as i say, is this time any foreign minister, joseph, the islands, living on the conflict on dw. what secrets? why, behind being discovered new adventures and 360 degrees and explore fascinating world heritage sites. d w world heritage 360 kept now america. the secretary of state, hampton, a lincoln, was finally engaging in a long delayed effort to hold the slide in us china relations. the main speaking point is still taiwan with a chinese determined to be unified and wanting to west to stay out of the cool interest. my guess inside pay is the tie when he's 5 minutes that joseph works. is they island living on borrowed time?

we know that we have the ability to deal with the chinese invasion as china has stepped up in spell, it goes rhetoric and it's on forces of make the secret of the invasion plans by land see that. so how much help so, so i want to expect from washington and from europe hasn't been promised to nuclear umbrella for lessons is government drawing from the will in you, chris has 51 very done, only good to avoid of conflict. but it's john. john, good. who welcome to complex of thank you. thank you very much, dan. just 2 months ago, the chinese military completed 3 days of coming back exercises of taiwan. and they told the world as forces were not ready to fight resolutely to smash any form of taiwan independence. are you living on borrowed time? yes, we are leaving under the chinese community to rate it all tied up for

a couple of years. and the exercise that you mentioned has been quite intense. uh, actually, and with the old setting, the chinese military exercises all these years. and the one in april this year was probably pretty intense in comparison to other exercises, especially that involved a, uh, aircraft carrier to the east of taiwan. and we had being that the was the issue, not just that i want to sell, but with other like body pop in this. is there any scenario that you can envisage in which taiwan with 23000000 people? when's a war with a country of one point? 4000000000 of the same question as being asking to tie one for quite a few years. uh, actually were trying to prepare ourselves for the possible conflict. uh, for example, we need to strengthen our traditional military capabilities and we also need to

strengthen our symmetric capabilities ending fighting a modern war. and symmetric welfare is probably more important than the traditional for example, in the world in ukraine. many people predicted that the russians would be able to take over the ukraine within a couple of weeks, but it didn't happen like that. uh, the premiums were being able to find all holding the russian mini, terry f a. and i think their determination, their preparedness for the metric welfare or the international support i'm making difference in that is that lessons that we have learned. and we are trying to strengthen our depends capabilities. and the people determination for self depends, is stronger than before. and time one is also receiving more international support than before and therefore we know. busy now that we have the ability to deal with the chinese invasion, you do think realistically, that's your military preparations or any kind of deterrent to china. you said

chinese leaders will think twice before they decide to use force against taiwan and the mazda, whether it's 2025 or 2027. as you're already looking at possible dates for an invasion, taiwan simply needs to get ready. why isn't taiwan ready now? you have plenty of warning, the china is the time and peacefully or force of late to re unite you with the people's republic as they put it. why? why onto ready? now, if you look at a modern war, we don't just look at the side of the aggressor, their military capabilities and the equipment they f. if you only look at the other side, you might feel that china has the overall mean power over tie one. in taiwan, it stands no chance. but if you have a chance to look at, ty wants defense capabilities. i don't think that the war can happening in that

easy way for try not to take tie one over easy. we have, but lots of events, missiles in our minute. terry is also determined to defend ourselves. and i think the people also determined to preserve the freedom, it sovereignty that we have in there for putting all these factors together. you won't be easy. we're trying to launch a war against tie one and pick, tie one over very quickly. and other than tie was preparedness, other major countries, they also deployed their military forces or pasturing to turn the chinese from launching a war against ty, one, if you look at the us military pauses a nearby. and also the fact that japan has been bullying is military budget for the next 5 years and to prepare for possible come to majors against the chinese aggression in this part of the world. i think the chinese would have to worry if they start the war against high one. it's, it's, it's one thing for both sides to stage military exercises. but if the worst happens,

and war breaks out, do you believe any of a country will fight alongside you? this is a hypothetical question and we always say the law instead of the brakes. uh no hypothetical. yes. uh if war breaks out of the one who bears the responsibility for ty wants defense will be tie one itself and we are determined to defend ourselves. there's no doubt about it, but for all the countries, i think the most important thing is for them to show their determination to deter the war problem happening. i think the war is going to mean disaster for a lot of countries, economically. half of the container ships of the world is saving through the power, straight area, and 90 percent of the most advanced computer chips or send me come about the chips are produced in taiwan. and therefore it, there's going to be

a destruction to the supply chain. it will be a major impact, uphold the rest of the world economically. and i think many of the international leaders understand now, india tried to deter from detroit war from happening. and with this kinds of effort, i think the war is not an affordable, and it's not a minute at this moment. this wasn't quite the question that i asked you on basically looking to see whether you have any cost on assurances that any of a country will fight with you in the event of a chinese invasion. yes, that is the only oh yes on that is a very good question. actually i, we are trying to tell the world that the defending tie one is all on one responsibilities. so the answer is no. you do not have any cost on insurances, but any one will fight with you. that is not the way where you look at it. there might be countries, there might be people who want to provide taiwan would support the support like i

do. and i'd say it's has been providing to you great, give us the immunizations was to fight the integration. but the fighting yourself in taiwan is all, are we supposed little t, v us has been very clear about what it might or might not do to help you. which may be of course, down to a strategic ambiguity. but it could also mean that they haven't yet decided what they're going to do if you are attacked, which do you think it is. in fact, taiwan and the united states have been not engaging in very close consultation and communication with each other. to think about the future scenarios, it the same time to prepare tie was the best way off how one can get prepared. for example, the kinds of weapons tie one would need and the strategy taiwan would need the kinds of trainings kind what would need and united states as being providing these kinds of resources or training and preparation of what type one. and these kinds of

efforts are being highly appreciated. and the us decision of whether you will get involved in the war or not. it's the call of the president of the united states. but for tie one, it's our responsibility to defend taiwan. are you telling me you simply don't have any idea of what the us would do in the event of an invasion of taiwan? well, as i say, you know, we engage in very close communications with you and i these days. and the question is not up to me for the answer a and i hope that the time one in the united states will continue to engage closely with each other. in the preparation process. mr. well, on monday, the 22nd according to type a news, you confirm that being discussions with the us about whether time one would be included under the us nuclear umbrella, like some other countries in the region. what was the outcome of those talks that we engage in the all kinds of conversations with united states and for any content

of that nature. i'm not able. ready to give any details off of the discussions problems then on this topic of whether the us would include you in the nuclear umbrella. well, thank you very much for the racing. that question for the 2nd time, but uh for any of the re, uh, any of the content of the discussions of that nature. i would not be able to come from it. ready point, and you con, confirm even that these discussions did take place. i should not be comfortable in the that that there's all kinds of cooperation going on communication going on in between time when the major countries and in order for these cooperation is to stay in good place. i should not disclose any of the conversations. mister will. how do you understand president biden's woods in september last year, he was asked if he was waiting to get involved militarily to defend taiwan. and he

replied, yes, that's the commitment we made. do you interpret that as providing you with defensive weapons under the taiwan relations act, or engaging in direct military confrontation with china? well, our understanding is that the commitment is based on the power relations that the united states as being reaffirming is commitment to type one security by providing taiwan with sufficient amount of defensive articles. what kind of one's self depends. and if you look at the title and relations that it also has to be linked stipulates that the united states would need to maintain sufficient capacity to repel any restore to the military trip or course and in this region. so united states commitment to tie one all to the region has being a rather obvious and the us officials come in on that is a rock sided, a according to the us all peoples. and we don't dial that. united states has been

providing power with weapons. and in addition to the providing all the weapons, they also where you can gauge in service and the training of how to use the weapons . and because of these activities, i was the past relations with united states helping us significantly improving in the last few years. as you know, us secretary of state times and they bring time, has just me leaving with chinese leaders from minnesota. can gang warm to america not to challenge paging over the stages of taiwan. the taiwan issue, he said, is the core of china's coal interests. the biggest in china, us relations and the most prominent risk. what do you take away from the that i take away from that is said, the chinese thread against taiwan is clear and it's obvious. and it is something philosophy takes seriously. but at the same time, also i understand it a secretary blink and also stated very clearly that the united states oppose any

u. d. that will change of state as cool. that means the will that these days, opposing any use of force by the chinese side gives tie one. and in fact, this is not the only country, not the only one leader that is being saying that in the g 7 summit or in the e. u. us summit or in other uh, some important some is the leaders always reaffirm the importance of use instability in the taiwan strait. and they also oppose any human data with change of status quote in this part of the world and somebody even the post the use of force. and lately, there's also a new language coming out of europe, saying that the piece instability of the power straight is an integral part of the global security and prosperity. and with all of this, i'm sure the international caution against the chinese use support or teen to an ex tie one is sufficient and we hope the international community can continue to pay

attention to that you, chinese motivation, they'll be using force against taiwan. so he's very strong words from the international community. strong was from the west or enough to to, to china. there were plenty of strong words directed reading that put in before he invited ukraine on the wall. it was, i had any way. so it was a strong was maybe a slight to develop to diplomacy, a slightly exaggerated in diplomacy these days that is available. cool. very good question. in fact, other than strong wars, we have also seen countries taking concrete actions in the showing that they have the result of the pieces to build the over this region of united states to pain u. k, canada, and etc. they have all be engaging in the very periodic uh, freedom of mitigation operations in these area. and many of those the service ships sell through the pipe was straight. and these kinds of actions are just the

extremes impacting up their strong wars. and i believe that all those countries that i mentioned have a stake in the piece disability over the power straight area. and they are taking concrete actions to pack up their records. do you not worry that by seeking washington's help, your not caught up in the rock bottom relationship between the us and china and the badging maybe about 2 right to the pressure on you some k to send a signal to washington. i guess the question is on you endanger, becoming a pawn to be played by both sides. that is also a question. ask frequently in taiwan. in fact, some people here in taiwan argue that the work comfortably is between the united states and china. and therefore, taiwan should thoughts the bullets from these 2 giants and we use a neutral. but i think the real situation doesn't happen that way. the real situation is that high one.