shanghai. he met with business leaders here was part of his message to students earlier today this relationship is one of where the vowels make sure that you are talking to each other each other understanding really comes through he went on to tell those students that the relationships that they are able to build will enable the us and tie it to avoid miscommunication between the two countries in the future and of course, we'll watch to see how these meetings tomorrow go between him and chinese officials here in beijing. absolutely. it's great to have you there, kylie, in beijing. thank you so much. and the next hour of cnn news central starts

right now cnn's breaking news and a breaking new cnn special live coverage of this history defining moment in to courtrooms very shortly, the supreme court will hear arguments over whether a president has absolute immunity. we're talking of course, about donald trump in the january he six case, a new york jury will hear arguments for the man who ran the national enquirer. he is expected to deliver testimony, right out of the gate this morning about efforts to bury stories about playboy playmate.& is good, ultimately get to the xu of what happened. stormy daniels, i'm john berman with kate bolduan this morning. sara sidner is out. we have a live look at the us supreme court not yet. we will have a live look at the us supreme court at some point, you can trust me on that. we are standing by for oral arguments at the court about the issue of

whether donald trump is immune from the actions he took around january 6, of course, he is trying to get the election subversion case, the federal election subversion case dropped completely over that issue of presidential immunity. and let's talk about what's going to be happening, what is happening in new york, donald trump is not what, let's talk with us down. >> trump's not in washington even though he says he wants to be, he's in new york because he is forced to be too de, has trial picks back up soon with testimony from man who bought and buried unflattering stories about him before the 2016 election, david pecker, we've been talking about. he has not testified yet about the deals specifically with stormy daniels, and that likely changes today. we're learning that before the day is out, stormy daniels herself could take the stand any minute. we're expecting to see trump leave trump tower for a second time. already this morning, you're on probably cup of coffee number one, and donald trump's been out and baggett to his apartment through several times. >> c, it has alayna treene and

supreme court analyst joan biskupic are standing by with much more at all as far as joan let's start with you. >> this is the from court matter. of course, at hand. >> what can we expect today? >> sure. good morning, kate and john. it's really a historic day with an untested question. can a former president be completely shielded from criminal prosecution for actions he took while in office now, this does come from the jack charges brought on behalf of the department of justice, the united states here alleging fraud, obstruction, denial of the right to vote things, culminating with the january 6, 2021 attack on the capitol lower federal court judges objected donald trump's claim of immunity here, saying whatever protection he had from criminal prosecution. while in office dissolved once he was out of office. but this isn't untested question. the supreme court has in the past ruled that a former president can be

immune from a civil proceeding, civil damage images, but never addressed the way to your situation of a criminal context. both donald trump & jack smith, their lawyers point to history the constitution, both saying that it works in their favor for donald trump's side. he says separation of powers. the idea that the three branches are independent of each other means that judges cannot sit in judgment of the former president, whereas jack smith are used that there was never any kind of criminal immunity foreseen by the framers of the constitution. any points to a more modern day precedent? that involves former president richard nixon, who was forced out of office in 1974 because of his actions during the watergate scandal and his own effort to try to ensure his reelection back in 1972 but in 1974, after he was

forced out, then president gerald ford pardoned richard nixon. and that pardon jack smith argues, was a recognition that nixon could have been subject to criminal prosecution if he had not been pardoned. so those are the dueling arguments the justices will hear. but bottom line, this trial of donald trump in this particular case has already been postponed since its original march start date because of this detour to the supreme court and we'll probably see a ruling by late june. kate john will be hanging on every word, every question, the way they ask the questions at the court today. all right. alayna treene, to you former president trump and his campaign very, very intent on making a picture. this morning before these hearings begin at the various courts, what do they do and why? >> that's exactly right, john, as we know, donald trump has been trying to continue campaigning despite having to be required in new york four

days out of the week, donald trump admitted that today he went and visited the building site for jp morgan where they're going to be building a new headquarters in new york. he met was some working class voters, construction workers, as well as teams union members. and this is really him, despite new york being overwhelmingly having voted for joe biden in 2020, this is him trying to salvage some of his campaigning and looking ahead to november, despite all of the legal battles that he is facing now one really interesting thing just to touch off what joan was speaking about is that even though donald trump is in new york for his criminal hush money case, he's very focused as well on what's going to be happening at the supreme court today in washington. and at one point, while speaking with reporters, he even said he wished he could have been in washington, dc instead at the judge was keeping him in new york take a listen to how he put it we have a big case the judges and allowing me to go.

we have a big case. the supreme court or presidential immunity. a president has stab immunity if you don't have you just have a ceremonial president john in kate that those remarks right there from donald trump is something we've heard from him repeatedly that a president has to have immunity that he was protected because he was president at the time from his federal indictments. >> and look, this is something that is very crucial to donald trump's legal battles, particularly in these federal cases. the argument that his attorneys have consistently made and something that i know that donald trump has repeatedly complained about in private. is that he really does believe that he had immunity because he was president at the time. and this is something that he really is hoping he can continue to drill into voters minds that he essentially did nothing wrong because he was immune. of course, we're going to hear how that plays out today. and obviously there's a lot of people who argue that a president doesn't have total immunity. he can't just do

anything just because he is present. but this is something that donald trump is really hoping is successful for him today in washington, right? >> the issue is worthy acts, quote, unquote presidential, were they official acts where they outside the scope of the presidency and is a president immune from potentially criminal acts that are outside the scope of the presidency. that's where the law will come down today when the justices here, these arguments, alayna treene, thank you very much. >> if you say it enough, does it make it true? yeah. that's exactly right. the repetition of president is immune from all things that's not what issue exactly exactly right there's also this breaking overnight arizona, several of donald trump's key allies charged for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election talking about arizona, from himself, not charged, yet, described as an unindicted coconspirator number one froms former chief of staff is among those indicted in arizona. and cnn spoke. >> what i'm one with former white house aide cassidy hutchinson about the new charges against her old boss and why she believes he has

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official duties. and of course, here in new york city, you're looking at live pictures at trump tower. donald trump expected to leave there shortly testimony resumes there shortly from david pecker, the man who ran the national enquirer. when we last heard from him, it was really a click okay. or he had just begun talking about karen mcdougal, the former playboy playmate, and his efforts to bury stories about her. this gets into a very important subject areas about what donald trump did and how he did it to keep stories from going public. and he could testify about stormy daniels later as well. there is more news though breaking overnight new charges in arizona against several donald trump's closest associates were trying to overthrow the election results. there former chief of staff mark meadows, is among those charged. now remember cassidy hutchinson worked for mark meadows and she spoke to cnn overnight, cnn senior crime adjusted reported katelyn poland's has the latest on that front, hard to keep up with it all galen yeah.

>> john cassidy hutchinson is not likely to be a witness in this new york hush money trial, but she is someone who had a front row seat to the trump presidency. she was in the white house. she's someone who was very loyal to donald trump at the time it before becoming a key witness related to what happened during the 2020 election that led to other criminal charges against donald trump that he is still facing. and just now, she is reflecting on not just who donald trump was as a president but who he is as a person. here's more of what she told kaitlan collins on cnn's air last night the character of the individual matters far more than any policy that they may or may not implement donald trump's character has been evidenced for very long time, but he's had a team of people around him who have really isolated him in this false identity of a strong menn and somebody that truly believes that they want the

best for the american people. >> that's what he has actions show those he's not for the american people, he's for himself. he's building to go to whatever and necessary to make sure that he is not put in prison like he is currently facing. at the american people don't know the truth about him it's important that the supreme court acknowledges that he does not get to evade consequences and accountability for this, but it's also really important that we hold him accountable in the public court of public opinion as well. >> so john, there she is calling for the supreme court to make quick work of this presidential immunity case against donald trump and sent him on to trial. another thing that she points out is that she believes that many people around donald trump has been complicit in their silence. and that it has become a parent to her, that there are consequences when you split from donald trump's bubble, his world, his white house. but

there are also consequences for staying in that bubble. john all right. >> kaelyn police force, caitlin great to see you this morning let's talk about well all of it and more joining us right now, cnn senior political commentators, former special assistant to president george w bush, scott jennings, and former senior advisor to president obama, david axelrod so today we have this image, right? >> we have three major legal headlines, all having to do with donald trump. and this is perfectly timed with a piece that you have really just written ax about the impact of all of this and what it could be having on donald trump. the piece for the atlantic is headlined what donald trump fears most of potential recognition, reckoning that he has spent a lifetime alluding could be coming. and when you look at donald trump in two courtrooms today, essentially, that really spotlights exactly this. what are you getting out in this piece look, if you look

at the history of the man, his father told him there are two kinds of people in the world. >> there are killers and there are losers.& the meaning of that was that the strong take what they want the week fall away, rules and law us and norms and institutions. those are for suckers. they don't apply and you go and you take what you want and he's lived his life that way and he's gone. he's gone very, very far with that. now he sits in a courtroom in the criminal court building in new york, and he is subject to the control all of the court, he has to sit silently. a man who offers himself has peerless is forced to sit there and wait for a jury of his peers to render a judgment about him and listened to really, really difficult testimony and i think that you can see that it is wearing on him that he doesn't like to be confined in that way. he doesn't like someone else to

have control, but at the end of the day, what matters most is what happens and there is some mystery as to what happens at the end of this process. if he is a convicted felon, that's going to have material impact on him moving forward if he should have a hung jury, which could happen, it could have the reverse effect and it could be the beginning of his way out of this legal morass that he's in because he will use it to taint all the other cases so this is a very portentous moment for donald trump. >> the question is how he's handling it on a day-to-day basis. and akre, i think you pointed out one thing that a lot of observers have noticed add they've been watching this trial in new york, progress, whether you agree with the charges or not, whether you think the trial is going well for him, were badly for him, but you said the weariness and vulnerability captured in those courtroom images. betray a growing recognition that he good wind up as the thing is old man most reviled a convicted criminal, no worse a loser and scott to you, just on

the day to day here enacts recognized. it's got is this the look is this a look that donald trump, you think enjoys and is good for him politically well, no, i mean, you certainly would rather not be in a courtroom. you'd rather be out campaigning and looking like a strong and vigorous presidential candidate is asked points out he doesn't have that luxury right now because he's confined in a courtroom. they're doing what they can, you know, he had a little rally with workers in new york city this morning they are pumping out those images to make it look like he's, he's out there doing what he can to campaign. it must be incredibly jarring for him to not be in control of his own schedule. i mean, i think this is a guy who prides himself on freedom of mobility and freedom of saying whatever he wants. and in both cases, his movements and his speech are somewhat being restricted. i do think that a lot of people are considering what what happened to him if he is convicted and salivating

about that, but not as many people are thinking about what acts just pointed out, the possibility that he is not convicted here, and what that could also mean for his campaign and what it could also mean for him to be able to spend what may happen to him in the future regarding these other cases. i don't know what's going to happen here, but certainly there are a couple of roads out of this. one of them looks very bad and one of them looks like it could be the beginning of a comeback story. if you think the campaign is really nothing more than him just fighting off these legal charges he sure. >> anyone we'll find out just one thing i want to point out. we were looking at pictures before of donald trump out this morning at this construction. >> let's talk more about that. yeah. because i think to me, it reads as it admission to what acts and scott are saying here, which is that the trunk campaigning knowledge is that the look hasn't been good up until now. so what do you do? you go make a picture because ax, i need to lean on your astute political, your political expertise here is new york, a battleground state?

>> know exactly why is he here? >> this morning, but that's exactly what my point is, is that he had to make a campaign just a moment, if you will. and it really was just a moment. it was like five handshakes. then he came to talk to reporters and then x let me get your tape, but let me play what he faced in terms of questions from quarters. when he went to speak with them at this little campaign moment, listen to this we have a big case the judges in allowing me to go. >> we have a big case supreme court or presidential immunity. a president has stab immunity. if you don't have immunity you just have a ceremonial president facing questions about everything he's facing today. go ahead. acts. i interrupt you well well, i just wanted to make a slightly different point about him and what he's been doing and what he's been saying, you know, one of the hallmarks of trump is that he pre spins potential losses. >> so oh months before the presidential election, 2020, he was telling people that it

might be stolen now, he is trying to pre spend this trial and this judge is trying to contain him in that. and with this gag order, a good luck with that. because he knows they're not going to put them in jail the fines are sort of de minimis and he doesn't seem to worry much about that. what he's really interested in doing is telling his counters story about the judge, about the jury, the new york democratic jury about the prosecutor. so that if this thing goes bad that he has a he has pre he is prepared the public for his interpretation of events. so this is a i mean i don't think any hadi would say, hey when we make ourselves a defendant in a criminal trial leading up to the republican convention that the a great run-off will get a lot of attention. but i think he is trying to make the best of what is a terrible situation here by

setting up the kind of thing that we saw before the 2020 election and his orders will buy it. the question is, are the people who are on the bubble, those folks who voted for nikki haley in pennsylvania the other day, for example will they buy are they comfortable if he is a convicted felon? and are they come too comfortable with a spectacle that is grown up around? i think it's he's in a tough spot. >> that's big tbd on that. >> i didn't want if you add more, i didn't want to go wait. >> there's more. i want to hear from you. >> well scott, while this is happening and i know that you've been thinking about this you've been writing about it there's been like actual bipartisan movement on issues that are important to people what, what's the contrast that you think that voters could see between donald trump and his hush money trial and big things happening like major bipartisan international aid package is being passed asked well, i did

write a piece for cnn.com this week about john fetterman & the speaker mike johnson, and how i think they're actually two very different guys, but they're both doing the same thing right now. >> and that's their leading our politics away from the dysfunctional fringe and back towards a pretty broad middle. and there's a wide middle in this country and it contains a lot of different viewpoints. but what the hallmark of the middle is, is functionality. and i wrote about how that we had some bipartisanship, but more than that, some functionality breakout in congress. and i think that's something that the american people want to see. and i think a lot of voters look at this race between donald trump and joe biden. they don't love their choices. they see a lot of the old arguments and reidel relitigating of the past and then they look at people like fetterman and johnson over the weekend. and what fetterman has been doing on israel and they say, this is actually the kind of politics that i really want. people who are looking to advance the ball and people who are willing to but the fringe of their own party, if it means having some functionality, so i

do think the split-screen of all this is interesting and acts brought up this people in the middle in this country, the independence, the suburban voters that people fight over i do think there are watching all of this and they're considering what kind of politics do we want to have and who will stand for a functional middle? we don't always agree on everything, but the ball advances when it can. that's what we got in the foreign aid vote, which was overwhelming in both changing over a wellman le by a partisan. and i think people may doubt that when they look at the two candidates for president right now, one of them needs to grab that message though, and run with it. i'm not sure either has done that effectively yet functionality that you have function bad functionality is now the aspirational bumper sticker for 2024 it's good to see so excited for scott. tell us why this is important. no, no i first of all, i think i i think speaker johnson deserves great

credit for putting those bills on the floor. >> i was thrilled as scott with the outcome of that vote. i don't know. i mean, he's been so thirsty as a regular republicans for regular order and for normalcy and for functionality. so i understand his his feelings right now. either i need to see more evidence that this is a continuing thing more than half the republicans voted against that aid for ukraine. why? because they feared donald trump and they feared the base that problems exists. so i don't know this may be a watershed event or it just may be a passage. and then we returned to politics as usual, and we shall see david rohde, scott genics, thanks to both you. great to see you because function bad but every, but all movements start with a spark, a little functionality breaking overnight donald trump's former white house chief of staff, and a former attorney indicted in arizona 18 of his allies charge. there. he is

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this includes former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, as well as former trump attorney rudy giuliani? yes more charges for them. >> the arizona attorney general, about all of this says that they deceive the citizens of arizona also indicted is boris epshteyn, if former white house aide, who is still one of trump's closest advisers, notably donald trump himself, is not charged in this indictment. however, listed as coconspirator number one cnn zach cohen is in phoenix. he's been looking through it all for us. zach talk us through what this indictments says yeah, this indictment contains non counts, including multiple felonies. >> it alleges that 11 fake electors from arizona and seven of trump's closest allies is immediate orbit after the 2020 election, they engaged in an alleged conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election results by deceiving the people of arizona into thinking trump won this state when he actually had not. and as you mentioned, this

indictment does charge several bold-faced name decoding, mark meadows, trump's former white house staff. and who's but giuliani trump's former personal attorney, who's john eastman, who was that conservative attorney? that's been labeled as the architect of the fake electors plot. but it also includes some people that have not been charged in connection should with their alleged role in attempting to overturn the 2020 election. as you mentioned, boris epshteyn, who was one of trump's closest aides to this day, is charged in this indictment, as well as christina bob, who was a trump attorney, a former trump attorney. she's also a former oan host, and notably she was just actually appointed to a job at the republican national committee as counsel for election integrity of ironic, when up here. but look, i want to the republicans in the state are already pushing back on this indictment. the attorney general here isn't democrat, and the arizona gop is saying that this is basically a politically motivated distraction. they said in a statement, a blatant that this was a blatant. and an unprecedented abuse a prosecutorial power aimed solely at distracting the

public. jake hoffman, one of those fake electors from arizona, who is also a sitting state senator also pushing back and saying that this was politically motivated and being very clear that he says, let me be unequivocal. i am innocent of any crime in this case. but look, the wheels of justice will play out here as we've seen in other states, michigan georgia you did say that trump is not indicted in this case, but he is listed as unindicted coconspirator number one, and the indictment is very clear that this alleged conspiracy was carried out on his back at the beginning of a very long legal road ahead for so many people. it's good to see you, zach. thank you very much as axon phoenix, arizona for us. john. >> we are standing by to see donald trump leave for his new york criminal trial. >> we do understand there is he's leaving trump tower right now. let's walk there. >> it goes behind those buses behind those vehicles getting into his suv and he will drive down to the new york criminal court, a really big day of

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with a cliffhanger just beginning to talk about karen mcdougal, the playboy play he squashed the story, the allegation she had that she had a relationship with donald trump in of course, as soon as core begins this morning, we could learn the judge's ruling in the gag order against donald trump, whether trump has violated it. cnn's kristen holmes, outside the court, within an hour things can get very interesting, kristen yeah, that's right. >> and actually donald trump did a campaign stop earlier this morning. he stopped by construction site where he's talked to construction workers as well as union members. and i asked him particularly about david pecker. when was last time he spoke to a beggar. remember the two of them used to be very close. he wouldn't answer that question. i asked what he thought of the testimony so far all he would say is that he believed that pecker was a good guy, that he's been nice to him. and then essentially walked away after answering that question. so we'll see if he takes any other questions in the hallway, if he stops to speak or if he got his filled during that campaign style but the other thing he commented on it was he

was asked if he would pay the fine, if it was founding violated the gag order. here's what he said hello, i have no idea. >> i have no idea. they've taken my constitutional right away with a gag order. that's all it is. it's election interference is whole thing is election interference? >> and obviously done, we've heard this time and time again, this is the argument that donald trump and his campaign are making. is that essentially all of these cases are because nobody democrats in particular want him running for president, as we know, these cases or not linked to joe biden, there has been no evidence of that, but it is something that he continues to say. the other thing i want to mention here, it will donald trump might be sitting in this courtroom today. he has been laser-focused on what is going on in washington with the from courtney talked about that today as well, saying that he believed the justices were smart, that they were going to do the right thing and keep in mind here this is a big day for him particularly when you look to that supreme court and you'll be looking at these three justices that he appointed hearing those oral

arguments kristen holmes for us outside the courthouse in new york. kristen, we will see you again shortly. thank you. >> joining us right now, a cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, jennifer rodgers, and also the former lead investigator for the january 6 congressional committee. tim hey, fee, it's great to see you guys. thank you so much. lot to get through. but let's start with where kristen left off what should people expect in court this morning in new york? jennifer, i mean, prosecutors haven't yet gotten to pecker's involvement with stormy daniels that has to happen today. >> yeah. >> for sure. first, they're going to start with karen mcdougal because they were intimately involved with that when they paid the money for that one. so he's gonna take us through that catch and kill arrangement and i'm looking for whether they elicit from david pecker, whether he thought that karen mcdougal was telling the truth about their relationship they paid or $150,000. that's a lot of money. >> then they will get into stormy daniels now, pecker an ami didn't ultimately pay that, but i'm interested in all of the back roundabout. >> why not? is it because they

were on the hook for paying the prior ones. they didn't want to pay this one, but all of those conversations particularly any with donald trump about the catch and kill with stormy daniels? >> asked you about the man's get this. i have heard some attorneys many mostly defense attorney saying that so far what david pecker has provided from the stand and described in his testimony is a moral wrong gross maybe but he hasn't laid out anything illegal or criminal yet. >> do you agree? does that if so, does that change today partially. >> here's why the crime is the falsification of business records. he has not provided evidence about that, but that crime, of course, is enhanced if it was in connection with or to cover up a different crime, the different crime is the conspiracy around trying to manipulate the election. david pecker has provided very important evidence about that piece. so it does go to the crime, but not the underlying crime that's charged in the indictment.

>> ten let's turn to the supreme court and the oral arguments we're going to hear in washington today. >> what do you see as the possible outcomes from oral arguments and what do you think of the case given all of your experience investigating much of what is charged by jack smith in the federal election interference case. yeah kate so there are a couple fundamental questions. >> the threshold one is, is there any sort of immunity available to the former president? and even if so, question two is, well, even if there's some immunity for official acts are the act charged here within that zone of the official? mark meadows, if you recall, in georgia, made very similar arguments that he couldn't be charged or he should be charged if at all in federal court because everything that he did with respect to the allegations in the indictment was pursuant to his official capacity, and the judge said, no, it can't be that everything you do is white house chief of staff is part of your official business? so even if the supreme court recognizes

that there's some zone of conduct which could be immune from prosecution jack smith then would have to prove well, these are outside of that zone, so there's sort of threshold question. is there immunity at all government says absolutely not even. so, question two is, do these acts fall within that zone this may feel like i'm jumping around, but it's all wrapped up into one, right? >> we're talking about because now we have this indictment handed up in arizona, tim and one of the people indicted is mark meadows, yet again, charged. he was also charged in georgia as we now talk to me i want to play for you what cassidy hutchinson, who was a very important and star witness for the investigation that you helped lead the congressional investigation into january 6. she was on with cnn last night and was asked about mark meadows. and basically, what he knew when the involvement in i'm just going to say all of this for broad strokes. let me play this for you speaking with

kaitlan collins mark was involved in almost everything he was feeding a lot of information to a lot of different people. >> so some days i felt that mark would acknowledge that mr. trump had lost the 2020 election. mark had believed that himself, but then there'd be other days while i was working for merck where i would sort of question my own belief and that because it seemed like he was also feeling the conspiracy theories in the lives surrounding the 2020 collection and turn the question around. this is what mark meadows really think they the election was stolen or the election was lost and how is that relevant to all this? >> well, hard to say what he really thinks because as ms hutchinson said, last night, we found that he said different things to different people, kate, he at times would say to mitch mcconnell, for example, oh, he's getting there, meaning the president were

getting him around to realization that he's lost and committing to a transfer of power than other days he would be texting with ginni thomas about keep up the good fight and we're going to see this through to the end. so he was sort of chameleon-like in what he said to different audiences depending upon what he thought they wanted to hear. but as what cassidy said is crucial in terms of access, he was always in the room when things happen. there was no one who was closer to president trump over the course of the post-election period before january 6, then mark meadows. so if he were to provide truthful information to prosecutors now at the leverage of yet another criminal case, there's strong incentive to do that. >> he could be the most significant witness for any of these prosecutors. and jennifer on arizona. honestly, this may not i have been kind of thinking about it this morning is the georgia indictment, and i'm i've been calling this a georgia and diamond two point out without trumping charge, the georgia indictment that can kind an august that white why

this now, does that say anything? >> because arizona one well, each stage, of course had its own factual pattern, right. with what happened with a fake electors. and they're all different. arizona actually is one of the stronger ones because those figure electors didn't even include conditional language when they sent in their slate, right? they said, we are the electors and we vote for trump and pence. so it's a strong case. and of course in each of these states, they're evaluating it on their own. this is not a rico case. they've decided not to charge former president trump's. so i expect it will proceed more smoothly and more quickly than georgia has, which is good news. but this is just each individual prosecutor in these states saying, we're not going to stand for this, we have to do something about it just really fascinating. thank you so much, jennifer. it's crazy. so you, tim, thank you. as always, really appreciate your time. >> john we are standing by to see if donald trump will be held in contempt of court in the new york criminal that ruling could come at any minute. we're also standing by to see if the us supreme court will help donald trump in his

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about whether donald trump is absolutely immune from criminal prosecution should be no matter how often he says it, the justices now get to decide if that is actually going to happen. we also have new polling from quinnipiac giving some insight into how voters are feeling about the former president being on trial. we've been tracking this and we have a new edition and some new data to bring in, bringing are harry enten because you've been tracking this force, harry are you seeing movement in how people voters are feeling about donald trump in this hush money trial, we actually are seeing some movements. so i think was a little skeptical that we'd see some movement, but the new york hush money charges are very serious. >> here. we were in september, right? it was just 32%. >> look at where we are now. we're up to 40%. it's still not a majority, right? most people do not. in fact, see the charges is very serious, but we are seeing some movement of this, of course, is important because right now this is the only case that's actually moving forward. we'll see if that's continues to be the case going forward. but if we're looking for electoral movement, the fact that we now see more motor saying that

these charges are very serious is something important going forward on the campaign trail. >> but harry, where is the movement like take, take me into it, take me into that 40? >> yeah is it republicans? i think that's the real question. is the real question? are republicans moving at all? so trump voters with a conviction and the hush-money case impact are 2024 vote it turns out trump voters are not moving. all right, so a march of 2024, it was 62% who said no difference in april of 2024, 62% said no difference. in fact, the only real movement that we see is less likely to bactrim went from 10% in march of 20242 now, in april of 2024, it's now 5%. so in fact, trump voters actually say they're more likely to back him if there's a conviction of hush money case, not less likely. so that's in fact the difference from movement that we're seeing overall were in fact, it's democrats and independents who were in fact saying, you know what these charges are very serious. but of course, many of those are not backing trump. if i and finally, what about the question?

>> donald trump's immunity? the immunity he says, but absolute immunity that he says he should now before the supreme court exactly. do americans believed that he should have criminal immunity? the vast majority, 56% say no, just 28% say yes. so if the supreme court decides that he should have absolute immunity, that is something that applies a very much in the face of public opinion of vast majority say he should not have done immunity. and i will note that's important because the federal january 6 charges the vast majority of the clear majority of americans say that those charges are very serious. k. all right, thanks for acumen track of it all here. >> i really appreciate it, john. >> well, this now is so much trump national security adviser, former us ambassador to the un, john on bolton and i should say a long time, big time lawyer as well. and it's in that capacity, ambassador bolton, i want to ask you to what extent do donald trump's actions surrounding january 6 fall within the boundaries of official acts to your finally tuned legal mine i don't think

they do, which is why a lot of the discussion about the case that will be argued today in the supreme court, i think is kind of beside the point, i think trump will certainly lose on the absolute immunity claim is there's just no possibility that will win the question of whether there should be presidential immunity in some qualified sense for official acts. >> i think is an important question and one that is key to the, to the strength of the presidency within the constitutional system. but having read the indictment in the january 6 case, i'd have to say i don't see anything in there that constitutes an official akre. so i don't think you get to the question or at least i don't think the supreme court has to get to the question of the extent of the immunity it can simply say these are not official acts. these, these are the acts of a candidate which are permissible an incumbent president up until the point that cross the line of criminal behavior that would that could lead to a quick resolution of the case and a

resumption of proceedings in the trial court. >> well, a quick resolution. how would you assess the urgency with which the supreme court has acted on this so far? >> well, i don't i don't think it's acted with the urgency it should i think these are two separate questions, so i think moving quickly and getting the result, whatever it is is important for the country so that we'll see if there's going to be a verdict in the trial, but i don't think urgency auto effect the substance of the decision and on that, there could be a lot of division. i mean, we'll have some indications of it in the argument today will you just elaborate further on what you were saying about why what you believe trump did around january 6 was as a candidate and not as a president doing official acts well, let's say he he let's say it was 2016 and he was running as a private citizen, but we had the facts of the 2020 election and he had

lost narrowly in some swing states if he could turn a few of them around, he would get to 270 electoral votes. so he was calling people. he was mobilizing people, he was sending people into court. all of that is permissible. in fact, i can speak is 33 de in florida veteran of the 2000 recount between gore and bush, what gore did and florida to try and change the election day counted, florida was permissible and a sitting president could do the same thing. but that has nothing to do with the official acts of the presidency. and i think that's what the court should focus on today. we'll see if that happens. >> now. >> this is a hypothetical and maybe even not the most likely hypothetical. >> but if the court does expand expand the permissibility in terms of what a president could be immune for what. would that mean for donald trump if he is elected to a new term? how concerned are you that what a president trump would do with greater immunity well.

>> i think presidents have acted for some time as if they had at least some kind of immunity. and i think that's right for their official acts. i don't think it's it should be subject to second later. trump, for example, uses the argument that harry truman could have been prosecuted for dropping atomic bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki. and all i can say is not in any american court that is, those are functions. the president holds is commander in chief and chief executive officer. and the government so i mean, there are a lot of hypotheticals about what could change in trump's case. i think the court can decide it is very cleanly, very simply, and very quickly if it just says what to me is obvious that you don't have to get into the scope of official immunity. you don't need a separate hearing in the court before you actually get to trial on the immunity issues. none of what trump is alleged to have done with respect to january 6, has

anything to do with his official duties as president? >> very quickly, ginni thomas, the wife of clarence thomas, made phone calls to state and local officials prior to january 6, in an effort to try to overthrow the election or get rid of election results. there. do you believe clarence thomas should recuse himself from the argument today no, i don't. >> and i think people need to be very careful before they start saying the justices have to recuse based on what their spouse is done. i think people ought to be very careful that. and i say it in full disclosure rob is a law school classmate, a clearances. i've known jenny for many years ambassador bolton, great to see you this morning. >> i appreciate your time as always. thank you very interesting to have a month thank you all so much for joining us today. >> this is cnn news central. now, cnn's special coverage of donald trump's immunity battle. now, before the supreme court starts, now