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they've been a priest for about 12 years and an exorcist for 8 years. don't i usually read is the prettiest good. i have no doubt that god and the devil exist. i have real evidence that the devil is here that he's active and that we need to be aware of him truly to all the belief in the devil to many it sounds like maybe for a little bit in the 21st century. sation is making something of a comeback. some people have no doubt the devil exists, including those who hunting down exercises typically keep a lung profile the we me except for to see what they have to say the something with a z move, the vegas of welcome victory. we are thrilled to welcome you here for your baptism

citizen. the course of baptism is always a very special occasion, jack, are you in a chance to meet the future member of the community? who thinks that to move in buttons if we make this sign on the forehead sugarless, whole digital in the catholic tradition. when someone is baptized, they sometimes undergo an initial exorcism upon entering the church and not only going about the way. so you'd be, look at the baptism, we try to banish all evil from the heart. the don't last you have it too, cuz i know you're ancient writes, describe the notion of a minor exercise and to be conducted on the child. the all fits critics because of all a citizen respect them would explain that it was not about evil deeds, but that it was our human nature that required purification because we are marked by original sending the musky they'll say not to follow the fish shelby. he said, just about i baptize you in the name of the father is the sheets and the son.

it is the end of the holy spirit, a man a. 2 pipe is essentially to touch with you trying to find leaking, we printed so like, let's just completely looks like there are a lot of move, some of the general public that i've always described to it. but then i don't see why we shouldn't talk about it. 2 for that as well as the bit. so you see, and i usually meet with people here in the rectory here. it's a religious building with statues and religious symbols have done this at this point. as we already get an idea of a person's level of investigation or vexatious angel does accessory on left a. so a person who is severely scrooge. we infected can't even walk through the rectory store sea level direct to the easy in store. here i have a container with the eucharist inside to to look if someone in your team was possessed, they would have already left this room is because it triggers

a very strong reaction. during the actual pitfall, you have the host in your pocket. so, you know, if you go to he or she, you know, controls but exactly. then another thing that i examine i examine the person who feels possessed, sprinkled them with water, that hasn't been blessed. do not buy it. they've been, it should not be so lucky. i just think the person reacts very strongly sick when that indicates that it cycle sematic the so much. so a lot, some of them a tough and i can say that's a good chance. it's not a reaction from the devil because the water wasn't less. the extra 100. yep, that's consistent guessing. just if you break your leg, you know why and how it can be healed. but if you have a spiritual problem and you're completely helpless, confidentiality means is, could you introduce yourself as an exhaustive? no, no, i don't talk about it. many of my parishioners don't know,

just finished research. we have to, we have all age groups, slightly more women than men warranty. but sometimes parents bring their children full, sometimes teenagers, usually they come because they're grappling with a deep malays. performed by that they feel things inside them that they can't explain was condensed bike speaking the. ready default seasonal culture. sometimes they've already seen a psychiatrist that push and either they feel the diagnosis didn't resonate swipe or that the psychiatrist didn't understand what they were experiencing. so cute savannah they've often visited. fortune tellers or card readers did use the cop to school. and at some point someone has said,

what you have is terrible. i can't do anything for you. you have to go to an exorcist and then they just assumed the village. sharman, that's me mind you will solve the problem immediately with a prayer image, but that's not how it works. successful the, the subject fun. yeah. well felt. i remember the very 1st time i'd heard you could pray for people who would practice spiritualism. a person came to confession and said, well, i've been practicing spiritualism for a long time. use my civil, i feel bad. i don't know what's going on as the spouse. and i said, listen, it's all right. see, i'll give you absolution. and then i'll pray for you. yeah. for it. and as i started to pray, she started screaming. you're hurting me 1st month is and i realize something unexpected was happening. get it, get it. but crazy g. i was amazed that

a prayer could do something like that. so ancient things i had never seen before. i mean, just a, just like a person rolling on the floor, this person reacting because i was wearing the store additional things like that. it's incredible. like it really works. that's not an option, franco, but just how much. what i do this book is about the rituals of exorcism and prayers of supplication. i don't guess. it's not something you can just find in any corner bookstore. i put me in the 80. what can i read about these rituals? i don't know if you could read it, but there aren't many copies and circulation could. these could, they'll study through suits, usually handed out personally from the day also some the bishop to the priest in charge of the exorcism of that, the pointing. so it's a condo now just to, it's like giving us ground, pulled to someone who knows nothing about medicine, nor surgery g. a better just to we put all dangerous if it falls into the wrong hands, only to one. so it is the exorcism. take place is less constant lock,

can you describe it because well, not dr. kids must be to a look. i like this on elizabeth taylor the ritual to the person and their individual needs and stub ssl team all. during the 1st stage, the dominant feeling as hostilities, and i think like there's something that wants to tear us down on the bus. so this is the next station or procession stage up to me, pretty full. when someone reaches the stage of infestation, there are stronger symptoms. what the person finds objects had been moved around at home. okay, shame what these we experience bad smells, waking up at night in terror for sensing a presence assault team on to please. unfortunately, for these people, this is often only seen or felt by them. it is this investigation, is the only don't that fixed us through studies team see, don't come up with the issue. the last page, dispossession law, this is extremely rare. a person slips away from themselves. often it's not the

person himself who reports it, but people around them who say, listen, i don't know what's going on. suddenly they've gone into a kind of frenzy. i don't recognize them anymore. they don't see this page. the 1st one is no longer themselves, certainly pretty frequently a pixel. i'm a model and then they pretty much the lots of equity flow. and what's also quite common in possession is limitation. call those i've got the position, you see the body contort and the person speak the language. they don't no longer via email. that's very disturbing kids with and more evil ones to silence use it gets controls. keep this, keep in mind that will fit the, the scene all this with you. oh not, isn't we? yes, exam proceed. good control is also a phenomenon that looks like normal vomiting at 1st of the book and last 10 to 15 minutes up. so do you want, but most people, it doesn't seem to stop at all or so not a thought measure. i think it really is the demon little demo to this see o'clock. that's because it's hard to believe or even imagine,

what did you say to skeptics or the to read it so that i can only report what i've seen with my own eyes at the risk of being called crazy not, but i don't care about that. so magenta got it looks as though you really believe that definitely exist avenue suite. yes. without a doubt is your point. i think the church needs to be clear about is clear, i think so. the catholic church has always recognized the existence of sation, but it's long been wary of focusing too much attention on this change with integration of pope francis and his speeches, the pope proclaimed that the devil really does exist, thereby legitimizing the practice of exorcism. but in switzerland, certain church representatives oppose this fee based approach. in 2022, the bishop of church announced that he would illuminate dx,

assist post in his diocese, sparky debate, bidding decided minus 4, think the hutton, i mean during the time of my previous i. so we have, next, this is, i'm on the senior christoph cassette. he's got an influx of people came to him from out diocese from other diocese on that and also from a brewer show at ocean house. then she led to inc, looks like say that created demand and then on to but you don't see a need for this extra fee escaped. i could do for nice, but for you to mention there is a need because many people is suffering, feeling tormented, hurt, and exhausted, even more team. but you have to build a team of experts who can deal with these requests. i'm stuck in the data might include all task, but all these requires cooperation and exchange between different textbooks. and each blush, what i mean, not just priests also,

psychologists and psychotherapists. the people trained to recognize what situation the particular person is in the structure to have to and i knew which didn't get that phone so you should be faint to come and get prices early because it gets on the exhaust. i read in a press release that issues of exorcism can be dealt with by medication and psychiatrist. so with that, i'm sorry, but that's not. that would mean that there are no extraordinary demonic acts, if it can be treated medically, success thing, problem. it's mr. tools to black is to do to get princeton, but what really saddens me is to hear there isn't a priest there who can help people in need for these items. are they packaged in washington dc, showing these for me it's a stepping back on the part of a church basket. think it's a great shame, like people speaking as a former soldier, i believe in facility. my duty at all costs is cool and this duty includes

deliberating souls and casting out satan when he's there either chelsea set set it up. if the church steps back from this duty, others will step in bold. walkability. the exorcist of the catholic church these days are careful to credential. it's very dangerous. i understand them. i'm sure they have the bishop's mandate and i missed you, but that doesn't mean they have a gift for this work. you know, they're wary of the devil each of the new p a long was a day and as a priest in the galaxy church, a branch of the catholic church not recognized by rome. we made the feel and ex assist in a small village in the gaze department in the south of france. and we are the only ones waiting for him is a high is, is activity outside his phone, the. this demon hunters reputation

goes back to the seventy's. the 2 assigned to but i will proceed. i feel a little depressed and tired and i still feel blockage is gabriel kindly, special or something simple. your inner self deals that you know so exactly it's the spirit is that that's normal. it can take them any money. they don't worry. it's because you're still possessed. normally catholic priests don't allow existence to be film very long, isn't camera shy? very soon. says pre is what you said your angle simulations. and you also tell me who, you know, they will test the well because up here with the village of what contributing potential and you can do is will save us and we need to know any bullets and will talk to somebody about the, you know, say we want to get it up on the table is going to give you the dentist is working in watson, vall, north or south. another cool because to be your senior, we do send you an exact same way. you can say you also have somebody who he only want this piece and you all to resolve that with you to be off. could you do to,

to do sort of a met with nickel money while you to don't when the gift of healing was revealed to me in the a force arose in me an inner forest stronger than myself. in the shop i see all the people who come to me have often tried everything. i need nothing works for them and they don't understand why he complained about or because assistance arriving here, i felt and wells, a lot of it got switched to the function that something inside you're still possessed. you can see when nothing else works, that's often what's behind it. it's not always you have to check for somebody's in one somebody. you don't know why it happens to both. i see myself doing it, but i can't stop it. as clinical. assume you've had treatments. we usually say, well, it's jobs sources. yes. i've been to psychiatrists and psychologists. i'm

a nice who assistant myself and he's a see come on. what else? so i'm familiar with conventional medicine because most of the symptoms correspond to what doctors called depression. the son of the preschool in new york. yeah. point. and it says this isn't the exact same demonic position or not. during the 45 minute session, we witnessed real agony. the sort of person can pounds on you. you can't be alone with it. it can kill you treat a country. does evil tool dialed me sometimes until i once to ask what his name was and why he was in this body. i said the body wasn't his and to return it to god. what did he say?

even here, knowing me, stop it, you can't hurt me. i think so to speak of 3 of you about our santa claus. and we said you took a look at the 3 quarters of the people who come to me now have practiced spiritualism in you know, exhausting you 1st. and they wanted to know something or talk to their grandfather, grandmother, uncle. i'm the type of young people to be where this is dangerous either the demon will speak exactly like your loved one. you'll pretend to be that most. but it's the demon vocal devoted to go back to michigan, i thought with lucifer and even said you had a rough voice and i have a decent that it makes you to me. it was terrible deleted. yeah, there's usually,

while i told these people, the ones that to discuss it come and how do you know the demons of cool j a new 51. if the person has eliminated him, the person has to eliminate him from the front door back from the loan, but i, you know, i need to sit down come on both of these sessions, lock me. do you remember me? just go to this, i'm aware of everything over here. so screaming. yes, that's a good, that's really to stop. these are some of the people. did you have a think you do feel present? pursue the no, no, but i feel like i'm in a negative, vicious co really that. yeah, you're getting the getting the time to meet that says yeah,

he's also about teaching the you and then there's another pot to you, but it's good that i could come tonight. it does you good is there, can you go home? yes, i don't. how many exorcisms to be done in the last 40 years? i don't know, probably thousands condom shawna. how much does it cost? 45 year old will be exactly the same as 40 years ago. don't forget that we use it all the sessions as a violent so you're going to be to yes, terrible one person spat out a snake. you jump on. this is make sense. yes. that long. what do you need? the 2nd one is basically what is it based on yours? but i've seen people speaking spanish who didn't know it or arabic. german. you can't understand them. you know? no, that's one person who was possessed for 4 or 5 years was levitating,

be for people trying to hold her down. she levitated with a new sort of a notification that levitation time. yes. 50 centimeters. unbelievable. cause even though she stayed there for a while and then fell back again out of me, it's gonna say strongly said, you know, to set you up with some view as well. i just think you're completely crazy or charlotte and so is it a charlotte? don't this of course, talking about when you're not the one with the problem. it's easy to call someone to charlotte them. let me just see that. but when that changes and medicine can help, you know, and neither can anyone else just then you might be glad to meet the person like me . a person like do don't be the, you know, speaking i'm no language. it's knowing unknowable information. having super human pallets these role criteria is that the vatican has recognized as signs of possession. but is there

a rational explanation in search of answers from the medical profession? as a scientist, towards the extent to see these assigned systems physician, i'll leave that diagnosis to the next assists in the vatican facility. so these are extreme situations that we psychiatry has done see in hospitals to student onyx. let me just ask you, do you want exam police limitation? we'd say it does, a possessed person rises above the bed, more. anyone would be frightened to see this. so there is a symptom in severe psychiatric cases, usually the way people get terrible muscle contractions. and they form an odd show me on the face, the sheets over them, so it might look like they're floating with the shock solver. and that's,

but because these precepts told you they sold the devil, it was gab i live my most. he should have to deal with the man. will i do to every day? is a doctor working with a diction? don't you have 20 year olds with a heroine syringe in their arms telling you life sucks. i mean, if that isn't the devilish it by their job, despite his scientific background check, the soul advocates for the use of x. this isn't within an appropriate framework. psychiatrist has collaboration with priests and the practice of spiritual liberation. most could see what was that exhaust system. i don't see it. i think we need to move beyond these outdated hollywood exorcisms. you can't scare people these days with a smiling devil with cones. so i think it would be a good idea to develop a contemporary approach to exercise. and if you have to accept that evil exists, it's going to get something that concerns people's uptake or demand they're left

with on met, spiritual needs in a disenchanted will just be the plague by x, a central emptiness. so some wound is also to the way it would be to just offset the feeling an existential void satisfying, spiritual needs. that's exactly what the evangelical church claims to our phone. we were in the gospel center on a place of worship, in the heart of the industrial district of rome. the theater in french speaking, switzerland these believers, life is a constant battle between good and evil. demons are everywhere and the cost is joy to drive them away. the sound of the gospel center is van, and

a man kind of magic seek is presented by the congregations that his powers of deliverance doing is that go to the distributor's gifts don't. and i believe i've received a many spiritual gifts, but we're not superhuman. you folks can tell me it's, i think the term exorcism often scares people is required, but i think deliverance is usually a more appropriate term that's less frightening. down get present p a k more, i don't have to tie people up about that. i've never had to hold anyone down so they don't hit me and keep that. the tip is listed on the list of people pay you to deliver it this sunday. no, no, so do god bless you, i don't try to earn a living if i'm praying for others in the fact that others make money for him, it doesn't bother me, but except let's get his own keeps angelica. yeah. so i know just didn't know what

to do on this team a busy day and you know, yeah, i was just gonna have a dosing is different. so i don't know the vice of a difficult to confuse when someone has something in their life that prevents them from living a good normal life. all people have suffered grievances, things that have hurt them this way. when people wallow in hatred, absolute non forgiveness, and the profound anger. they open themselves up to evil spirits, but torment them emilia. don't update the case and you get to choose the other. choose x click, let me explain how the enemy works. so say that i'd say the most common entry points is rejection. does it show that sounds like money was on a vacation with my wife? i met a woman who became agitated when she saw me. the spirit through the woman to the ground and began to beat separately. she said, this is my home and i am not leaving them. i'll kill her. and you'll have a dead woman on your conscience. i spoke to the spirit. i don't normally come in. if you said he was there, because the woman's mother had cursed her,

my wife grabbed her wrist and said in the name of jesus, i am tell you a man. that's why she then told us her mother wanted to avoid her devil, but it was complicated. and in her desperation, her mother said the child belonged to the devil. pray helped us in your yes, i wonder if this widespread, i told her to say it is lord jesus. i released myself from this curse and the spirit said home or do i want to go? yeah. do you pray for him? and he went to the people that is the best thing, the deliverance of what it gives you a kind of power, the most of the stuff i don't believe. so i believe that power and ever really resides in us. since we have an authority that's given to us by god, since it's given to all who are believers. uh this yes. but you shouldn't ever feel

the need to say yes i can deliver. you have the power or anything. but it helps make you count as massey, but yes, of course the the other day goals, we talk about deliverance. but the paradox, the glee during the deliverance process, people seem to get more tied off in the evangelical will view and deem and a logical symbolism. then they will have the full set to close as well, the stakes, some of the, the sick a. what's the point of this about these relationship is the a symmetry to sort of, it's always the pasta oldest spiritual leader. who knows what's good for the person on the receiving end table for that purpose, any systematically placed in an asymmetric relationship with there in syria of n. us about the pasta uses their words to describe the person's disturbances at

home and to experience deliverance. they must agree to enter into the positive symbolic weld. it's an extremely high price to pay them to feel liberated, should they have to internalize a world view in which demons are everywhere? can they didn't know some of the, but she's talking, i'm system cooling. i'm married with 2 children, i'm 50 and i leave the evangelical alliance in french speaking, switzerland, emotionally, through so i'll just say in but until 1010 acres or i've been practicing deliverance for 30 years and i've seen that it works for i don't see the devil or angels, or what did i say? demons and evil spirits. those and the deliverance you might see here or smell of them is salty, hosea so there are some spirits that have a very specific smell,

but he's on the roots of control. really geometry dominance and witchcraft, smell like ammonia slippers based on my experience or walk of cable. did you say on the most ideal or for the long side his role is lead to look into that as a bishop, christy, and coon is also an expert on the team. and he even organized his 1st courses in deep knology for prospective cost is in french speaking, switzerland because if you're a pretty tough guy and it's because of the, are you afraid of dealing with pleasure to dinner? no, no, no, no, no, no. the authority of jesus christ is all encompassing, which is actually set it down. it says that the spirits are cornered easily. so sometimes they try to trick you or disguise themselves, sort of an older stick with some spear. it's also claimed to be satan, which is laughable because satan doesn't incarnate in people's lives. and holes, angels have a heavenly bodies, but demons don't get on their spirits. and in the same matter of fact, tone, christiane, explains how demons interest itself and outgoing fault tr boss could exist one

minute put a dispute. i think there are basically 3 ways in which to be are it's can get into our lives, go into our body. so if i want is through repeated sending shop and you don't invite a lying spirit by lying ones. but if you persist, then you eventually get and a tangle of the gate opens. yeah. then there are dramatic circumstances. for example, if you have an accident, you are very vulnerable physically but also spiritually. but the, this can happen in operating rooms under anesthesia. you see the final sentence on there are certain circumstances like these in which spirits are given the right to enter these s p. so most of the, the lamp will concept come up less if you have to pause the 3rd way is to read it to you. if he does, the sins of your ancestors can affect you approve of her. not so much i did with the bible says the open gate can be passed down 3 to 4 generations or 10 generations. in the case of brewster, children's music, there's a now soldier now. so this, what do you mean by that to children who are for picture children conceived out of

wedlock or something like they're a special case for new simple side. we usually talk about curse is passing onto the next to 3 or 4 generations. one of this to what's the piece from the disturbing world view is also hills because the direct to the evangelical lines in french speaking, switzerland and shit by many believe it was a man. it doesn't stop that the gateway is sexuality behavior. who's shooting men? do you see homosexuality is a comfortable gateway clip? was mostly that made up as a cable or haven't had the opportunity to pray for that particular problem upstairs . it's a life choice. each of them is it, as long as people live regular secular lives without engaging spiritually with god

. so it can work magic too. but when they come to god, they may see there are things in their lives that need to be sorted out. just as the body gets an obstacle, an obstacle. yes. then what's extra to to say best to don't fit to it is the fishy homosexuality. according to their interpretation of the bible is one of the scenes, but it strengthens the demon. since you find the selected by demons, it's my fault. and these, despite the attempts of deliverance, the demon cannot accost out. it's because i failed to fully confess to something offices. so it's a system that extremely deals oriented external experiences that the adrienne steve full code, the burden of built around for years. people's for team, what do you move to switzerland with his parents coming from an evangelical family, to join the church, community,

and hope to find spiritual fulfillment that with audrey and soon realized he was attracted to boy d mosley. possibly any easier, not to the moment i told the church about it. they said it was not god's plan for me and that it was possible to be sealed from it's giving you the very best stuff to my company. yes. more in that to the pastor of the church that there was a spirit associated with homosexuality. it had attached itself to me through a pop it from burma that was in my parents house in gene value in that. and if you don't mind, sufficient about the products that, that by next page read, it was set on fire in the garden with petrol hills. best customer, he always said playoffs to sell newspapers because at that time it was believe that if an object was possessed by a spirit, the only way to drive it away was to burn it different. i'm on the project. over

the years audrey and experienced mounting pressure from his church in geneva, he decided to take part in intensive week long conversion therapy program in new york was led by a pasta code holly walters at the pg. during the therapy. i wrote down what happened every day and all those years i kept a diary as well and that's and actually also done with the move at the charlotte commands, the demon that's bound to pain. it was loveless, nose and silence to leave. and during the throne of god, the demons begin to laugh and laugh. so making fun of the little boy suffering in the desert. feel stupid because even worse, if i had physical symptoms during the therapy, would you like to show the it was like i could feel spirits coming out of me despite the progress of children. what that's what was it like?

i touch my neck and it's been leviathan the long neck of a reptile. physic i. i feel its sticky scales. just tell me the leviathan has a dragon loose. that's a kind of long snake with legs. he lives in deep waters inside me. the leviathan doesn't want to leave the can fill my throat constricting something. i'm being strangled by the leviathan who was tormenting me. don't juggling some ship. oscar just thought i'd been liberated. when i left, i thought i could be with god wanted me to be better. a sexual or 6 and i could fit into his plans and also the case what happens next? send if you've all seen a deal. uh, cuz cuz this deliverance less than to your wonderful human nature takes over again . you know, vanity or penetrating. you start to live according to your desires, again, what is your dreams and the things that make up the richness of your humanity. i'd say that it's just a diverse community. a little more of the committee at that moment you feel,

and the norm is guilt. that's going to destroy you even more of twos. is your thoughts to think i was manipulated and that it was in fact spiritual abuse is going to try to tell you what's the absolute truth and there's no other way in the bottom portion of or this doesn't totally happening. evangelical circles, clergy from other religious groups, also engage in frequent and excessive deliverance, and ex assistant practices. in the south of france, we may so will include lucy. the 50 year old is originally from metal gasket. she was adopted by a family, it was close ties to the society of saint plants. the 10th, a fundamentally catholic community founded in switzerland, in 1917. the group has been controversial,

have done the same society. the father has the dominant pro. he's that to come on and make sure the whole family stays on the right path of religion. duty sees the patriarch on the bus. yes. lucy met her husband through the society. she married to him with a teen, became pregnant to 20 and had 5 children. kind of lose things with him. so that's not very bad too. there was a lot of violence. cindy could slaps kicks punches to show the credits. i sought help from the priests and my parish. one priest in particular, even though he blamed me mid street, told me i'm too dominant towards my husband, that i should be submissive with me to you to, to, to make you sad for my outbursts of anger. what triggered by a demon, appealing to my past. because of it that i was adopted by a muslim tribe,

and the crisis had to be removed from me for that. so you must thoughts, just save us to do 3 views. and when you see the queen, diesel, she's had about 20 extra systems. and 6 years of success, they take place in the prior in the priests office, you'll see an access isn't last up to 15 minutes. so you're on your knees. you have to confess your sins before have to wait for the priest to say his prize and press on your chest because of the demons come out to do goodness. getting catholic. i really accepted the priest's advice because i wanted to save my family and my marriage is just wait for me for pretty much. despite her efforts the beach and was continues to see, finally asked her husband to leave the marital home the societies and attempted one last ex decision to change her mind. so to me now,

so i've got visual that night there was a knock at the door. i opened it and the priest came in and told me into the seller . she wanted to cost out the demon and me by trying to get me to say i was wrong, delta g. i was afraid to do something bad to me. i told myself he wouldn't attack me in my own home, and he didn't have the right to take. my children's name is often enough attorney to think too close about the definitely the society of st highest. the goal is not to go to health. please also exorcism is common among the priests to just see thought he put it. who are you still in the society today? nations? did you talk to leslie? no, not anymore. your list. i'm still believe but i'm not practicing. i'm very glad i laugh as you just sweetener forms on it, was of lucy is not an ice slice case of the testimonies engine,

internal documents, copywriting. the practice of exorcism within the society suggest is performed regularly. we contacted the society in switzerland but received no response. the bishop of children, which is extreme caution when it comes to exorcisms, is love with this to say that altitude, she stayed in vc insistence on exorcisms, is not good pastoral can. the primary task that christ entrusted to us was not to find tables for to proclaim salvation and goodness on that. and that's kind of the school day. so for the couldn't disappear. i know the feel of the devil drive people towards god 9, but that's been, these are some of the, the, the, to the see know because driving people would main forcing people to do something and then on free us and that has no value to god. the greatest gift god has

given to us is now freedom. we can only love if we are free. be pretty annoying, fry, hide, leaving the disney to separate at all times with my former evangelical community. so i'm just trying to move out cool. about 10 years ago, i reached a point where i felt like a bill was being lifted. i don't be easier to use it cuz i realize that maybe everything i believe had actually been drilled into me and was not from god has. and if i didn't you? yes, in the low. yes. s. and this made it possible for me to reconcile my identity and my spirituality. the must be the tragic here. let me say

don't they did use the shop, the antenna, l g b t i geneva group in the protestant church here, the cost of your personal experiences to mid we choose yes. okay, perfect. so ready to offer others that space of self discovery and reconciliation that i had been missing a delinquency. i spoke to 2 men. ok only, but up we were here neither to judge nor to impose our views on other people. such symbols as a class, obviously to just show us pass good enough. why the of us to believe in things we can't see mrs. i think my faith is still alive and real put this fellow to the home . but of course, it's very different from my former face of moment because there be ideal was lined, face is drawing for intelligence and freedom of thought and interpretation. more stifled results that need us to do policy the critical to just the most. cuz most piece of t, how did i manage it, perhaps by the grace of god?

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