you're watching book tv for a complete television schedule visit booktv.org. you can also follow along behind the scenes on social media at booktv on twitter instagram and facebook. welcome to the independent women's forum book talk with miranda devine. thank you all for coming out tonight. to hear miranda discuss laptop from hell her important book on sex drugs money and power. or maybe it's depravity corruption and treason. we decided to have this event because for a book that delves into some pretty critical information about who owns the biden family we saw it was not getting the coverage it deserved. fox has given it a lot of play and so of a couple of other conservative outlets, but most have been silent and the

mainstream media more silent still. last week with regard to her own spying scandal hillary clinton explained the theory behind this behavior. if no one touches a story except fox in the new york post, it's possible to claim that the story is false, but fox knows its viewers are stupid enough to believe it. someone's viewers are stupid, but i wouldn't say it's foxes. tonight's event is being recorded by c-span that slightly under undermines our complaint that the mainstream media has ignored this critical book. but we'll take it. before i introduce our speakers, i want to note that the independent women's forum is now almost 30 years old. we started as a group of women coming out of the first biden administration who were unhappy with the way conservative women were being portrayed in the media and in just all around our

we were unhappy with way our viewpoints and our issues were covered. this hit home during the clearance thomas anita hill supreme court showdown and early iteration of believe all women. back, then there was only phyllis schlafly's eagle forum. which had single-handedly defeated the equal rights amendment. no mean feat. but they didn't seem so effective in media battles in the 90s on any tv report. you'd have liberal to left-wing women and power suits making their points and then a very pretty slightly fussy woman in a dress. would make the conservative case and it would be unrelatable. iwf intended to be an organization that reflected the real lives of and concerns of today's women. believe that all issues are women's issues from the economy to child care policy to the regulatory state to revolution if it matters we're on it.

under the leadership of carrie lucas who will be tonight's interlocutor? iwf has grown like wildfire in the past decade. we added the independent women's voice the political action arm. and just this year the independent women's network a national cyber networking operation that will build grassroots groups across the country. plus, we now have a legal center staffed by first rate conservative female attorneys and as soon as it's a little better funded it will start suing people just like the left. harry has accomplished all this while raising five lovely children. all of whom are brilliant and have excellent manners. these days she's making the case against the fairfax county schools and their mask policies. new york post calmness miranda devine here tonight when hunter

biden's laptop emerged during the election. i took a look at it and though i am not especially squeamish came to various videos. i just couldn't watch. so i cannot imagine that recording and explaining what was on those laptops was pleasant. but as the hillary acolytes like to say nevertheless she persisted. and kudos to the new york post for backing this important work, which the rival media claimed was. russian propaganda finally it is all very well that a rich and slightly decadent country pays foreign labor to pick our fruit and clean our homes. but it's a very different thing altogether when american journalists simply will not do the job of reporting. so we need to import australian columnists. hunters laptop appeared in public no one had to dig it up.

when it appeared we should have seen a watergate like scrum between reporters competing to break the news, but the news was devastating about the democratic party's candidate. so no one said a word. so we're doubly grateful to ms. devine for her bravery and her hard work. at this point in her career. she's the queen of all tabloids across the anglo sphere. she has dominated coverage here and previously in australia and england. we're grateful that she went through these sorted and pathetic records of the president's son hunter. biden is one sick puppy and history will not look kindly on the way he and his father sold our nation to its enemies. but thanks to miranda. we will have a record. so without further ado miranda devine and carrie lucas. well lisa, thank you so much for

that introduction. and thanks everybody for being here. you know, we haven't had an in-person event in a while like this, and i'm so thrilled that so many folks came out and he's getting ready to kind of resume normal life, but gosh, you know today feels anything but normal with the news coming out of ukraine and i felt like this was just a perfect time if there's you know with all the crazy news about what's going on overseas to have this conversation because so much of this is about foreign affairs and really how america has been mishandling some of our responsibilities, but the first thing you know when i started reading your book, which i enjoyed so much it was almost overwhelming because there was such an avalanche of scandals and each tidbit was, you know worthy of its own congressional investigation. i'm so i want i was hoping you could kind of set the stage a little bit but what it was like to be on the receiving end of this and the process you went through to kind of untangle all the information that was in this laptop, which would into your hands.

thanks, carrie and look i think untangling is the perfect word because this laptop is a complete mess like hunter biden's personal life. it's full of, you know explicit -- that he homemade -- with, you know, prostitutes the women that he was having relationships with and anyone else he was obsessed with every aspect of his body and his personal life. so he videotaped everything so you have to wade through that layer and i think that got a lot of publicity obviously for the korean nature of it. and you know, i mean i i mentioned in one story about one photograph where he balances m&ms on his -- and takes photographs of it and you know that got much much more coverage than than other probably more important things. so i've tried to balance in the book, you know that sort of the give a taste of that.

sort of korean depraved material that's in the laptop. but of course far more important than that is the the material that takes a while to dig down and find and that's you know, the emails the text messages. the sort of little trail of breadcrumbs that leads you to an absolutely gob smacking shocking revelation, but the laptop alone is not enough. it is one piece of the jigsaw puzzle it is buttressed by material from tony bobolinsky who is one of hunter biden's business partners a real american patriot naval veteran a hero. he came forward before the election seeing how the new york posts our story that we'd published through x before the election was being buried. he came forward to corroborate it and he handed over the material that he had on his

devices. the fbi and that material was corroborated a lot of what was on the laptop, but it also augmented it with for instance whatsapp messages and where where hunter and his partners were a lot more free and easy about what they said and then the other piece of the jigsaw puzzle is really excellent work done by two republican senators who were traduced as you know, can kremlin operatives like yeah, that's just the democrats go to is they they regard or they pretend that their opponents are russian propagandists. that was chuck grassley and ron johnson and they conducted a terrific very exhaustive investigation into one aspect of the corruption to do with ukraine and this corrupt energy company barisma. that was paying hunter biden 83,000 a month to sit on its board. yeah, well, you know, i think

that as we there's so many different stories of different corruptions and different kind of swashing money that was coming towards the influence selling if you would, you know, if we've worked you're reaching a new audience where i'm we're excited that that c-span is covering this if you had to give the wood the one example where you thought that this was going to kind of encapsulate the corruption and this why american should be kind of appalled at the idea of what was going on in terms of of this money that was coming in that was obviously corruption and unethical behavior. well, the one moment that really had me real away from the laptop and just have to go for a walk and and just shake my head and think i cannot believe i i, you know seen this and and it was only possible really with the bobbleinsky mixing those up and that was the the biggest deal that hunter biden and his uncle jim biden had done so far with the chinese now, they were joint

venture partners with the company energy company in china called cefc, but it wasn't just an energy company. this was the capitalist of president g's belt and road initiative. which of course is china's imperialist push into the rest of the world and the biggest deal that cefc was going to do was with russia and vladimir putin shades of today had been pushed into a corner by european sanctions. russia after the downing of mh-17 that malaysian airlines flight over ukraine and he had then was forced into the arms of president xi who you know is is an expansionist leader and president xi decided that he was going to buy a big chunk of rosneft, which is the russian state-owned energy company. so this was a marriage of china

and russia disastrous for america. it's now happening again, but it didn't happen because president trump came into office and he had assigned attorney general then jeff sessions to disrupt china's sort of business invasion of america and so very quickly hunters one of his business partners was arrested at jfk the the direct the boss of cefc was disappeared in china and that that deal for china to buy rosneft suddenly fell apart and china had to pay russia. i think 10 million dollars in compensation. so that was a close call, but that was this crackhead son of joe biden couldn't tie his shoelaces could not conduct his personal life in any normal fashion. he was out of it most of the time he was had a raging crack

addiction of raging sex -- prostitute addiction. his personal life was in disarray who was finding with everyone. and this guy and his bumbling uncle jim joe biden's younger, brother. were right in the heart of the biggest deal this geopolitical landmine that was going to be so detrimental to america's national security. they were right in the heart of it. they were joint venture partners, and we're going to benefit enormously and on top of that joe biden was the 10% partner. that was the 10% for the big guy deal and joe biden was going to when he finished being vice president. he hunted biden had already made up a name plate in dc in a building called. i think the swedish house they had an office in there and on the on the door was going to be

joe biden hunter biden cefc america the belt and road initiative america's that america's you know, the american version and that was joe biden future for a future president former vice president was there and it just fell apart and because of because of donald trump, but now we're back at square one again. yeah, you know and it's it's interesting because obviously this is yeah i was thinking about how interesting it. is that a rarity where you have your source is the president's son you have him in his own words you have essentially all the correspondence everyone who is emailing him these videos his it was just an amazing amount of access that you know for people who try to keep usually try to keep the media at bay and as much as this is a story about hunter biden, you know, i think i would love for you to talk a little bit about joe biden's role in this because there was i found it very interesting the the exchanges that they had on a personal level and then how much

how just completely ridiculous it is for the president to have said he didn't know about this because he was so many times he was there with his son. yeah. yeah. look you're spot on and i mean the reason for the book the reason that it's important is not about hunter biden. who's a 52 year old supposedly reformed drug addict, you know, that's his personal life. who cares that's often what people attack me and say why you you know, delving into ruining his privacy and so on. it's not about hunter biden. it's about joe biden joe biden is at the top of this family business. here's the product. they are selling and he is intimately involved. he is directing it. he is introducing hunter to the important people at the top of the russian or the chinese or the ukrainian or the romanian or that has externally hierarchy that is going to give him the

money because in china for instance when the hunter biden got off air force 2013 with his father the chinese to chinese eyes. it was obvious what was happening. he hunter biden was a princeling in china in these corrupt countries. you don't give the money to the top official you give it to their children or their family member and in china these sons and daughters of the privileged are called princelings. so the american journalists on air force to that that for that trip with joe biden saw nothing peculiar about his middle-aged son coming along and being introduced to all the higher ups at the ccp for joe biden to be shaking their hand of of hunter biden's new chinese business partner who tipped him into this enormous deal this firm that he was given a 10% stake in for nothing and that ended up in 2019. it had two and a half billion dollars worth the funds under

management. and the other thing is that from the laptop. we know that i didn't financially benefited personally from hunter biden's business deals, so we don't have a lot but there is a little bit and it's very -- and that is that there were shared bank accounts. they were shared debit cards, and there was also some evidence of that that hunter biden was actually paying the household bills for joe biden there was a monthly at&t phone bill just a couple hundred dollars, but there were all so some evidence of bills for maintenance on his mansion one of his mansions in delaware. so, you know retaining wall being fixed some paintings some shutters being repaired air conditioning being replaced in a cottage on the grounds, you know, a few thousand here a few thousand there, but and it only came to light because the

biden's apparently are notorious around delaware for not paying their bills because to the local tradesmen. it's supposed to be such an honor to work for joe biden that you know, he wouldn't want to let money get in the way so it's some of these tradesmen were were pressing to get their bills paid. i mean there were three four thousand dollars each. it's a lot to a small tradesman. so these bills were maybe nine months old and it came to the surface. that was how it arrived in the laptop, but i am sure there is a lot of other money that the fbi and the us attorney in delaware would have access to that. we saw chuck bradley and ron johnson had some access to these suspicious activity reports in the banks then our subenaing people appearing in the grand jury in delaware. so if someone wants to pull those threads there is so much to discover about the president and his family. yeah, you know what i bet that i

speak for everyone in the room that we've found that the wheels of justice turn very slowly, especially and there is a democratic politicians that are under investigation. and so i wanted to i wondered i just saw that jonathan turley had a piece. i believe it was yesterday or did the day before that on that investigation or the grand jury that it's still enforced in and collecting testimony in delaware. is that if this seems like there's so much here that seems like obviously criminal and i wondered if you could speak about what the kind of the situation is in terms of that those investigations or what the potential is if there will be justice or any actual for any of this. well, i guess it's like the durham investigation there really have been very few leaks from this investigation into hunter biden's business fairs. there's another one going on into his uncle jim now tax

evasion. we know that they're looking at that because hunter biden told us himself after the election but also, supposedly they're looking at money laundering in some sort of foreign agent registration stuff. so i mean if they want to there are multiple crimes that you can find on the laptop. so what we know so far is that in may 2019, which was a few weeks after joe biden announced his candidacy for president this grand jury or the us attorney david weiss in delaware. subpoenaed jp morgan chase bank for bank transactions to do with hunter buying jim biden and two of hunter's business partners, devon archer and eric schwerin and specifically they asked for anything to do with the bank of china now, i know from the laptop and from bob linsky's material, there's a lot of that chinese money sloshed through tens of millions of dollars, so

they're getting that now there are one of the names on one of these suspicious activity reports from jp morgan chase that i've seen is a woman called zoe keston and she was an ex. i don't know if you'd call her a girlfriend but a woman who spent a long time with hunter at chateau mamong in hollywood when he went on one of his months long crack benders in 2018 after he got a big payout from china so she was there and she was in a lot of photographs and videos and so they had as he always had with all the women in his life of rocky relationship, but she is named on one of those suspicious suspicious activity reports because of quite a lot of money had gone into her bank account and she testified before the grand jury and apparently talked about his wild spending sprees because he that 2018 in particular.

he was you know, staying at chateau mamong. he had his drug addiction was incredible. attitudes, you know several times a day and he had drug dealers parading through the hotel room who were stealing everything in sight and he was cooking crack and he kept on having his laptops and his phones and his wallet stolen and you know, it was a very expensive several months been there for him. yeah, you know that is kind of the i believe it was very early in the book when you talk about how he loses an 8,000 jacket at a strip club and it's really mad about it is trying to track down this jacket and throughout this. there's such a like a tremendous lack of responsibility in particular with somebody, you know, i bet that there's a lot of folks here are used to knowing that the idea of like classified materials or this idea of not being somebody you should be open to blackmail and obviously with we heard this a lot under with president trump

with the whole like russia narrative that the left was trying to push that oh, he might be being black bill look something they did. and my goodness having read your book now and being aware of some of what is out there and knowing of all the other things that must be she said sloshing around out there of information on him. is there a thought that he might be under that his father may be compromised by any of the the other information that's out there by foreign leaders. well, that's the 64,000 question. and i mean, it's particularly salient today when you know, russia is invading ukraine and america is americans are concerned about being pulled deeper into a european war and you know, we have a president whose family has been paid money from russian oligarchs at the right hand of vladimir putin not just money, you know, one transaction was 3.5 million dollars that went into the bank account of one of hunter's business partners in america,

and you know the money that he was getting from ukraine. another russia aligned oligarch was in charge of that company burisma the owner of that company now, he was a former energy minister of the former russia-aligned government who was paying hunter biden this million dollars a year payment and joe biden was warned about that several times by some sort of mid-level state department officials and ignored that one of them buttonholed him on air force two on the way to ukraine one of them came into his office. and so there's just been no accountability here and there is so many people who know so much and at the very least, i think that the american people should know as much about joe biden and his family's business dealings in ukraine and russia and china as do vladimir putin and president xi and what the reason

they don't know is because the american media the establishment the prestige of the new york times the washington post and so on. they blocked it big tech sense of the story and you had people like john brennan and other you know, former security and intelligence operatives who then gave the fig leaf to joe biden that this was the laptop was russian disinformation. so the american people were kept in the dark before the election and the proper due diligence they were not able to do on one of the candidates for president. yeah, you know, no i'm going to open this up for questions. i know we've got a great audience that's gonna have a lot of questions and as we kind of get the first person queued up, i just want to kind of ask you to talk a little bit more about that because i do think that that as much as much scandal as there is on the laptop and in the book about what the the bidens i feel like the scandal with the media is almost more alarming because it's not just the misdead of one family and

some corrupt kind of upper crust. this is supposed to be this is kind of goes to the heart of journalism is and isn't and it's amazing to think of the consequences and you talk about that a little about in your books closing that this really was an attempt to subvert the election outcome. you wonder almost who's pulling the strings and some of those companies. so i wonder if you'd any kind of perspective from the new york post and from others that you have interacted with if they were surprised at the extent of the media block out and just how how dug in people were to try to keep to silence this this information that you have brought to light. i think that trump just changed everything, you know, it journalists at those organizations that i mentioned just decided to throw out every, you know, ancient aspect of journalistic ethics because it the means justified the end, you know, they had to get rid of donald trump didn't matter who joe biden was he could have been

the devil incarnate and they were going to ensure that he won and or they would do whatever they could. and i guess i wasn't really surprised that the other media because there's competition obviously and we had the laptop and they didn't so ignoring it was was kind of a normal competitive instinct. i suppose although you'd think they'd try and find their own copy of the laptop, but no what what actually surprised me was was facebook and twitter how brazen they were at at just displaying their power, you know to to the new york post is the fourth largest newspaper in the country. it's the oldest newspaper in the country and they took it on themselves a couple of hours after our first story was published to censor it. they tweet a blocked the new york posts account until for two weeks until a few days before the election and you know a little while after that they de-platformed the sitting president of the united states

and even emmanuel macron in france was horrified by that because these are unaccountable. you know corporate global kind of oligopolies who are more powerful than the leader of the free world. that's what they are and and you know, the disgusting thing for me was that facebook and twitter did that on really spurious pretext so twitter said that we had violated their hacking material policies, which there was nothing hacked and they admitted it afterwards that it was a mistake jack dorsey said it was a mistake to to lock us and facebook, you know, stop just because they were going to do a fact check. well, they never did the fact check because and i know they didn't because the way you would fact check this email. that was our first story is you would go to the other recipients of the email and i know they haven't because i've talked to those people and they've never been contacted by facebook. so it was just a lie, and it was

all done for partisan purposes to make sure that donald trump didn't win the election and that's terrifying and we know that it made, you know, a material difference to the outcome of the election because there was a poll done by the media research center and they found that about half of biden voters had no idea about this scandal or a laptop or anything and and and 10% of them if they had known would have changed their vote and this is an election decided by 45,000 votes and a handful of battleground states. so that could have made a difference. yeah. sudden believable. well, let's i want to get some audience members. but somebody have a question just raise your hand and we can bring you the microphone. hi, i congratulations on your book. it's really a feat of journalism and well done. the fbi had the laptop first and

are they still looking at it or it could something come out of that? and why do you think they held on to it? so long without any doing any it's are coming to the public of with any of the materials in it. well, i guess there's two answers. they're lazy and incompetent or they were corrupt. you know, they've had it for a long time and let's hope that what the us attorney in delaware is doing does is based on the material and laptop and you know, i mean, i'm still willing to have faith in our justice system to do the right thing. it may be slow, but we're seeing with the durham report that you know good things. happening and i think that's all we can expect is that you know, the truth is displayed and

unfortunately, i think the medias is falling down on its part of the bargain, but let's hope that the justice system if even if it's slow that it's thorough and that ultimately people do are held accountable and then of course if the republicans win back the house in the senate they have said or some of them have said that they will be holding proper inquiries and they'll have the subpoena power and so on to call people like hunter biden but many others to testify about what they know about this corrupt influence pedaling operation, but you know, the bidens aren't the only people that have done this i think joe biden is a master of it in in washington. he's been doing it. for decades from delaware, but you know, i think there are people on both sides of the aisle who have profited from selling their influence and i think you know washington is a very corrupt town dare i say and and i'm not sure if if people

have really come to grips with that. yeah, thank you. more questions from the audience okay, please. miranda thank you for being here tonight. i read your book. it's wonderful everybody. you're really good writer. i'm a slow reader and i read your book in like two hours. so thank you. it was disturbing and on so many accounts, but the one thing i thought was really interesting. i really glad you put it in the book was about his teeth. oh, yeah, because he was a heavy drug user. and a crack user and as many of you know when you use drugs like that, it does affect the teeth, so i thought that was interesting. so could you comment on that? yeah, it was one of the most arresting photos in there was hunter. i can't remember the exact number. i think it's like $80,000 that he spent at a dentist called smiles in on 57th street in

midtown new york and and there it's a sort of before and after photos. so there's a photo him smiling with these pig teeth awful yellow. hollowed down teeth and then afterwards if you notice now, he's always flashing the pearly whites and just like joe biden joe biden had his teeth fixed and he had his plot hair plugs and the botox and the whole thing. so hunter has learned from his dad that teeth extremely important. please first just a little personal note if anyone wants to have their hair done i suggest gouvan on wisconsin avenue hasan and his brother were the hairdressers for jill and that she doesn't pay them. she never doesn't tip. she pays them. she doesn't tip and her son has not decided. he will no longer go to the white house because there's no tip involved. anyway, please support us on at guan on wisconsin avenue.

he hates the garden. haha, and he will tell you all about it while you're having your hair done. my question is south african young cohen? i think her name is i'm how is that relationship proceeding? and i'm also curious about the baby mama. she's been testifying i understand right? yes the baby mama. it was a former stripper called london roberts who actually was was working and establishment. not far from here and when hunter was gentleman's club, yes. yes, and and hunter was nothing but a gentleman when he was that and so so london roberts anyway became pregnant and had three ago had hunters. fourth child and so hunter though denied that it was his child and in fact in his memoir

beautiful things he he claims that he can't even remember. he says there was must have been just one in canada who can never remember meeting her that's not true. because the laptop shows that he knew her very well for a very long time. he used to smuggle her into his office building at swedish house through the backfire door and over months and when he was challenged by the building managers because there's two consulates in the building and they were concerned about security issues. he wrote this very long thousand words sort of rant at them and thought he was very clever and said no this woman london romitz gave her entire cv said she was the basketball coach to his daughter and also to sasha i think obama who was his daughter's friend so dropping the obama name and so he knew

her extremely well, and she was actually on his payroll at one point. so she she had the baby she had to sue him for paternity the dna proved that it was his child, but in his book in on the jacket he in his little biography. he talks about being the father of three girls, but doesn't mention the fourth child. so london roberts i suppose is a little bit miffed. so she did appear at the grand jury last tuesday and testified for several hours. and hunter has been. you know a little bit silent lately. i mean he was i don't know if you noticed but he was at the white house a lot. and in fact, there's so much in the early months that that joe had built for him his son his two. a little boy a swing set on the grounds of the white house, which you can see when joe's walking back from marine one to

his office and but and and we know that hunter is is basically joe's no kidding as joe would say his number one or closest most trusted advisor because hunter biden is actually very intelligent. and i i didn't believe this but i was told this by one of hunter's many therapists. and when i when i really was fair about it and read his emails and his long missives to himself. he's quite a good writer. he's very self engrossed, but he is quite into well, he is intelligent and so he's always wanted to be an artist or an author. he's both of those now, but he also has political ambitions. and and he told his first wife kathleen biden who i think was a very nice person and badly misled that after the funeral of his brother when he had given a

eulogy that everyone praised he said to her in the car on the way back from the funeral. everyone was saying to me you should go into politics, you know, i'm thinking of it and she just looked in and said, are you kidding? you know, you've just been thrown out of the navy for cocaine use no. so anyway, he writes about that also in beautiful things with great bitterness saying that she didn't understand him. but anyway, i just i think that he's a concerned at the moment because the grand jury is starting to it seems to be accelerating starting to bring people in from his personal life and ask them questions and the other problem for him is that his best friend in business a guy called devon archer who had been a yale colleague of his was is going to be sentenced on monday. i think i mentioned in southern district of of new york for this.

they serious criminal fraud of a one of the poorest indian tribes in america. and his co one of his co-defendants was jailed for 12 years. another one was jailed for 30 months. and so the prosecutors have asked for 30 months for devon archer and his lawyers have said that you know, that's too much of a hardship for him. so we'll see on monday. the judge is judge ronnie abrams who's an obama appointee and also the wife of one of the mueller investigators and she's been very kind to devon archer previously. she overturned his original conviction. it was reinstated in the court of appeal. he went to the supreme court lost and so now he's back before her. she also allowed him when he was out on bail to travel to 24 different countries, so he went to turks and caicos on holidays and so on but he also went to china in kazakhstan and u, in

russia doing business the very places that he and hunter had been doing. wife greg andrey or something. i can't remember the name exactly. yeah. the new mrs hunter so her name is melissa cohen. they did meet at chateau mum hong and he was introduced her by somebody he met around the pool and they fell madly in love that night. and and though a married within weeks. she's south african. yeah. oh, you've heard that i don't know. no, look, i think she's quite sensible. i mean she did things like took away his his phones his devices kind of cleaned him up. i mean if we believe it he's cleaned up. thanks to her. so and she is now, you know the mother of his of his little cute

little two year old boy. so let's hope for her sake in the boys' sake that he is clean, but i think he'll be having some sleepless nights at the moment. lifetime for one more one last question. so this is a very difficult question. but right after the laptop came out when i first saw you on fox news, there were i've seen some videos of i believe it was friends from taiwan. that was you know, going around alternative news showing. him torturing little girls from china. i mean, i don't know but it's i mean, it's this? yeah, no that those videos i've seen and heard of those they do not exist on the laptop. i believe that that there is been a doctored images photoshopped images that have been put around and i believe from and i don't know why but

some of them have appeared on chinese sites and whether whether it's somebody deliberately trying to muddy the waters to discredit the laptop whether it's somebody i don't know all i know is that i did look at it. it doesn't exist. and and i think the problem with concentrating on this alleged pedophilia, which so many people do of course is that you know, if there was pedophilia if he was a pedophile that is the worst crime of all everything else that's on the laptop would you know, just pale into insignific and so of course, i would have concentrated on that but there's no evidence of it. and in fact, i mean i have seen much more of hunter biden's sex life than i would like to have seen. but everything i have seen is that he is a heterosexual who likes women of his own age, you

know women, you know, the prostitutes are in there twenties, and there's no evidence that he has any peculiar sexual preferences. yeah, well that may be an appropriate place to end to end this conversation. yeah, exactly, but i want to thank everybody and as we wrap up i want to mention that everybody should grab a copy of the champion women profile. we did that charlotte hayes writes this series and we profile wonderful women and including miranda, so please take a look at that. and i also wanted to mention that you know, lisa did a great job talking about independent women's forum and kind of our history and i do want to encourage you to come and check out both, you know, iwf.org, but also independent women's network because we would love for everybody here to sign up. we're trying to connect people around the country so we can start making a difference. we are the women's group that really likes men.

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