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there are injuries here. we just don't know how many, but yet look at the size of that tornado. let's get to the maps here. i'll show you what's going on. it could be a continuously violent night all the way through good morning hours. we will see tornadoes likely on the ground throughout the night, all the way from really almost texas into nebraska. this red box here that's the tornado watch box, which means they're possible these pink boxes, which means they're happening. so for you, bennington, missouri valley, that would be blair right over here. here's i6 at omaha. but what i'm concerned about down here south of syrupy county, this are more storms here that are violently rotating and are working toward omaha proper, where the storm here missed the western suburbs of omaha. almost elkhorn really. but this is the area that i'm most concerned about over the next 30 minutes or so now for she knew can kansas, you have some storms to your west as well? they are also rotating down in texas. it is hail and a wind event for you, we will watch the tornadoes because they are on the ground right now.

>> all right. scary stuff. meteorologist chad myers, thanks so much. the other major story this hour they four of testimony in donald trump's criminal hush money cover up trial is just wrapped up for the week. what a week. it has been for the former president today in court, the defendant watched three witnesses testify, including his former assistant, wrote a graph as well as david pecker has reported friend and former publisher of the national enquirer, testifying about the deal that pecker says he helped broker with adult film star and director stormy daniels. pecker today in his fourth, day of testimony, admitting he would kill stories, meaning he would he would buy them and then not run them. so as to influence the 2016 election and quote, to help a presidential candidate. candidate being his friend, mr. trump prosecutors say trump's false location of business records over those hush money payments to stormy daniels amount to an illegal conspiracy to subvert the election by concealing information from voters first we'll see if the

jury goes goes along with that theory. that is just one of the legal drama starring mr. trump this week yesterday, his federal election subversion case was front and center. as the us supreme court heard oral arguments on his claim the presidents are immune from prosecution for official acts they commit while being president, the justices seemed to be leaning towards rejecting his claims of sweeping immunity trump also took a loss yesterday when a federal judge of held the verdict and award in e jean carroll's defamation case against mr. trump denying his motion for a new trial altogether this week, mr. trump also finds himself listed as an unindicted coconspirator in both arizona and in michigan's 2020 election subversion investigations. and indictments. let's discuss all of this with ronan farrow, contributing writer at the new yorker, who has done extensive reporting on david pecker& his company, ami, as well as the karen mcdougal catch and kill

deal ronan's a lawyer, also the author of catch and kill lies, spies, and a conspiracy to protect predators. ronen, good to see you again, my friends. so today the defense tried to expose small inconsistencies in pecker statements. they focused on a key august 2015 meeting at trump tower with pecker& trump and cohen were pecker said he agreed to be the eyes and ears for the trump campaign, flagging any negative stories about trump to michael cohen the defense asked, did you ever are specifically use the term catch and kill in the meeting and pecker replied, no, i did not but then under redirect questioning from the prosecution, pecker reiterated the contents of the 2015 meeting, saying my understanding is those stories that come up, i would speak to michael cohen and tell them these are the stories that are going to be for sale that if we don't buy them somebody else will and then michael cohen would handle by them or trying to make sure that they don't ever get published unquote. so even if the term catch and kill wasn't used you wrote a book

called catch and kill. is that not catching gill that is the definition of this colloquial term that has emerged around this catch and kill, which was a term that i and other journalists around this first started during from ami employees it was something of what's called a neologism. >> it entered into the discourse partly through this, and it was a practice the enquirer had engaged in for a long time, this sort of stick and karatay we'll buy up the unflattering stories. maybe we won't run them. also. will run flattering stories about you. they had done that if hollywood celebrities in the past, and here they were clearly applying it in a political context and it was apparent to all of us digging through the trail of money on this, that even if the underlying rumors about a fares are supposed, love children, didn't matter at all and we didn't care what did matter was the potential flexion line implications of the transactions, as you pointed out on the stand today pecker

faced a meal beauvais, one of these trump lawyers who on cross-examination, had to eject its he tried to pick apart pecker's credibility by looking at the long history of cooperative statements he's made to law enforcement over the past year is about this and finding any can you a little difference. did he initially say that hope hicks was present for some of that meeting that you mentioned or did he not tried to impeach his memory about those things? and then the other thing, beauvais was trying to establish was were these deals that were also just in the interest of the national enquirer in the usual sense that they would have sold pulled issues and that was the main objective of these transactions. here's the thing. david pecker has come off extremely well for prosecutors in this case so far. he's been very composed. he has a avuncular manner during this case so far and he has repeatedly saying the main point, which is the one you highlighted, which is in the face of all of this, he's saying no, this was not the normal course of business even

if they were on the margins ways in which it might have benefited the enquirer in the usual sense, there was this other objective here to subvert the election. >> yeah. and pecker acknowledging that the story that he helped kill, that he paid $150,000 to kill one of the stories you help break karen mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen mcdougal, what do you know about david pecker and his relationship with donald trump that the jury did not here well, one thing is that it was a wider, deeper relationship than is being admitted into this case. there

was a safe that contained a lot of materials about trump those materials moved locations several times over the course of disk becoming an electoral issue. there was a list that i was shown by a senior ami source of trump's stories, not all of them terribly consequential. some of them were his feud with rosie o'donnell, but some of them were also potentially unflattering ones. so this was a deep and wide relationship and pecker saying over and over again now this was about trying to help donald trump get into the white house is confirmation of something that ami lied to a lot of reporters, including me about back when these things were first emergent. >> also that save helps helps explain perhaps why mr. trump has not criticized david pecker at all. i want to ask you before you go, because yesterday we saw i made a major court ruling completely separate from the trump case also on a subject that you've broken a lot of stories about and you think it could ultimately manner for trump the new york court of appeals

overturned harvey weinstein's 2020 eviction for sex crimes basically, the court said that the lower court made a mistake by allowing women to testify about allegations of sexual assault that we're separate from the three for which he was actually charged in that case, you are at the forefront of investigating, reporting a multitude of allegations against weinstein. you say this ruling could come back to haunt trump's judge juan merchan in trump's trial, explain well, it illuminates a shared legal issue that is at the heart of both of these cases of course, for activists and for survivors of harvey weinstein's alleged crimes it's an anguished moment, to hear that one of his conviction was overturned on essentially a question of legal technicality, the way the case was built. >> but for legal spectators, it's less surprising because this was always a case where prosecutors overextended a bit in the context of the new york rules of evidence on what you can lead into a case he was

being charged on three pledged assaults and they let other women with other accounts of unrelated assaults come in and testify. and i have a new piece out in the new yorker detailing what exactly the rules are and why that always seemed like a bit of an overextension. now, this doesn't matter that much for harvey weinstein's immediate future. his lawyers in california where he asked to serve us separate 16 year sentence. that's essentially going to put them away for much of the rest of his life are saying, well will it could help us on appeal in california, but that's a much stronger case. i've been in touch with the prosecutors in that case and california's rules for letting in that kind of evidence of uncharged alleged bad acts are for much more lax and permissive. that ruling is less than jeopardy. he's less likely to be affected. what it does affect is the general case law on what you can let in in terms of uncharged acts in new york. and that is interesting in the context of this trump trial because of the trump trial hinges on charges about one

transaction from michael cohen and stormy daniel's but much of the case prosecutors are building is about the wider pattern, about uncharged acts, namely all of these ami options interesting ronan farrow, always good to see the book catch and kill. >> it's a great read. we've covered it before on the show. thanks so much for being here, ronna, good to see you also today, both president biden and donald trump out with big now that's when it's both saying they would be willing to debate each other. the american people do deserve a formal discussion on the most important issues of our time, when and where that might actually happen. we do not know. plus a reversal from a student at columbia university who led pro-palestinian protests. he said, in a rant that was televised for at least broadcast, at least in part on instagram live, he said that zionists don't deserve to live as other students are echoing that wild, clearly anti-semitic claim and more demonstrations are spreading is, is apology such as it is too little too

late. >> we'll be right back somebody would ask her something and she would just walk right past we didn't know they were talking to her. i just could not here. i was hesitant to get the hearing aids because of my short hair, but nobody even sees them i've nearly invisible hearing aids are just one reason we've been the brand leader for over 75 years. >> when i finally get here for the first time, i could hear every if called miracle ear 18002 347090, and schedule your free hearing evaluation today. >> i've struggled with generalized myasthenia gravis, but the patient where already doing this again, white house correspondents, i thought you were you're not in town for that. you're too fancy and i'm skipping out on it. >> you know, the new yorker doesn't have a culture of going. >> and then it's so fun, but also it's like that's rubbing elbows. >> no, no, it's definitely i feel like last time i saw yeah. i feel like i'm the last few

times i've seen you in person, it's often at the white house correspondents, a party one way or another to be clear i stand on no high horse. i will go do the grocery woozy thing at some point, but now i'm skipping it out this year. i want to see you soon though, and if you do great show and i loved being on jake. >> thank you so much, ron, and keep keep on keeping on. you're doing such a fantastic job. we love having you on. >> i'll talk to you soon. >> they don't deserve to live comfortably let alone zionists don't deserve to live commodity james ii spokesperson

for the student protests at columbia university, said this more than once

eah. mark has, jake tapper all. >> hombre tbi me. i said hi international lead protests on campuses are spreading to colleges throughout the country from california to indiana, from illinois to georgia. at emory university in atlanta,

clashes with police turned physical in some cases as 28 people were arrested prompting a group of democratic george ohio state lawmakers to condemn, quote, the excessive force used on quote negotiations continue at columbia university to find a way to resolve the conflicts and remove the tense before graduation. one of the issues being debate in all of this is how much are these protests? solely rooted in concern for palestinians and opposition to what the israel defense forces is doing in gaza. because we have seen sentiments expressed by some of the groups behind the protests that the hamas terrorist attacks on civilians on october 7 were mere quote resistance and some have said that israel should not exist. other individuals associated with the protests are in the protests have said wildly hateful and anti-semitic things, including as cnn's miguel marquez reports for us now, one of the columbia student leaders behind the

protests on that campus zionist de don't deserve to live comfortably, let alone zionist don't deserve to live. commodity. james eight spokesperson for the student protests at columbia university, said this more than once. in a personal social media post in january the same way we're very comfortable accepting that. >> nazis don't deserve to live ashes don't deserve to live racist, don't deserve to live xy he's comments. >> james unapologetic i think we need to shift the conversation from people's comfort to the hundreds of thousands thousands of people who have been displaced. >> the tens of thousands of people who have been murdered by israel harder your words help. i think it's very

important to your words, health i think it's very important for people to understand that the conflation of anti zionism with anti-semitism is woefully incorrect. >> act and wrong again, what do you apologize again? as i mentioned earlier, we believe in the sanctity of life here at this encampment. >> despite his calls for a class of people to cease existing, james nearly daily expresses his belief that israel is committing genocide. >> while israel plants to move forward with its genocide, backed by the united states and other western powers. it is important to remember why we are here after being confronted, james released a statement saying, in part, i am frustrated that the words i said in an instagram live video have become a distraction for the movement for palestinian liberation. i misspoke in the heat of the moment for which i

apologize some jewish students at columbia say they have been called zionist by protesters just for being jewish. other jewish students have taken an active part in the protests for what they view as an overbearing israeli response to the october 7, hamas terror attack and a weak us response to continued bloodshed it's possible that pro-palestine protest might make some jewish students feel uncomfortable, but i will emphasize that the pro-palestine protest here at the encampment are they have fundamental values against hate and bigotry that with regard to mr. james the columbia university, he says that they will not comment on individual cases. it's it's not clear if he will face any disciplinary measures because of what he has said so far with a couple of things are interesting. typically, he's out here every day both the gaucher gaiters

that are negotiating with the for the protests because here have distanced themselves from mr. james and he hasn't been seen usually he's here at 2:30 for their press briefing. he's usually available to the press. we've not seen him at all. >> jake, he says he misspoke. i mean, that was quite at length over and over saying that zionists, which i mean, as a matter of fact most jews and for that matter, most americans our zionists think that israel has a right to exist saying that they, we have no right to live. that's quite a misspeaking. >> miguel there's a lot of misspeaking and a lot of people are very upset on both sides about the term zionist and how it is become come to be used. >> jake. >> yeah, i'm familiar with it. i remember when they used to call as a neo cons miguel, thanks so much. the politics lead now and conspiracy theories and misinformation online polluting the 2024 presidential race. it's the

subject of a brand new episode of the whole story this week featuring reporting done from cnn zone, donie o'sullivan. here's a preview the job of the journalist is to ask the questions, allow the person to speak, and just freeport the facts. what was spoken, would you like for me to pull up the definition of journalists? okay. but thank you, julia. okay. >> i have a god-given right to speak my own truth, but there are facts, rice the facts have shown that the election was stolen. whether you're willing to look at that and accept that. and really show what's going on. that's your issue, not ours. we want the god-given freedom that our constitution and our bill of rights is based on. >> god given constitutional rights yes. there are two different things right now. so they're not read our ead, the

constitution, read it out loud to yourself so that you hear what the words of the constitution say. >> god isn't mentioned than the constitution sar dani is with me now, what happened after she looked it up? we found out that god is mentioned in the constitution and look that gets to a broader points. and we've heard a lot about christian nationalism in this country over the past year i've spoken to many christian pastors over these past few months and they will say a lot of people, a lot of trump's supporters will think that the christian god very specific version of the christian god is all over the us constitution. and there's this conflation between the united in states and between the land of the bible and it's because of that is that a lot of these folks

who are also convinced that the election was stolen they now view this as a biblical crusade to steal it back and to save america. so it's misinformation on top of a very perverse view of patriotism. and christianity, quite a thing. so there's this new cube whole finding nearly three-quarters of registered voters are very concerned, are somewhat concerned about other countries spreading false information inside the us to divide americans. but it'd be quite frank. we don't need other countries to be doing it. we're doing it to ourselves. that's what you're reporting shows. >> absolutely. yeah look, i think the we know from reporting from even what secretary blinken said today to cnn, there's concerns there that russia, china, iran, everybody else is going to be trying to poke, poke divides in the united states. >> but as you say, americans were perfectly capable of creating myths and disinformation ourselves. and also just the social media landscape has changed so much

in the past few years. what we'll also talk about in this documentary on sunday is after trump got kicked off, social, major social media sites after january 6, 2021. so did a lot of his supporters, because they were sharing q and on our election conspiracy theories and a lot of those people that got kicked off the major social media platforms for sharing this information have actually gone to alternative platforms that have rad, radicalized them. further. so it's likely parlor telegram telegram, especially on telegram, is this place where you can go in starting just reading about politics and very quickly descend into a world of racism, anti-semitism, hace and god knows what else. >> all right, don't know solve and i can't wait to see it's going to tariff terrifying. i'm sure misinformation and the trump faithful, it's an important report watch it on the whole story with anderson cooper sunday night at eight, only here on cnn, an american treasure donie o'sullivan,

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>> we're ready. just tell me where i will do it at the white house. that would be relaxed that's bringing are political panel, bacardi winds move. >> mr. biden to put this out there. president biden put this out there. there have earlier he had said something like, well, we'll see because i'm not sure if he can behave himself about trump. no, i think it was a wise move because today was about pushing back on narratives. >> i think you saw some of the articles come out are some of the stories come out about the biden administration not giving long formula views versus new york times, et cetera. so the sit down with how it's done. this is about showing his vitality. i think people will be interested to see donald trump versus joe biden. i don't know how much substance will come out of that debate. it may be more like watching a car crash. but here we are. i mean, it'd be good pay-per-view tv by the way, special ed schools that'll be crashing hey, you're here because your book, i just want to make sure. know about your new book the moment thoughts on the race reckoning that wasn't and how we can all move forward

now. so congratulations on that. thank you. so everybody out there gets a copy. >> good mover a bad move by joe biden. do you think that i mean that's a lot to debate donald trump. it's a lot. >> it is a lot, but he wants to be president in the united states again, so he needs to debate his opponent. i think that that makes sense, and i think the american people want to see it. i liked this interview because it really was not about policy out of the 74 with howard stern towered star, it was maybe six minutes of policy talk and it went through joe biden's entire story. now you may think someone who has been in politics for as long as joe biden doesn't need to tell his personal story again. but there are still a lot of voters who don't know who he is don't, don't understand why he is wanting to serve the country and he kinda laid that out about his commitment has struggles what he's overcome and what his passions are. so i thought the interview was good. i also thought it was interesting. it was howard stern. i mean, i don't listen too much. howard stern and never really have, but he's a lot easier on his guest. now i remember her son used to be the

shock jock and now he are your young to remember when he was really well, he was let's bonding over the president in this interview and i was quite surprised, well, he wants i think it's fair to say that howard stern makes no bones about the fact that he thinks joe biden should be re-elected. it was a very personal interview harry, he talked about contemplating suicide after the death of his first wife and daughter. that horrific a car crash. he also said something that caught the ear of our resident fact checker, daniel dale. take a listen true story should remember when there are desegregating linfield, the neighborhood doing 70 ohms bill to want suburbia and i told you in there is a black family moving in and there's people were down there protesting. >> i told you not to go down there and you went down. remember that you came recipe and in on the porch with a black family, right? and they brought you back the police. i said, yeah, my my remember that so this is not the first time

he's made this claim. >> cnn's daniel di all ran a fact check on it, found there's still absolutely no no evidence for it. and we forget that because donald trump is who donald trump is, that joe biden has a lot of this too. yeah, he does a lot of this. you know, there are a lot of things that joe biden says, oh, this happen 50 years ago or my uncle or my father and so on, so forth. and the fact checkers go in and they say, wait a minute, we can find no evidence for this whatsoever, but of course the problem is if you're trying stick joe biden with the idea that he says some dishonest things. just look across the aisle right. and i think that's the issue that has continuously run into opponents of joe biden, especially donald trump, because you know, joe biden may say one or two things and i know a week, a month, a year that the factor could say, wait a minute, hold on a second. donald trump says that many things day. so it just is a big issue. >> doug. >> i mean, it is true that the joe biden is known for these apocryphal stories shall we say, and cannibalism being one

of the latest. >> oh yeah, that his uncle yeah. in world war ii plane went down. may have been eaten by cannibals and papa new guinea is actually out there saying in what are you talking about this never happened, but again do you think cannibals are going to tell their story it's time to get the other side, getting your both sides. >> well, we'll look when donald trump talked about countries, he got a lot of criticism for it. i think very reasonably so pop into guinea is not happy about this. and as we look at what's going on in asia, and obviously with china on the move out there, this does have ramifications. it's not just uncle joe telling another crazy store in i'm mindful of look, we know that presidents want to seek friendly audiences. they also are trying to communicate new ways. that's not entirely new. but this weekend is the white house correspondents weekend. and then there's a time-honored tradition of accepting the trump years. the president saying, white house correspondents, what you do, what you do is so vital to democracy. and this week is joe

biden snubbing the white house correspondents association, snubbing what mainstream that go into the dinner tomorrow? know the meaning that he's in fighting with the new york times. and where does it go with those to howard stern. so he's going to tell the white house press corps how important they are, but he doesn't actually talk to them. i think that's a problem. yeah. i mean, the times doesn't go to that dinner to though, but i mean, not that it matters. it's all inside baseball stuff, but i hear what you're saying. he gave an interview, howard stern, who is not exactly remember the white house correspondent dinner. and you're gonna be, you're gonna be on the red carpet for us i'm absolutely going to be on the red carpet being a tuxedo, it's gonna be the one time during the year in which i wear a tie. if you're keeping costs are passer, i might have some chocolate matzo, egg matzo regular matzah for you to partaken. it should be a fun time. i'll have some cnn folks that will interview and hopefully perhaps a few celebrities as well. >> so one other thing i do have to bring up because when we sat down here during the commercial break, this is all anybody talking about south dakota governor kristi noem is getting a lot of attention after writing in her upcoming book, obtained by the guardian newspaper about how she killed her dog after this puppy, eight

some chickens, a cnn article describes, quote, she attempted to tame the dog who she said behave like a train n assassins to try to try to train it with an electric collar, but ultimately made the decision to play her down the dog by shooting earn a gravel pit after an incident in which the dog attacked a local families chickens and beat them. >> it was not a pleasant job. noem rights according to the guardian, but it had to be done and after it was over, i realized another unpleasant job needed to be done. that's about her killing a goat in a post on twitter at governor noem said today, what we love animals, but tough decisions like this happen all the time on a farm. i did not grow up on a farm. anybody here grew up on a farm, but i don't think it would be. i grew up on a farm and i'll how insane she sounds. for putting down dogs. i mean, my goodness, questions have, you know, man's, best friend is a dog. my my twitter profile picture is my childhood dog it's, all i ever talk, about is how much i love dogs. now, i don't have really horses in this political race. i try and watch it passionately. nonpartisan only. but as a dog lover, i hear that quote and i go, my goodness,

gracious. she shouldn't be anywhere near the white, but somebody got somebody allow that to be written on and published what a dog owner whose dog is poorly trained i'm offended by that, and there was another way to do it. and the fact that she felt like she should brag about it is disgusting, but also kinda just there's no going about nothing about your criticism fair for transporting. thought about all the roof. this is miles worse. it's going to take this to the bar. >> thanks to all of you. for being here and i'll see you all out tonight. i'm guessing and harry enten of course, as we mentioned will be on the red carpet tomorrow in his tuxedo for cnn's coverage of the white house correspondences oc, she did a president biden community collin, joseph headline the event. that's tomorrow night at 7:00 eastern on cnn and streaming on macs and harry, i'll stop by, i promise i don't want any lottery i don't want any months ago up next breaking news about a former controversial governor and his handling of one of the biggest crises this country has seen in decades james your wares can go

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health lead four years after the start of the global covid, pandemic. >> more information continues to come to light about how some states may have mishandled the crisis, including in one of the hardest hit states, new york, in march 2020, then governor andrew cuomo, a democrat, issued an advisory that forced new york nursing homes to readmit patients who had been hospitalized with covid with no requirement to test them first to make sure that they weren't contagious and wouldn't spread the virus. among the other, walter horrible resonance of the nursing homes. now cuomo has attempted to defend that he claimed it was following guidance from the trump administration, though the trump administration disputes that critics say the policy either way resulted in thousands of needless deaths of 2021 investigation by new york attorney general letitia james, also a democrat, found that the new york state department of health under cuomo, quote, under counted nursing home covid deaths by as much as 50% unquote& a 2022 audit by new york state comptroller, also a democrat, concluded that former governor cuomo is health

department, quote, failed to account for approximately 4,100 lives lost due to covid-19 in new york nursing home just last month, the chair of the select subcommittee on the corona coronavirus pandemic and the house of representatives, congressman brad wenstrup subpoenaed former governor cuomo and ohio republican congressman brad wenstrup, the chairman of the subcommittee, joins us now, chairman wenstrup, thanks for joining us. you have an announcement to break right here on the lead about how former governor cuomo has responded to your subpoena. what is the news? >> yeah. well, i do want to say and what we putting something out shortly, but i'll tell you here right now that governor cuomo will becoming appearing before our select subcommittee on the pandemic on june 11. this will be a transcribed interview at 10:00 a.m. this is nine months after we initially started reaching out to the governor to ask him to come in and testify in front of us. we were ignored on many of our requests. there were delays. we

subsequently had to issue a subpoena. we did that on march 5, subpoena inke the governor for may 24, and it was not until then that he decided that he would come in for a transcribed interview just understand the difference between a subpoena order deposition& transcribed interview. there's slightly different, but both of them you cannot lie or it's it's prosecuted. >> so just to be clear, though, this will be not public and it won't be under oath, even though obviously either way lying to congress is a crime. >> you've got it will make it public eventually, but it will not initially be public. >> who else from the cuomo administration are you going to talk to if anyone? >> well, we're already confirmed that. we're going to hear from doug governor cuomo is former secretary melissa to rosa. we're going to speak to about three members of his task

force, medical advisor, dr.. adams and dr. howard zakhar from the new york health department. and we're looking forward to hearing their versions of what took place because the government wants to say he followed cms guidelines, but if you follow the dates, he did not. the guidelines came out in march 13, 12 days before he issued his mandate for the nursing homes to accept covid 19 patients. >> what are you trying to learn from governor cuomo well, i'm trying to learn why he would do something like this is a doctor who has treated infections. >> it goes against all medical common sense to take someone who was highly contagious and put them in amongst the most vulnerable. the idea to quarantine and to treat them that is not what took place here. and the question is, why, what kind of medical advice was he being given? what was the motive for wanting to do this this move that clearly goes against, as i say, medical

common sense. and i think if i did something like this as a physician, i would be accused of medical malpractice your press release states, quote, evidence also suggests that former governor cuomo engaged in a coverup to hide the true new york nursing home mortality rate from the public and shift political blame away from his administration. >> i know obviously that both the new york attorney general and the new york comptroller, both of whom are democrats have said that the chromo administrators creation under counted covid, deaths from the nursing home rule. but is there actual evidence of an alleged cover up because cuomo has obviously been denying any wrongdoing well, he's going to have the opportunity to deny that again and take a look at what some of the other people are saying actually took place and whether it was intentional to play those numbers down, or whether it was just miscounting. >> so those are the things that we need to get to the bottom of nursing homes aside, and los

angeles times analysis finds it between 20202023, quote. that's by age group as reported by local health departments shows new york city recorded a covid death rate, 40% higher than los angeles county's new york got hit earlier than la, giving la more time to prepare and the difference in vaccination rates and mask mandates could have also been factors given that how difficult is it determine how various policies played a role in the discrepancy between the death toll in los angeles and the death toll in new york? >> yeah you're not going to see necessarily the virus literally being seen jumping to a vulnerable patients in a nursing home. but i think those numbers will speak pretty clearly for themselves. and again, it gives it goes against medical advice, and it goes against medical common sense. so when you see numbers and you say elderly, elderly, where were they elderly that were in nursing homes? nursing homes where they accepted covid-19

patients, were they a nursing homes where the nursing home was prohibited from testing patients, being re-admitted or admitted for covid-19. so a lot of those things think we will speak for themselves if we get the accurate data based on all the surroundings of who was placed where and when. and who was infected with covid and how many people actually died subsequently republican congressman dr. brad wenstrup. >> thank you so much. appreciate your time. >> thank you jay the lead the lead did reach out to the former government or for comment, a spokesman for andrew cuomo told us, quote, there is no news here. >> we agreed to do this months ago on quote. we should note that the committee in response to that statement tells us the cuomo did not actually confirm a specific date for his transcribed interview until two days ago, governor cuomo has an open invitation to appear on the lead to answer any of our questions whenever he has the time fresh off his meetings in

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biden was very clear about that with president xi and i repeated that today in my meetings, but they're not violating the commitment yet as far as you can tell. well, again, i have to look at the specific reports that you're referring to, but we have seen, generally speaking evidence of attempts to influence and arguably interfere and we want to make sure that that's cut off as quickly as possible now, he also said that the us is concerned about china's seeking to mirror russia in terms of influence campaigns in the united states, trying to drive up divisions in the and jake, when it comes to those protests, those anti those anti israel protests that or really surrounding us college campuses right now, he said that protests are a hallmark of democracy. >> and here's how he described this specific protests that we have seen unfold we've heard from israel's prime minister

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