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Understanding 9/11tv Hearing on Biden Family Business Dealings Part 4 CSPAN March 21, 2024 1:06am-1:48am EDT
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the fbi hasn't done the job, the doj hasn't done their job. they've been told to stand down. all that's left and we will do our job and pursuant to the previous order because votes have beenr called again, the committee stands in recess subject to the call of the chair and we will reconvene five minutes after four v.
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the committee hearing will reconvene. the chair recognizes mr. small well for five minutes.■ó your interactions with the biden family which you've told us all about throughout the day, did you ever observed the chinesea government grant 22 patents to any of the children while joe biden was in office? did you ever observed the chinesebi government, i'm sorry, did you ever observed joe biden own or operate any hotels while he was in public office and take
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millions of dollars fro not. >> did you ever observe and employ children or spouses in the white house as vice president or president? >> ith did not. did you ever observe the biden's install a family member to be c? >> i'm sorry? >> did you ever observe them install a family member to be the cochair■ >> i did not. >> did president biden or anyoe in the family take $2 billion from the saudi government? >> not that i'm aware of. >> did anybody in the family to find $355 million for tax fraud? >> not that i'm aware of. >> as you've observed mr. bobulinski today and his dedication and loyalty to the trump family, is that something you recognize as somebody that was also in that culture before? >> absolutely.
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>> is there hope for our man here? >> very little i think until he is a brick wall. >> in your experience on a scale of one to ten, how eager was the interactions to manufacture dirt on joe biden, one to ten, ten being the highest? >> ten plus. you that the russians and the disinformation campaign outlets have oftenited determinants testimony and allegations against the biden family to make their own allegations against joe biden lacks. >> it doesn't surprise me because that isctly what they want to have happen. >> mr. chairman, over. time to pack it up and i want to give the top ten reasons why impeachment is dead. number ten, the key witness today is testifying from the slammer.
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number nine, key evidence of a bribe you all relied on the guy that he said has been indicted about lying on the bribery and a russian asset. number eight, another key witness has been indicted as a chinese agent. number seven, during the hunter biden interv"]iew, he didn't even stay for the whole time. number six, chairman jason smith didn't show up at allol to the hunter bidenhónterview. the same day number five, darrell issa said it's a big th jordan began his remarks not by relying on evidence for this investigation but he went off and attacked about. you still have absent the articles of impeachment to the senate and that happened last month. number two, they are now talking about a criminal referral but if you had evidence for a criminal
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have evidence to impeach somebody for high crimes and misdemeanors and number one and i'm sorry to say this,on fox news isn't evens to. one ofca the anchors said this s the same hearing over and over. at what point are you going to fishin and cut bait? i have to tell you it's over. mike drop, or a language that you will i dare you to impeach, but you won't because you don't have the evidence and because you don't have the votes. i'm here to pronounce the time .
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impeachment is dead. the biden impeachment is dead, joe biden has been equated. i want to read to you a few quotes that you read to the oversight committee. first you said i the report the committee republished end of the documents stated hunter biden was never asked or assigned on. are you aware according to the senate department official in a transcript interview with of the senate hunter biden requested how the meeting was in 2015. he testified he met with hunter biden and they spoke about burisma so yes or nohe st house oversight was incorrect. >> the statement was correct. >> yes or no.
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>> it is -- next question. there were no political or lobbying firms. in the statement that you made to the oversight. are you aware that the engagement of the blue star strategy that was lobbying the government on behalf of burismar and karen the head of burisma so that the statement you wrote was incorrect yes or no? my final [inaudible] as testified the corpo for dinnr with joe biden so that is incorrect -- >> i think the witnesses credibility is shot and i'd like to give the remainder of my time to the amazing representative from florida. the democrats could have sent
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anyone. they could have sent hunter biden, they could have sent joe biden, they could have sent rob walker. the democrats person to come and the direct evidence backed up by bank statements and calendar te. who did the democrats send to clear the name, after charged with enough crimes of violating the campaign-finance law. the conspiracy is using russian oligarch money to try to get marijuana licenshen using that w into campaigns to achieve that
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objective. fresh off of his present time is the most credible witness we have had to address the business dealings. what is your action to that? >> i think it is laughable the democrats■ are asking to weigh n on my credibility that served time. you don't even know what you're talking about
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>> for lying and defrauding your investors.en >> i think you are a little scared. >> i've been here for six hours and not one of your members are asking a question. i asked a question about the illegal business dealings. fraud is a crime■ right? >> fraud is a crime and you all observed fraud on the part of the biden's? >> so much so i have firms spend 300,000 to analyze the broadband put together a fully ready viable lawsuit against the family. >> antibribery is a crime how the money was flowing from the chinese communist party to hunter biden to other members of the biden family.
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did that concern you as a potential future of money laundering? >> itnc did. i started to grow concerned after i met joe biden and then i sat down with jim biden and used the term plausible deniability and that is documented as i went back to my lawyers and asked them something isn't starting to feel right and they went and hired another law firm to give e and what couldn't be done. the chair now recognizes the chairwomand of the education committee ms. fox from north carolina. i want to thank my colleagues for what you've been doing here today, unraveling issues. platform which would be anchored
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in globally known wall street brand together with a globally known political biden. is it correct a 300 billion-dollar chinese financial services company closelyy c communist party was interested in partnering with you and your business >> yes, that's correct. >> thank you. why was the ccp connected to the interested in doing business with you and your partners? hunter biden had a -- >> it was possible reason because of the access talked about the access that it provided. so there's documentation that was done and the■m■>erest was
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political access. >> do they believe joe biden would take a seat on the company's brd after the vice presidency ended? >> yes. the conversations including the gulf. >> are you aware of him ever speaking toki his father joe bin about th plan to having joined the office of management?lear js aware of the families use of his office and influence to do business with america's adversary , and therefore a choice to pursue. is it true the former president met with the chairman of cfc china energy.
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i personally was not at that meeting. >> when did the meeting place in my understanding it would have been february, 2017. after they had a meeting in miami i believe james got on the corporate jet and flew t dc in preparation for the meeting. >> after the meeting with the former vice president into chairman, were any payments made to the biden family or associates? >> it gets to the point of obfuscation. 3 million eurosq6 wired to walker's account on march 1st. they sent to buyers. the first was kicked back and they sent a second on march 1, 2017 and then as your committees walk through today, they push that out to the biden family and >> thank you.erent payments.
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mr. chairman, it is clear joe biden is the common element of all of hunter biden strips you do business with china.wovd there is a pattern emerging but the biden family and associates including joe biden himself deliberately chose personal gain the safety and best interest that he was to protectl yield a balance of my time. >> the deposition question do you think some of your business associates we've spoken about today, do you think they had an expectation of any invvement business dealings, answer, not in expectation from me. there was never a single time i can remember saying we will get my dad■dolved, let's get my dad on the phone, what can we get out of him for this. what's your reaction to
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describing the biden left? there you are sitting in a prison cell for a financial crime where you were an associate with hunter biden and some of the they are out enjoying southern california and you are sitting in a prison cell. they've got the ability to come and give this false testimony to congress. is it your belief that the biden justicee department retaliates against people who speak out against the biden's and their crimes? >> i'm living that. pleading guilt for eight years
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[inaudible]e. >> before i recognize, for what purpose does mr. biggs seek recognition? >> i want to include an article in t record. the article is entitled miles per hour, call against trump. >> for what purposes? >> mr. chairman i seek unanimous consent to enter thefrom the def justice sentenced to 20 years for wire fraud and false statemwk8eentsga from florida. >> thank you mr. chairman, and i find it an incrediblyich mr. swallow all was going to come to the committee and lecture us about how china penetrates our■;ernment. that's something he may know a
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thing or two about but let's talk about how they've penetratedow the highest levelse president and white house because the visual is incredibly important. bobulinski hunter biden portrayed as a protégé. is that accurate? >> not only is it accurate and it wasn't just hunter biden, it was rob walker. i wouldn't use the word protégé. >> you don't run this largest state-owned enterprise and by ee. mid-2000's, the chairman ran a business empire estimated as much as you can tens of billions including from a national security standpoint this is the critical piece including implementing the belt and wrote initiat the world, rie
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in the united. states. is that accurate? >> 100%. it was the sdoment applying tenf billions around the world, very well-documented and at its peak doing 50 million in revenue per largest. >> they are taking electrical grids into bribing officials into take as collateral not just grades, airports, key infrastructure the chinese use against any country but also here in theun united states. that's how the belt and wrote initiative works. i was with of commander and our pacific command talked about how china is basically gobbling up infrastructureta around■+he world including here so by the mid-15, 16 is developed a very
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lucrative business relationship and hunter biden had such a pahe chairman he planned to share an office space withar him and then just removed vice presint biden at the house of sweden in washington, d.c. so here's what's interesting and building on question within days of him leaving the vice presidency 3 million flows through the companies we've depicted here. you can see how complicated this is but the key piece is the flow to halley biden, jimmy and sarah, the various and at the kicker, mr. chairman, is that we know hunter is then complaining about paying all his dad's bills, complaining to the
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other relatives saying i'm having to use all this money to pay the big■luy'souse renovations and all kinds of things, correct? >> correct and it's important for the american people to understand the $3 million was three of $20 million that the biden's expected to be paid for the work in 2015 -- that's not just my word, that is documented. >> that's bank records, e-mails. bob menendez's wife can't get paid by thegypt then provide that money over to pay bills. menendez's i can't have my daughter get paid by i don't know, kazakhstan, russia, china and then pay my bills and we know also theywe had with the vice president of the united states. when we talk about crimes, let's talk about the crimes. we know he perjured himself and was acting as a foreign agent. was he registered as a foreign
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en that complicit through meetings and dinners and what have you? that's crime number two he that. we already have him paying for the work of this committee fort. so there are multiple crimes the committee has established ample evidence we move to impeachment. we cannot allow this to stand and i look forward to seeing the critical national security issue the chinese communist party call it the principal and they don't go after the principal, they go after h landed right out ofpr their playbook and they've done it at the highest levels of the united states >> i just have a couple of requests if it's all right.
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one is from the transcribed interview that j do with the ves and a second the declassifie assessment from the intelligence council march 2021 detailing efforts by russian actors to interfere in 2020 u.s. elections and finally importantly the u.s. district court decision and united ss described as a con artist who wanted to be in business with hunter biden but never was and how they thought they could add their operation. if i could have those introduced. >> without objection. >> now the chair rec from flori. you're a serious business person unlike theto you, you served ine
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military. you've done big deals, complicated businesses so what m trying to figure out is when you came to realize you showed up a the wrong party, because you strike me as someone who showed up to do a legitimate business deal and ended up instead at a bribe. so as you are looking at cfc as you are having this meeting with joe biden, hunter biden introducing you to his web of contacts, when did you go from serious businessman working to make a buck in the capitalist system to a guy worried that you had been ensnared into hunter and joe biden's bribert opeti ct party? >> i appreciate the question. it was more of a process. i was a seriousó. the different business deals around the world.
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i reallyad interest. to walk through things than i quickly put together to the meer and joe biden, it started when jim biden used the term deniability. >> plausible deniability is the first moment straight from the lips of jim biden on the heels of with joe biden where you start to think this might not be legit. >> my lawyers at the time could attest to that to them. if somebody couldn't take me to dinner for $50. it didn't make sense to me.
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>> what issk the moment your senses are a band you are analyzing this and a crime your wss when the biden family put them in the middle of a 9 billion-dollar transaction between the russian state-owned energy company and a surrogate for the party you started to see the money move or not at the legitimate business enterprise and toward the. >> the challenge is at the time they move the money and you have the text messagey shook down the director and i was not awareve of that. i spent a year asking questions.
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i didn't know they had defrauded me. it's either a bribe or a business. >> there's 1200 pages, eight days of testimony in the southern district of new york i encourage everyone watchingw me and hearing me say this they are publicly available. go read it outlines in intimate detail the corruption and bribes of the political officials all over world. to believe they did this in every other country but with the biden family it was pristine, and actualle business. >> you came to know that and that's when you blew the whistle and started to get worried when you saw joe biden -- >> the whistleblowers i can't give them kudos enough for the bravery and risk they put their
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familiesó/■ in. >> when you solve this wasn't just a corrupt business everyone's made a big deal like you're a bad guy to show up at the debate. you did that during a political contest but it seems it would 8 hard to stay quiet. >> it clearly motivated the chinese. did it also motivates you? >> i didn't want to go public. i wanted to unload the personal there's 18 people with law degrees including i think mr. swallow. along with a host of other
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witnesses and then on top of that thousands■r of documents ad pages of legal's. even for a moment it discredited the truthful testimony that you' gen expired. i yield back. >> that concludes the questioning. i want to thank the witnesses. we are going to close now and i will yield to the ranking memb >> i will take extra seconds as mr. gates did. given that his hero has just been convicted of banking and insurance fraud in new york in a civil case and now i think it is 454 million unless that's gone
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up. they can pay for the criminal or civil lawyers. it helped pre- minister's pay off president trump and you will find china gave more than $5 million. president that means of payment and officer entitled any kind of whatever. we said that they again draw he's never held public office and has never done business with the government yet we have rig r very eyes mammoth and
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my friends don't say a single word about it but he wants to lecture about the donations he made on behalf of pro trump super pacs. they've gotten out of the trump cold as put it, people like -- what is so fascinating to me about it is■a they don't mind wn these people live or donald trump. when they get out and start telling the truth is when they call them liars for what they did when they worked for donald trump. they are not, mad that you lied and went to prison did your time, but matthe for donald trump. when i was the state assistant
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attorney general, i thought a judge on my first day of working by saying you forgot the very first rule of lawyering. when you go to court you've got to bring the evidence you forgot to bring the evidence. there's no evidence, hundreds of pages of documenutd of evidencef presidential wrongdoing much less an impeachable offense by presidentjv■a biden. members are saying when will they call off this nonsense. i want to thank you. at the job you were sent to do t to thank you for what the
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personal honesty look like so many of our colleagues are still suffering today. y.it's time t what it is. it's not just an embarrassing of democracy breaking the rule of law as written tramples we should be for democracy and not tarnishing it with spectacles like this. i yield back. >> i want to thank the witnesses for being here delivered testimy indicating president biden and his families schemes that rolled over $24 million into the biden
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family. i've never heard of the minoritt business the biden's were in. it provi these claims and provided hours of testimony to the committee. mr. bobulinski have not chand their stories and did not ask for the hearing but they showed up for it because they have nothing to i also invited hunter biden to the hearing in part he requested he be allowed to provide transparency and testimony before therican people were he did request this hearing and then he sent for the deposition with the oversight committees. mr. bobulinski and others have implicated joe biden and the y$biden family business.
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this is a material highest orde. i attempted to solve that by getting the witnesses and the same room together too straightn out anylear to the american people that his word is as val■uae and t committee will not play games or belittle the institution by allowing hunter biden to call the shots about who he testifies w does i. the only person who can resolve this discrepancy about joe biden'ss his families influence peddling schemes. as i said atel the beginning of the hearing, joe biden was either used by his family over and over again and to be rated in front of his business partners to wreak in millions of business dollars, or he knew exactly what he was doing to enrich his family. joe biden was complicit.
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neither is acceptable for the leader of the united states. i don't think anyone believes that this is acceptable behavior for the familyingle thing they did it to release the money. nobody supports that. a democrat,i republican, from a big city or small town, that's not what this is about. the founding fathers set up, they said we have public servants come and provided their public service and then go on. public servants to enrich throue
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peddling. has anyone denied the interest. nobody denies t fily s influenced. we know the three former biden i full well. testifying under oath. coming days i will invite president biden to the oversight committee to provide his testimony and explain why his family received tens of million from companies. i assure the american people
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they will be able to for themselves. the honesty and fitness to the office he now holds. to talk about the violations of the clause. i've read there's a lot of investigations. no one's investigated, but -- w. there's no evidence that he has misdemeanors. what is it? >> i want to thank the panelists once again for their important and insightful testimony today
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-- if there is no further business, the committee stands adjourned. [inaudible conversations]
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