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>> the command oversight and accountability will comei want e this morning. without objection the chair may declare a racist at any time.6." without objection chairman of the ways and means committee mr, representative matt gaetz of floridareative eric swallow of california our weight onto the committee for the quest questioning the witnesses at today's committee■ hearing. today's hearing opening segments will be open to 10 minutes for the chair in 10 minutes for the the chair notes points of order pertaining to the engaging of personalities against the president will not be in order fo today's hearing. given this is a hearing regarding this committee's impeachment inquiry, members must be allowed to speak franklthe chair that recognizes

himself for an opening statement. >> the committee on oversight we are hear from witnesses who previously provided information during our deposition interview phase regarding the biden family business pónñçctine, russia, anr places around the world. at the start of this congress oversight committee investigated what products or service the biden family and their associates were selling that would justify over $24 millionn, in payments. we reviewed e-mails, bank records, text messages, suspicious activity reports at treasury, and other evidence normally compiled during an expansive investigation such as this the oversight committees found no credible evidence of the biden's providing any work ideno

legitimate value or document or one single hour of work the biden's havebusiness partners. nothing. what is apparent after over a year of investigation the biden's do not work in any traditional sense of the word. they do not work as consultants. or lawyers. orors. the biden's do not sell a product or service a set of skills. the biden's cell joe biden. that is their business. for months we have heard democrats desperately proclaiming witnesses of told this committee joe biden had no involvement in his family's business dealings. but where are those witnesses today? it is telling democrats have invited one of these witnesses to today'sea the other

testimonies would not withstand public scrutiny. democrats have relied on these witnesses opening statements have willfully turned a blind eye to the facts that have come out in these interviews once the witnesses were questioned abod e democrats now must rely who talk about the facts but today's witnesses who work with the biden's. president biden cannot control his adult son. he cannothis sister-in-law, or e family members who have received money from these trans can do is control was known actions that it's what we are here today to discuss with the witnesses. because in the course of this investigation we have learned joe biden has taken action after action to further his family's

plans to get rich. he shows up to meetings, gets on phone calls, shakes hands and tells peoe goes to dinners withn oligarchs on executive paying t. he gets paid with money from chinese businessmen has some tells other business associates hope to see what he can do to help the write the letters of recommendation for a bit associates chilled in the scam a they can make foreign partners go away by engaging the u.s. government the problems can be anything. investigation, moving rush at money to the united states ever mining criminal prosecution, toy sources for job shows up shakes a few hands in front of his son" take care of my boy or something ■9similar. in the money flows to the tune

of tens of million's of dollars. i've done over and over again the biden famy promises joe's power, joe biden shows up billions of dollars come to the biden's pockets. joe biden is a families closer. how could he not be? the biden's are not doing any other work for the foreign companies that weren't tens of billions of dollars. explanatios for this the first is joe biden knows exactly what he is doing and handshake, a wink and a smil jim biden calls a plausible deniability. or joe biden is being led by his family and has no idea who he is leading with what message she is and is truly an elderly man with a poor memory. either joe biden is complicit or joe biden is incompetent. since becoming chairman of the

news committee generate 2023 a promise investigation by family influence peddling will be based on bank recor w facts. after years of democrats is this committee is to help bees for every conspiracy day they could find like the russian leadershis return to real investigation. democrats want to spend a russian hoax answer one question. to earn them over $24 million. what did they d money? democrats had the same bank records as weighty of bank records do not lie. the witnesses today are here to talk about joe biden but republicans are here t t about joe biden democrats wish to spend their time so. i wouldn't invited hunter biden here today to sit alongside his business associates and provide his side of the story.xien demac

hearing i have given him one. maybe he will show up. he said he isn't but he loves and one thingat some point hunts saying one thing and doing another begins to reflect poorly on his ability to tell the truth at all. but just think it's not about hunter biden. is this investigation is not about hunter biden's joe biden the lacey continues to tell the people. with that failed to rank members. >> thank you and ranking member raskin from the beginning of this investigat follow the facts wherever they lead. the facts have led us to two conclusions.0. family has for years traded under biden's name in order to rake in millions of dollars. often doing so with his direct knowledge and clear involvement. two, president biden has been continually dishonest with the knowledge of his family's business dealings.

we have testimony from multiple witnesses joe biden was the brand. he k what his son and brother were doing and did nothing to stop it. that alone makes him complicit to make money off of his public service. he was not just complicit. it was one of today's witness ef this activity. the evidence of the two irs whistleblowers who came to t been affirmed by volumes of material provided to congress the testimony of others and even by the department of justice to finally broughtnter biden that e called for by the irs investigators. the evidence obtained shows one joe biden met with his sons of business partners on multiple occasions. he used an alias to exchange and dozens of e-mails with his sons

and bookkeeper. he took official government with those meetings and correspondence. the connections between joe biden in the sun's business at the height of the democrate primary kevin morris a hollywood met hunter joe biden campaign fundraiser paid off. tax liabilities because there was in his words a risk personally and politically. if that was not met or swept mat under the rug. investigator were told to stand down. the biden family relied on the biden brand is so much evidenced quote all of this stuff, meeting legal troubles would all go away when his dadecame he believe th? for years the biden family has

personally benefited from joe biden's position of power. joe bidens knew to stop it and e lied about it. i yield to tim jordan chairman jordan. >> i think the gentleman. plants of the pipe bombs and generally six? nobody seems to know if it who leaked the dobbs draft opini? you know the leak that led to an assassination attempt on justice, part about this one who left cocaine at the white house questioned by the administration does not have time to answer these questions they are too busy investigating parents in school board meetings,aliating its whistleblowers they're too busy putting together a sweetheart deal for hunter biden. a deal that got laughed out of court. the guy put together the deal the got left out of court is the guy they name special counsel. that time for us going after

president trump they have been doing it for eight years. they spied on his cam■xpaign thn it was the mueller investigation , lawyers 40 agents $30 million and found nothing for then it was impeachment, it was rate his home then special counsel. then it was the 14th amendment. the party of democracy said we can keep the guy off the ballot is lea pole. the ranking member said president trump should be disqualified from even running for office.■u court disagreed with the ranking member and the democrat. not 54, not 63, 78 not 819 -- zero they disagreed. now democrats say how dare republicans investigate joe biden. how dare they look into the money, the business and the brand? millions of dollars as a charm

and said millions of dollars in foreign entities run from different companies for what? dr what? devon archer told it what it was for access t biden. the brand that played rounds of golf, attendant lunches and dinners with hunter biden and his business partners for the brand thata! that conditioned $1 billion of american tax money onhesecutor pressuring the company hunter biden set in by the weight was getting paid a million bucks a year. today we will learn more about that plausible deniability that@ñtx talk mr. wu heard aboue statement, the rule■bay it, forget it, write it, regret it.

i want to thank our witnesses for coming here today but they, like the whistleblowers to come to the ways and means committee symbol because he want the american people to have the truth and i yield >> the chart recognize the ranking member or 12 minutes for his opening segment. >> thank you very kindly. with any luck today marks the end of the perhaps the most spectacular failure the effort to find a "high crimes and misdemeanors" and impeach him fo i in episodes of this long-running madcap series america got to see the following. one comment nearly 20 fact witnesses could not identify a single act of wrongdoing by president biden much less a "high crimes and misdemeor overd biden was not involved in any of his family business adventures.

two, three expert witnesses called by the majority itselfo n in the tens of thousands of pages of documents produced by the majority even remotely approach the level of a "high crimes and misdemeanors." bank records which show exactly what all of the wne joe biden wt involved in his family members businesses repeated displays of pornographic images by the majority completely irrelevant to any conceivable legislative or investigative purpose. a star witness uurne out to be a chinese agent in an illegal arms a trafficker on that run evidence which launched the entire zany goose chase at the 1023 form in which the fbi duly completely fictional tip about a

$5 million bribe petal by alex smirnoff by a trump appointed u.s. attorney, special counsel for felony counts of systematically lying to the fbi and constructing a false record about joe biden. and now sits in jail incalifornk while the world studies his long-standing and extensive ties to russian intelligence. today, the good chairman and his a's maga detectives is finally jumped the shark. errors comes crashing to an end as house republicans and more than a dozen biden districts begged for mercy. hail mary passed after the super bowl is over but to date we revisit the fruitless testimony of two more fading star witnesses have failed to testify to any presidential wrongdoing.

much less evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors. both ofhe frustrated would be bs partners of hunter biden who tried to leverage the biden name with the biden brand as they keepalling it. but they never got any business off the ground for reasons that will become painfully obvious to anyone watching the proceedings today. laboring at the time under serious substance abuse addiction could tell these were not the type of people who should be doing with. so rather than presenting the biden brand they now show us today as loyal servants of trump wod each of them probably represented by their very own former trump white house attorney. the first the bitterly disappointed one to be hunter business partner famously at litigious history includes unsuccessfully suing his own anr nearly a million dollars. just last month suing cassidy

atchinson for $10 milon after ha ski mask met with mark meadows means backed up with actual documentary photographic evidence. made his hazy allegations public on a press conference choreographed by the trump for president campaign which provided him ag% venue and evena dress shirt they went out and bought for him to wear to the event.hours later he joined thed 2020 presidential debate donald trump's personal guest heed witk meadows. the other star witness who i is a serial fraudster who i convicted conman a term i would

charitably not use on a witness except it was explicitly him by not one but two different u.s. federal court judges including the one who sent him to over and prison for defrauding union pension funds a native american tribe and scores of investors. to pay restitution of over $8 million to his victims. that is a lot of money. what donald trump was sentnt pay a net civil litigation. the very first record of its claims against the biden family appeared, check this out in the clemency petition to president trump. point is this. even if we were to believe every single word offered by these utterly compromised unbiased witnessesations do not identify any wrongdoing.

the impeachment bus running on empty our geo colleagues are preparing to save face with criminal referrals. requires evidence of c seen like russian asset archer, jason glamis. cast a piercing lights on what is really taking place here. on has reason to know. he too used to be peddling lies and disinformation smear joe biden. today■qq he joins a long line of self exiled from trump world who could no longer >> all

corruption. people like cassidy hutchinson. people like michael cohen. , the chair of the jointjames chiefs of staff mark milley general jon kelly and now vice president mike pence h to endorse for president the man he served with. but we do have loyal still in the room and one day i look forward to hearing their testimony about how they got sunk into this religious cult. he wrote cirman c■ber and me a remarkable letter on july 23, 2023. this is the first time i meeting him today. he was rud man. his globetrotting business partner and language interpreter in the mission to manufacture ukraine and burisma related dirt and smears against joe biden.

that was in he spent all this time traveling around the world trying to's stage evidence against joe biden. desperate search to find evidence of any kind of biden corruption was a complete and total bust. is no evidence in ukraine that e bide darkly search for smoking gun against biden t cont of thin air with the active help of russian intelligence assets i'm getting to rush you have not heard anything at mr. chairman. amanda reckoned with this own i, he is ashamed to serve the interests of russian propaganda

and putin's lies. he wants america to know the truth. i was to explain how the conspiracy theories and lies promoted with rudy giuliani the tires and fabrication spread by alex and nowy the committee. at every turn might colleagues krait rush a hoax. even in the face of repeated warnings from donald trump's own treasury secretary and secretary of state from the intelligence community from robert mueller and most recently from special counsel weiss name to office by butdonald trump is a secretary stated russian disinformation campaigns targeting american citizens are a threat to our democracy. someone you guys usually defend my gop colleagues can krait russia hoax like cult member

selling flowers at the are the s amplifying the russian hoax. the one giuliani and trump and smirnoff have eagerly adopted from putin and participate in tx they shamefully block $60 billion in military assistance to president zelensky the besiegednian people five years after trump and giuliani tried to shake a president zelensky down for counterfeit dirt on joe biden. they continue to parrot these transparent russian lies, vladimir putin waitresses body aggressive war on ukraine the ms kidnapping of children the rape and slaughter of civilians for the maga right wholesale adoption of this russian hoax and the sellout of the ukrainian people by the maga right is a historic betrayal of of law bute

defense of democracy begins with fidelity to the troops andrats s troop squad against disinformation is here today to set the record straight. i yield back to you mr. chairman. clock said now like to introduce our witnesses mr. tony bobulinaki. he was a business partner of biden in a joint venture between a chinese entity he sat for transcribed interview with the committee on february 13, 2024. he was not ain family. mr. parnas is an entrepreneur political activists and an author. mr. jason gallant■,■h u it was a business partner of hunter biden. he sat for transcribed intervied

the bureau of prisons to make them available in person today. they would only provide him forr brief virtual testimony. notably he applied for terrorist acts, home confinement and after lengthy approval process was appred home confinement june 9, 2023. the following day approval was reversed as a result of the department of justice intervention. remained at a federal prison facility he is currently in montgomery alabama can you please estate for the record who else is in the room with you? >> my counselyí■d■ and nicholas. >> thank you. pursuant to committee rule 9g the witnesses will please stand and raise your right hand use

only swear or affirm the testament you're about whole tr, nothing but the truth so help you god? let the wreckage of the witnesses all answered in the seated. we appreciate you all being here today look forward to your testimony. witnesses we have read your written statements they will appear in full in the hearing record. please make your oral statements please press the button on the microphone in front of you it is on and members can hear you. you begin to speak the light in front of you i green after four minutes will turn yellow on the red light comes on your time has expired we would ask you please wrap it up as quickly as possible. i n recognize mr. bobulinaki for his opening statement.

his opening statement first? >> does not appear mr. biden shut up first public hearing will recognize you. >> think you mr. chairman.ng med members of congress, good morning. thank you for this opportunity to speak with you and present my american people. i sit here today under oath for one reason one reason only, the american people deserve to hear the truth. the truth involved in the deep corruption of the biden family including the malfeasance of the sitting president of the united states might be raw and unpleasant the american people must hear it. you are presented here today to narratives in this investigation. the false coming pushed by joe biden a serial liar and fabulist corruption his brother jim biden 75 your old man who cannot keep his lies straight including andn son chronic drug addict facing indictment 12 count you have the truth confirmed by multipleiness

over many years and backed up by mountains of irrefutable evidence of link text messages, e-mails, documents, recordings, i am the only biden family business partner with an impeccable military record. i am grateful this countries give me the freedom toe successful. i would charge you become independently wealthy. i've taken several businesses public. sold multiple businessesfirms as is why they sought me out. however with this done is repugnant to me i'm patriot anda truth teller. we keep hear from certain corners our democracy is at risk demo■kacies on about and 24 the same people preaching no better. they continue to lie to the american people without hesitation andem both lawyers former prosecutor from new york continue to lie

and go straight to the media to tell more lies. hunter biden's defense attorney name. >> mr. chairman? mr. chairman attempt to save his powerfully conneed and his father. i challenge him to make those claims on national television so he can be held accountable for his lies.l business career as an officer in the nine states navy elite command i served as chief technology officer. >> i apologize for the disruption.■ am i supposed to sy time? >> please come to order. mr. bobulinaki please proceed i apologize for this disruption from the minority.

>> mr. chairma s he called members of this committee liars i just want to know whether the order and the quorum requirements of house rule committee. does it apply or does it not? >> should i adjust? there is decorum for that members we've asked for that. there is no language i am aware potentia witness. make sure we did not waste any of his time is opening mr. bobulinkski i'm sorry for this disruption please continue opening statement. we'll make sure it's right. >> okay. to restate. make sure the american people hear these facts. weaponize letters to congress to try to sar

cold hard facts attempt to save power for collected client and father. i challenge mr. lowell to make those claims on national television so he accountable for his lies. prior to my successful business person off years the night states navy the elite naval nuclear power training command decorated master training specialist. he later served for the department of endocrine nsa. when i left in the entire commander i jumped into the business world in public markets. but i've made a few contributions over the such as a representative i do not see him but hope he shows up today. sitf the oversight committee i'm not a political person to cover a family with a long history in our nation's military. including my father, both o my

grandfathers and my brother who are willing to sacrifice their lives for this great country my sister serves the military vets for two decades at the veterans administration we have lived our lives as a family and service to this great country. i hope the a pay close attention i also hope they will understand some members of this committee willst attention from the facts i will present today by questioning my integrity and my patriotic you may see me speak passionately at this hearing but for good reason. not only was i willing to die country, every single mail member of my immediate family was willing to die for this country. i want to be crystal clear my direct personal explains what i've subsequently come to learn it is clear to me joe biden was the brand being sold by the biden family his or her inue peddling operation

from china to ukraine and elsewhere sold out the foreign actors who are seeking to gain influence and access to joe biden in the nicest governor.■ó■ jo more than a participant in a beneficiary of his family's business he was an active, aware enabler he met as myself to further the business despite being buffered by a complex scheme to maintain plausible deniability.ig questif thereis no evidence of corruptin here today joe's conduct he can't oppose family or fully are they so dishonest about it? not just a slight misrepresentation of fact but deep untruths about the entire corrupt enterprise. hunter biden gave transcribed interview on february 28 light throughout his testimony. here one egregious example of hunter's perjury. he lied to the committee on important details concerning his many demands and and

text messages on july 30 he leverage i text to pay hunter immediately. he also laid extensively throughout his transcribed interview february 21 and perjured himself. an example of that on page 100 of his transcript he is askedo l having a meeting with hunter biden, tony bobulinaki and joe biden? jim's response, absolutely notey his perjury they asked in the same question multiple times. each time he with me and joe biden. after the committee showed text messages confirming i met with joe biden, hunter biden and jim biden jim was a former u.s. attorney lawyer sitting next tok

place. hunter biden and his own transcribed interview confirmed that meeting took place. hunter confirmed his uncle perjured himself in front of this committee. i am here to tell the truth to the american and i hope each and every one of your congressmen and women give the opportunity to do that instead of focusing on a russia or smearing my family's name or focusing on facts that are irrelevant today. i yield back. points. i believe mr. bobulinkski went over hope to have the same equal time too.ook >> secondly i see we have a witness appearing remotely i thought witnesses were required to appear in person are the the majority at the beginning of congress. do we have a new practice with respect to that rule because i know members on our■x were

denied the ability to participate in hearings that were conducted in florida, mississippi, alabama that we wanted to p zoom. cooks i'll answer that it requires to build testify at remotely requires a letter from me and ae have. we'll enter that into the record. >> thank you. i hope you extend theam committee when they can get to a hearing in mississippi or florida thank you much. >> for an inquiry? >> take your point. >> mr. chairman, mr. bobulinkski referred to text believe he is referring to photos. >> what is your parliamentary inquiry state your parliamentary inquiry. we have aortant hearing here we do not have time for stunts what is your parliamentary inquiry? >> i am simply asking too. >> the chair out recognizes for

his time. >> the chair recognizes dizzy h? >> mr. chairman twitter have time for games by democrats today. >> of important witnesses >> and asking a question. >> you asked for a parliamentary inquiry. you have five minutes whenever jamie gives you tells me it is■. the chair recognizes you for equal time which was seven minutes. >> thank you hello. members of congress german coma, ranking member at raskin and mes of the oversight committee. i am humbled and thankful before you today. i came to the united states■w fm up ukraine in 1976 it was still the former soviet union. my mother, father, sister had left the soviet union escaping anti-semitism and

while in rome in route to his or my sister and i had the most important opportunities we've ever been given. green card lot. i family came here with literally no more than shorts on our backs in the hopes of rebuilding our lives in the land of freedom. i say this to you because i love this country. shortly after my arrest on october 9, 2019 until now i've been tryin to share the irrefutable truth with you. american people have been lied to by donald trump, rudy giuliani various cohorts of individuals in positions. they create falsehoods to serve their own interest with undermined the strength of our nation from november 2019 until octobey participant and a witness to numerous efforts to prove joe and hunter biden who were linked to corruption in ukraine. rudy giuliani present donald trump task with the mission to t on the biden's they could spread

misinformation about them. a like me too an individual the unindicted co-conspirator one. we know this to be congress repeat sessions are sits on this very committee today. today i ask you to consider the following break nearly a year traveling the world in different found precisely zero evidence of the biting corruption in ukraine. no credible sources ever provided proof of the fbi, cia or nsa. no respectable ukraine officials ever said the bidenthing said anything illegal including former president bush and go and former prosecutor. was offered a deal by rudy giuliani in exchange for information on the biden's, he provided none because there is none.

only information push on the biden ukraine has come from one source and one source only. age. the proceedings that bring us here predicated on false information spread by the kremlin. sharing lies. from trump and giuliani shattered diplomacy commission's ukraine and elsewhe, group convened for the sole purpose of investigating and damaging the biden's. everything was for the ultimate benefit of donald trump and thereby vladimir putin. were centered around biden ukraine i was just a point person in every matter they pursue. that is how i know with certainty these biden stories ue now. congress and pete sessions and many other thirds under said

they're pushing a false narrative. the same goes for sean hannity, and media personnel particularly at fox who use this narrative to meet up like the public ahead of the 2020 election. sadly they are still doing this today as we approach the 2024 elections. we cannot separate the conspiracy from the russian ukraine or because trump has no intention to kee aiding ukraine. without the support of the united states and nato, millions in ukraine will suffer and die. if we allow russi toefeat ukraine eventually that suffering will reach american shores. today, i admit my own wrongdoings. on surface engines. we don't hide that from reality because as part of my truth. i will be sounds no longer i thank you to the committee i looked forward to answer your question for.

>> is a business partner of during the years 2015.■% the one half billion dollar division our objective was to anchored by globally bran together with a political name our goal hunter biden, devon archer and me was to make billions. thentire with his family name vice president joe biden. in 2014 we believe the enterprise submitted had

partnership with the management 300 early and dolla c company connected to the chinese communist party. hunter biden. this fellowship because game changing of the family. he was a of the team. the.b@■n%e [inaudible] august 23 cap 2014 that reflects this understanding. and i quote. michael, please better conversation for certain relation of mind. but that relation earlier this we discussed this very idea. and as always he remained very, very keen on the opportunity.

a certain relation of mine had this conversation shortly after it happens. ultimately hunter had a jump rule ofhumb say it, forget it, write it, regret it. hunter biden and archer what hunter took a call from his father and told him things were going well. and they might need ating acrosh line. it is not the only called his father may 4, 2014 put them on speaker mode to say hello to a russian oligarch and■. and not all was also there. i am here with our friends i told him you were coming to town

we wanted to say hello. said■? and hope you have safe travels and ed was okay. huntb@ responded by saying everything is good. something about being helpful and said he was going to call his father later. before this call on day one i heard him speaking of business matters is generally. a few days after this and e-mail provided the committee showed it devon had confirmed was committed to a dollars in banking. [inaudible] in the financial platform i intt $11 million of money whose trust. eight year.

[inaudible] i'm sorry for committing these crimes. i deserve what i received. nevertheless my full statement i believe it did not on the same deals for political reasons. making and all of us had financially benefited from these schemes. and in fact biden■! received $50 million to be invested in the group all of this information hunter biden times but they are not interested. and i■b.o.j. december 2022. the d.o.j. has retaliate against me■@ for the cares act. [inaudible]

on february 4, 2023 as approved on june 9, june 12 a subpoena for devon archer reversed my approval. responding objective. this was personal. ■ú period generate 2023 he persisted in sexually harassing me many months after. which removing fromw: danger. not being able to prevent the attack. the bureau of prisons on these matters leaving disclosure would have made things worse for me. unfortunately it contained until early august when where the

officers caught and became more threatening. i feared for my safety and sock to seat seek counseling on 1020, 2023. with events and asked quickly opened an investigation. the elimination to act. i was immediately escorted to a vehicle and driven by staff hours to montgomery to a separate facility. i am grateful that committee has opened an investigation into these matters and i appreciate center jordan and subcommittee chairman. i'm putting myself at great risk for providing information on these matters concerning the president and hisñ: son. i've been treated professionally at montgomery. i want to thank to help.

[inaudible] mr. galanis i want to thank all the witnesses again for being here today. we will now begin the question. i want to remind members on both sides of the each member has a five minutes. i'm going to adhere to that and hit the gavel of the question has been aed we will allow the witnesses time to respond. but we are going to try to get in a lot of questions from a lot of members. and i will begin the questioning followed by ranking member raskin. again, mr. bobulinkski thank you for your. your military service i appreciate being here. during the 118 congresses one o' committees and messenger's involvement in his family's influence peddling schemes arou t world. so, let's start with that. mr. bobulinkski was joe biden

involved with any of your business dealings with hunter biden and james biden? >> asked was he involved in his family's attempt to sell their access to him? you sent out a form -- to form a legitimate business with the biden's. did you out that the biden family had no interest in doing real business? what i did. >> mr. galanis are you aware of any te hte biden with joe biden's knowledge to benefit their business >> yes. >> which business associates? >> the russian oligarch russian, chinese the chinese manager henry. [inaudible] and nikolai from ukrainian

oligarch. >> that we have established joey business dealings productive turn to financial records we have subpoenaed. one major point democrat colleagues downplaymoney the bid from form business features in such a short period of time. we have over $24 million a bides associates from 2014, will joe biden was vice president, to 2019. mr. bobulinkski there is a time or attempting to raise $10 million in the chinese to pursue an actual business deal a real deal. it would not be correct to say this was a 10 million-dollar deal, would it? what did the bidens conceive of business with the chinese becoming? >> the chinese were dollars in infrastructure projects here in the united states as well as around the world.

are you aware joe biden met with rob walker and devon archer to? it. >> as you discussed earlier regarding the russian oligarch, you were present for hunter bidens then calling his vice pres■id oligarch was present, correct? >> yes he was. >> you also were present for

hunter bidens conversation with his about a board seat on a chinese board is that correct? >> so mr. galanis isn't true joe biden said he did not interact with his family's business associates, that is it? >> i believe.] >> out to touch on the fact the absence in the middle part hunter biden has chosen not to attend today's proceedings but i'veived for. it is clear hunter biden knows his testimony would not withstand public scrutiny. joe biden has not been truthful about schemes to sell access and influence. today's witnesses will show the story that the president and his allies on the site of the aisle are eager to hide.

mr. bobulinkski can you tell us about your meeting at the beverly hilton with mr. biden kuester. >> the short version of the long version question. >> long version within a minute] >> hunter biden, jim biden and joe biden were in los angeles for a variety of business discussi speak at the conference in may of 2017. i had lunch with hunter biden and he had asked to meet his father that night. he set up a meeting at the beverly hilton where they hold the conference i got there early and sat with jim biden, hunter biden we're just talk about what were doing with the chinese illegal documents i was working through.they had coached me befe showed up say listen were going to keep things in very high level but were not going to go meeting and i remember because was odd joe was not in the white

house then. way. joe showed up, walked to the lobby i stood up to shake his hand we sat down spent 45 minutes within our going through my background for. >> you most in that long kuester. >> yes, yes this was not a handshake to second is 45 minute long mee an hour we talked about a lot of stuff. >> and chair >> are going to mr. garcia to begin too. >> thank you very much for the record he has provided zero evidence, zero evidence of any link hunter biden and the president is the business dense once again back to hearing any wrong doing by the president.

hugs it's my time sir. mr. bobulinkski want to go back to the private deposition that i had to i was one of a handful of democrats and that private on the record under oath conversation we had. during that deposition i asked you a question of which you gave a false answer to know what to go back to that. i ask y specifically who got you into the presidential debate that was attended by you and others.and a huge moment in that campaign and you could not recall. you said quote i do notcanto the debate. you member who is telling me that? what's your playing semantics to asked me as if someone call me directly and gave me a ticket. >> or let me i want to reclaim my time so i'm going to reclaim my time. let's asked me a question for. >> i'm reclaiming my tim thank . who got you into the presidential debate? i do not recall who got me into

the debate you do not remember who got you into the debate between president biden joe biden and donald trump. >> is not a tru you quoted i don't recall who got me into the debate it's the transcript too. >> you did not ask that questionn+.ill reclaim my time m not asking question right now thank you very much sir. here as was shown by ranking member were in the debate sitting adjacent and next to trump officials. when we were confronted again on this same question mr. bobulinkski if you are a guest of mr. trump's at the debate you responded and you quoted once the wall street journal called you out is the waod or something you act as if its encyclopedia of facts. he refused to confirm you are a guest of donald trump are going to ask y one more time are you a guest of donald trump at the presidential debate? >> mr. garcia those are all the questions you asked me my transcribed interview.

>> answer the question sir you a guest? of donald trump at the debate. it's obvious to everyone in the you are asking semantics because you are guest? answer the question at the time you said i don't are just to be clear i want to keep going. ■q

i do very clearly. >> do you know who jason miller is? >> i do know of him. trump camp? >> mr. garcia, you keep asking semantical questions. i had three coordinated my travel, where i was going. >> i will reclaim my time. it's interesting you show a pre- debate press conference and presidential debate by the person running the

presidency of the united states yet you have no idea how you got to the press conference or remember how you got to the debate and here you are speaking at a press conference on which the national media -- so how did you bet get to the press conference? >> i flew on a plane. >> who invited you to the press conference? >> my lawyers told me i was invited to come to tennessee. io get the truth infects out to the american people. at that moment in time if i recall eating million people ths probably -- >> i reclaim my time. i think it is clear for someone who can't remember how he got to be donald trump press conference or debate, youé areéñ in on credible witness. thank you and i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the chairman of the house ways and meansmi smith, for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman. we've previously heard from two irs whistleblowers that joe wasd

by family members. one such example of this couldí june 6th, 2017 whatsapp message where hunter biden told a business associate quote, sign over my families brand, unquote. or give them, quote, the keys t. can you confirm that president biden is the brand being sold by his family members? >> [inaudible] >> thank you. during his deposition, hunter biden repeatedly testified under oath that his father was not involved in his business in any capacity and that there wasn't even a connection between his father and businesses. he i quote, i stayed for the record one more time under oath and under penalty of perjury, my father has never been involved

in my business. i have never asked my father to be involved in my business. my father has never benefited from my business, a've never asked anyone or my father to do anything for the benefit of anyone i've ever de business for unquote. yes them ways and means committee released a whatsapp message provided by whistleblowers showing that hunter biden wrote on july 30th, i'm sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled.he call with my father. moreover, you testified that hunter was not shy about the ability to g his father on the phone. devon archer testified that there were multiple instances in which hunter placed his dad on

speakerphone. hunter biden telling the truth when he testified under oath that his father was never involved in any of his business dealings? >> no he's not, those are blatant lies. >> we continue to hear claims that president biden was not involved in hisamily his business dealings and that he did not benefit from illicit business deals. however, irs agent joe zigler provided documents to the ways and means committee 327 e-mails,y hunter biden and hunter biden's business associates. do you have any personal experience that leads you to believe that joe biden was involved with hunter biden's business associates and busines? >> yes, i do. >> you want to say a few? >> to outline how joe was invoke

>> yes. >> different congressmen and women keep trying to say that there is no evidence and use the word "vo joe biden was not invon his son's business dealings, why after flying all the way across the country to the conference, where there is next to davo's the biggest conference in the world, why would he take 45 minutes out of his night flex it wasn't a 10 it was 10:40 in the evening. he's an elderly man. flew across the country to sit with me 4■■5 minutes t an hour o discuss my background, the business we are doing with the chinese, his family background. >> speaking of the business with the chinese, in october 2020, joe biden asserted that his family hadn't earned money through business dealings in china however whistleblowers shared evidence that the biden family made at least 1.1 million including $100,000 in payments

from cfc, china energy and a one million-dollar payment in exchange for legal never providn official. do you know whether the biden family made any money from china? >> they did. millions of dollars i think approximately eight to 9 million. millions from china, correct? you said at least 9 million? >> i think it is over 10 million and i will leave the detailsp to you guys. >> the gentleman yields back and recognizes the ranking member. >> thank you mr. chairman for being here today. your involvement with the real russian hoax about joe bidenó+ g donor and supporter, donald trump's you were introduced to rudy up dirt on joe biden in

ukraine. if you could tell us how quickly you got involved in that? >> y■%es at the time. i began doing business with giuliani he got involved in the business and the minute we started spending time together until november of 2018, he approached me and asked me about my connections. after telling him about people, add to that point he wanted me to go to ukraine to find the prosecutor >> and basically he wanted to go from his fraud guaranteed to guaranteeing of fraud on the american people. but aer every stone and going after every rabbit hole including interviewing victor, did you ever find the smoking gun or any evidence that donald trump was looking for paste on joe biden? >> on the contrary,

representative. not only do we keep hitting that wall and not finding the smoking gun but we kept running it tonfg out of russia. >> in fact joe biden was part of a global campaign including by the united states to oppose on and go after the corrupt forces in ukraine, is that right? >> yes sir. >> at what point to■ñ dig up became spreading disinformation and flies? >> at some point when we hit a few brick walls, all of a sudden then i saw the shift between the group that included john solomon, the media personality and other trump lawyers to start trying to push narratives that we have no way to validate them basically a letter would come over from somebody in ukraine and handed it over to joh■i■ solomon. he was on fox two hours later

with sean hannity. >> at what point did heeg direcn agents and russian assets, individuals who would later become sanctioned by dal trump's own treasury department for spreading propaganda disinformation against joe biden? >> sometime around may or june around 2019. >> were you aware that these people were basically doing the bidding of v >> absolutely. >> he had no hesitation about spreading lies that were concocted by russian agent is? >> as long as it fit the narrative, absolutely not. >> how were you and giuliani able to take these false allegations peddled by■ corrupt officials and russian agents and promote and amplify them here in the united states in our political system? were in the media groups skeptical of your

>> most i would say except for fox and a few other right-wing media groups didn't want to takt aggravated rudy giuliani and john solomon and other players. the main group that was being pushed was sean hannity and some other media personalities. but there were other people doing the bidding like senator ron johnson, pete sessions with me from the very beginning of this journey. >> is putin's war on ukraine today which has cost hundreds of thousands of people's lives, is th the hoax? >> absolutely not. >> is it real? >> absolutely. i wantestion if i might becausei might, living through this extraordinary period of history, i tried tox] ask people like

michael cohen and hutchison, i wondered about people like general millie, general kelly why did you break with all of the corruption and lies of donald trump? how did you get out of that lt very difficult. i had to get arrested to get out of it because when you are in that cold, you around them and have blinders on and see a certain amount, able to hear the certain amount of information ao out of the circle and if you go outside of the circle then you are not in the circle, so eventually you brainwash yourself t believe certain things that are not true to understand what was going on i■' realizing going back to moments in time where i started thinking to myself this can't be true and we are doing something wrong. >> thank you for helping ame th.

the chair recognizes the chairman of the house judiciary committee jim jordan. that joe biden was opposed to corruption. so opposed he leveraged a billion dollars of american tax money t fg in ukraine who was investigating the company hunter biden sat on. the prosecutor that replaced and represented in his opening statement, guess what he he took him off the wanted list and dropped the charges. he's really opposed to corruption. who is the big guy? are you sure about that? >> i'm a thousand% sure because en said i don't know who did it, even though he was copied on an e-mail that said they will hold 10% for the big guy.

there's other text messages that back that been produced. directly from the icloud that back up the fact that hunter knew. >> the brand, the one whoq'" up who took phone calls and business associates.and >> you referenced in your opening statement may 4th, 2014 you were at a party at a restaurant in new york. can you tell me who else was there? >> there were more than a hundred people there [inaudible]

i think youer call that took place. tell the committee what happened with that phone call, who was involved with of the phone call? >> there was myself, hunter and initiating it -- and he called his father the president is that accurate? >> tell me what was discussed on the call. >> [inaudible] talked about being good to his

boy did you get the impression joe biden was expecting the call? >> it was an arranged call. >> this was coordinated. he calls his father then vice president and i think in your deposition you think he said that i told you were coming to town. so it's our friends and i told you this was going to hap it wat definitely coordinated. >> a russian billionaire■) [inaudible] >> she's the wealthiest woman in russia and had already given money to hunter biden and his business before this a business

meeting in may and subsequent to that committed to getting more money, is thatubsequent to the d call, the arranged call with the vice president of the united states, the wealthiest commits to give millions of dollars buss that accurate? >> that is accurate, yes. aside at this meeting and you know that it was coordinated. the brand, access to the bidento lift is that what you would describe it as? >> units followed the motto. >> it follows the statement that you all it, forget it, write it, regret it. this was a phone call on a speaker there's no writing about this. it was all done that way.

that is how the business operated. is that correct?yes. >> i yield back. >> the chair -- >> i want to make an observation i've been on the committee investigating committee for over 20 years and as an attorney before that, i had sufficient training and experience to say that with high confidencet when you review the entire record of evidence of the hearings going back over the year, you've actually provided trump for the third time van so much as laying a glove on president biden. we keep hearing when you hear someone say the biden family, that translates into we had no evidence so we are going to use the biden try e president biden.

arguments here you've done nothing more than exonerate president biden. we heard initially foronths about the hunter biden laptop, and you know there were absolutely some embarrassing photos on that and some awful information about hunter biden's personal life, i will admit witnesses and legal experts before the committee and have them testify. what they said is amazing. there's no evidence to even suggest that there was support for articles of impeachment against the president. that was your l experts, the republican legal experts that said that. then■y we have statements by mr. jordan saying that

mr. smirnov was the most witnese republicans hand, the strongest witness they have and of course after that, we find out through the trump appointedse informatin and submitted by the inducement of russian agent is going after president biden and trying to undermine ourlj democratic syst. now we come to a point where since that witnessle now we are going to prison, and we are reaching out to witnesses have been convicted and sentenced to prison for the penf

innocent workers. we can't get any lower at this point. that's witness. i want to remind people he's sitting in prison. that's why he can't be here in prison for scamming workers pensions. i mean,, how low can you get, ■ then it's the republicans idea that this is the best guy they can get to testify. this is the best they can get. you talked about your own direct involvement and said your can you talk to us about then coordination between yourself

and mr. giuliani? thank you for being here. >> thank you, congressman. right hand and basically the point person to not only dig up and validate and search whatever needs to be done to try to some to be able to present. once i would receive whatever information i received i would then meet with him, john solomon and other members of the team to discuss what we found.nt, he won go to the white house and to share with the president and that was the line of communication. >> you said also in your testimony that members of the committee and the republican leadership should have known before smirnov was invited that this information was fabricated.

can you talk about that? known but they would have known what was going on. it was anywhere from left and right field and being pushed straight to the halls without. >> my time is expired. >> before i recognize mr. palmer, i'd like to enter into the record the testimony withhe committee o february 13, 2024. it corrects the record of representative garcia who did not provide yourei■] entire testimony. the understanding of who invited like to enter into the record the entire transcribed interview of tony. >> i would like to enter for the record texts reveal more ties per key witness.

>> daily beast. without objection. the chair recognizes mitch palmer for five minutes. >> i have very limited time and i want to get thrgh armation sor these questions with a yes or no if you don't mind. you've met joe biden, is that correct? in fact you had a meeting is in that correct? one of those times was before the conference in los angeles in 17 is that correct? you provided a great deal of documentations to the committee. i want to show you some messages between you and hunter biden on th of 2017 before you first had a meeting with joe biden. these are messages between you d,"■j hunter biden do you recognize these? >> i do. >> at the bottom he wrote not in now until 11. at ten at the beverly hilton where he's staying. this is president biden's

brother, correct? >> correct. >> the next set of messages if you put them on the screen is another business associate of hunter biden's and you, his name is james. do you do. >> he writes about to meet hunter, jim and joe at the beverly hilton hotel. joes now president, joe biden? >> correct. >> this chat between jim biden, joe biden's brother, you write great to meet you and spend some time together. please thank joe over the time it was great to talk. you met with joe biden, hunter biden and jim biden the night before in 2017 is that correct? >> i did and he perjured himself by trying to deny that. at the y hilton, correct? >> correct. >> you can provide more details around that meaning what w the . >> i didn't ask for the meeting so i wish hunter biden was sitting next to me and could

under oath describe it butson wg with joe biden, and of the only reason i was there is because i was the ceo of the enterprise that they were putting together with the chinese company cfc. >> can you give me a little more detail of what was discussed in the >> before joe biden showed up, hunter and jim biden coached me and asked to sort of outline wef details so through the 45 to 60 minute meeting i had with joe biden about 10:40 p.m. after he flew across the country my backe families military background and different business ventures, the family i worked with, talking a, some of the tragedies they lived through and at a high level, hunter actually joe because before he came and sat down with us, he said give

me five to ten minutes i need to read m when you are referencing joe and hunter's father you are referencing joe biden? >> i am.■b these images, the mee you sent you spend more time wi j this morning. it's correct it's president joe biden also saw them last night including hunter. these images sw a pretty clear record in may of 2017. hunter biden during his transcribed interview testified tthe meeting did take place and during the trip he stated he met with him in the lobby of the hotel and when asked who attended he replied my self but when asked whether the meeting at the beverly hilton between joe biden, jim biden, hunter biden, jim testified absolutely not. the stories don't match up.

mr. chairman, jim bidenlsottee y didn't meet the chinese businessmen. mr. chairman, it appears to me that there are material inconsistencies between the testimony. thement appeared to me to be irreconcilable. someone appears to be lying to the committee. the testimony seems to come jim biden the president's brother. lying in congress is a serious offense. if anyone else has come beforeoe committee i strongly encourage the committee to pursue criminal referrals in the department of justice to ask, have either of u heard foror associated with were a partner to the family enterprise corruption investigation? sorry.

>> anyone being suggested that a pardon might be in order for anyone associated? >> i've not. >> thank you. i yield back. >> a parliamentary inquiry. we have heard for months now■ te photo with the cracked screen, did the committee have in its possession the data for the phone for which he's allegedly taken i think we need the data they keep referring we have the images that we have shared with you. i saw the picture but do we have the underlying text refd to by my friend mr. palmer? >> he previously said he would be happy to turn over his phone. we have pictures of all the text

message screenshots we proviwit. he is given obviously once he's selected i wonder whether we could get all of the texts and i would move the committee to subpoena the phone on which messages with hunter biden and the partners we he's ready to provide so it should be rather simple. >> there's a motion toa. >> with of the text referenced. the chair recognizes mr. jordan. to table. >> the motion to table is not b. although supposed signi.

in the opinion of the chair, the motion of the table -- >> what we are doing is tabling evidence you keep relying on so i'm going to ask for vote. a recorded vote is ordered.■ a moment. we don't have the clerk. will somebody go find the■ cler■ did he say under oath? >> mr. speaker? mr. minority leader, do you think it is possible the witness uld voluntarily just give it? i understood that he volunteered when he was asked about this to simplify things if you would

turn it over with a >> he did very clearly say that he's happy to turn over the blackberry to the committee. we asked and asked the majority -- >> you are out of order. in suspension waiting for the clerk to come so we can take the vote that your s aisle requested. >> mr. ranking member? i want to underscore the importance -- and sorry the gentlelady is out of order. you can talk with him back here if you want.

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16. >> in your deposition you were asked about taking a picture of your phone and you said, and i hat phone. i could put it on the table right here and every person in the room could look at that individual text and validate that it's a leg the date and time stamp on it. are you willing to provide the committee voluntarily with the blackberry referenced phone? >> i'm willing to sit in the room with both the chairman and the ranking member with my phone and other staff and we can go through each and every text■/ me said in my interview i had a forensics expert love into my blackberry someone who's done extensive work for over the date phone so i can provided to the committee. unfortunately, they were usingsd

they were unable to pull the data off the phone, so i'm more than willing to sit in thzxe roe ranking member and other staff with the blackberry fully charged and we can go through each and every message. >> that's some progress and i undend understand i'm sure by the committee wants to look at the evidence on its own. this is my time. you could understand why we would want to look at evidence while we can make our n determination. but thank you for your willingness to cooperate at tha. you observed back in 2023 and a letter you sent to the chairman that there of giuliani interfering in ukrainian politics. why would a giuliani theering is

politics? >> humor to do whatever he needed for the purpose of getting the information he wanted to secure donald trump for the 2020 election, so a prime example of one of the things he did he had relationship with vladimir who was then the mayor in ukraine when the new president c was rug in office in and then on a meeting that we had in spain that was relevant and to do with announcing an investigation into joann hunter biden at that meeting he also brought up the situation that basically told that president trump and of the american people would be very upset because we love him and he needs to be in

their. >> so was he just doing this on his own because he was a patriotic american who loved dona encouraged him to engage in this interference in another country? >> i think he was encouraged by. >> personally? that's your testimony? thank you. in your letter you also said that mr. giuliani was, quote, to deliver a precise message in very with respect to the administration, what did you understand a very strict message or very strict words construed and what was that message that you delivered thought was in very strict words? >> yes, congressman. he told me not to be nice, to be

very stern and we had a message that unless he had an investigation into the biden's, be no cooperation or aid and the vice presideoz that was scheduled to appear for the inauguration would not appear to the inauguration. >> that would seem to corroborate that very famous and between president trump and zelenskyy basically saying that i need a favor and hinting the withholding of military aid until the favor was delivered. is that fair? >> absolutely. i was part of se phone call your testimony is important and under oath. thank you and i yield back. >> ms. taylor green from georgi.

in 2020 he stood up on stage of a presidential debate and told the american people that his family didn't take any moneym from china. that was a lie. not only was it a lie, he knew it was a lie. he knew it because he metrnith his friend hunter biden chinese business associates. i want to talk about cfc which is the china energy fund committee. who is chairman he? >> gym biden told the fbi and irs that he was the protégé of the leader of china and the chinese communist party. rob walker told the committee joe biden met their you aware o?

>> i am now. i wasn't at the time. >> joe biden also met with you is that right? >> yes, twice. >> who was the director? >> the■a■f number two at cfc. >> the executive director? >> the number two executive, but the point person biden family wh and the individual hunter biden was shaking down at the end of,y fund the $10 million directly to hunter biden's accnt you. i want to show you a text message that hunter biden sent to you and his other business asci right here. i have an idea in light of the fact we are at an impasse of sorts and most employer and myni

think we should all meet in romania. he is speaking about my chairman. when referring to the chairman and that the rest of the group referred to him as a different chairman. does this make any to you? >> that is a lie. i never heard in yourence and i directed communications with the director over we chat, met him in romania, met him in moscow, around the world trying to develop this business and he was never referred to as the chairman. first of all. the second of all, that makes absolutely no sense in the contexf the message because we are discussing the holdings. >> so he wasn't the chairman, just to cla another text when he said his chairman, this is from wall rob walker.

he said this to you when hunter was talking about his chairman, he was talking about his dad. when rob walker came into give the transcribed interview to thd while hunter was high or confused or mad, and he said he was just trying to calm things down between you and hunter■9 about who he's talking about. hunter biden lied to the committee. so, here clearly says he's talking about his dad. i want to be clear we have established that he's not thew t correct? >> correct. let me show you another message. this him the chairman, does it? it says the chinese want to do business with of the biden's as a matter of fact both coming to be mer, to be partners with the bidens, he has implied

one has made it clear and available. who is the number one? the number one, the president of china, yes or no. the leader of the communist party, the ccp, is the number e?r one hunter was referencing in that message. >> let's be very clear this was in 2017, but i make it known for the committee joe biden told the press in 2016 as a matter of fact, i quote, yes, i am, i'm going to run 2020. he was running for president of the united states in 2020. so here is) the bidens doing business in china when everybody knows he was planning to be

president of the united states. >> i wish the committee would thoroughly investigate it and talk about the evidence they have on cfc. they have fisa warrants so they were including and i wish they would disclose that to the committee. >> thank you. i recognizes >> rudy giuliani tasked you with a mission to travel the globe to find dirt to damage the biden's reputation and the 2018 and 2019 timeframe. this was on the secure trumps reelection. evidence of wrongdoing or criminality? in your travels you found precisely zero proof of the criminality, right?

is it true you've looked for dirt around the world in the same way joe biden inarticular all failed the evidence of criminal wrongdoing? not only that but the former ukrainian80 president stated there's not a single word of truth to the allegations about joe biden, right? >> yes. >> now there is a guy that's the former prosecutor general of ukraine and he also confirmed that notngctivity in ukraine, right? >> correct. >> and there's another prosecutor general who said he had no evidence that either joe or hunter biden interfered wi law and the reason you know this is because you talked to each of these

people. and your job was to try to dig up dirt and manufacture but we've conducted months of hearings and because no evidence of wrongdoing, you called this whole inquiry a wild goose chase. intere of that the real quid pro quo wasn't donald trump. ebeg it was joe biden when he tried to hold up foreign aid when he was vice president in exchange for firing the prosecutor in ukraine that was investigated and the corruption fm his son. now again you looked for evidence to support this claim. there is no evidence, correct? >> firing the prosecutor would make it more likely that they would go after the company in question, not less, right?

>> the reason why the majority and ukraine and at the oim is bs corrupt, not because he was investigating but he was stalling investigation looking into a23 wanted to get out from and they stalled ■o■jthat invtis just the opposite of what the majority claims to be the case. namely that they say that somehow joe biden was fire the prosecutor to reduce the chances of a prosecution. but the prosecutor, he increased the chances of prosecuting, right? >> so let me talk about what some of the othes in this inquiry have said. the constitutional expert, the republicans brought forth said there's no evidence of which he was aware to support impeaching the president. you agree with that?

>> 100%. a colleague of ours said last week have ieen■■vio6t impeachab. do you agree with that statement as well? our republican colleague who is about to retire said that evidence of wrongdoing by president biden, quote, doesn't exist right now. didn't then.xist now and it >> that's true. >> how many times have you met donald trump? over ten times. i'd have to count, but lots of times. >> is there anything you would like to relate about the conversations with donald trump that would bear on the conduct of these proceedings? >> donald trump was aware of everything going on that day in the red room when white house, after rudy bringing donald trump up to speed and th trump approached me, said thank you for all you're doing, keep up the good work, patted me

on the back, t was off to bring him back here to meet with lindsay graham. >> thank you so much. iy yield back. >> mr. cloud from texas for five minutes. >> thank you, chairman. we have heard time after time he had no knowledge whatsoever about the business dealings and the change. he never alleg hunter and they moved the ball to say he didn't have any business dealings. he wasn't involved■tributions se then we've uncovered about 20 show companies and have bank records that bring light to that and while we can't cover all 20 in five minutes, i want to focus on one and that isis interestin, devon archer testified and said

ins7 his testimony he said that this was used as a common entity on the handshake deal between devon and hunter splitting the chairs. that was your word. do you stand by those words? and devon archer, he said hunter was a corporate secretary and had a handshake to get the ownership deal is that correct? >> correct, yes. >> primarily the comny up to initially place to hold equity on correct? it included money paid from the

$50 million. >> if this were illegally and id there's no propriety, it's concerning because it is set up to energy interest at the behest of the ccp. then we had others from and we know about the salary providing no actual function. we had 1 million going through rosemont to hunter biden and meeting. of the 142,000 that goes into this and then the next day went to a

porsche dealership for a car for hunter biden. what's interesting about all of this of course is that each of these not only fluid money to hunter biden but each of them also involved important meetings with of coursere biden. so we had coffee with jonathan who was one of the members who started t harvest and was connected with the ccp. they were having trouble getting licensed to work because of course they had to give permission to that. until hunterown air force with e president joe biden at the time. they metith jonathan lee, hunter introduced them. joe ended up writing a letter of recommendation to jonathan lee's daughter to get into college, relationship continues. of course in ukraine, we know

that■n april6, 201 biden had dinner with the officials at café milano, seemed to be a popular spot because joe biden also had dinner. all inflow to going here. and of course as pointed out several times, this all comes down to eventually the one0% to. we know this goes through to gee big guy. .. congressman outlined the big

guy is clearly joe biden. the details of■÷om that is excluding how they operated. quickset is the pay answered. and mr. galanis use of the begetting hunter did not provide any propriety asset value or anything of the sort. his entire value, is that correct? how did you state that? >> we did rely on him for a delg the biden. >> of a question for you mr. galanis. did you offer to provide information on hunter biden ando prosecutors and the sec and what happened there? >> yes. specifically on that. and also the same thing to the exchange commission. were told to quash that interest.

i understood that to be in to determine i yield back. >> the chairman's time has minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairma i only have five minutes mr. bobulinkski i'm going to try to move quickly i would appreciate if you answer the question. you testified joe biden venture and hunter biden. i want to drill down ox of what your testimony is. the suit business venture you are referring to correct? >> i'm referring to what? you de biden's. >> might reference are the holdings llc owned 50% of that. >> rachel. a knight holding was a 50% that

was on the american side of that deal, right? >> 50% the biden side of it. he's not an american. >> click sorry fair enough. it was a joint partnership memorialized incorporating document, correct and equal shares divided among five partners is that right? >> eight that what you are holding up? >> where there equal 20% shares among five partners? >> in a what? in the fal what you're asking? >> yes very. >> it is not complicated. >> you are filibustering you are filibustering, i get it. there were five partners, hunter biden, jim biden, rob walker, james gilley art and you. each own 20%. >> they did not each of the llc owned it.

there's a material differencebec related to joe biden on this? >> i don't know if joe biden owned jim biden llc or hunter biden llc i will leave that up to t >> do you know when this agreement was entered into? >> the posterboard legal document that was signed? what's the agreement sir. >> the agreement was signed may 22, 2017. then? >> may 22 you said? i think it was mike >> was the president? >> donald trump a. >> when did you first meet hunter biden? >> it first met hunter biden early 2017. >> when? one and 2017? >> the day or month? >> the month is good too. >> ielet him in new york. the first meeting i had had exte time with him was early may 2017 brickwork cells from the same time you have the two meetings

with the j's prior to that. >> you have said insert comments or can im< please r move quickly here. unfortunately in your testimony earlier today what if my one ofy colleagues asked you about that5 minutes, 60 minutes you were also asked about that in your transcribed interview. and neither of your a■unswers dd you mention any discussion that you had at that meeting with joe biden about the chinese business venture. yet in grandiose terms here today you have joe biden was involved. and you have the mountains of irrefutable evidence to support it. so let's look at the mountains of irrefutable evidence. you provide the committee with a screenshot of a text message that is between james gilley art and may 11, 2017. i don't know if you can see

this. you and james, right? you remember this text message i am sure products generally yes. >> in it he writes you are right. let's get the com till families the high stakes and get joe involved. two days later he sent an e-mail and hunter biden in which she suggested a division of the company and included a proposal h for the big guy? you remember that, right? >> the infamous e-mail with the big guy, yes, i >> it in them and respond to that e-mail? >> yes they did numerous times. you're right. respond to it. >> you're going to filibustering to replay my time it's running out. i will s guy reference checks thank you for making my point they did not have to respond. they all they do the big guys joe biden peroxide reclaim my

time please controlled the witness. i would like to get a little extra time mr. chairman i want to read what mr. said teet jour. i'd like to clear up any speculation for former vice president was involved with the 2017 discussions about our potential businesf any involvemt at any time of the former vice president for the activity in question never revenue you should print what joe biden involved that is why hunter. [inaudible] i the chairman's time is recognize mr. higgins thank you for being here today we appreciate the candor of your response which is reflective of the way you handle yourselfn

private testimony and deposition thank you for speaking truthful to the american people today. i am going to ask about the china energy fund committee. are you familiar withwñ that,>>. >> is assigned multibillion dollar company like a fortune 500 company at one time? what is even bigger than that. if you go back and l its financials in 2016 and 17 as one of the five largest private companies in china. >> exactly. so this was a major, a major operation. a lot of money and apparently i'm going h he here. this is a chart from the sink and -- second bank memo. it shows the disbursement of almost $24 million for diamonds.

you have a major chinese company apparently diamonds were used as a means of payment for the biden family we know the biden's admted having to diamonds. we suspect there are many, many more $23 million worth of diamonds. exchange of valuable assets to pay biden's other than electronic transfers of money? are you aware of payments in di■ñds cash? payments in board memberships et cetera? >> in my generally aware oft?

i read it jim biden and hunter biden's transcript multiple times. jim biden and the transcript references to bidenr diamonds given to hunter biden. when he implies was in 2015 by an individual who he could not recall his nameindividual's namo is a surrogate for cfc and apparently a second diamond at a meeting in miami. i really want to set t i was not physical meeting. i was in miami but i was not at that physical mtinged fbi in my interview projects are you aware mr. bobulinkski a pattern of a ayments coming from the china energy fund committee? >> i appreciate that question wish everyone on this committee testimony. the20 an eight day trial on the actual trial trial was goi that

accused numerous executives of corruption, bribing,. >> exacork soup political figures of africa. >> so exactly. so mr. bobulinkski for your perch within the biden family operations and their with the mr businesses in china they exchange millions of dollars are tracked through bank records, through suspicious activity reports a. two females, to communications this committee has there is no debate. millions and millions of dollars flow into the biden fily bank accounts. the existence of other forms of payment is fascinating. monds are untraceable. we do not know how many diamonds the biden's received. >> we don't have for some it is been china0s time, hong

kong. hundreds of people working one pot i never got i got never got a dime. i shift quickly at gentleman named james. it's only when you are face to face as a response saying should be paranoid about things. and then there is a response saying for real. so, what is mentioned by don't mention joe being involved for prettily when you're face-to-face. i know that they are paranoid pick brexit up of the biden's operate not specifically the cfc you have galanis testifying and numerous other witnesses i'm getting a tremendous amount of the create layers of obstruction

that's the reason robert walker was getting sent and millions of dollars inste biden. those hunter directly. in plausible deniability. race mr. norton from d.c. for appearingvoluntarily for this hg from alabama. i understand you are currently serving sentence in federal prison almost 16 years after being convicted of one but two.one, not two, but three different schemes.

victims of your schemes as the judge who presided of your criminal prosecution included in quote one of the poorest native american in the country. as well as pension funds held for transit workers, longshoremen, housing authority, workersij and the city employee. hard working people every day people among others. the court also noted you personally benefited from these schemes and again i quote using ■over. almost 9 million for lavish personal expenditures jewelry, expenses, sign your own

encounter with prosecutors.■c■= exchange commission charge you in 2005 withcc connection with your investments, your involvement rather penthouse magazine. and in 2010 you were convicted of attempted tax evasion were se probation in order to pay nearly $10 million in restitution. notn extremely extremely talented man. monly so. he is very persuasive.

those were the tools in his tool bag. and the people he%k■! his intelligence comes interpersonal skills, his charm if you will. this comment referred to as con artists. another judge who presided of your case referred to you as your republican colleagues are relying on to carry their water in this sham impeachment inquiry.#l after the last star witness the infamous fbi form an end thank

you very much for more than a year noww■g leave here innuendo, propaganda, no facts, no evidence but several expert witnesses whoh that. nothing remotely approached the a finding of high crimes and misdemeanors. we come back again today the majority is to w the designated conman to charm d by two different courts. someone who deploys

exploiting native american indian tribes and then a lot of rhetoric and hot air but no facts of high crimes and misdemeanors impeachable offenses against the republic. the kinds of offenses james mattis said are great aacks on the republican celt great affronts to our republican form of government. and nobody on thebn us what is e impeachable high crime and "higd misdemeanors" which suggests they are moving in the direction of criminal referrals and start witnesses arch get back to you. >> i like to remind the witness was partners with hunter biden. that is why he is here. we have their partners they could have invited partners but you invited this guy per. >> donald trump's partner.

mr. parnas per. >> a chair recognizeso go through. but first mr. lynch compare complaint about testifying from prison so i would like to ask unanimous consent to enter into the record department of justice own press release announcing the sentencing of democrats that led parnas to prison. >> the objection. thank you. now mr. chairman we had originally hoped we'd see if you want witnesses here today. they are not here. i'de i showed up today hoping i'll be asking these witnesses a little bit more about this tape. mystery or some people feel it is still ambiguous as to how this prosecutor was fired in ukraine and at this tape goes a light oy the prosecutor was fired and why

we want hunter biden and mr. archer >> got ukraine. i remember going overr team thae providing out of the 12th or 13th time and i was supposed to announce there's not a billion-dollar loan guarantee. i'd got the commitment that they would take action against a the state prosecutor and they didn't. they said were not going to give the billion dollars.■■j the president said i said. i'm telling you you're not getting a billion dollars.

the prosecutors not fired and he got fired. and put in place someone. >> i just wanted to put that up there. d eventually want further efforts made to get hunter biden mr. archer we have joe biden himself bing they got rid of a prosecutor who would have provided his son's business dealings. with more observation. i'll put it that way. now mr.ul interviews with this committee you said joe biden not only knew about the family business participated with them. you went so far as to say it's clear to me joe biden was the brand sold by the biden family. could you why he felt that way? >> corrected.

that's where the challenging things i've had to deal with over the last four years with the focus of simply telling the truth. around these facts are just beyond insane. i'll use a meeting at the four seasons hotel in washington d.c. i was not at but apparently eight -- 10 chinese executives were at with the chairman and interacted with extensively. and james was in that room. rob walker,unr biden my understanding based on rob walker's testimony is joe biden walked into that room. sat down, shook hands of people spent five or 10 minutes talking about his family i guess. i was not in the room. li joe biden was walking in there to ask about the weather. robert walker said the chinese did not even know joe biden was a former vice president of the united absurd. the power at those 10 chinese

individuals had to go back to mainland china and say they were in biden is the value of what they were giving. to give plausible deniability. >> i would just point to a the different text messages and communications they call him the big guy. i was not involved or mr. archea points they did not use his name you weren't supposed to talk about it. >> you personally met with the vice president. >> i did twice. did he say anything you wanted him t help us on t sort of thing? >> he thanked me for helping a son and his brother and asked me too keep an eye on them as i walked him outo speech on the sd

meeting. >> i just went to follow up this may be a big question but i'd like to know but one of the that is the interaction with the chinese or that's were dealing with today that obviously other countries as■twu well. that apparently in their own mind the way you deal with the united states is the way you deal with a corrupt city council or shing. you give them money and you get what you want too. .do you want to comment on that or hear the stories about that? do hea stories they were surprised at easy it was to buy the u.s. government? >> answer the question please feel free to answer the >> there is tremendous evidence believe they are bribing the biden family and they were doing at the hunterse kind of shamefuk you. >> very good. the chair recognizes for five minutes. >> think it mr. chairman. can you tell me about your

meetings why you believe the trump campaign uses services? >> yes. i was sent to meet with demetri because he had a resources he is in oligarch in vienna waiting to be extradited to the united states he was very close with a vladimir putin lots of characters not part of the my objective was to have him help us lean on them and get dirt on the biden's p >> what type of dirt were you trying to get? >> was searching for hunter's hard drive we were told was out we were searching for bank records to validate certain bank records that were given to meete hunter's personal bank i was given to me he said he got from the fbi.

that objective was to try to find a link from any of the payments that were going to joe biden's accounts for. >> who told you to get this dirt? cooks who told me, rudy giuliani perfects anyone else that she remember? >> jon i m part of the team for. >> to bill barton know you were involved in getting this dirt? absolutely. bill barr was nur investigation for the day took office but. >> did you have a conversation with a built bar being lenient towards demetri in his role as attorney general? they personally did not i was a witness to victoria and joe having a conversation with billx barr. >> what did they say? >> basically they were telling him the chargers were false and end the case for. >> where they tell him to drop the charges on the russian

oligarch? help us getting dirt on the bidens or whatever else the trump campaign needed for. >> my understanding issue of the trump campaign telling you to dirt for political reasons. get someone from the trump campaign was talking to drop therges. because the foreign nationals helping to get dirt on the potable candidate. in the indicateh willingness thy came back and what you know if if bill barr told her to s >> any evidence of bill barr would have indicated to signal to demetri the charges to be dropped? >> only from conversations or rudy giuliani.

>> what did they say about what bill barr said? s this to be taken care of as long as they played ball that's the message they relayed to me. >> they said bill barr was conveying that to them directly? >> yes after meetings there are several meetings there is a private meeting bumped into bill barr at the trump international hotel he is that is a moment to take him aside and speak to them. channels where victoria met with them. so it yes. >> you know if anything was done with the charges? >> to this demetri's not here. >> do you believe bill barr should be investigated for hisag these charges? >> like absolute believe that. not only that i believe bill barr should investigate into the cover up and trying to silence me too get the truth out of what ukraine for. >> explain the cover up what you believe should be investigated with you last minute?

>> my arrest was set up to shut me up to seal my documents, take away my information and turn me into a crazy man that i have no way to prove what's going on. but the real story wasill barth was trying to save donald trump from impeachment and use me as a scapegoat. when he did not realize his is want to do. that's why blew up and bill barr's face. he hired special counsel at the time to look into ukraine but we tried to reach out my attorney to, special counsel brady he never returned her phone calls. nobody wanted to hear anything i ukraine.ay that had to do with■ >> legitimate yield quester. >> thank you. i just want to say we do not hear bombast rhetoric but you are telling a true story you conducted yourself with great purpose and great dignity. i know your son i here with you today happy and the rest of your family are proud of what you're doing for america you'll backbite. >> thank you. gerrit recognizes

ms. o'donnell's in florida for five minutes per. >> thank you chairman. ito far us get to the actual paper trail of money flow from cfcresident joe biden. i want to start they texted minutes is july 31 between hunter biden and one mr. is our part really quick who is mr. tsao? >> congressman i'd like to spend 20 seconds. if you noticed congressman straight out of your very quickly. i am actually disgusted as i sid on the fact i'm sitting here in front of the world trying to testify to the truth. produce oe democrats and the republicans sent to me saying you have always demonstrated to me you are nothing b it on with the highest integrity individual i was begging for him to go on cnn and tell the world

octobe&or 2020. i have extensive e-mails with congressman in 2021 and 2022 where i begged him and his staff to sit down at my blackberry phones the democrats are so focused on to higher forensics experts and go through all of the factuinforma. the fact he did not address me and it scurried out of here is disgusting to me. >> alright mr. donald i'll answer your question now. >> were goi have to come off that now or three minutes 30 seconds. mr. chairman for the record i went to submit into the record n hunter biden and mr. zahl which stipulates hunter biden was to be able to move from get the contract resolved get the deal resolved and says see is willing to cooperate with the family on august 31 there was another exchange. this time august 3 excuse me

between hunter biden in this message the stipulations of the arrangement between the biden family and cfc for the record mr. chairman for. >> without objections or to paye the rubber meets the road. on august 3 they stipulate through what's app text messages the stipulations of the deal on august 4 $100,000 as a wired into a pc seatm) [cheering] to submit for the record a portion of the bank statement for the time. august 3 stipulating a wonder to thousand dollars going from cfc into the bank account of hunter biden. >> 's objections ordered. >> on august 8, 4 days later $5 million is transferred from

northern international capitol account $5 million to hudson west the third point hudson was the third is a bank acc controlled by hunter biden and kevin who is the cfc associate.n international capitol a bank account a bank account tied to the cc pete mr. chairman adjustment for the record the bank statement demonstratifer. >> objections ordered for. >> okay moving on. on aug8 there is a wire transfer form the thousand dollars to pc from the hudson west the third bank ■account. that form the thousand dollars mr. chairman i of the transfer records and the bank account from the august time. i would just admit tt for the record. >> without objections so ordered. >> this is where the fun stuff comes innovative got a minute to get going get it done.

on august 14 is one or $50000 that is transferred which is controlled by hunter bidenley james biden. i have the records are mr. chairman won a $50000 that has gone i for the record. >> without objections or to pick cotton august 28 that we have a screenshot for everyone in the room. on august 28 we have the withdrawal tickets from lion hall group that is signed by biden hit was the wife of jim biden for $50000 to withdrawal . i went to submit the withdrawal receipt for the period. >> without objections ordered. >> on■s■+ of the deposit reference into the biden account on the same day i went to submit that for the record. >> without objection so ordered progress last document septembes personal account there is a

check written to joseph biden junior the president of the united states today for $000 was own personal accountant mr. eric as no record for. goingn to submit that for the record mr. chairman fairplex of that objection sorta perplexes the members of the committee it's clear the source of this money came from cfc it is aked e ccp and action of the chairman of the ccp eight chairman of■7