came before you. you get ready to sacrifice and then let's all get together and do the thing we need to do, protect freedom in this nation. god gave it to us, now it is time to defend it. god bless you all, god bless the great state of north carolina, and god bless the united states of america. thank you. ♪ [applause]

larry o'connor, host of "o'connor tonight." kurt schlichter, senior columnist for townhall.com. and washington bureau chief for breitbart, matt boyle. ♪ >> matthew boyle, ladies and judgment. kurt schlichter, ladies and gentlemen. monica crowley. >> don't you miss having someone at the treasury department who speaks english and worries about things like the economy and inflation instead of what, climate change? we need a treasury department to focus on climate change. all right, matt, go ahead sorry about that. already chaos. >> the point is we know what will happen on the republican side, donald j. trump is going to be the republican nominee for president again. >> sorry, nikki haley is in the

back of the room objecting. [laughter] >> we don't know what is going to happen on the democrat side. karen president joe biden -- -- current president joe biden is -- >> allegedly. >> allegedly the nominee for president at the same time you have a special counsel report that shows what we all know, this guidelines and a member care institution, not the oval office for monica, you from the stage where the first person warning conservatives that we need to be ready for the possibility that the parachute in michelle obama at the convention. >> this is your fault, crowley. matt: you give them the idea committed and you?-- didn't you? monica: great to be with you, matty, and great to be with you at cpac. i saw a film by my friend joe

called "michelle obama 2024." i came here to cpac and a light bulb went off in my head when i watch that documentary. even at the time two years ago, there was no way joe biden would be the democrat nominee for president. he has always been a corrupt hack, but now he is a corrupt hac k with dementia. i thought there was no way they could put them up for 2024. when i saw the documentary, i saw that is the most logical route for the democrats. two years ago from this stage i was the first person after joel and his movie to raise the possibility that the democrats might reach for michelle obama. i'll never forget the room fell silent. there was not a peep, you could hear a pin drop, and then there was a collective gasp across the room. >> and there was one f-word,

that was me. monica: and i said don't shoot the messenger. it does us no good to live in fantasy land that the democrats don't have a plan. they are communist, communists always have a plan to seize power. joe biden doesn't know what planet he is on, and the vice president is in a constant state of nervous breakdown. the democrats cannot run either one of them as a solution, and they're all these names being thrown out like gavin newsom or gretchen whitmer. but now more and more people are on the michelle bandwagon, after i threw it out here two years ago. it seems she covers all of the bases, unfortunately. we need to deal in reality. don't buy the nonsense she is not political. she is totally political. her father was a precinct captain in chicago. from the time she was a little

girl she was going to precinct meetings with her dad. her best friend growing up was jesse jackson's daughter, so she was always at jesse jackson's house, etc. look, she is completely political. the democrats moved their convention to chicago, ok? you start to put some of the pieces together. and it is entirely possible that they could make the change out at the convention in august. they could throw out all the rules because communists do not play by any rules, democrats do whatever they want. and they could make the switch. and if they do that, they could position michelle as the reluctant candidate who really didn't want to do this, but she needs to save her party and her country, so she is going to reluctantly recruited, and they could run her as a pristine candidate without getting bruised and bloodied up in any kind of primary. she would only have to run for 10 weeks to november 5.

look, i don't know if any of this is going to happen. i know it sounds off-the-wall, but what we've been through the last 8 years, everything has been off-the-wall. it's possible. i don't know how likely it is, and i hope to god i am wrong. matt: kurt, you see things a little different? kurt: i do, and i have a couple of phones to pic-- bones to pick. "cat fight: kamala vs. michelle," why are you ruining cat fights? [laughter] i don't think joe biden has any plans other than eating mush while watching "murder she wrote." two scoops.

it will be tough to pry that desiccated old husk of a human being out of the white house. but if they do, i don't think michelle wants to be president. i think she enjoys her life. she is at martha's vineyard, on the yacht with leonardo dicaprio babysitting his dates. i just don't think she wants to do it. kamala, on the other hand, really wants to do it. if i were joe biden and she brought me the mush, i would have the dog taste it. larry: i always thought the move to the convention to chicago because they wanted to send a message to maga country. they can win in chicago. take that, jussie smollett. you are right there?-- all right there? >> i'm fine. larry: if joe biden can't stand trial, he can't be president of the united states.

as soon as they get rid of the messy democratic process, because they are the democratic party, right, he steps down not just from the ticket, but steps down from the white house. kamala harris runs and an historic figure, our first woman president, and running as an incumbent from the convention. i don't see how they get rid of her. you are right, dr. jill is going to hang onto the white house with her talons dug deep, but that is why she becomes secretary of education. believe it or not, her doctorate is not in heart surgery. she is a phd in education and she cares very much about the children. she becomes sec. of education and they get the grifter going for the biden family, and kamala runs against donald trump. monica: the mechanics of this are difficult -- again, i don't know how realistic any of this

is. they don't just have to get rid of the president, they have to get rid of the vice president as well. she is historically the most unpopular vice president we've ever had. matt: oh, come on, she is a great job. [laughter] monica: i don't have the answers of how the democrats would've tried to move both of them out. you have got a couple of really important things going on here. first of all, the most devout democrat constituency is black women. so if they want to bounce kamala , that voting bloc would be absolutely enraged. the only way you square that circle is by running another woman of color, and michelle meets that. but the other point about this -- imagine if there were all of these whispers about a republican candidate possibly jumping into the race. somebody as iconic and sort of immune to criticism as michelle obama.

every single member of the imperial media would be staked outside their home, you would have satellite trucks, you would have people like matty boyle running after the candidate with a microphone, "hey, are you going to run?" not a peep from the imperial media nobody has asked michelle are you running, certainly not recently. there is no stakeout at the obama homes. not a word. that is a huge tell, guys. she has not denied it, but the imperial media is not after her to answer the question. larry: i know it is not really my role to ask a question -- have you noticed we are saying they are going to do this and do that and move this person out -- who is they? kurt: exactly. matt: there is no they! look, you can imagine barack obama trailing nancy pelosi and

schumer come into joe biden, "well, joe, it's time to go. chosen idiot- -- joe's an idiot, plus see now. and he is a narcissist. barack obama is a smart guy. joe is an idiot. "i have a very high iq." of course you do. larry: a person with a high iq is constantly telling you they have a high iq. kurt: they say "it's time to go," he's gonna say "no, i'm not doing it." matt: we were talking about this backstage, there are divisions between biden and the obamas. sometimes when you see david axelrod on cnn, you can tell he

is telling the truth for a little bit about biden when it is really bad. how do we square that circle, monica? how do we get to a place where the obama's and biden come back together for this reunion where michelle obama takes it at the convention? monica: that's a great point, but it dovetails with the question you just raised, "who who is they. this is obama 3.0. they installed joe biden in there because they knew he was a senile guy and could be a puppet. they're the ones pulling the strings. the left has a whole group of powerbrokers working in conjunction with the deep state, which is real. when you say they, that are really powerful, shadowy figures including barack and michelle obama who are pulling all the strings right now. again, i don't know the mechanics of moving biden, who is very stubborn and will not go

on his own. kamala, very stubborn, not going to go on her own -- larry: i will pick this up. monica: the final point and then you can address the mechanics of getting rid of the two of them. they've got obama 3.0 right now. they want obama 4.0 and 5.0, and the only way they can really guarantee that is having michelle in the white house, because gavin newsom, mrs. clinton, gretchen whitmer, yeah, it would be on the left and do most of what they wanted in terms of advancing the great reset, but they can't totally control of the way they could with biden and michelle. larry: it was obama who decided it had to be joe biden. democrat primaries and 2020, he won south carolina, elizabeth warren wasn't dropping out, pete buttigieg wasn't dropping out, bernie sanders wasn't dropping out, and then klobuchar was

still in. the phone call was made, "it's got to be joe." remember when greg brady got signed by the record producer to record a song and then it turned out they didn't use his voice, and he was like "what is this," and they said, "no, you fit the suit." joe biden fit the suit. he was the right guy to run in that position, they could prop him up. of course he is stubborn, of course you won't want to leave. here is how the phone call goes. or maybe they go to the oval office, "joe, the heat is on hunter, the heat is on your brother, and the heat is on you. this going to be a couple of very powerful democrats in the house and senate who are going to start publicly say that this thing smells dirty, and there's going to be convictions and there's going to be impeachment. here is your chance. you pardon your brother, you pardon your son, you get the hell out of here."

that is how they get rid of joe biden. monica: that reminds me of president nixon, who is my first boss in his final years. it was very cold water and the republicans who went to him in 1934 -- barry goldwater and the republicans who went to him in 1974 and said you are done. i see the democrats doing that maybe if they are given marching orders. kurt: the difference is richard nixon had respect for norms and the united states of america. these guys don't, joe biden doesn't. joe biden is the capo of a criminal organization, the biden family. he doesn't care about the country. all he cares about is himself. i could see him day after his next inauguration or the day before donald trump's inauguration, god willing, him putting his brother, son, and himself. i don't think that is going to work, because they are never going to jail.

i just don't see him leaving. remember, the 25th amendment -- matt: interesting point that larry brought up about the history and how joe biden became the democrat nominee in 2020. if you go back further than that timeframe when the obamas stepped in and said it has got to be joe, what led up to that is jim clyburn. the clyburn endorsement was contingent upon joe had to pick a black woman as his vice president. all these people talking about gavin newsom being the candidate in 2024, i'm like, eh, i don't think so. good luck to the white man trying to take it away from the black woman. kurt: what about hillary? matt: oh, my god. larry: like saying "beetlejuice" three times. who here loves the chance

for hillary clinton to get back in it? if bill clinton was our first black president, that would make her technically our first black woman president. kamala could be our first black woman president, and michelle -- monica: to be clear, i want president trump to run against joe biden because he is so vulnerable. i don't want any of this to unfold, but it does us no good to not be prepared. larry: what does that mean, be prepared? him and michelle, between the two of them who beats trump? monica: we need to be prepared for the worst case scenario, and michelle obama is the worst case scenario because she poses the most threatening challenge to president trump. i had president trump on my

podcast, which everybody here should be listening to if you are not already. larry: our response to plug our stuff up here? >> "buy my book." monica: i had president on my power cast a couple months ago and i asked him -- on my podcast a couple months ago i asked him, i'm assuming you are running against joe biden, but are you prepared for all contingencies including against obama? there was a pause and he said, "yes, we are prepared for all comers, everybody." i hope that is true. she is a woman of color, she is considered iconic -- kurt: who considers her iconic? monica: the country -- kurt: i don't know, i think a lot of frustrated wine women from the suburbs do. we went through four years of

the worst president since james buchanan, a guide jimmy carter celebrates because now he is not the worst president of the last century. i don't know if it is michelle's for the taking. if she comes out, i think a lot of people are going to be puzzled and go, well -- no! monica: i hope you are right, but i fear you are wrong. matt: last time i was with president trump at mar-a-lago we talked about this, and he expects that biden will step aside, or be pushed aside, and they will try at the convention to go with kamala, and he think they will fail to get kamala -- larry: you are saying donald trump agrees with me. matt: then the question is who after kamala. that is what monica is saying about michelle obama. it could be somebody else. we do need to be prepared for it.

kurt: we agree kamala on the ticket is an absolute disaster for the democrats. she makes joe biden look like oppenheimer. [laughter] larry: without the charm. i think kamala running as vice president while joe plays out his futile term this week. if she is running as an incumbent president who has taken over and has enjoyed the honeymoon as our historic first black woman president, i think that is a strong thing. i don't think it beats trump, but it is a strong move. kurt: i would like them to think it is a strong move. definitely do it. matt: i saw a store that they have decided to put kamala in charge of fixing the biden campaign heading to the general election. kurt: woo-hoo, we are going to win! larry: that border-fixing magic. monica: on the same day that

you and breitbart were reporting that the campaign wanted to reach for kamala's advice and have her right the ship, that was the same day nikki haley was up there crying over something, and i was like, not a good day for women. your question -- i'm sorry, what was your question? matt: what do you think, kamala cannot fix-- can fix the campaign? monica: kamala cannot tie her shoelaces! she was stuck at the border. she is not doing her job, period, because she is not capable. she has imposter syndrome, and it comes out all the time where she knows she is a fraud, she knows she doesn't belong in this position. that is why the nervous laughter and the cackling, she knows she is not up to the job. biden does not have imposter syndrome. he doesn't belong there, but he thinks he does.

the two will be clinging to the white house curtains, they do not want to leave. the left's powerbrokers barack and michelle working in conjunction with the deep state, all the agencies we note are so deeply corrupt, they will make some sort of move on one or both of them. i hope i am wrong. matt: another story we saw recently is that the white house is hoping that the state of the union address coming up next week is going to help joe biden prove to the nation that the special counsel report about his memory loss is not true. kurt: he's going to prove he has no memory loss by reading off a screen? matt: he has trouble doing that. kurt: that is the insanest think, kamala harris is going to fix the campaign. kamala harris is going to fix the campaign to wait the vet is

going to fix our terrier. larry: cut the nads off the campaign? didn't mean to assume the gender of your dog. we keep saying that and breitbart breitbart --it was 15 years ago at cpac 2009, 2010, that my friend and brand-new boss andrew breitbart told me to come here, and this is my 50's time here on the stage. if it weren't-- 15th time here on the stage. if it weren't for andrew breitbart, kurt wouldn't be sitting here, matt wouldn't be sitting here. we are going to recognize the 12th anniversary of his untimely passing. since we are at cpac, cpac is so connected to breitbart, let me just say god bless you, thank you for every thing you have done for us.

[applause] true visionary. matt: i would echo everything said about andrew. andrew breitbart was a titan. larry: he would've loved to this conversation. he would've said "be meaner." matt: we were way too nice. larry: said nothing. guys like media matters -- matt: all right, thanks, guys. [applause] ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, this is

"trump's wall vs. biden's gaps." please welcome award-winning investigative reporter sara carter. chairman of the u.s. house committee on homeland security, mark green. former director of u.s. immigration and customs enforcement, tom homan. and your moderator, field reporter julio rosas. >> yay! >> here we go. >> best team. >> all right. thank you come everybody, for coming to cpac. i am julio rosas, field reporter at my sub stack. always glad to be talking about this important issue, because as we know, the border is a mess, i wonder why. we will get into that in a second.

to kick things off, chairman green, you made history with the house impeaching the first sitting -- impeaching secretary mayorkas. [applause] i wanted to ask you, because that took a long time, we talked about it last year and you are setting the stage for that. now that you have gone through the process and that has been completed, what surprised you the most in terms of what you were finding out and then what happened after the fact? rep. green: the thing that suppressed me the most -- tanks for mentioning it -- with the smoking gun. when we found the memorandum were sec. mayorkas directed the employees of dhs to break the law. and when we had that memorandum, he was essentially telling the people of dhs that the laws passed by the united states congress do not matter, and he can pick and choose whichever laws he wants to enforce. that is pretty shocking. we would have a cabinet

secretary who could disregard the constitution so much, the separation of powers, and the united states congress we are not following the law. julio: and that is the mainstream media does not view it that way. the new yorker just today profile on the secretary. it encapsulates what the chairman and i was facing. it says the chairman has been forced to respond to an influx of migrants on the border. i have likened it to we have an argument that we have to put out the fires that he started. should he get back into the white house after this year, there will be the biggest deportation operation in u.s. history, what exactly goes into

that? are you able to offer any specifics on how you are able to contend with that? rep. green: first of all, you are exactly right. for the millions of illegal aliens who have been released in this country, do not get comfortable because we are coming looking for you. as far as the backlash, i don't give a -- about what people think about me. if i offend anybody, i don't care. the bottom line is 3.3 million -- people demand to get due process.

if we are going to spend billions of dollars on this process, nine out of 10 of these people will get an order removal. there has to be a deportation operation. there is no other option. i said to joe biden the other day, you said you were going to do this. can you justify what you said? there is no justification. i said it and i will do it. if you do not do it, then you will never solve the border crisis. if there is a consequence for entering the country illegally, it is a crime and you have due process in front of a judge, if he orders you removed, you will

be removed. julio: we spent a lot of time at the border and seeing it firsthand. how can we do a better job of conveying to people because there is a of numbness to it. for the media doing the work to show what is going on at the border, what is there for us to do to kind of get further reach with how big this problem is? sara: that is a great question. i will come right off of what he was saying. there is a humane way to handle the border. those illegal aliens heading this way and for our nation, the best way is to enforce the law. when i am covering the border i think people do become numb to it. we see the hundreds, thousands

pouring across. we see people coming from all over the world basically because joe biden's policy is an open border policy so they do not plan on enforcing it. mayorkas detailed seven pages exactly how they could skirt the law. it does not matter if they have a criminal background. it does not matter if they came here three times and convicted of dui. as long as they are good now, you can let them stay. i want you to think about that. how many people have come into this country? it is not just about the apprehensions that will be over 10 million by the end of his term but i was talking to people in the intelligence community

last night about the fact that there are people we don't even know who they are that came in in the back of a truck or a crate. we don't even know them as a known getaway. they are just a getaway. they could be targeting our communities and our children right now. there is no doubt in my mind that that will happen. what i have tried to do to take away that numbness and wake people up which i try to do on fox news and on my website and what we have done with our group, order 911, i think it is very important to say this is not a border issue. this is in every single community across the country. it is the reason i talk to the people in denver where they are facing 40,000 migrants. i guess they are not illegal if joe biden let them in. people living on the streets with their children and cannot

even get a job. we are bringing people in who cannot even work. then we are handing them visas for $10,000 in new york city. here is your card, which by the way is being hacked and taken by common on networks. people are living on the streets and we have criminals robbing and pillaging our cities and we have drugs. rep. green: one of the things we also have to do is elect in our primaries candidates who actually make the border a priority. in virginia seven, an ex navy seal is running and he is in virginia and he made the border the number one issue. that is the kind of candidate we have to be supporting. people who say this is the greatest national security threat to our country and we will make it number one even though we are not in texas or arizona.

i endorse cameron. he does take the border seriously. julio: sara was talking about national security threats. you are chair on the homeland security committee. from what you have seen from briefings and other stuff you are getting as a chairman, how do people argue about the border. we had that case about the guy who was in the country for a year before we realized this is an actual terrorist and we need to go get him. from your position, how concerned are you? rep. green: americans should be scared to death. not only because of the terrorists but almost 400 in this presidency where there were 11 last time.

24,000 chinese nationals came in last year, 20,000 since october 1. the highest here before that was 1800. you don't need china with the social credit score system. but flying to south america and central america. they are paying $60,000 to the cartels which is enriching the cartels, a terrible organization. they are subhuman and we are basically feeding the money, letting these individuals come into the united states. they read the order from ukraine. not adjusting that china will be attacking the united states but if we defend taiwan, i cannot imagine there are not people who will be tracking our real heads, looking at our ports, who knows what else. we have had mass waves of chinese terrorists storming

military bases with cameras. that little baby that was crawling around on the floor in florida died because the previous tenant left fentanyl. there is not an american who is safe right now because of this open border and the failure of this secretary. julio: you have been in this field for a long time. you have been on the ground and you worked your way up. tell us about the human impact and about what has been happening. tom: i started the border patrol in 1984. i worked under six president starting with ronald reagan. for every president i worked for, even clinton and obama took some action for the border. with president trump it was unprecedented. this administration, joe biden

is the first president in history of this nation to on secure the border on purpose. people want to say the past administration, your policies are inhumane but when president trump has illegal immigration down to a 45 year low, they did a study and estimated that 31% of the women they talked to were sexually assaulted making the journey. 31%. when president trump has 90% less women coming, how many are getting raped, how many were not sex trafficked in the united states, how many pounds of fentanyl did not make it into the united states because the border is secure? president trump's policy save lives.

the biden administration says we are about humanity. since biden has been in office, we've had over hundred 12,000 dead americans with fentanyl poisonings. a 600% increase in sex trafficking of women and children. a record number of unsuspected terrorists coming across the border. another historical record. biden's policies are killing migrants at record numbers and americans in record numbers. this administration at all levels is disgusting with what they did with national security. i don't care what your opinion is on immigration. when you cause a crisis is big on purpose -- sara: it is a dereliction of duty on the president of the united states. absolutely.

julio: the interesting that has been happening over the past month with what was being put together in the senate because the white house said joe biden needs this bill that was basically lily -- that was basically an open borders bill. now the biden administration is considering we might take some executive action. you had that probably the whole time. what congressional republicans have been asking for is that you undo what you undid on day one. sara: they have complete forgotten it. i don't think the american people have forgotten it. they see it every single day in their own communities. tom brought up a really good point. this is about lives and lives lost.

american lives lost. migrant lives lost. a nation now facing one of the most historic national security crisis. mark, we have talked about this. the personal stories of loss. what are we willing to do to protect our children? somebody get here said treason. this is a dereliction of duty. it is treason. call it what you want. but it is absolutely putting everybody's life at risk. every time i go home and i see my children and i think about the fentanyl on the streets and i think about the kids who have died not even knowing that when they took a pill like a percocet that it was not percocet, that it was laced with fentanyl. those children never come home to the parents. that's the same thing you saw with china with the chairman. the movement of precursor chemicals into mexico. that is what is happening to our country and we are allowing it

to happen. this is my message and i know we do not have a lot of time and i will get right to what you were saying. we have to be the ones to stand up to this administration. we cannot rely on the media to do it for us. we need to educate ourselves. we need to go to schools. we need to go to the communities and we need to say no more. we will not allow you to do this to our country. because if we don't, frankly, we will lose our nation. this is it, folks. it is 2024. julio: that is very important. from my perspective and what we have seen, i cannot imagine the state of the country this will be if this is allowed to continue for four years. sara: and you have seen it with me. julio: mr. chairman, now that you have got these pieces done,

unfortunately you will be leaving at the end of your turn. what can you do in the meantime to keep up with the issue? rep. green: we will keep doing our oversight hearings. he is obviously impeached now. one of the things we have to determine is he has to present a budget. we are looking at the rules on how do you bring an impeached secretary in? every time we can make an issue out of it and highlight the border, hopefully there is a trial in the senate. chuck schumer does not want a trial because we are talking about the border. every time we talk about it, it hurts their candidate. that is the part of the reason we did it in five days is to educate the american people. we are just going to keep doing what we have been doing, making america aware and hopefully we will get good candidates in and we beat this guy and put donald trump in the white house.

[applause] julio: i am curious. it seems like it took a while for the rest of the country to feel the impact on this illegal migration. this past summer was new york city and chicago. we don't want all these people coming in anymore. a lot of the presidents, they sound like they are coming straight from a maga rally. do you think there will be a tipping point? tom: i think america is smart. they know this demonstration is broke. republicans do not want to sign this disastrous security bill. the house will never pass it so now they will flip the script and say we will secure the

border but republicans want to shut it down. why not one? why not ten? why 35,000? rep. green: i am a trump guy. greatest president in my lifetime. get president trump back in office. he will secure the border at the highest level this country has ever seen. thousands of criminal cartels from mexico, he will take them out. mexico is not doing anything about cartels who have killed more americans than any terrorist organization. president trump will send a hellfire rocket down there. the need to be taken out because they have killed over 100,000 americans. they have not held china accountable. this administration is sitting

back and watching this country get destroyed. when the president trump back to save this great nation. he is the guy and we need him back. [applause] julio: you have not just been to the border. you have been to other places. do you think there might be enough of the needle being pushed that people will say even on just this issue that the people we have voted for for decades do not care about us? sara: absolutely. i saw that just walking through chicago through the neighborhoods talking to people who have been directly impacted, whose community centers have been taken over as migrant facilities. in new york city, i visited one of the many schools that was taken over. ps 133, i will never forget that. they took the gymnasium andput k

single male adults just feet away from this elementary school. the men were going out at night drinking and smoking right by the elementary school. the neighbors were furious. these were people who were not predominately conservative or republican. these are independent people who i spoke to said that they were democrats. who said that they would never vote democrat again. yeah. you go to other parts of the country. you can go to dayton, ohio or franklin, ohio where i was very close with the coroner there. sadly, her office, the morgue was overflowing with bodies of young american children who were dying from overdose deaths from fentanyl to the point where a few years ago they had to put up freezers outside the coroner's office just to keep the bodies cold while she was processing it.

she was so devastated that there were tears in her eyes. she could not believe what was happening to her community. absolutely, from california to new york city, people across the country are waking up. but the most important thing is that people have hope. i think each and every one of us that are here at cpac needs to spread the word. i know it has been tough. i know 2020 was tough. i know it has been a tough ride. but we have to get up. we have to speak up. silence is our enemy's greatest weapon. we cannot be afraid. we have to talk. we have to get to the ballot boxes. we have to vote and we have to live by principle, as americans. if we give up right now, if we walk array -- if we walk away, i am afraid as i said earlier, this is the end. this is it. 2024, we have to make it happen and i believe we can with president trump. [applause] julio: as much as i would like

to continue on this, unfortunately we are out of time. thank you for being here today. good luck to the panel viewers also standing right here. thank you. sara: thank you.