excel and the us navy blue. now this record, was set just ten days ago, guys by caitlin clark of the indiana fever. she broke it all wide open and now caleb williams setting a new record. >> amazing. and carolyn maddow, thank you. all right. victor blackwell, that's come up on first of all. >> all right. so the mayor of chicago is with brandon johnson, is in atlanta for a meeting of black mayors on issues including voting rights. but of course there's a lot more to discuss the campus protest democratic convention in chicago coming up in august, immigration a lot more. so we'll get into that also, speaking of protest concern about demonstrations is why some students at morehouse say the college should rethink its invitation to president biden to speaker their graduation. i'll speak to a senior who feels that way along with then official from historically black college and you probably heard of the term white privilege thrown around a lot. well, an author and journalist says, she's figured out how to calculate just how much she's

benefit from being white. it is $1 amount down to the penny and it's a lot of money. she's here to explain white bonus, fascinating. all right, have a great show. victor. >> thank you very much. let's do it right now well first of all keeping track of the protests, breaking out at college campuses across the us right now, it's not easy the protests are broadly referred to as pro-palestinian. most are anti-war. some are anti israel. they include some muslim students. they include some jewish students some are at major east coast ivy league schools, other smaller west coast colleges some protests involve students camping on school grounds, that happening right now in the campus of northeastern in boston we've seen what looks like students being detained and some items that this encampment being

cleared columbia university's in camp been has been a flashpoint to the senate. there has passed a resolution friday to investigate how school leaders have been handling the protests now, the response from many schools and law enforcement agencies is to crack down. we saw violent arrests here in atlanta at the campus of emory university this week, california state polytechnic university, humboldt campus says that they're moving to a remote format until the end of the semester. and the university of illinois is among the school's threatening suspensions for students who do not leave an encampment. their now there were protests at several chicago campuses yesterday including at the university of chicago. the city will be, will, of course, be the site of the democratic convention. that is an august. but right now it feels like as the humanitarian crisis in gaza keeps going. so will these protests there will always be outsiders that say certain things are portray us,

but we are confident in what we're here to do and what we're here to do is we got for palestinian liberation, people are dying. >> this is a genocide that's happening and that is the biggest concern. >> but some illustration of standing with israel, standing with genocide and the students aren't, they're sending with palestine and they're sending against genocide. so the people know what's right, that people understand what's right and wrong. >> you have to actually put action to our worried if we don't do that, then who? kirby right? >> and i care about that. i care about actually, we have to do something we can't just believe things we have to take action here with me now, is the mayor of chicago branded johnson? >> he's here to atlanta for the meeting of the african-american mayors association. we'll get to that in just a moment. but first, thank you for coming in. you're welcome. thanks for having me. let's talk first about these protests i mentioned some there was a rally at the university of chicago there yesterday. the chicago police department's involvement need for any clearing of anything. what's the latest on on the enforcement of law as we saw, some of these protests get a

little violent. >> yeah. well, there's a great deal of energy around this country i'm calling for real justice, not just here in america, but around the globe. that's a long tradition that we have in this country, particularly with young people. and so i'm a firm believer and peaceful protests protecting our fundamental right to do that as a country is what makes us a dramatic difference from the rest of the world. so protecting our first amendment is critical >> protecting the rights of, our residents or citizens in this country to peacefully protest without that protest, i'm not the mayor of the city of chicago. our country is not what it is today without protest. so we have to hold on to our fundamental beliefs and our rights while also doing a very peaceful way, you've got the democratic national committee convention coming in about 16 weeks. there's

smiled, excited about it coming. >> there are groups that are saying that they're going to have the largest protests pro-palestinian protests in the city's history. >> they've applied for permits to get closer. you've rejected those. they say they're going to protest with or without a permit. what's your message to those groups and say, we're coming anyway? the way well, again, the fundamental right to protest in this country is something that is crucial to our democracy. what i'm calling for, and this is what i'm appreciative in this moment as an educator, as an organizer, i've participated in countless demonstrations, not just in the city of chicago. what around this country? we, are, working towards making sure that our local law enforcement also with the secret service, that we are providing protection and safety for those who wish to demonstrate their fundamental right. and so i'm really excited about the city of chicago hosting of the convention. and i'm confident that between our local law enforcement secret service, as well as individuals who want their voices to be heard. we

can protect the sanctity of the fundamental right to protest while also keeping people safe. >> what's the rejection or when it forms rejection of their application to be closer to the site of the convention. >> well, again, that's more about safety, right? i mean, we're talking about thousands of delegates from around the country, around the world that will descend and on the city of chicago and all of her beauty. but again, this is about making sure that we are protecting the fundamental right to protest, but also keeping people safe. so when we talk about protests democratic national convention in chicago, many people think back to 1968, what is the preparation four and inside law enforcement there, because the walker report from the chicago study committee or study team found that it was a police riot in some of the elements of what we saw 1968, what's the prep for the police to take on what coming well, august it's a fair question, but it's a much different contexts the mayor,

during that particular time versus me were two different individuals. and so what i've called for for my police department is to make sure that we are working towards de-escalation. that is the primary goal. there is, again, to keep protesters safe. but also to ensure that their voices and their first amendment is protected. again, my responsibility is to make sure that we have an energetic, a peaceful, a vibrant convention. that highlights and showcases why america, this great experience, the experiment here, is the model for the rest of the globe. let's talk about immigration now. city council approved that $70 million to care for migrants that you requested you undoubtedly have heard from residents on the south, sayyed, the west sayyed black residents who say we're taxpayers here. we have been underserved for generations. we need that money here to care for our children. what's your message to those

families who say that money should be invested in our community. >> well, first of all, certainly me an agreement that neighborhoods on the west and south sides of the city of chicago had been historically disinvested in my wife and i are literally raising a family. and one of those neighborhoods were schools have been closed, mental health clinics have been shut down jobs have been lost. i mean, we're talking about again, decades of disinvestment. and so that's why in this moment that i've worked hard to do both. and it's not an either or we did approve $70 million to respond to this man-made crisis. but we also on that same day voted for the largest investment, particularly around bonds in the history of chicago, uh, 1.2, $5,000,000,000 investment. and housing and economic development. that's 20 times as the amount of the 70 million which we approved. and so if we do not respond to this crisis, the type of chaos that the governor of texas is provoking in this country. if we don't respond, you're going to have the type of chaos and the

unhoused dynamic that is going to get, that will be exacerbated. so yes, $70 million for this migrant mission. but one point two, billion investing in the west and south sides of the city of chicago for affordable housing and affordable rent. and of course, economic development, particular for our small businesses. let me ask you about voting rights because you're headed over to more houses campus after this conversation to talk about voting rights in this country as a part of the african-american males there's association what do you say to those young people? and maybe you'll meet some today who say that they are, i guess, deflated, are disappointed by the president's handling of the war in gaza or student loan forgiveness or any given issue. and for that reason, they will not vote. they're choosing not to vote. they're not interested in voting for donald trump but they're not motivated to vote for president biden what do you say to those people? just consider it out. >> yeah, it's a bad idea

certainly understand the sentiment, the demand for more. one of the things that i actually appreciate about this generation, their expectation of government is something that i really do appreciate. i'm not mirrored the city of chicago, if it were not for young voters, i won by 26,532 votes, 27,000 new voters came to vote for me last april. that did not vote in the first round all under the age of 34. so we have to make sure that we are paying attention and we're responding to their demands, not just about student debt, not just about the wars that exist. what we're talking about environmental justice, making sure that public accommodations actually reached the very people who provoked them. i'm a social studies teachers. i don't want to nerd out on you too much, but after the civil war, there were five simple demands. education, housing, health care, jobs, transportation. these are the things that are still fundamental to growing our economy. and so my advice and my encouragement to young people, is a continued to lift their voices, to continue to provoke the political ideology

for this moment. but the best way to stamp that is by voting. and that's what we'll continue to encourage people to do. family of dexter reed this week filed a federal lawsuit against the city of chicago, the civilian office of police accountability says that officers shot 96 times over 41 seconds during a traffic stop. >> they also say it appeared that read shot and officer. i believe it it was in the wrist first. >> i want you to listen to read sister here. >> this was this week as that lawsuit was filed you have not thought this would not be the first second will lead time a young man, a black man the signing key should not be able to boxcars. >> he and do local chopped down like it's a robber is scary and everyone else is scared of. >> it sees that it's slavery still going on the way we are done here street expect there's not a whole lot. you can say because their lawsuit has been filed, but what what goes through your mind or questions do you have when there are tactical offers,

officers in an unmarked car in plain clothes, making a traffic stop for a seat belt in this happen? yeah. >> look. i've pushed for constitutional policing in my time as mere the city of chicago, and we are moving in that direction. the superintendent is an incredible individual, born and raised on the south side of chicago in inglewood. he's totally understands just like i do. the tense relationship between law enforcement and the community. and quite frankly, the distrust dexter reed and his family my condolences are still offered up to that family dexter reed, literally attended the school that i used to teach it. i miss dexter reed by a year, two years. but at time i transferred over to becoming a full-time organizer and so what i'm saying, not just to this family, but the entire city of chicago and this nation that we have to do a much better job and how we provide systems of support and care for our young people. when dexter was a student at westinghouse, he had the type of insulation that was

necessary for him to reach his potential. those systems of care begin to dissipate once he graduated from high school. so there's a lot that went wrong there. certainly the engagement would law and law enforcement. there are a lot of questions there, and so i've worked hard to keep common our city, and i appreciate the organizers and activists who are speaking truth to power in this moment by demanding real substantive policy changes. chicago mayor brandon johnson, thank you. so much for coming. thank you, victor. all right. >> president biden will be coming to atlanta for commencement speech at morehouse. but because of the presence handling of israel's war against hamas in gaza as a real debate at morehouse over whether it's a good idea, a senior who thinks the school should rethink that speech will join us. plus alabamians. oh, alabama might soon have to choose between celebrating the end of slavery or celebrating the president of the confederacy, you gotta pick one june 10 of jefferson davis's

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come celebrate the official state holiday is monday. well, now, let's talk about alabama because they are showing out for the stars and bars alabama celebrates more confederate holidays than any other state. so monday is confederate memorial day in the state. in january, the state celebrated confederate general robert e lee's birthday june alabama will have another tribute to the confederacy. this is a celebration of jefferson davis's birthday. he was the president of the confederate states well, there's a bill making its way through the state legislature to make juneteenth the state holiday. okay. june 19, the commemorate the end of slavery but but to pass the bill some house members required a compromise state employees would have to pick you, take off juneteenth or jefferson davis's birthday freedom or the confederacy joining me now to discuss is

wanted linda van an alabama state representative and sponsor of the juneteenth bill, representative gov. >> and thank you for being with me and we were talking a little bit during the break. this is not the way you want it to be but there is no other federal paid holiday that is not an alabama state paid holiday. why does juneteenth get this treatment in alabama? >> well first of all, again, thank you, victor off for having me. i'm excited to be here, but very disheartened in a way. this is sweet home alabama as i said a moment ago, this is sometimes the best that you're going to get out of the state of the out of the state of alabama. but unfortunately, it's the worst of what you're going to get from a state that is attempting to roll back everything, whether it be lgbtq rights, human rights, a woman's right to choose and certainly black lives matter. i'm very disappointed, but it was a compromise. as you mentioned, that i had to try to work out with my colleagues on

the opposite side of the aisle, many of which you did not even no what juneteenth was or is or what it means to this country. and that was probably the most disheartening fact about at all. >> let me read to you what the president of the tuscaloosa branch of the end of lacp said, i would've wanted all or nothing not treating dude teeth the way all of the holidays are treated as a slap in the face to african-americans for those who say don't compromise, just keep working to get the full status for the holiday. you say what? >> well, let me just simply say, we've been working for almost 15 years to even get the bill in committee. this is the first year that this bill actually even made it to committee. >> so where were hoping because there's no guarantee that the governor will issue a proclamation allowing for the state it government offices to be closed. >> so they're sometimes in government. there has to be a level of compromise because you

have to begin a process of at least inching toward a final resolve that may work in your favor for us. know, we didn't not like it. it was this paint. this is painstaking for me. i'm one of the toughest democrats in the house of representatives. but at the end of the day, we're hopeful that if we can get legislation passed, we do have about 13 holidays on the books. there's no appetite from the republicans to allow another one. but at the end of the day, you reach just a little bit further every year to come to a compromise. as because victor, i'm gonna be honest with you. i don't think if we don't get this out this year, at least to get an acknowledgment for us. it was the fact that we would at least get an acknowledgment that this did happen, that over 150,000 blacks, slaves, war move to or transport it to texas and did not know for almost two years that they were free. so for me, it's a little

bit of a heart, heart. it gives me a little heartburn, but i'm hopeful that if we can get it out, but again, i just would like to say also with everything that's going on in alabama from critical race theory two the yesterday, two days ago, they passed legislation. you can't say gay anymore in a state of alabama whether it be human rights again, women's rights i'm just simply saying to your listening audience, everything that we're experiencing will be a roll if we're not careful in november everything will be rolled back on. people that looked like me, that looked like you or that are do not look like my counterparts. so i was listening to your conference precise you in a moment ago with the mayor. i'm saying to plead vote, listen people everything is being taken away from us. >> yeah. >> you don't want to be one of the things that really stands out to me. >> and alabama has more confederate holidays than any

other state jefferson davis specifically, i want to offer this to people who are in other states and other parts of the world who cannot fathom while the president of the confederacy still has a holiday that celebrated every year, this february 29, 18, 60 jefferson davis said this in defense of slavery in his home state of mississippi. we recognize the fact of the inferiority stamped upon the race of men by the creator. creator. and from the cradle to the grave are government as a civil institution, marks that inferiority. that's jefferson davis, that's the man who has holiday and state workers will have to choose between celebrating him and celebrating the emancipation of those slaves in texas, alabama, state representative wonderland give van. thank you so much for the work you're doing and for spending some time with me this morning thank you for having me. thank you. >> some students at morehouse

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though, the election for just a second. this is also a time when some college students are speaking up about us policy on israel and gaza, morehouse has not seen the protests like we've seen on other college campuses, including here at atlanta. but students and faculty had been expressing concerns with the timing of the president's visit and some even argue the historically black college alma mater of dr. martin luther king junior should rethink the invitation the school held a forum for faculty members on thursday to address their concerns. >> but even before it began administrative said and this is a quote please know, going into this conversation that the college does not plan to rescind its accepted invitation to president biden joining me now is more house senior calvin bell. calvin first congratulations on graduating. >> okay second, let's just start with your opposition. why do you think the university should resend it? invitation to the president? >> well, from i believe that

this is a major distraction. we are the class of 20 24, so we're that infamous class that went through covid-19. and for us, this means a lot we went through four years of hard work to make it to this point. and for us, this is a big congratulations and that means that we didn't want a bunch of controversy around it, but rather an opportunity for our families too. see however, this is the president of the united states. this is not a normal commencement, which means that tsa will be heightened in terms of security procedures. so secret service will be there. and i believe that that can put a hindrance on our families, but for two anywhere, the president speaks right now. it seems to be a heightened level of protests surrounding his name and his actions and steps that he's taken towards the situation in gaza. and we've seen surrounding college campuses throughout this country that civil disobedience is on a high students want to have their voices heard and

going into the 2024 election in november gaza is on the minds of students and the decision will come down to the ways in which the president approaches the situation well, he decide to call for a season it's fire, or will he retract and continue to do what he has been doing in terms of proceeding to provide aid and resources to our allies across the seas. i think that when we consider $1 over $1 by congress being passed in foreign aid to taiwan to israel as well as ukraine. this is taxpayer money that can be funneled and utilize and so many different ways, far more than $1 billion going to ukraine. but let me ask you, then, this is from the student government president. there. he says that this was part of a statement released in the announcement, we're community of scholars who who are familiar with and understand the complexities associated with engaging many of our

sociopolitical guest, president biden visit is yet another opportunity for our community to engage in his presentation and remain open to his reflection while maintaining a critical investigation of goodwill. why is that the wrong approach? why not hear from the president? >> and demand also that he hear from you that there be some form with the president if you want to come and speak to us, you've got to hear what we have to say. i certainly believed that students don't want a campaign speech. we don't want metrics on what the biden administration has done but rather how can we wrestle with the issues at the forefront? and by us wrestling and being critical of the issues here, that means setting the tone at the forefront, which means deciding whether it is, it is even the right mood to give the invitation to president biden. and the first place. not only because of the kind of sentiment surrounding his name, but also because of the the sentiments that we've have received and the principles that we stand on as an institution. it's important for

us to consider those things. >> again, we have not seen the types of protest and encampments that we've seen in other universities and other campuses. >> what do you expect we will see on commencement sunday? i think it's inevitable that protests will occur and that civil disobedience will self-actualize itself. i believe that students will stand up and possibly turn their backs as the commencement howard as we saw on display, faculty members may you're not sit on stage because they don't want to seem as though they are siding with the administration, but rather that they had the students interests and taken in place and that they are considering what the students believe did you vote for president biden in 2020? >> i do. i did. and i do. and i hope to vote for him, but right now, i'm in the middle. i as i go into 2024, i want president biden to recognize that black seeing youth, especially black

youth, are not pawns in order to stay in office but rather we care about issues that impact us in issues that impact others and that's very important. the new generation that is coming up when not be shut out, we'll not be unheard. when not just vote to vote but rather because we understand that voting means something going into 2024 we're calvin bo, thank you so much. thank you there's an update in the push to ban menthol cigarettes, which experts say would save tens of thousands of black lives. >> but those experts are not happy about the latest decision will give that to you. plus uncle loop for congress. what the reference now saying about a run for office the white house correspondents dinner live tonight at seven eastern on cnn it's never a good time

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journalist tracie mcmillan, set out to put a number on just how much of a benefit she has received. she examined the history of five families, including our own and published the findings in her new book, the white bonus. five families and the cash value of racism in america, tracy, thank you for being with me. it's such a fascinating approach to so many things we've talked about on this show, the disparity of investment, diversity, equity, and inclusion. what led you to the book? >> sure. well, i work as a journalist, but i also am a white person in this country and i felt like i needed to be honest about what i was getting for being white and i don't make a ton of money. so for me, the conversations around white privilege usually center on both sort of racial privilege and class privilege. and i wanted a way to get at this idea of what do i get, what do we all get for being white? and i thought the best way to do that would be to try and figure out if i could estimate how much of sort of racial

advantage had shaped my life, just in real terms, privileges, super amorphous, kind of ghost-like. you can't grab on to but if you have a number, then you can actually have a conversation. >> so let's talk about the number your estimate is that you had benefited from your whiteness to the amount of $371,934.30 since explain how you got to that number sure. >> so it's comprised of two sums, so there's both a family bonus and a social bonus, right? so when we're talking about a white bonus, we're looking at sort of the amount of money an individual white person has gotten are safe because of white supremacy and policy or practice, right? so for me, about 146,000 of that comes from money that i got from my family that i then when i went back through our family history, can pretty reliably say we wouldn't have had access to that money, have we weren't white. right. and my family no, i didn't know this one. i wanted to the project, but all the money that gets passed down

to me comes from one grandfather who became a banker and the 1920s and 30s. so when 1930, there were about a quarter million bankers in the only 80 of which were black so very unlikely you would have had that job and been able to accrue that kind of wealth. if he had an event, white, as well as, you know, he had a racial covenant on the house that he owned, right. and then sold and was a we'll go into assisted living as an elder. so that's 146,000 there. but then really right, the social bonus that i get as an adult when i'm out in the world. so people offering me a jobs, offering me apartments. i mean, these are things i have to qualify for and work at. right. but i get given these opportunities all of that combined with being able to build equity through property ownership in detroit, where i was only able to tie housing because of racism had ruined the housing market. there, right? that comes up to about 226,000. >> well, tracy, we only have about 45 seconds or so left. but what do we now do with this? now that you have

calculated it, and we all know that according to your estimate, what it is, what do we do with it i mean, fight to end racism, right? >> i think something i also look at is the cost of racism. two americans, including white americans right? racism has impoverish our democracy and eviscerated but our safety net, most of us need access to those things to survive. >> and i think even if you go back through my numbers, i wouldn't need most of that money from my family if we had affordable education and housing and health care in this country, right? >> and so i think for all of us, there's a real vested interests not in fighting racism as charity, but as something that hurts everybody and it's worth fighting against tracie mcmillan, nima read the title of his book again, the white bonus, five families and the cash value of racism in america. thank you so much for being with us. we've got to get right on it on cnn right now. all right coming up

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via the windsor smerconish next on cnn beyond say became the first black woman to top billboard's hot country songs chart with a new album. >> now a new documentary from cnn's flash docs unit call me country beyond, say, a nashville's renaissance examines this reckoning in the genre and the historical roots of country music q, the banjo my banjo being on a world recognized song is just kinda blowing my mind that banjo represents hundreds of years of

our history, whether people know it or not banjo, is an. >> instrument invented by people of african diaspora in the caribbean enslaved people brought versions of the banjo to the united states over on the ships. and then it makes its way up with them to north america and becomes essential part of black life and there's loads of white people playing music to it, took the scottish, the african native american people to come together. i'm going to borrow this and i'm going to borrow this. i'm going to borrow this. >> and like it's like gumbo call me country beyond say and nashville's renaissance is streaming right now on macs. and i've got a new outfit to on why cowboy carter is one of my favorite beyond say, albums but it did not start that way. check it out now on cnn.com, you can find it in our opinion section also tweeted out a link to it beyond this album did not just start a conversation about country music though her album

cover also put black rodeo culture front and center ivan mclellan says a summer trip opened up the world of black rodeos to him. and now his photographs do the same for others who didn't know it even existed i haven't mcclellan, i live in portland, oregon. i am a botox refer and radio producer in kansas city, where i grew up. i saw black folks in my community that raise cattle or we would ride horses sometimes after church, but as far as like cowboy and rodeo are really associated it with white folks, filmmaker named charles pair invited me to come with them to a black rodeo in oakland the oklahoma. >> it was this amazing technicolor of life experience for me to see so many cowboys engaging in their true illuminating a. >> piece of the culture that i never knew about because i was just sort of taking the pictures were fun. i started in an instagram account called

eight seconds and started posting the bond photos on the air and people were like, i had no idea that this was a thing. just like i didn't know little nows x in old town road came out. it was hip hop all blended together with the swagger that really represented what the athletes were doing in the arena and what cowboy carter is due at now is just spreading that even further and deepening the conversation. so it's it's all of it is good for them the culture, all of it is stopped that folks in it are super proud of. and it's just amazing to see these folks getting the recognition that they deserve ivan's photo book is titled eight seconds black rodeo culture. it's out on tuesday, april 30, and available to pre-order. now thank you so much for joining me today. i will see you back here next saturday at 8:00 a.m. eastern. smerconish is up next