for that. all of this is in the service of propping up the criminal enterprise for which donald trump is at the top and has already been twice impeached, and rudy giuliani and others have been exposed as they continue to traffic in russian disinformation that not only props up donald trump but props up vladamir putin himself and his goals back in russia and in the ukraine. i do just want to point out that, once again, as i said, when we had the false impeachment hearing a few months ago, that, once again -- >> time is expired. >> we have the hands of donald trump all of this hearing. >> just to state that you did make a mistake and said mr. -- mr. parnas was a republican witness and he is very much your witness. >> but i was a republican for

donald trump. >> pursuant to the previous and the warden with the help of facilitating access to my attorney. hunter biden did

not appear. he testified privately last month. >> i am going to turn my question to you. i hope i can see you on the screen there shortly. are you there, mr. galanis? if we can jump right into another biden-chinese deal made while joe biden was in office, a deal i think you described in your interview as a quid pro quo, were the chinese sent millions in exchange for a post bp job for president biden.

can you tell me what was burnham? >> burden was an 85-year-old financial services company in new york that owned and was a security dealer. relative to the chinese, it was an unimportant, small player. i think the scale of $1.5 billion to a $200 billion chinese company. >> so what was hunter biden's interest in working with them knowing that was the situation? >> i think hunter biden was already working with them along with harvest. and describing some of hunter's emails that i have provided to the committee, he described activity with bhr. his other focus will be the

activities between harvest directly and permit them directly in combination. so in his own words in writing, those were to be his only priority and working with the chinese. >> did you also say that he said the interest in working with bernem was to make billions instead of millions? did you say that? >> yes. i did say that on behalf of becoming a much larger company were his equity would become a lot more. >> and you said the harvest fund was a $300 billion chinese financial services company. was a connected closely to the chinese communist party and the chinese government? >> that is my understanding. >> okay. and who is henry zahl? >> he has been described to me

consistently by devon and hunter as the chairman. he is definitely the head of harvest. i think he has had a couple of different global roles over the years. but he has always been characterized as the chairman for that entity. >> right. he is the chairman of the $300 billion chinese equity connected to the chinese communist party and he was based out of work? where was this base of operations? >> in beijing, china. >> and you heard him referred to occasionally as chairman zahl. right? >> most of the time i was chairman zahl out of respect for the chairman. guess. >> there came a point where he wanted to bring henry zahl in their billions of dollars from china into business with burnham. is that right? >> that is correct. >> and why would he do that?

>> it was a financial decision. the chinese offered money and he offered political access. >> okay. >> turn off. it is pretty obvious what harvest brings. right? $300 billion. but why would harvest be interested in bernem versus other financial institutions. why would they care about this small bernem? what was the interest for them? >> the self-evident answer is the political access and underscoring that is there are at least two emails produced that talk about exactly that. the influence of what henry zhao and hunter had characterized in that the henry zhao pictures in the access vehicle.

so that was sort of explicit and in writing. >> okay. so joe biden was going to sit on the board of a chinese company connected to the highest levels of the chinese government's party and what was the deal that you and hunter brought to the table? >> it was the access and the inducement to induce companies like this harvest group to participate in bernem. it was -- let's call it relationship capital he brought to the table. not financial capital. >> relationship capital that you described as the biden lift. what was the biden left? >> the biden left was simply hunter's access to his father and his father's power and prestige and influencing the growth of a financial services business largely reliant on his reputation and his ability to attract other clients. >> i am running out of time

here but it sounds like a per quote pro to me. so harvested in fact invest in bernem. you call it a material inducement. can you explain what that means and how much the chinese government paid? >> it was towards the end of 2015. i believe they ended up paying $4 million into bernem. i believe though at a result of legal entanglement, the transaction did not happen in the way that people expected or that they had written about in terms of what the chinese were expected to do. >> all right, mr. galanis. i will show you a draft email that you provided to the committee. mr. chairman, i yelled. >> objection on time. the chart now recognizes mr. crockett for one minute -- or five minutes. >> one minute. all right. first of all, mr. bobulinski,

do you know who elections llc is? yeah. >> well it is not a who. >> you know what it is? >> yes. it is an llc. >> is at the llc that your attorney works for? >> i believe so. >> you believe so. at this time i would ask to enter into the record that the law firm representing tony bobulinski was paid $10,000 as recently as this year by the save america pact which you may recognize as chums pack. >> without objection. >> thank you. so far in this hearing, it has felt like the worst episode of the apprentice. i am sure you are familiar with that show. it seems like my colleagues i may be you and some others are trying to become the next vice president of the united states of america.

you are auditioning or something like that because, mr. bobulinski, i know you take exception to the fact that your credibility has been called into question over and over. but when someone comes to testify weather behind closed doors or in person we have to evaluate someone's credibility, and, sir, i definitely have always had issues with your credibility, as i know you are very well aware of. so let me remind you of what happened behind closed doors. i am going to ask you a question. okay? >> you are? >> i haven't. when i ask you a question that is when you answer otherwise i am talking. so with my time because it is my time, i want to be clear that when we were behind closed doors you called a number of people lawyers. you called the wall street journal liars. you called cassidy hutchinson a liar. you called the fbi a liar.

you called rob walker a liar. you called james go you're a liar. you called hunter biden a liar. you called jim biden a liar. and just that you added to your list, my colleague congressman mr. goldman, a liar as well. it seems like according to you the only person that is telling the truth is you and everyone else is lying. but i want to move on to something else. >> is that a question? >> that is not a question. you know know when i ask a question. i promise. the other thing i want to ask about is the fact that my colleague from the other side of the aisle talked about the company that we keep. and she wanted to go through a list of people that she felt like were bad company because right now the majority has been relying upon the testimony of someone who is currently sitting in a federal prison. and we know that your company is the company of somebody who has been found liable of fraud, as well as defamation.

as well as sexual assault and for some reason cannot pay his bills at this time. but i am going to ask mr. parnas, so this is a question to him, are you aware if trump had any associates that had been found guilty of anything? >> lots of them. >> me included. >> you included. so when you were called here to testify, you were not called here to testify for any other reason than to tell the truth. is that correct? >> yes. >> now, we started this whole sham off because of the 1023, and that was debunked by you. was it not? >> yes. >> way before we started this impeachment inquiry. and you mentioned a number of times this guy by the name of rudy giuliani.

>> yes. >> now, you know, everyone is so stressed about the fact that hunter ain't here today but hunter came and testify behind closed doors for over six hours and every single one of them, they were not limited to five minutes. there is a full transcript of his testimony. i do not know what else they wanted to do besides put on a show. this whole thing is based on something that giuliani came up with. and we try to subpoena him. that is what i remember. if anybody else remembers. we asked and said, hey, we should subpoena giuliani. but kind of like when we were trying to get his cell phone they shut it down. like they don't want the fax. but you would agree with me that considering the fact you are working under rudy giuliani at the time that you went over to ukraine that he has maybe some valuable information that he could offer this committee as to whether or not there is anything that we should be investigating in the first

place. >> absolutely, congresswoman. i wish this subpoena would subpoena rudy giuliani alongside me to get to the bottom of the truth about what actually happened in ukraine. it is a manipulation. >> i agree with you but somehow it does not look like we are going to get there and i thank you for your time. >> time has expired. the chair now recognizes mr. biggs from arizona. >> on may 9th, 2014, you received an email from devon archer -- or you wrote an email confirming that ms. ball arena was investing with burnham investments. is that true? >> yes. >> let's talk about the predicate for that. the richest woman in russia. and you knew her. were you invited to a party that she attended? >> yes. in portland. yes. >> and here is a copy of the

invitations that you received. is that right? >> yes. i did receive an email invitation. >> yeah. an email invitation. did you go to that party? >> i did attend that party. yes. >> and was hunter biden at that party? >> yes. he was. >> do we have a confirmation of his calendar which is the next exhibit. it was noted on there and he showed up there. and so all of that is true and verified right there. and her husband was at the party. right? >> correct. >> with devon archer as well? >> that is correct. >> and during that party you guys, hunter pulled you guys and the people you just named away from where the party just is and you go to a separate

little area where it is quieter because there were no other people at that party. is that true? >> yes. >> and all the sudden hunter said, okay, i am going to make a phone call. he makes a phone call. does he not? >> he does. >> to whom? >> his father. >> joe biden, who was vice president at the time. before you tell us, the reason you know it is because he put it on speaker phone. right? >> he did. after he said hello and then put it on speakerphone so as first party to hearing it. >> sum it up. >> i am sorry, congressman. >> please sum up that phone call for us, mr. galanis. >> it was a rough and short call. it indicated that our friend had come in from out-of-town. then he exchanged and testified

what was related to and we were going to proceed -- things were going to proceed. and he said the vice president, look after my body. >> and it was five days after that party that you received word from devon that ms. matserini was in for $15-$20 million with you? >> that is right. >> at that time he had to come in. we had a great conversation on our segment. he might join their company with one of the companies as a paid adviser. mr. archer said, did he indicate that to you? mr. archer, i don't recall but

potentially. i don't recall but potentially. i said, you don't recall but it is not new to you. the concept is not new to you. is that what you are saying? he said, no, it is not new to me. why wasn't it new to him? why wasn't it new to him? yeah. go ahead. >> it was an explicit discussion amongst us that that was an inducement to the chinese to invest in the burnham business. >> on the board of advisers, a paid board of advisers. >> the chinese company. >> and when you say us, who is the us that was discussing that? >> hunter, devon, and myself. >> let's go to something else. >> i was a lot broader circulation about that and that was reflected in an email to a staff member at thorton group

who circulated the conversation and drafted a letter based on that understanding. >> how long have you been incarcerated, mr. galanis? >> i have been incarcerated for eight years. >> then you offered to tell the district of new york and s.e.c. about hunter biden's company and they rejected your offer. didn't they? >> that is correct. >> why do you think they rejected that offer? >> i am so sorry. but answer the question. answer the question. >> all i can tell you is what counsel said to me. >> which was? >> counsel had indicated to me that he had never seen a prosecution reject the information, particularly paper- based information.

>> thank you. my time is expired. thanks. >> the chair recognizes miss bush for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. where here once again to focus on the real issues that affect our communities and set of this partisan circus. let me start that influence peddling is absolutely a very serious issue. full stop. but we all know the truth. donald trump is the quintessential influence peddler and chief. despite this, for well over a year now, house republicans have spent precious hours of committee time hearing testimony from the nearly 20 minutes of a near baseless and increasingly invasive dressing attempts to members of his family members and implicate him by association. even after all this time and effort, they have not been able to muster up any credible link between the president and his son's business dealings. all they have proven that they

will do whatever it takes including their razor thin majority and chairmanship to waste the people's time. let's let today's hearing be the final nail in the coffin of this sham investigation. i urge my republican colleagues to admit that their attempts to impeach the president have completely collapsed. with each passing deal they are losing votes and credibility, even within their own conference. it is time for them to move on but that is not likely to happen because my republican colleagues do not care about responsible government are making people's lives better. they do not have an affirmative agenda. they would rather distract us all with these unfounded allegations against the president, so it is no coincidence that under republican leadership, 2023 mark the most unproductive year in modern history for congress. aside from a failed impeachment investigation and weeks without a speaker and bringing our country to the brink of the catastrophic government shutdown multiple times,

republicans have done absolutely nothing to demonstrate why they deserve to control any member -- any chamber of congress, let alone the white house for which their cult leader, a twice-impeached, four-time and i did former president is running who wants to gain influence and control again. they are just grasping at straws and it would be comical if it was not leading to real harm and will hurt in our community. the people in our country are the ones paying the price for our failure to actually govern. instead of wasting all of our time, our hours, and hours and hours going down fake rabbit holes, we can focus on actual policies. we can focus on substance. with a focus on saving and improving the lives of our constituents. not wasting precious moments from this committee. what i would rather focus on is people who do not have the money to buy influence. the minds of people who have been harmed by the ongoing

refusal of the federal government to take full responsibility for the manhattan project waste and who are still getting sick from exposure to toxic radioactive waste that their own government created. it still lingers in communities all across the country like in st. louis, missouri, where proper cleanup store remains undone. i am a ranking member on regulatory affairs. i have repeatedly requested a hearing on manhattan project waste and its countless victims. i am still waiting. we can focus on any of the crisis is with gun violence in this country. every day, 327 people are shot in the united states. heavier, 42,006 54 people die from gun violence. more children die from guns and anything more in this country. why are we not acting to protect them? why are we not acting like this is the public health emergency that it is? we could focus on the lives of

incarcerated individuals. a currently incarcerated individual is your witness today. i applaud your inclusivity. if folks convicted of crimes can testify before congress they should be allowed to vote. why not enfranchise them? what about reproductive rights and freedom? millions of people cannot get the care that they need. people in st. louis are being forced to give birth against their will. they need abortion care like the rest of us. why not meaningfully address this issue? why not focus on the atrocities in israel? malnutrition has nearly doubled. experts warn that the famine is imminent for 1.1 million people. half the population due to catastrophic food insecurity. when we not working to prevent famine and the spread of disease and the continuous slaughter of palestinians? we do not have infinite time and resources. i will stop there and use the balance of my time. >> i want to just point to a

photo here. mr. bobulinski, you had testified that cassidy hutchinson's account that you met mark meadows then chief of staff for donald trump at a trump rally in georgia behind secret service cars. >> your time is expired. >> sir, you went over a minute late with mr. perry. we can have a little extra time. >> time is expired. the chair now recognizes mr. sessions for five minutes. >> if someone else wants to yield -- she had 8 seconds to yield. he got up there with all a speech. he has abused his privilege by making a motion that was not even a motion. the chair has rolled. the chair has rolled. the chair has rolled. >> what are you afraid of mr. chairman? what are you afraid of? >> the chair recognizes -- for what purpose do you seek recognition, mr. biggs? >> unanimous consent to introduce documents from the record. >> without objection.

>> here they are. one is the invitation that was mentioned. another's hunter biden's calendar. another is the email mentioned, confirming that she was going to invest in the $20 million. another is the 180 of the galanis interview. page 6 of the interview with hunter biden. >> without objection. so ordered into the record. >> for what purpose do you seek recognition? >> i have a motion, mr. chairman. >> percy. i would like to enter into the record the portion of the devon archer transcript where he said that elaina ballerina never had any business dealings with biden and that money went into the joint account was done by mistake. >> without objection. >> this is from front magazine. it is embarrassing. republicans have zero

accomplishments to run on in the elections. >> that is so ordered. >> mr. chairman, thank you very much. i would first like to enter into the record the 302's that were done with mr. bobulinski. exhibit 400 a. thank you for being here. thank you for being care and those of you who are appearing on our screen. mr. bobulinski, tell me very quickly about the professionalism of the organization that you work for in terms of paychecks, getting paychecks, providing the irs with documentation of people who are paid out of the organization? with documentation of people

who were paid out of the organization. >> i am not sure i am following your question. >> were you ever paid? >> i was not. >> you were never paid by this organization. >> i was not. >> did you ever receive any enumeration? >> when we were in the process of trying to shut down holdings llc and oneida holdings llc i was compensated, it wasn't compensation, it was reimbursement of $50,000 of money from out-of-pocket traveling around and paying for hotels and stuff like that. >> in other words, people did not get paid, or you didn't get paid, that you are aware of. were you aware of other people being paid? >> the biden family was paid, hunter and jim biden were clearly paid millions of dollars. >> how would you think that information would be transmitted about them receiving that payment and going to the irs? >> i am not sure of those

specifics. i am just aware they received those millions of dollars, obviously, based on the brave testimony that came public with a bunch of information, and then senator johnson and senator grassley's report. the only bank account i saw was the when i set up at j.p. morgan for oneida holdings llc. j.p. morgan was well aware of the biden family were owners in that business. they authorized and approved in. >> what social security number was utilized to set up that account? >> we had to represent the owners of the underlying entity so they were aware that, on the oneida side we represented each of us owned 20%. i would have to go back and look. as a ceo, i probably provided

my social security number. i am not sure if we provide a social security numbers for all five members. excuse me, tax ids for the llcs. >> and yet, you never received money, except reimbursement for out-of-pocket expenses related to the business. >> correct. imagine that $50,000 i was paid was actually from the legal side of the chinese mall the bidens defrauded me or were receiving millions of dollars into their own pockets. >> were you aware they were receiving millions of dollars at the time? >> i was not. >> did you spend time with the department of justice on this matter? >> i did. i had a voluntary interview with the f.b.i. on october 23, i believe, 2020. >> did you approach them? >> my lawyers coordinated me. it is public knowledge, i went to the second debate.

i flew with the see with the intent of sitting in front of senator johnson, senator grassley and their committee. my lawyers sought counsel and had discussions and decided it was a better focus of time to walk voluntarily into the f.b.i. >> where did you do that? >> washington d.c. >> main f.b.i. or the field office? >> i believe it was the leading field office. they did not want to do it in maine justice for their reasons. i would've gone wherever they asked me to go. >> did they tell you at the time you were providing information that if you provided information that was not true and correct that you could be held liable for that under criminal statute? >> of course. i appreciate you asking that question. i was operated as if i misstated or lied i was committing criminal offenses, which i take very seriously based on the fact i was willing to die for this country. just to correct the statement earlier, i didn't accuse the

f.b.i. of lying. i stated in my transcribed interview the f.b.i. made mistakes in their 302. my lawyers never saw that document after my interview until it was made public to the world. >> and then you made an attempt to correct that. >> i did. >> is that the same as the exhibit entered into the record today? >> it is. do you have any other dispute with that? >> there are numerous mistakes. >> okay. thank you very much. do you have any reason to believe that all of these sar reports that have come out of banks for all fraud? >> your time has expired. >> i mean, just the number of reports should kid every american pause. the average american will never received a single sar in their entire life. for family or individual to have over, what i public-key have seen, 150, is extraordinary. >> i want to thank all the witnesses here today. thank you very much. >>

thank you, chairman. >> if i could have my full five minutes, i would appreciate that. >> reset the clock for five minutes. >> thank you. while we clearly disagree on the merits of this meritless investigation, i hope, chairman, we can at least come to an agreement on some basics. i believe you and i can agree that presidents and white house officials should not be unduly influenced by foreign powers. chairman, i would be happy to yield to you briefly for a yes or no, can we all agree that white house officials should not be bribed or unduly influenced by foreign actors? >> it is your time.

we have witnesses here. >> i would assume you would agree. >> we have witnesses if you want to ask questions or waste time with me. >> i am not wasting time with you. we have been discarding all day. i hope we can come to an agreement that white house officials should not be bribed or unduly influenced by foreign powers. i think you and i agree. i see you nodding your head. i assume that is a yes. i am glad that we can work as an oversight committee on an investigation. and we can make sure no one in the white house have betrayed the public trust. we have spent countless hours talking about hunter biden, investigating everything a person it seems like he has ever shaken hands with. we have not found a shred of evidence that connects it to the president of the united states or anyone with any say over u.s. policy, but someone who has worked in the white house did accept money from a foreign power. donald trump's son-in-law, jared kushner, received a staggering $2 billion from saudi arabia for his brand new private equity firm. while hunter biden never had any say over you is policy,

jared kushner got this $2,000,000,000.06 months after working in the white house as a senior advisor on middle east policy. he had no experience in private equity. in fact, he was so inexperienced that saudi officials try to block the transfer of the money until the crown prince overruled them. while working at the white house, jared kushner pushed through a $110 billion weapons deal for saudi arabia. i am finishing my point. he then defended the deal in the wake of the saudi government 's murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. while this may all just be a coincidence, there are many questions like, was any of this money passed along to trump? was a saudi money a thank you for a job well done in the white house? was he given this money in exchange for anything else? or did someone with no experience just have a lucky payday?

these are questions we should have answers to. the oversight committee should look into a. >> add another question. what was the role that jared kushner played in covering up the assassination and dismemberment of jamal khashoggi? >> we should absolutely asked that question. thank you. i want to know, if hunter biden had accepted $2 billion from the saudi government, i am sure we would look into that today. mr. chairman, i believe we can agree there should not be undue influence in the white house. i believe we should be able to agree that we should look into these questions about mr. kushner. in fact, you are on cnn and said "i have been a vocal, i have been very vocal that i think what kushner did cross the line of ethics." and then in our disposition of hunter biden the other day, when we were discussing mr. kushner, you said "when we deal with influence peddling, we will ask about jared kushner." today's hearing is titled influence peddling. we are here.

mr. homer, i would love to hear from you, can we fulfill our responsibility as an oversight committee and determine if saudi arabia bribed or unduly influenced jared kushner or other white house officials? is that something we would be willing to look into? >> we already had a conversation. we have pledged to work on influence peddling legislation. we will take up all the people who have been accused of influence peddling. we will try to determine whether jared kushner has a real business. we have not been able to find a real business that the bidens have had yet. still your time. >> so could we expect to subpoena mr. kushner's financial transactions between himself and his father-in-law? is that something we would consider doing as part of that hearing you discussed? >> what was the question? >> if we are serious about looking into foreign money, i saw recently a poster board

here about $100,000 to a car dealership, are we going to be serious about the $2 billion from the saudi government to mr. kushner? my question is, what we at least subpoena his correspondence with the saudi government and his financial records? >> it is important to see if there were there -- real legitimate businesses. let me ask you a question. what business was hunter biden in? >> we heard explicitly for mr. biden and from -- about his extensive business record and experience on boards. we heard about that. jared kushner, on the other hand ash >> that's a shame. >> i would like to enter into the record an article. the second article titled prosecutor general shokin resigns. to so order. >> i sat in on the entire 7

plus hour deposition hunter biden gave to this committee. one of the things that stood out to me was his assertions with a rather braggadocio flare of his business experience and acumen and impeccable qualifications. he claimed with quite some vigor, i might add, that he was a brilliant, accomplished and highly sought after business commodity. a very successful and unparalleled resume. that was the faces lawyers, this administration and the democrats wanted him to where. of course, there is another possibility. one that is a pesky thing we call reality. he was a spoiled, entitled, east coast patrician with a senator mvp daddy who squandered his many life advantages and spiraled into a decadent behavioral pattern of narcissistic excess and criminal addiction.

to feed his very large carnal appetites, he acted as his family's bagman in and influence peddling an axis selling scheme that netted the biden tribe over $24 million in illicit foreign cash. lots of money, little effort in a get rich quick scheme. if he was such a skilled and gifted businessman, as he claims, his services would be sought after, in fact, even fought over. mr. bobulinski, to your knowledge, how many fortune 500 companies retained hunter biden on their board of directors? >> i can't confirm any. >> because there aren't any. zero. how many energy companies retained hunter biden -- i'm sorry, how many american energy companies retained hunter biden? >> zero. >> correct.

there was one energy company that retained him on their board of directors. do you know the name of that company? >> burisma. >> where is it located? >> ukraine. >> that is interesting. he was hired actually for no small sum, $1 million a year. hunter biden said in his deposition, i apologize 11, he said his corporate governance to be brought to the table. he brought something far more valuable. he brought his daddy with him. joe biden just happened to have been given the country of ukraine in his portfolio to oversee by the obama administration. let's go over facts. back, burisma ceo have been investigated for corruption. in september 2015 then u.s. ambassador to ukraine specifically mentioned burisma as a corrupt entity. back, burisma was paying the son of a vice president of these united states $1 million a year to serve on their board. fact, december 2015 joe biden visits ukraine and him as a prosecutor general who is investigating burisma be fired. facts, february 2, 2016 ukraine reports tragedy for -- shokin.

two weeks later, fact, shokin resigns. president poroshenko called on him to resign. essentially was fired at the behest of joe biden. fact, two weeks later, there is a little email sent from coo of burisma and to hunter biden asking him, hey, we help us out? we want to get the u.s. embassy in ukraine to say we are good company. now, the ambassador just said they were corrupt a few months prior to that. lo and behold, with the seal of the united states empathy, they say we have no negative information or feelings about burisma. what changed in those six months? it was magic. the power of the vice president 's visit when he demands that his son's boss, or the

prosecutor investigating his son's boss, be fired, and he is going to withhold $1 billion worth of aid, actually loan guarantees, if shokin is not fired. and then tran34 is fired. the embassy says burisma is a great company. our democratic colleagues believe it was all magic. no coincidence. with that, i yield the balance of my time. >> i appreciate the gentleman yielding. i will point out that jared kushner was one of the key officials involved in the abraham accords. if we want to talk about influencing -- how about the president of the united states, what he said in a state of the union regarding israel? how about with the democrat leader of the senate said last week and that israel should change its prime minister for goodness sake? that is a concern. jared kushner was doing good work with the abraham accords. of course, the democrats don't want to admit that.

>> mr. chairman, i have a motion. i would move pursuant to clause of rule 11 that the committee issue a subpoena to jared kushner to compel testimony related to the $2 billion collected from saudi arabia after his service within the white house. >> second. >> there is a motion and second. for what purpose? >> i moved to table the motion. >> a motion, the motion to table is not debatable. as many as are in favor of tabling signify by saying. all those opposed say no. in the opinion of the chair, the motion to table is agreed to. the committee now resumes consideration of this hearing. chair recognizes -- who's next? >> thank you. it is fair to say at this point that republicans on this committee are relying on mr.

bobulinski as their star witness. the only fact witness they have brought in in person before the committee. i think we would all expect that mr. bobulinski would have extensive inside knowledge about the involvement they alleged that president biden and hunter's business ventures. previous impeachment inquiries relied on whistleblowers and witnesses with intimal -- intimate details. first-hand accounts. to point to exactly what the allegations were and understand what was going on. there were laid out chains of events pointing to a names crime, lying under oath, obstruction of justice, abuse of power, incitement of insurrection. yet we are left floundering here with zero direction zero real evidence while we watch this kangaroo court struggle to continue on.

today we have mr. bobulinski, whose biggest contribution is that he had "multiple meetings" with joe biden. let's be clear, he spoke with joe biden, a grand total of two times in the span of less than 24 hours in 2017 and each was short. one in public in the bar of the hotel, and then for a few minutes backstage at a conference after biden spoke about the efforts to fight cancer, which took the life of his son. i think we also need to clarify that wall mr. bobulinski is all of a sudden today claiming they talk to business, a new point that at no point did he mention this under oath during his deposition. at two different points when asked about what was said in these conversations, his account made clear he had zero substance and business discussions with joe biden. mr. bobulinski described those conversations twice during his transcribed interview and both times he provided the same account . i will read from the transcript of your interview, mr. bobulinski. you stated that you and joe biden discussed your "family background and the biden family background and joe biden's appreciation for the military." based on your own account, you

had zero discussion of cefc, the chinese energy company. you had zero discussion on shares of equity or capitalization of this failed business venture. based on her own account, you simply exchange pleasantries about your families and shared values, the kind of small talk any person would make if they had the opportunity to meet the former vice president of the united states. yet today, when my republican colleagues are so desperate for actual evidence, magically the story changes. that is at the heart of everything we are discussing today. mr. bobulinski has also been pushing his texts as proof, but the wall street journal found none of it showed any role for joe biden and even fox news reported there was zero evidence of business dealings involving joe biden. mr. bobulinski would have us believe that everyone is a liar except him. except for when he is under oath, everyone miss remembers,

except for him, and except for when he is under oath. the f.b.i., wall street journal, his business associates, all liars. republicans on this committee and the culture wars of fox news keep saying, look at the documents. so let's look. this purported investigation has received over 100,000 pages of documents, and not a single one shows any evidence of any wrongdoing, much less an impeachable offense. taking a step back, even if joe biden had discussed his son's business ventures with mr. bobulinski in 2017, and this is rhetorical, so what? what would be the high crime or misdemeanor? what would be the impeachable offense? we are talking about what private citizen hunter biden was doing with his time with his, at the time, private citizen that. this is not about facts or evidence. it is not it that even about offenses . it is about keeping the american people distracted

while we do nothing are reforming our criminal legal system. this has been the least productive congress in decades. we just now, in march, finally finding the government for this year. that is shameful. this unserious hearing is a waste of our time and resources. i yield the remainder of my time . >> i just want to make sure that i point out, and this is not a question, just in case you wanted to know, that on page 174 of your transcribed interview line 9, it says this is an absolute lie, in reference to talking about the f.b.i. >> i did not call the f.b.i. agent liars. i said a misstated -- >> i did not ask you a question. first of all, it doesn't say you told the f.b.i. this is a summary of two agents that took notes for my interview other summary. apparently they presented, mr. bobulinski first met in person with members of the biden family at a 2017 meeting in

miami, florida. this is an absolute lie. that is what it says. the final thing i will say is about this. what we have from a republican. i don't think the impeachment abided is appropriate. and so, house speaker mike johnson's ability to talk me into staying here is going to be about as successful as his ability of talking to -- me into an unconstitutional impeachment. >> on july 30, 2017 hunter biden were to his chinese business associate, i am sitting here with my father, we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. mr. bobulinski, why did mr. zhou work -- who did he work for when this message was sent? >> he worked for director zang at cefc. >> is not connected to the chinese communist party? >> it is. >> is a corrupt organization.

>> it was. >> from your perspective, what had occurred with cefc from the end of may until this text message? >> it is tough to go through the details and 22nd clips, but at the end of july, it is important to note jim biden was broke, hunter biden was broke, published by the brave whistleblower, and hunter made the conscious decision to basically defraud the partners of oneida because he needed money immediately. they publish pages of text messages where he is trying to get money into his bank account. that night, for whatever reason on the 30th when he asked, why hasn't the commitment been fulfilled, the commitment he is talking about is actually the $10 million funding into sino -- sinohawk holdings llc. the next day he decides he is going to defraud the holdings

and oneida, and create a new entity, change hudson west that was created by the chinese, and make himself a 50% owner in that entity so when the chinese did send money, he would have instant access. really important. backed up with tens of pages of communications. he wanted to get access to the money the second it came in. sinohawk holdings and oneida, he did not have that power. want to address one thing real quick. hunter biden represents that he is a governance expert and that is why burisma put him on the board. he obviously can't do basic math. the board of oneida holdings had seven votes. each one of them, hunter, jim biden, rob worker had a single vote. i have three votes. i have a masters degree in electrical and nuclear engineering. i can do math. i have three, they have four.

they controlled oneida holdings. hunter biden's representations that i was trying to take the business from them or didn't know is all a sham and misrepresentation. he wanted money in his account instantly, and that is why he shook down the chinese, and they were willing to send him the $5 million because they viewed it as a bride to the biden family -- bribe to the biden family. >> are you aware if they pay taxes on any of that? >> i can only go from public testimony. is not involved in their taxes. >> the next day hunter says he hopes kevin should know that the plan to speak is highly confidential. and mr. zhou responded, cefc is willing to cooperate with the family on the priorities mentioned last night. what family was he talking about? >> the family was the batting that's biden family. more importantly, what he is talking about in the confidential manner.

they were four seld and desmet -- indictments where they were about to indict executives of cefc that we now know . mcgonigal, who will now apparently served 78 months in prison, ran counterintelligence for the f.b.i. in new york city where the chairman was dropping $50 million of cash for penthouses in manhattan. who you should be asking all these questions are the department of justice, the fdny, the f.b.i. because they have troves of evidence that backup what was going on in july 2017, and then august 2017. i apologize, congressman, to be so passionate and take your time, but this is what i need you guys to focus on. this involved the chinese communist party. they were doing a transaction with a russian sanctioned, u.s.

sanctioned company at the time. the biden family was right front and center in the middle. >> thank you. switching gears for a second, i wish hunter biden were here because i would like to ask about his taxes. i want to know if he paid his fair share, just like his dad is asking americans to do. i want to know if he is current on his taxes, and if not, i would like to ask him when he plans to pay out. mr. bobulinski, you are a businessman. did you pay your taxes? >> i did. >> unlike the president's so. yet democrats act like hunter is the believable one out of you to. joe biden has no right to lecture the american people about their taxes until he gets his own house in order. >> how are you doing? good? okay. mr. bobulinski, over here. i have a question. we have been at this for 15 months now in oversight. i know this is your first time here. do you think chairman comber has proven that joe biden has

committed a high crime and misdemeanor? >> i believe with all the evidence he has gathered, yes, he has proven joe biden has committed high crimes and misdemeanors. >> i assume you believe joe biden should be impeached. >> that is up to you guys. >> but do you believe he should be impeached? yes or no? >> personally or constitutionally? >> personally. >> i do. do you believe that because you believe chairman comer has proven he committed a high crime and misdemeanor. >> you know, because i know he did. i was involved and saw them happen. >> but obviously, with all the evidence, you must believe that all of these hearings for 15 months that the chairman has proven that, right? >> can you re-ask the question? >> i will sum it up. i assume you believe he should be impeached. my point is that, the chairman has not yet moved for that. and so, look chairman, we have 3 1/2 minutes here. i mean, let's do the impeachment.

why continue to waste millions of dollars of the tax payer's money if we are going to impeach because you believe you have shown he is committed a high crime and misdemeanor? what you waiting on? let's just do it. i mean, we have chairman jordan here also. why are you guys calling for the vote in your committee? when will it happen? >> -- when can we tell the american people you will stop wasting their money? >> we don't do snap impeachments like you guys. we actually do the facts in oversight. >> you are never going to call for a. you are never going to call for a. but now you can predict the future. >> you guys only have six more months in power until the elections.

are you going to do it in two or three months? a tell the american people. >> does the constitution put a time limit on oversight? i didn't read that in the constitution. >> if you believe you can't call for the impeachment now, you are admitting you haven't yet proven he has committed a high crime and misdemeanor. you have improved it yet. >> we are doing our work. >> okay. they have not proven it. they haven't proven he committed a high crime and misdemeanor. otherwise, we would call for impeachment. the chairman knows me well. i'm just here to help him. i think we should do it today. let's just call for a. i will make the motion. i want to help you out. you can second. make a motion to impeach president biden. go ahead. your term. you second. nothing. okay. we got nothing. i want to show the american people that they are never going to impeach joe biden. it is never going to happen. they don't have the evidence. this is a show. it is all faith. they just want to do these -- fake. it is not leading to impeachment. airline to their base on newsmax and fox, leading people to believe they will eventually impeach the president. it is not going to happen ever.

period. there even have the votes, even if they had in committee, they don't have the votes on the floor. they know that. they have members resigning rather than taking a vote on the fake impeachment. does ask ken buck who said the speaker ain't going to get me to take an unconstitutional impeachment vote. boy, i mean, so look. i mean, if these hearings were a success, if what we have been doing the last 15 months had convinced the american people that joe biden committed a high crime and misdemeanor, you can be sure they would've called the vote by now. but they wanted it to my. they either wanted to go on because i don't have the evidence -- >> are you asking me a question. >> no. but we can talk. >> i think you have not read recent data that shows american people are well aware of the

bidens corruption. >> so asked the chairman why he has not called for impeachment? he is right here. i will do a. watch. chairman, haven't -- how come you haven't call for the impeachment? when is a vote going to happen? you believe it but he believes it. he says it every day on tv. i just don't know when we will have the vote. let's just go. >> are you asking me to hold the vote? >> i am just looking at you. we can save the taxpayers millions of dollars. are used all of my time to show that this vote is never going to happen. they have no evidence on joe biden. i yield back. >> restart the clock. >> he served in prison for a felony.

keep talking. >> do you want to go to that one? >> apologies. >> are we good? >> now we are. >> mr. galanis, you've heard the expression, say it, forget it, right it, regret it. have you heard that expression? mr. galanis? >> have you heard say it, forget it, right it, regret it? >> i have. it was a practice we used in our business. >> whose business? >> business with hunter biden and devon archer. >> it was their expression. let me ask you a question. who is you sent?

>> a ukrainian investor, i long- time colleague of dymitri firtash. he was mentioned earlier at the hearing. who is dymitri firtash? >> he is a ukrainian oligarch close to the kremlin that made his fortune primarily trading gas with a russian oil and gas company. >> connected to vladimir putin? >> very much so. >> during hunter biden's deposition with the committee, he justified his role, i think you will find this comical, he justified his role on the ukrainian burisma board by saying, in essence, it was his patriotic duty that he was serving, you know, freedom, because there were two asked

companies inside ukraine at the time, one of them a state owned which is highly corrupt and connected to people like dymitri firtash which was directly going into vladimir putin's pocket. the only independent company was burisma. now, my question to you, based on this, he is disparaging dymitri firtash, but are you aware that hunter biden did business with him? >> yes. >> let me ask you. what kind of financial transactions occurred between them? >> what was described to me was a $5 million payment that was made by dymitri firtash , handled through hunter biden's law firm. that was a success the for an outstanding indictment in the united states. >> so april and connected russian oligarch wired over $5 million to hunter biden's law

firm for what activity? what was hunter supposed to do for that? >> he was supposed to perform in quashing the indictment that resulted in an arrest warrant for dymitri firtash . >> being charged in the united states. he was supposed to quash that and uses political influence to do so. my question is, of that money, $3 million minutes later company you set up with devon archer called in bloom. is that correct? >> that's correct. >> from the $3 million, there was a transfer that was made, and i have a copy of that record to prove that, of $275,000. do you recall that transfer? >> i do. >> it went to which account? >> rosemont seneca bohai.

>> despite what hunter said during his deposition, based on your knowledge, with hunter biden connected to rosemont seneca bohai? was he part owner? >> very much so. he said as much and had direction and control. eight -- he was a beneficiary of the account. there are emails that he directed money to himself. >> it sounds like, despite what he is saying, what he told the committee, that this guy was a bad hombre, basically. he was connected to putin, and therefore, he had to get in ukraine. and yet, he had no problem doing business for this corrupt russian oligarch connected to putin. in fact, he had no problem taking $5 million in a direct -- and a direct transfer. >> i agree with that. >> mr. bobulinski, i have just

a little bit of time left. sorry. i want to ask you, for god sake, hunter biden is doing all of these transactions, all of this business, and yet, his father is vice president. we are to believe his father isn't aware of all of these -- he has been on the phone calls and in the meeting, and he is not aware his son is doing business with people connected to vladimir putin? are we to believe that? >> it is an absurd expectation. >> thank you. my time is expired. >> the claims made against the president of the united states have been so completely proven to be lies that even house republicans now are admitting it is time to close this case. mr. parnas, i have a few

questions for you. i want everybody to know, especially people watching at home, that you are like one of the most credible witnesses we have had throughout this entire impeachment inquiry. first off, i want folks to know, for people who are not familiar, tell me who you are working for between 2018 and 2019. >> rudy giuliani and donald trump. >> to be clear, you answer to rudy giuliani. >> yes. >> you answered to donald trump directly. >> directly to rudy giuliani. >> the former president trump and rudy giuliani flew to ukraine to look for corruption on the part of president biden, did you find any? >> no. >> following your ukraine trip, senate republicans, senators grassley and johnson released the burisma report which new york times concluded was "unproven allegations that echo an active russian disinformation campaign." are the unproven allegations that are at the heart of the republican report the same fabricated claims of the donald trump and rudy giuliani sent

you to ukraine to dig? >> yes. >> last summer you wrote a letter to congress noting that when the media started to get tired of the smokescreens and using this, one of the authors of the republican burisma report would be your "guy in the senate to push all the information." what did you mean by that? >> senator ron johnson was our guy in the senate. it was told to me that when we pushed information he would push it in the halls of congress. >> someone the media was getting skeptical about pressuring this information after they proved it wrong time and time again, the plan was to have a u.s. senator, ron johnson, push that disinformation even further. >> correct. we had congressman nunez already doing. senator ron johnson jumped on board. >> the chairman have center this entire hearing on the f.b.i. tip sheet that made while claims about bribery that didn't even come close to being

backed up. in fact, it is all being proved to be a big lie. mr. parnas, is the allegation in the f.b.i. tip sheet based on the same fabricated claims that donald trump and rudy giuliani flew you to ukraine to dig? >> yes. >> i also want to make it clear that the informant allegedly behind this tip sheet is facing criminal charges for lying about the biden family and was a known fraud for years before that. the same fabricated claim kept popping up and getting smacked down over and over again. in fact, our colleagues at the foreign affairs committee did amazing work on this and found that the fly dates back to december 2015, almost 10 years ago. do you happen to know the article i am referring to? >> i don't know the exact article, but i do know that it started back in 2015. >> the article was titled "the ukrainian scam of the biden family." it was posted to a russian language media website registered in russian occupied crimea.

mr. parnas, do you have any doubt this fabricated claim, the claim that donald trump and rudy giuliani sent you to ukraine to dig more information on, as part of russian propaganda in an effort to destabilize ukraine and undermine our democracy? >> as i sit here today, i have zero doubt that russia is involved. this is a russian campaign to interfere in our elections. >> thank you. i appreciate it from someone with first-hand experience. to recap, there is no evidence to support allegations at present by engaged in corruption in ukraine. we know this. mr. parnas, himself, has made it clear we have no doubt, we should have no doubt the claims of corruption are lies and conspiracy theories rooted in a russian effort to undermine our democracy, posted to a russian language website over a decade ago.

this is exactly what putin wants. over the years, republicans have kept moving the goal post. look at the past year. first it was a bribe, that it was burisma, nothing, that it was hunter biden, his laptop, nothing but new depicts we keep seeing here, then a money- laundering scheme that turned out to be a family member making a couple of car payments. now republicans on this committee have left the pretense of a crime behind and are moving the goal post to influence peddling. it sounds more like what former president donald trump did in his time in office. we have been laughing a lot about this, calling it theater and a sham, which it is, but i also want to bring up that this is really serious. i mean, we have members of congress and this committee using russian propaganda meant to undermine our democracy, to undermine our president, not just theater are laughable, but it is a betrayal of democracy. >> very serious. >> well, hunter asked for a public hearing, here we are. he is nowhere to be found but i guess hiding really runs in the

biden family. mr. bobulinski, in your testimony you state "it is clear to me joe biden was a brand being sold by the biden family. " in your experience, what is the value to joe biden helping his family collect millions from foreign adversaries? >> what is the value to joe biden specifically? his children and brothers were enriched. to the questions earlier, that violates rico statutes, fairness statutes. >> you would agree the biden family was involved in this corruption and influence peddling and selling access to the federal government. >> i do. >> mr. bobulinski, in your experience, did president biden play a more active or passive role in his son hunter biden's business dealings? >> i quantified it previously as him acting sort of like a chairman. he shored -- he showed up and

shook hands. that is all the chinese, ukrainians, romanians, russians, whoever, canadians,, that is what they need. >> i am going to switch to mr. galanis. then candidate for president joe biden said his son did not make any money from china. that he lied? >> yes. >> mr. galanis, you are aware of the bhr fund that consisted of bohai, a chinese backed company , harvest, and rosemont, the biden entity. correct? >> yes. >> you are aware that hunter biden formally held 10% of that chinese entity. what a surprise you that hunter biden held 10% of this entity well into his father's presidency? >> i am aware that he owned 50%

or 10% directly from the outset from early on in 2014. >> what it surprise you that hunter biden's attorney to has testified he now holds that interest? >> i don't have any knowledge about that. not much of this would surprise me. >> mr. bobulinski, in your testimony you stated the chinese communist party through cefc successfully sought to infiltrate and compromise the obama -white house that continued when joe biden left office. would you agree this is a serious threat? >> i do. >> joe biden has leveraged his elected position to enable the family and their companies to receive over $24 million from foreign nationals and their companies -- and their related

companies. biden is compromised. he is a threat to our national security. after today, it is clear joe biden is a bigger ccp asset then herself. will we ever come to the agreement that it is far time the congress hold the resident of the white house accountable for selling out the american people? unfortunately, my colleagues to my left have highly -- have a highly coveted may in china product, a brand, joe biden. i yield the remainder of my time. >> mr. parnas, how much time did you spend in prison? >> four months. >> but you were indicted for crimes that result in you spending 50 years in prison. >> right. they were false. the judge saw through it. >> you went to trial and were convicted. >> i went to trial. correct. >> the crime was that you were

trying to acquire marijuana licenses and took money from a russian oligarch and tried to use that money to give political donations into what you had to do to acquire the licenses. is that right? >> that is what the indictment was. >> sales like everyone here today, the only one working for a russian oligarch was you. right? >> i was. it is public information. >> i just heard you wax poetic. >> i got paid $200,000. you know. >> you said you were here to warn us, but you were working for a russian oligarch. then you didn't even do it. the fraud you committed against the russian oligarch was that instead you spent the money on yourself. was that what you were doing? >> that was at the fraud. that is alive. >> that is what you were convicted of. instead of spending 50 years in prison, you got four months. i look forward to hearing what mr. galanis thinks about how he

was treated by the doj for telling the truth as opposed to how you are treated for lyme. >> the doj didn't listen to the truth. >> the question -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> the truth for you is taking money from russians to buy marijuana businesses and then going to jail and coming here to lie about trumpet you should know better than anybody. you should know better than anybody. >> thank you so much. it is so exhausting. this is really incredibly exhausting. i can't imagine our residents sitting at home. every time i look up and see our former chairman, elijah cummings, our first ever hearing in this room was about the high cost of insulin. i think one of the first witnesses was a mother of twins who had to ration her insulin and lost a child because she could not afford it. i still remember our previous chairwoman you really did a

phenomenal job continuing to talk about the opioid crisis and how the sackler family -- sackler family was part of a scheme to increase addiction. people losing family members because of profit, because of folks that were literally drug dealers in suits. all of that to say, this house oversight committee, from our committee hearings on the postal service, which really matters to constituents, the high cost of prescription drugs, the housing issues, the number of struggles and challenges for everyday americans. i say this sincerely, i know, because, what a waste of time. what a waste of time. just even some of the colleagues of my folks here continue to say this is a waste of time. i mean, the representative

said, i don't think we have the will to impeach joe biden. just for the record, impeachment is it something you have a will to do. it is something you have to have evidence to do. that brings me -- you know, you heard about, when the staff tells you they can't identify a particular crime, there is a problem. it's a problem. i mean, you can go on and on. one top republican admits there is no approachable offense that shows biden acted improperly. it goes on and on. former oversight chair users on judiciary committee now says there is no clear sense of where the impeachment inquiry is going. it goes on and on. look, you all, this is an incredibly important committee. we could be doing some phenomenal things and holding the biden administration on a number of issues.

i want to know about the american rescue dollars and where that money is being used. is a being used towards public health or towards a crisis that continues to happen with long covid symptoms? these are things we can do right now. but we are not. we are doing this over and over again. it is a waste of time. literally, every time i talk to my constituents about this, they don't bring this a, what is is going to be over with? i told them, my colleagues do not know how to leave the campaigning at the steps of the capital. will be coming here, we have to put that aside and work for our constituents. work on getting some sort of understanding where we can prioritize making sure that we have access to clean water, what is going on with the lead abatement program, talking about challenges we continue to see in the healthcare system. all of that. again, we can hold the biden administration on a number of issues that we can see eye to eye on it say we need to use

this committee to open it up and be the watchdog committee we are. instead, we are wasting the time of the american people doing this. this is awful. for them to see us going back and forth like this, it is so disenchanting for them. you will wonder why the numbers out there, favorability towards congress are so low. they really have no faith in us. because of this. this is the kind of stuff we do. when literally my folks are literally fighting for the right to breathe clean air and figure out how they could afford asthma inhalers. yet we are here wasting the peoples time. >> will be gentlelady yield? >> i say this who is a social worker at heart. we could do so many things bipartisan on this committee. i know it. i think right now we are really missing out on an opportunity to do that. we really are. i yield. >> there is a question i want

to ask you. you have had tremendous success in trying to clean up dirty water across america. we can actually get things done, right? >> absolutely. i know my colleague on the other side, we all have a clean water crisis. we could literally bring in folks from the epa, bring folks into this chamber right now and ask where the biden administration is on the development of their lead abatement initiative. these are the things i think very much many of local elected and state folks are asking. what can we do as members of congress to basically have more transparency on where the priorities are? i say this sincerely to all of you. we can do better. we deserve to do better. i remember chairman cummings constantly reminding us that we can be better. >> before recognize, for what purpose does representative

mclean seek recognition. >> i would like to enter something in the record. my friends on the other side of the aisle are desperately trying to deflect from the biden family. they are attacking president trump and his family. i would like to enter into the record and article, jared kushner and hunter biden are nothing alike. here are the facts. thank you. >> so ordered. >> one of the inconsistencies i have seen is what is on a text message, mr. bobulinski , with mr. zhao and what hunter biden testified to in his own deposition. this is infamous. please have the director call me, not james, not you or jim, have him call me tonight. i'm sitting here with my father. we have talked about this a lot. in response, he says, copy, i will call you on whatsapp.

and hunter biden's testimony on page 105 he states that the mr. zhao he sent this to was not the one connected to cefc. what do you say about that? >> i think what he is simply saying is that he made a mistake, not that he meant to send that text message, because it is crystal clear that message was meant for the interpreter for the director at cefc, but i think he tried to obfuscate in his testimony that, technically, maybe he made a mistake and texted it to the wrong person. i can't speak to whether he corrected that. i do know based on the communications that he got on the phone with mr. zhao and set the record that straight and went through what he thought he was sending him in that message because it is followed up where they say they step two is a, we will cooperate with the family. why? because effectively they were bribing the biden family to help them with the four unsealed indictments from the

fdny. >> you said he was an interpreter, but he was more than that. >> he was like a chief of staff. >> he was the handler for the cefc business. >> he spoke good english. >> to the extent this was the wrong zhao, if i get a text message and it is a different russell, i will say, you have got the wrong guy. >> i believe henry zhao, his argument is he sent it to henry. i'm assuming there's a text message somewhere were either henry responded , i think you meant that for someone else. >> is that he said, i will call you on whatsapp. if you were perplexed by a random text message. >> that is actually raymond zhao. >> that is what i am saying. the issue that he brings up, though, is that he was confused that it was the wrong zhao. i want to ask a couple more

questions. hunter biden's transcript page 42, he said, i officially began to work for cefc when i received a retainer from cefc in early or spring of 2017. is that true? >> it goes back to the word official . he is parsing words. hunter biden started working for cefc in the fall of 2015 and works for comer -- cefc throughout 2016. that was confirmed by him, by rob walker, numerous face-to- face conversations. >> so this is not true. on page 48, hunter is asked, he is never interacting with any of your business associates. is that correct? he is referring to joe biden. is that true? >> that is alive. >> hunter lied to the committee about important details concerning his money, demands and threats to cefc based on this whatsapp message right here. on page 105, hunter states " my father had no awareness. my father had no awareness of

the business i was doing." is that true? >> that is alive. >> he also talked about how joe biden lied extensively through his own testimony. >> no, and i am shocked that an attorney allowed him to say that three different times. >> right, when pressed he doubled down on that. >> his got excited and his lawyer had to calm him down and he continued to lie about it. >> bid ep states it was hunter biden, myself, i don't know, the five, okay. and everybody was 20%, okay, you know what? you know it was never executed, never signed. he is referring, of course to the contract or the agreement

s. that true? >> that is a lie. he documented it, as did hunter and james and bob walker and myself. >> thank you for your testimony today. yours is the consistent, the consistent testimony throughout this process unlike the other people who have come before the committee with that mr. chairman, i yield back. >> very good. mr. chairman, when elijah cummings reminded us our role was efficient of the truth. this has gone 15 months, 10,000 documents and 11,000 hours too long and we got a lot of ground to cover here. thank you for being here. last year you wrote a long letter to chairman detailing your role in the quote campaign orchestrated by giuliani and trump to dig up dirt on the bidens and spread

misinformation about them through various networks, government officials, journalists and fox news personnel, unquote. when that campaign failed to find dirt because, well, there was no dirt to be found, the former occupant of the white house demanded that ukrainian officials announce investigations into the biden family. in order to smear joe biden prior to the 2020 election, yes or no, before they tasked you to try to find dirt on the bidens in ukraine did you ever interact with mr. trump? >> before they asked me? yes. many intersections. >> in late 2018 you attended a holiday party at trump's white house as shown in this picture. can you describe your interactions with donald trump during this party? >> yes, we came to the event. a hanukkah party. rudy giuliani joined us. we were supposed to all go to the residents but at the last second rudy asked for us to

wait and he would meet trump himself and update him. he went to meet trump at the residents, we waited at the white house. eventually when trump came down to make the speech, secret service says the president wants us to wait for him in the red room. we waited in the red room to wait for him to finish the speech and he approached me and shooked my hand and said rudy tells me great things, continue with the good work, thank you, and continued with the pictures >> when he said keep up the good work what did it refer to? >> it was him and giuliani to go find victor. >> did you interact with trump again or cut off from interacting with him? >> after the trip to ukraine we were cut off because then blt

team was formed and the line of communication started to go through rudy giuliani because they did not want anyone to notice me with him because i was in ukraine doing the stuff. >> is it fair to say mr. parnas you were no longer allowed to interact with trump to create a buffer with trump and giuliani. >> i was told that. i was told that. you are going to stop going to the events, private events while you are doing this. >> i see. >> so, despite trump's efforts to insulate himself from associating with you as you sought evidence for biden you maintained your contacts with individuals in trump's inner most circle including donald trump jr, correct? >> absolutely, yes. >> the saying goes, a leopard can not change his spots, you are a prime example of trump welcoming people into his

circle and creating distance, or appearance from it as he relies on them to conduct improper acts. now trump demanded biden be impeached in attempt to win the 2024 election by promoting the same lies about biden, the rumors in russia's propaganda effort to influence efforts and undermind ukraine during a vicious russian invasion, i yield to mr. goldman. >> thank you very much. i want to get back to this photograph here. that i got cut off from before. you mr. bobulinski called a lot of people liars, six fbi agents. >> i did not call them liars >> i am talking. if you go to . >> you know better mr. goldman >> go to page 174, you tuesday is not an accurate statement and it is a lie. >> i don't have time.

be quiet. now, this is a photo that was provided by cassidy hutch inson after you called her a liar when she said you met with mark meadows and received an envelope. do you see this photo, do you acknowledge that is mark meadows in the red hat? >> didn't you tell me to be quiet? [ laughter ] >> i asked a question do you acknowledge is that mark meadows. >> no. >> maybe your person can walk it closer? >> 15 seconds over. yes. let me just ask you briefly is that you and mr. meadows by secret service cars with you in a mask. >> are you kidding? i am sitting 20 feet away. >> and your time expired. could he just answer the question? >> what i see in this picture is a secret service agent five

feet from me with a full mask on and a secret service agent sitting in a cadillac escalate with all of the windows up with a full mask on. is that you talking to the person in the red hat. >> is that you talking? >> why don't you ask me this. did i meet mr. meadows at a rally. i being knowledge that. >> oh, you dough. >> okay. but hutchinson is a liar. >> she say liar because he handed me an envelope. mr. meadows did not give me a single thing. >> glad we have the clear time. >> your time has expired. >> chair now recognizes mr. langworthy from buffalo for 5 minutes >> thank you, chairman. glad it is so quiet in here. on the first day of the biden

presidency, it is hard to share the truth when it is hard to hear. it is laughable, especially when biden avoided wire feeses when he had a $1 million payment through 16 different bank wires to hunter hailey and jim biden's accounts, if you are trying to avoid wire fees why send four. it is a total joke. a glaring example of president biden's failure to live up to his promise to bring transparency. his influence peddling in ukraine. while joe biden was vice president in 2014, his son hunter biden was asked to join the board, a paid position. the committee sought documents from the administration regarding vice president's

influence peddling in the ukraine. the administration that claims transparency has failed to produce these documents. on september of 2015 the united states was steadfast in the belief that the owner was the face of corruption in ukraine. the administration vowed to work with them to tackle corruption in the country. that all changed after a phone call from hunter biden and the owner to hunter's washington associates in 2015. a few days later, vice president biden delivered a speech to ukrainian legislature and privately pressured the ukrainian president to fire the prosecutor general. the oversight committee asked the white house for drafts of voice president's speech to the ukrainian legislature from 2015. they have withheld them for nearly seven months. to this date we have not been able to review them. we all want to know in there were edits to the speech after hunter called d.c. we all want

to know if the vice president, then vice president changed course to protect his son in his corrupt business associates. we all want to know if the biden family's business dealings effected policy against ukraine. the white house claims to bring truth and transparency to government. it seems like it is only interested when it is convenient for his administration. now, mr. bobulinski, did hunter ever tell you the value of the income to him? >> i was not involved. i don't recall him ever mentioning that to me. >> did he ever say it was his only income at that time? >> oh, okay. i stand corrected. [ laughter ] >> there is a text message. i never discussed it with him. i was at monco for the grand prix, he there was for a meeting. he set up a meeting with me, he did not show up. i was not too happy and he responded to a text to me

asking him what is going on. in that text he states he is on the back of the yacht fighting for the only income he has. but it was not barizm tarks is another deal, i never discussed it. it was a single exchange between him and i. >> corruption from the biden family have been common themes through the house oversight committee through the investigation. even when asking for drafts of then vice president's speech in the ukraine the white house has been anything but transparent. president biden is done and will continue to do everything he can to cover up the truth when it is hard to hear. i yield back mr. chairman.. gentleman yields back. mr. bobulinski. don't worry about mr. goldman, we don't pay attention to him either. is there anything that you want to take 55 seconds to respond

to? >> it is tempting. i mean my biggest appeal to everyone in this room is i wish you would spend the time focusing on the fact that the chinese communist party infiltrated the white of the united states through the biden family. i don't say that lightly. it is not a joke. i was willing to die for this country as was my father and both my grandfather and my grandfather. and my brother. take the biden name and family out of it. how did the chinese communist party infiltrate the white house of the united states. let's start there, focus on those facts, what they did, how they did it, why they used money, why they used private enterprises instead of military stuff and other stuff. that is huge to our national security. i appreciate you yielding that time to me. >> thank you. i will just say this. they criticized the investigatn