like a bag of cement on top of in order to get to know hughes body,

i have to ask also the person was we can good. can you help me? because i feel like my pride that you may be among those would nicely see these days wasn't able to investigate the system organization. the cool money support group has a 150000 statements from people who missed out during the t or c process. improve statements, it says the government should consider that has been, it says many victims would not comfortable to speak out so soon off to apply to it . while others didn't have the means, the states and they have an honest with the way the to i see statement take is would be, i mean, it was turned back if you even heard of it. and then also because people had basically really destitute already at that time. they didn't have money to take texas to go to the state and take cuz i'm, there's with some of the very practical programs we have documented this. oh,

for the department of justice, because we think it's completely unjustified to disclose the dues we all this week has been documented and, and the floor was list is the lack of political will. off the decades of writing niches and lobby. they hope the physical presence at the heart of the justice system might shame the government into action. joining me now is yasmin suca for my truth and reconciliation commission. hello and welcome to the program of them. with so many victims of apartheid not being had and still waiting for compensation that the t l. c. fail or no, i think the ti i see with a huge success and that is set to meet, but she was, it was made to do in terms of the legislation. i think the failure to do with what we call the unfinished business of the truth commission, must last squarely at the fees on the stage and also the national

prosecutorial authority. because, you know, it has always understood that if people did not apply for amnesty, which was conditional or if they failed to get on this, the been a little would follow its course. and so in 1998, when the commission completed these hearings, it had been a list of more than 300 cases. to the national prosecutorial authority. of course, in the speed of, i would say 26 years. less than 20. are seeing the lights of day and that is why i think be looking at this question of what political interference the was in dealing with these issues. right sir, you seem to be pointing fingers at the government. so let me ask you, there's a government says it's too late to reopen cases. is it really too late, or is it

a lack of interest to compensate victims of apartheid? era crimes, i think is the political will. and you know, if these cases had been investigated and these, but the traitors had been put on trial 20 years ago. mean, of course i think you'd have seen more just as full victims. but because we discover the cause of forcing the state to do its job back, in fact they had been political interference on the part of the state names about a model. toria really was switching place not to investigate these cases and not to prosecute these cases. and that is why so many years later, i think the victims are really struggling for justice. i don't think it's ever to date, you know, to deal with these cases. and in fact,

if you look at the 20 cases which we have been pursuing on behalf of the victims, we have a number of successful inquiries. and right now we have at least 3 trials which are ongoing and the quotes. and i think this is the same as the many countries, including places like argentina and should a wave prosecutions continue. many, many years. data. i think the biggest, of course, is that, you know, perpetrators of bossing on and of course the families of victims and dr. young, i've a and so this, i think creating watson in boss definitely did quite an impass. can you really helped me understand why on e and c governments that was part of the liberation that somehow suppressing cases of victims when you consider the which in fact, most of the victims that we're speaking all what people who gave up the lives in

the struggle for the duration it does seem rather strange. i mean, fact when one has us many amc stalwarts. one of the answers we've received is that, you know, if we prosecute, then they going to mon, private prosecutions, which i think really is a nonsense. but i think and more interesting response which i haven't received is that these are really still that you know, many people who are informed as, as is in most conflicts that they would be lost. and i think fact lives at the heart of why and, and the government didn't do with it. we had the cost of saying that we want to get to the choose of why the investigations and prosecutions didn't happen. they need an independent commission of inquiry water to have the 4 weeks to call the

former president in big as well because he didn't use the machine that the mark, tory, and was put in place. right. so how often mistake can we be that the ongoing public activism and protest could force the government to address the issue, especially if he had over elections as i think we have to activism both by the families of victims. and of course, you know, the foundation for human rights, which has been the primary civil society organizations, which is really push this question of justice will victims as a directions. and i think that we've been quite successful. the cost is a lot more work to do. and we're good to have to continue with that struggle. i think the saddest thing of course is that now we have big intergenerational issue with these big children who are very young at the time the family man. this was

killed, went off, taking off the busing. and you know that, that he's a told him that he's being bossed onto the children as well. right. um, let me get your thoughts on this quickly before you go. that's still so many victims of a pop by and still waiting for some form of reparation. what's your recommendation? what would you like to see down today to address this? we say back, in fact, you know, on the question of reservations, base full money that he's missed in the prison spot and you know, the community that the rations was never really paid off. and we believe that the government really needs to look at this issue again. and what we've got to look at is what kind of criteria we can put in place to at least compensate the victims that are still alive. and the family members were needed. i mean, the case of prosecutions. we said, send up a special court, set up a quote with switching judges from the only job is,

is to deal with these cases and set up a team of special prosecutors for the boat to, to only dealing with these cases. i mean that way we can move these issues forward . right. jasmine suca form. i choose and reconciliation commission. i thank you very much for your time. i thank you. let's now go to the democratic republic of congo, where the un peacekeeping mission, when new school is leaving after 25 years, or the pots are requested by the congolese authority to stop worrying some people, especially in remote areas like the high plateau of south cable, where in security passes, use powell as the report from east in the c, as it looks like the google is meiza file. the c is in the fight with one of the many groups. so bearing thinking says, keep but these, these and exist size,

they are learning was again, from pakistani please keep pearls before they have to continue have their home around that a 3rd to show as my man are learning from a new sco, alimony sco eh, we're preparing from a noose goes to parcher and i printed a bunch of them. so we're learning what we'll have to do after they leave it. i think it depends on when they've run through many basic techniques together. and by the end of april, the 120 basically for us will leave the base things if you guys are, if we can get to the computer, it's mandy terry. the, the quote was repeat, the sign includes accusations of the payments of sort. joe said, i read but the departing team, c's, and they do. we are getting the, if we already see troops, we've been conducting that training for about 15 days. now. we have bring them in

the basic one bedroom, basic uh for uh, a normal safety precautions. indeed, or tunneling handling with the locals, and they are already since they have the locals. and if you already see it blows their locals and they are better than most and with a little bit of custom, envision it says a people leaving and this can pulls up by just any contingent as being you have to protect it since 2020 now some 2005 hundreds here is it for the kids or coming that conflict which found up again in 2019 with fresh violence between differential codes. i'm groups. so then i've been forced from that homes and mainly in the camp outs kept to see the peacekeepers defaults minnesota fema. visually, we are very sorry. was that what we're sorry to seem a new sco leave for about, but if they need to see, because we're worried that in security will return a lot, little excited. the safety is up. we fled here even though the congolese military was in our village concord lot,

so we have no assurance that they will be able to protect us like munoz go, did you bundle with dish or was it like you think so? drills are leaving. these relates to the chevy for a base for the know when you score he's leaving, come go because the government ask them to go. so you need that shift bleats or these by to more than 20 euro things the country. so you install jail, so it'd be gone from south cable by the end of april, and from the rest of the country by the end up. so you're or some on this. let's bring in the pilot laws at e. w. correspondence in the democratic republic of congo. hello, paul. i called in to the withdrawal plan. my new school will transfer all of its basis to come release of, sorry, tease and security forces. but how prepared are they to take over? yes, indeed, according to these transition from the which has been approved by companies october to like november, also bases and overall to community security policies. which means that police will

take over mainly in your bank areas and city centrals. why is the company's army corps of pharmacy will be posted in a remote place? these we've, i'm good presents such as me think a while i was. so i don't want to predict anything on whether the communities of the capacity to own those, the protection of those bases, and those tvs will leave there. we know that communities, i mean, so for us from on but then months and the lack of material about 2 thirds of truth on my way back for me. 10 gay i stopped by is us if you have come on your law. well, the 1st one is go based, west prince fell to the police and let's february what i found is enough to play soon enough coming to us so. so who knows? the area police man inside didn't receive any surprise of food. the single one has collapsed. it was at least the case a week ago. uh huh. that's a has interesting doesn't sound like uh, a team ready to take over about. well, whenever i know how things go from here, also, what was interesting from your report was that some people are concerned about their withdrawal of new school. give us

a sense of how much supports that is for them with new school withdrawal. yes, you're in use, don't come go. we've got to do so. difference between people living in cities, centrals such as grandma, where i stand now. and we might say we as feeling on she's that you've heard the. yeah. and those are people i've talked to were afraid that said, well, you don't see as good spoke again, but still still, steve was pretty quiet tubs of my months though up and also need to be present. for instance, a really valued on config is to going on, tends on sales, done. so people to prepare different, different moves. so basically if and when is good, tell peter is i really concerned to leave this place even though local authorities as sure of the many policemen out to, they being trained and they will be able to fulfill the victim. so here's the thing after more than 20 yourself, one of us go security in the d l. c. knew i criticized by many, right. what main issues that people have against them as well before i'm going to call you uh monday which uh,

peacekeeping. nissan settled back in 1999. any changes to one east coast, that'd be the vision of the country was a to the mandate. but congress totally to change these updates extra and of course the blue and most can protect people, but the conflicts in different are we as well when you school was just kept going and nothing was actually really stabilized. according to people who organize demonstrations, they were fed up to see trends, rules driving because i know needing a lot of money without any seeing any change. this isn't least what i've been told . right? so people don't go go to off and walks on to the m 23 and we've been group adults by rhonda rebuilding from as she's elaine 2021 after being defeated in 2013 by the i'm on your school. but this time be to k to add of the new school. it was this, this was she said, that's a, that's a critic on. so which decided companies to present on $5680.00 to ags or withdrawal . so your social security forces on the ground has not stopped the conflict between

especially the m $23.00 rebel group and come the lease forces. this has led to international calls for a diploma. i think solution about how realistic is if you magic solution like i need to do a little introduction because the subtraction or run goodnight is getting worse and worse. hundreds of thousands of people are rough, pulse, their homes, and no leaving cams around the city. close to a 1000000 people around like 20 displaced to within. so city which is today surrounded by the n 23. many forces appeared and i'm talking about community service mess. and i raised following for us here. and i'm groups. what kind of work together showing the president decided it decided to, to fight towards on talk study. the only way to a panel discussion today would be for you to run that for the done or tell me to read cook nice of supports of m $23.00 fighters. and so it presents up front that different proceed income, go and then to a verbal of some of the company's thoughts. but as long as we will deny it,

it looks like the situation will be just frozen. clearly a lot still to be sorts of out power losses daddy w correspondence in the democratic republic of congo. thank you. now, east africa not leads, way in dominance form of the 44th london bar, then raised out so not just one, but 2 canyon victories. and the women's tournaments, the reading and, and then pick champ, deanna pat us to change her secure victory while smashing the world's record. at time of 2 hours, 16 minutes and 16 seconds, wiping off the woman's only costs records set by kenya's married ty, tiny in 2017 alexander, which he so when you all made it a canyon double with his victory in the men's race, y'all trail to jo town long distance legend and a niece of the candidate through the streets of london, only to pull i had in the final collaborative and take the advanced race and church . you pass a eyes set going or not. i'll double in paris, take

a lesson. i know this, this was not easy. it was wendy. and this i know the ladies who are strong. so i don't myself let's me wait. yeah. and deal with the last 2 minutes. i'm feeling good. this is the, the, let's do this. ok now to so it makes seem for them. so i was trying to pick a hug. i them good. i know know of the air from i think it's the batteries. yeah. to. and michael de la d. i do with you from these are useful. it's joyce us here in the studio. that'd be nice to have you here. jeff central taking a while to record from one of our canyon women. mary k. tiny. it's like, well record relay for them. what's the secrets of the success? the opinions uh, tradition of math on runners and parents jumped it. you're taking this record, i mean just plays into the game because she looked up to mug cataneo when she was

i, a teenager, a who was a i don't have a mental and now just sticking the record from my eyes, this continues like i thought his hand in the bunch on over but also jump teacher is not new to the game. she was told she only begins moss on golden middle when a new york milestone we are both the mos on we 9. she's now turned a bonus. you one i, the mos on last year to go this year. so if progress or high and she could be a new force. another forced to do an empty games this year. sounds like all she does is wayne wayne wayne no matter what, but it's not just that women team went in the men also enjoyed success. tell us more. alexander, i'm when you all can. yeah. defeated. you see what you're in? good candidates. i'd be too late to complete the math and also uh for one year. how did you take the title to his rich friend kelvin, keep to the guy who on the bottom to last your who unfortunately died in february

this year? you know, so it's kenya on kenya. again that over and over again. so this is just the legacy of running and can you as you john and going into uh the olympics. yeah, we were expecting that kelvin. keep to him. we was of them a world record holder. yeah. would go come introduce. yeah. and i really do christians, but he died. yeah. but his legacy lives on. yeah. i guess it's fair to say in your house it. well the record holder in haven't that's, that's spencer. definitely. to put it, looking at the success, the natural to enjoyed by team kenya overall. does the olympic games coming up? what can we expect from team kenya? and indeed the advocacy, i think kenya has quality or budget truck. you know, every new raise, there's a new name coming up on difficult grids like a control gets to in the in line for the olympics. so we jumped into the defending

champion in the, in the women's also. so you use the nice thing can yeah, still has it, but they'll be if you, if you, on the heels and uganda, you know, and, but it makes one interesting of infant games and see in paris. yeah. just to be plan . i'd say it has no child's any of this. oh no nigeria will be competing only i think in the women's hurdles and the women's them john. uh, but i think we have cause measure it has the word record hold ended, women's organization is a thing of pride. we say, yeah, we, in terms of that, they hold on to that upright until team gone out takes, you know, that's where i couldn't away from you guys. well, this is the noon. uh my news. i haven't seen any gotten in runa worthy of that. and that's where that's where that is. yeah. so you expect that when they got in the library and talking sports, and since i was going to be a little bunch i'm, i've been to very my, but it's not zillow, you're not, you're not related to. i do, we found deed of useful. thank you very much. thank you. and on that last note to

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