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a senator: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from washington. ms. cantwell: mr. president, i rise to urge my colleagues to pass this important legislation, and i want to thank senator -- leader schumer for his tremendous leadership on this entire package. it is amazing his dedication and support to getting this done really, really held steadfast. owl caucus, as -- our caucus, as the just described, and so many of our colleagues on both sides of the aisle. i also with a with to thank senator murray for her continued leadership on appropriations bills. this supplemental will supply ukraine with desperately needed equipment and weapons and training and logistics. for two years the ukrainian people have shown courage and resilience enabling them to resist russian aggression. and as just described by our leader, it would be disastrous for our national security and
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democracy and human rights if we had not supported them. this bill also continues to support american taxpayers by authorizing the president to use an estimated $5 billion in frozen russian assets. these assets will help pay for ukraine's reconstruction, and it designates the u.s. economic assistance which ukrainians will have to pay back once they have repelled the russian situation. the supplemental also includes support for our middle east ally israel, including support to make sure that just like this past few days in shooting down 99% of missile drones attack by iran, it also includes $9 billion of humanitarian aid for gaza and for people caught in conflicts around the world. these conflicts have taken an immeasurable toll. the supplemental also contains a
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range of sanctions that will make it harder for each of israel's and iran's and ham -- and hamas to finance their operations. it consequencetains the ship act which requires the president to impose sanctions against individuals and companies that knowingly help evade oil sanctions. illegal revenues funnel billions to illegal organizations terrorist groups and it builds on legislation senator murkowski and i enacted over a decade ago that helped expose the middle men that were helping iran evade these sanctions. it also involves billions of dollars for a critical part of the world where we stand shoulder to shoulder with these democracies. it also contains legislation to fend off fentanyl act which i was proud to be a cosponsor. critically important legislation
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that does a couple of things. one, it declares that fentanyl is a national emergency. this enables the president to impose sanctions on fentanyl traffickers, enabling the u.s. treasury to better fight fentanyl-related money laundering. those fentanyl traffickers and money launderings have ties to organized crime and to drug cartels. so these issues have been clearly outline in my state by communities, health providers, law enforcement, and others who want help in stopping the traffickers. part of the solution is stemming the flow of fentanyl. and this supplemental would how the proceeds of those seized assets by those narco traffickers to be used by law enforcement in our local communities to fight this fentanyl scourge. we must give our communities all the tools they can to stop this product from flooding across our borders, and this legislation
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will do just that. i also want to address that technology should be a tool to help solve our greatest challenges, to improve our human conditions, and drive innovation and support economic opportunity. but foreign adversaries use technology for social and political control. there is no individual right to privacy or freedom of speech in these autoocracies. u.s. media companies are not allowed to operate in china. in fact, china leads the world in using surveillance and censorship to keep taps on its own population and to repress dissidence. governments that respect freedom of speech do not build backdoors into hardware or software, into apps on phones or on laptops. backdoors allow foreign advocates to target people.
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backdoors allow foreign adversaries to use proxy bots to bombard vulnerable populations, americans, with harmful content or even to blackmail people. the u.s. department of justice has stated, quote, hostile foreign powers are weaponizing b bulk data and the power of artificial intelligence to target americans, end quote. i do not want technology in the united states used this way. i want the united states to work with our most sophisticated technology countries, likeminded democracies, places like japan, south korea can our europeanian allies and set the global standard for technology and data protection. i want to see a technology nato, one in wit our allies come together and say, there cannot be a government back door to any hardware or software if it wants
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to see a global adoption rate. we should have a trusted frame rate for cross-border data flows as has been discussed. and criteria for trusted data flows should include commitments to democratic governancern the rule of law, and the protection of property rights and free speech. i believe in trade, and i want trade. and i believe that business is for business. but business is not for business when foreign adversaries weaponize data, weaponcize technology, and weaponize into approaches that hurt americans. i want to yield to my colleague, the chairman of the senate intelligence committee, for his perspective on why this legislation before us is so important. mr. warner: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from virginia. mr. warner: mr. president, first of all, i want to agree with my
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friend, the chairman of the commerce committee, on the issues she has already outline, whether it be the need for aid for ukraine, support for israel, humanitarian aid for gaza, our necessary funding that's taking place for the indo-pacific and obligation legislation fending off fentanyl. i want to particularly commend her for her comments she's made on that's technology issues. over the last seven years, as vice chair and now chairman of the intelligence committee, i've spent an awful lot of time looking at what i think is one of the most significant intelligence failures of the last half-century, and that was the failure we had to anticipate and disrupt western efforts to meddle in our elections. since that time, we've seen a wide spectrum of foreign adversaries who've tried to copy the russian playbook. but don't just take it from me.
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a succession of now-declassified intelligence assessments have described the way in which foreign adversaries like iran, like the people's republic of china, and others are seeking to stoke social, racial, and political tensions in the united states. they are seeking to undermine confidence in our institutions and our election systems and even to sow violence amongst americans. the extent to which our adversaries have exploited american social media platforms is a matter of public record. the committee i chair has held many hearings, open hearings, on the failure of u.s. social media platforms to identify the exploitation of their products by foreign intelligence services. the senator, along with the senator from washington, i've been one of the leading critic of these platforms for their repeated failures to protect consumers. and while the exploitation of
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u.s. communication platforms by adversaries continues to be a serious issue, at the end of the day, our platforms are at least independent businesses. they do not have a vested interest in undermining our basic democratic system. the truth is, though, i can't say the same for tiktok, the fastest-growing social media platform in the united states whose parent company, bytedance, is based in the prc. even as u.s. social media platforms have fumbled in their response to foreign influence operations, there was never any concern that these platforms were operating at the direction of a foreign adversary. again, i cannot say the same for tiktok. i yield back to senator cantwell. ms. cantwell: i thank senator warner for his perspective as chairman of the intelligence
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committee and his hard work. and he and i introduced legislation years ago to deal with tissue. india tiktok users migrated to other platforms including google's youtube and i understandian small businesses foreign other ways to operate on other platforms. this smeltal contains the protecting americans from foreign adversary-controlled application act. congress has a nonpunitive policy proposal in passing this electricals. -- this legislation. congress is not acting to punish tiktok, bytedance or any other individual company. congress is acting to prevent foreign adversaries from conducting espionage, surveillance, maligned operations, harming vulnerable americans, our servicemen and women and our u.s. government personnel.
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mr. warner: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from virginia. mr. warner: i would like to expound a little bit on what senator cantwell has just said. because it has been made absolutely clear that a number of chinese laws require chinese companies and their subsidiaries to assist prc agencies and abide by the government directives. the truth is, these chinese companies at the end of the day, they don't owe their obligation to their customers or their shareholders, but they owe it to the prc government. in the context of social media platforms used by nearly half of americans, it's not hard to imagine how a platform that facilitates so much commerce, political discourse, and social debate could be covertly manipulated to serve the goals of an authoritarian regime, one with a long track record of
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censorship, transnational aggression and promotion of disinformation. in recent weeks, we've seen direct lobbying by the chinese government indicating perhaps more than anything we can say on the floor here how dearly xi jinping is invested in this product, a product, by the way, that's not even allowed to operate in the chinese domestic market itself. story after story over the last 18 months has exposed the extent to which tiktok has grossly misrepresented its data security and corporate government practice. countless stories have refuted the claims made by tiktok executives and lobbyists that it operates independently from its controlling company, bytedance. we've also seen documented examples of this company surveilling journal is and we've seen corresponding guidance from
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leading news organizations, not just here in america but across the world, advising their investigative journalists not to use tiktok. these public reports based on revelations of current and former employees also reveal that tiktok has allowed employees to covertly amplify content. unfortunately, those who suggest that the u.s. can address the data security and foreign influence risks of tiktok through traditional mitigation have not been following tiktok's long track record of deceit and lack of transparency. i yield back to senator cantwell. ms. cantwell: i thank senator warner for his comments because i find most disturbing that they used tiktok to repeatedly access u.s. user data and track multiple journalists covering the company. researchers have found that tiktok restricts the information that americans and others receive on a global basis.
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as of december 2023, an analysis by rutgers university found that tiktok posts mentioning topics that are sensitive to the chinese government including tiananmen square, uighurs, the dalai lama or significantly less prevalent on tiktok than instagram. foreign policy issues disfavored by china and russian governments also had fewer hashtags on particularing to, such as pro-ukraine or pro-israeli ttacker tags. here are some of those . the examples of tiananmen s square, which we know was an example of students standing up to the military. yet, tiananmen square, there are 8,000 more hashtags on instagram than tiktok. the uighur genocide protecting a muslim population, there are 1970 more posts about that on instagram than on tiktok.
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and my personal favorite, just because i had the privilege of meeting the dalai lama here in the capitol, 5,520 more times the dalai lama is mentioned on instagram on on tiktok. and pro-ukraine, 750 times more rash tags on instagram than on tiktok about ukraine and support for ukraine. i think that says it all in this debate today. are we going to continue to allow people to control the information that is an export-controlled algorithm based on a chinese source code? my colleagues and i are urging for this deweaponization by having an important activity of saying that this source code could be sewed. now, i know that the chinese had
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an export control on that, but congress believes that you have to have an adequate time to sufficiently address this issue posed by our foreign adversaries. that is why the legislation before us is to bytedance to sell a stake in tiktok, which is the source of the source code being held. we think a year is an ample time to allow potential investors to come forward, for due diligence to be completed, and for lawyers to draw up and finalize cont contracts. this is not a new concept, to require chinese divestment from u.s. companies. the committee on foreign investments in the united states requires chinese disvestment from hotel management platform stay in touch, health care app called patience like me, from the popular lgbtq dating app called grindr, and even there, americans had continuity of
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service on these platforms. so mr. president, i turn it back to my president -- back to my colleague, but we are giving people a choice here, to improve this platform and have the opportunity for americans to make sure they are not being maligned by our foreign adver adversaries. i ask my -- the president if i could enter into the record the house resolution originally on this legislation. the presiding officer: without objection. ms. cantwell: thank you. i turn it back to my colleague, senator warner, and thank him for his leadership. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. warner: thank you, mr. president. i commend the senator from washington for her leadership going through the disparate effects of tiktok versus other social media platforms. tiktok i think realized they had a problem over a year ago, so they tried to develop a response. it was something called project
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texas, to allegedly address concerns relating to tiktok's handling of american data. however, project texas would still allow tiktok's algorithm, source code, and development activities to remain in china. they would arrange so under bytedance control and subject to chinese government exploitation. project texas allows tiktok to continue to rely on engineers and back-end support from china, to update its algorithm and source code needed to run tiktok in the united states. how could they say there's not the possibility of interference. this again makes it vulnerable to chinese government exploitation. that's why project texas does not resolve the united states national security concern about bytedance's ownership of tiktok. now, let me acknowledge, i think senator cantwell and i worked or a more frankly comprehensive
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approach that, in a perfect would, we might have been debating today. but we work in the world of getting things right. so i stand firmly in support, as senator cantwell has, of taking action now to prevent the kind of intelligence failure we first saw back in 2016. again, chair of the commerce committee indicated this is not some draconian or novel approach. for decades, we've had systems in place to examine foreign ownership of u.s. industry. we've seen even more scrutiny in instances where foreign buyers have sought to control u.s. telecom and broadcast media platforms. frankly, this country should have adopted a similar regulatory approach for social media, something senator cantwell and i worked on, which has considerable for considerably more scale and barriers to entry than broadcast media had a decade ago. about you this bill is an important step in fixing that glaring gap. it goes a long way towards
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safeguarding our democratic systems from covert foreign influence. both in its application to tiktok and forward-looking treatment of other foreign adversary control over future online platforms. before i yield back, i want to make clear to all americans, this is not an effort to take your voice away. for several months now, we've heard from constituents how much they value tiktok as a creative platform. as the maker yesterday, it was the four-year anniversary of my once wirea tuna melt video on another social media platform, i can kind of understand why tiktok is such a cultural touchstone. to those americans, i emphasize this is not a ban of the sfris you appreciate -- of the service you appreciate. many american, particularly young americans, are rightfully skeptical. they've not seen what congress has seen. they've not been in the classified briefings congress has held, which delved more
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deeply into the threat posed by foreign control of tiktok. what they have seen, beyond even this bill, is congress' failure to enact meaningful consumer protections on big tech and they cynically view this as a diversion or worse concession to u.s. meade platforms. to those -- social media platforms. to those young americans, i say we hear your concern. we hope tiktok will continue under new ownership, american or otherwise. it could be brought by a group from britain, canada, brazil, france. it just needs to be no longer controlled by an adversary defined as an adversary in u.s. law. with that, mr. president, i yield t floor, urge that we take action on this item. again, i appreciate the great leadership of the chairman of the commerce committee on working with our friends in the house to bring this important legislation to the floor of the senate. with that, i yield senator from florida. mr. rubio: in a few hours, it
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appears, in a few hours here the press headlines are going to read that the senate just passed the ukraine funding bill. that's what they'll call it. this bill is about a lot more than just ukraine. there's a lot in this bill and i want to go through some of it. first of all, it provides something i have strongly supported, which is providing in this case $26 billion to the state of israel to defeat hamas, to defend itself against its enemies. this is something we actually tried to pass on its own and could have passed on its own months ago. it was blocked, held hostage for ukraine funding but it's something we should have done months ago. it's interesting, you know, i think israel in and of itself is a miracle country. on the first day of its existence, it was invaded i believe by 12 separate armies, the whole world thought they would be overrun and defeated very quickly and they survived. and they have throughout their entire existence. had to deal with the fact that everywhere they turned,

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