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this morning raid giuliani and mark meadows, to of a number of trump allies indicted in arizona's fake electors scheme. while so historic de the supreme court about to hear a case that could upend every single trump prosecution. >> plus more angry clashes on college campuses overnight, protesters facing off with police over the war in gaza all right, 6:00 a.m. here in washington, this is a live look at new york city where donald trump is expected

to make something of a campaign stop a photo-op here in just a few minutes, we'll bring any news out of that as it unfolds, it's a pretty classic scene from trump's days as a real estate mogul in new york. >> good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's great to have you with us it is an incredibly consequential thursday for former president donald trump. and honestly for the country with the supreme court set to hear historic arguments about whether he's immune from prosecution over the events of january 6 for trump, but he also has to face his hush money trial. that's set to resume today in new york but first, let's get to breaking news overnight from arizona, where numerous trump allies are among 18 people indicted in an alleged election subversion scheme. the list includes the former president's chief of staff, mark meadows. and as former personal attorney, rudy giuliani trump himself, also named as an unindicted coconspirator. the indictment includes nine counts from conspiracy jersey and forgery to engaging in fraudulent schemes. at the core of those

charges. is this moment it was captured on video and shared by the arizona gop in december of 2020. take a look. it shows 11 members of the state's republican party signing a document to submit to congress falsely claiming that trump won the election in arizona. he did not. joe biden, one arizona by about 10,000 votes are panels here. former federal prosecutor elliot williams, ron brownstein, senior editor, the atlantic, former trump administration communications director mike dub key and kate bedingfield, former biden administration communication chins director. good morning. >> to all of you. a elliot, let's just dig into this arizona arizona news because of course, donald trump is an unindicted coconspirator here. but this is another example we've seen it play out in a couple of other states where they tried to send these fake electors to washington. it really underscores two me, the breadth of the scheme that was playing out around the election the scheme that's playing out around the election, and the patchwork of laws around the country in different

prosecutors offices that have chosen to approach these cases in different ways. >> here you see sort of a hodgepodge, a mix fake electors themselves, these sort of people that nobody's heard of? no, they're not national figures, but also people connected to the former president himself, notably, not the former president, but still two former top aides who are as close to him as anybody else, right? other states have chosen to do it differently only choosing to go after fake electors. now again, some of that is based on individual state law. some of that is conservatism or sort of aggressiveness on the part of prosecutors. it's just going to vary around the country. >> yeah ron sort of big picture here. >> i mean, rudy giuliani is already out of money. i mean, we saw i think it was john ellis who was crying and court in georgia but over this clearly, this is one on a long list for many of these people what's going on here that you think is distinct, big picture. >> we are all brought up. we

are all taught in school known as above the law and america and the legal system is creaking and straining and wrenching to see if that is still true. i mean the many trials are donald trump, the fact that he hasn't unindicted coconspirator in arizona on the same day that he is on trial in new york in the stormy daniels and the hush money and the election interference case. and he is he is arguing before the supreme court when you have when you have a political figure with this level of following and this level of all of resources, the question of whether the legal system can truly impose accountability, i think is being tested in a way we have never seen in american history. and the answer, i think is still in the balance. it's not really clear that the legal system can cope with this level of challenge or or this level of resources. >> let me remind everyone what rudy giuliani had to say back on january 6 of 2021 about the legal system that ron is talking about. watch if we are wrong, we will. we've made

fools of. but if we're right, a lot of them will go to jail let's have trial by combat trial by combat. >> mike deb kids now, giuliani and other trump associates facing jail here, right how do you, as someone who served in the trump and mr. me now frankly, the trump folks are trying to undermine the credibility of the system, a system that giuliani sounds like would've been happy to use if it had been on his sayyed. >> well, it sounds like according to add, a lot of fools go to jail, so we might have that problem going on here the issue that i find this fascinating sitting on the political side rather than the legal side of this table is what took so long why are we in such, why are we now in the, in the cusp of a national election? finally, having a grand jury, even hear this in

arizona. so there are a lot of people and the arguments being made that these are political trials. and unfortunately i think with the doj taking its sweet time and these state attorney josh minerals are also being delayed. that it plays into the narrative that this is this is politics by another means. this is politics through the court. >> well, don't forget in arizona, there was a shift in power in 20 those republican attorney general who would not investigate this before 2022. so that is but i think your example on the federal level biden's choice of merrick garland, who by all indications did not move aggressively on this until the january 6 committee forced his hand i has had enormous consequences in the sense that it is going to be very difficult for them to get trump on trial on the key issue before voters have to decide whether to return or the power. >> well, but remember, yes, but remember, i mean, the attorney the attorney general the attorney general's decision to

move methodically was also an effort to make the entire case bulletproof. to this kind of argument, argument that it was pulling luckily motivated that he was using the levers of government to persecute try to turn out, i mean, as a cause for it for question for ellie, but in theory was almost like it was kind of an investigation. we start at the low level and then work your way up with starting with the people who actually storm the capital. good, that investigation really have that much to do with the ultimate indictment of donald trump? and they really were separate. i mean, there was no reason to wait until you had convicted proud boys before you investigated donald trump and january 6 without the action of the january 6 committee. it's not clear they ever would have acted and they have put themselves in this situation. >> i look, i think there's no question you can make an argument that things should've been sequenced differently or that garland should have been more aggressive. i that's fair. but i think from a politico from a political perspective, i think it was also important to try to lay

down as solid foundation as possible that this wasn't a politically motivated process. now whether that was the right call are not i would say it's like part of the selling point for joe biden getting elected was the idea that justice apartment investigations, but not be politicized and time to election calendars and so on. >> and if people got that and didn't like it, because what you end up with a prosecutions than taking a long time. the other thing is sort of to quote, that they're affecting the next election mean. that's what's called the part you come at the king, you best not miss these prosecutors had to be certain that what they had was airtight and even now, you're seeing a lot of legal challenges to would've been even worse have been rushed it yeah. >> okay. >> that is a nice little summation of the quagmire we all find ourselves in here in this country heading into the next election up next year, we're standing by hi in new york city where any moment now donald trump is expected, he's not a morning person, but he's apparently going to make an early morning campaign stops. we've got our eye on that former president also, of course, taking his claim of absolute presidential immunity before the supreme court this

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is in trials. so here's where we are. we are at the the corner of park avenue where gordon seemed to be jp morgan headquarters as a construction site right now, donald trump is going to be working with talking to some of these construction workers as well as some union members. what are the things we know that he is planning to do in the november election is try and drive a wedge between president joe biden, & a core democratic stronghold union members. now, while the big unions, many of them have endorsed mr. joe biden, his team, donald trump's believes that they have some power over some of the rank and file members and they are trying to get as many votes as possible, particularly in the states where it's it's going to matter, states like michigan, wisconsin, and even pennsylvania. all of those battleground states that donald trump won in 2016 and then lost in 2020. but of course, the big day for donald trump is it's not going to be here and talking to these union members what it's going to be in court, both in washington, dc, where he'll be monitoring his team, making those immunity arguments, but also in new york where we're going to hear more from david pecker and it's kind

of salacious testimony while donald trump has to sit in the courtroom all day. and again, this is kind of what we starting to see as a pattern for donald trump in terms of how he is navigating both the courtroom and the campaign trail. they are looking for things to do locally because he can travel other than on wednesdays and saturdays. and as we saw last week, it's saturday rally ended up being canceled because of weather giving him no other opportunities to campaign. so they've really resign themselves. that again is donald trump to this idea that he's going to be stuck in court. >> kristen, can i ask you on that point, didn't they ask the court in new york if they could have today to go down to the immunity arguments at what did the court say and also do you think he actually would have gone if he'd been allowed to? i know that they didn't do it the last time there was a supreme court question, did they really want him to go today to the supreme court arguments they did ask to go they are not allowed to go down there. >> he sas to sit through this

trial. does a criminal trial in new york, however, whether or not he would have actually attended is known. you will note, as you said, he didn't attend last time, there were arguments in the supreme court and i was very intentional. the reason being that they wanted it to show that this was a serious process. they didn't like optics, didn't sitting there and looking at the supreme court, they didn't want him to make any kind of spectacle around the supreme court. they don't view that as a quote, unquote campaign stop the way that they have really treated so many other it's, trial appearances all right. >> fair enough. >> kristen holmes for us. kristen. thank you very much. let's now if you get a question to the former president will come back, talk to you about it? all right. we also want to get to this new video, overnight clashes with police in riot gear at emerson college in boston during pro-palestine demonstrations. and house speaker mike johnson was booed for the full 18 minutes that he spoke in front of a crowd of students at columbia university yesterday good man. did he take action i am here today joining my colleagues and calling on

president shafik to resign if she could not immediately bring order to this chaos enjoy your free speech. >> there were also intents clashes at usc and ut austin between students and police our panel is back now. i'm miked up key mike johnson going to columbia. he was booed for the full 18 minutes, right? if you watched the video, it's pretty intense. what was he trying to accomplish here? what does it say about the big picture here? >> i love the fact that he went that he went to columbia and he knew he was going to be booed. it's not unusual circumstances from that. what was he trying to accomplish? one thing is drawing more attention to this issue and what's happening on these college campus since you've got college students who should have the right to free speech, but it's being invaded almost these campuses are almost being invaded by others trying to create this, this political drama. so i think he was drawing attention

to that. i thought he was also putting the full weight of the legislative branch of the government behind behind, behind israel. and also talking about the fact that there is a role here for the united states and in protecting civilians in gaza, but then also protecting the rights of israel to defend itself. >> kate bedingfield, the thing that i keep coming back to with some of these protests is the sort of history with the left uncaught, the recent history of the left and college campuses and the journal editorial page talked about it this way. they said those who once claimed speeches, violence in terms of saying that, well, we don't want conservatives comes to you on our campuses. now claim violence is speech. they want protection for protests where there's clear violent, anti-semitic things that are happening even if it's not the majority of these protesters, even if it's not every single thing that they're saying, who's right? >> well, i mean, look, i suspect mike johnson was totally thrilled to get booed, right? i mean, he there's nothing better for him.

likable, but yeah, i am sorry necessary. >> i'm sure he was absolutely thrilled to let these protesters boo him for 18 minutes. that was the backdrop he wanted who's right? well, look, i think of course there has to be protection for free speech and i think young people that you're talking about, the history of an issue like this young people have historically actually driven change and have driven social change, have driven policy change by being vocal on college campuses that said when it veers into the kind of blatant antisemitism that we've seen over the last few weeks, and not just the last few weeks, the last month, that i think that it must always be called out, that should never be tolerated. and i think for democrats, they've got to be incredibly clear that they put forward is a ruling wrenching issue. the democratic party the truly dividing them, but johnson's visit underscores the real paradox here are those who are threatening not to vote for biden because he has given too much rope to netanyahu, which is a legitimate polity would be empowering kind of republicans

are calling for the national guard to clear campuses and would give even more leeway to netanyahu. and that's what those demonstrators ultimately have to decide is their moral objection so large to what the way biden has handled this, that they are willing to empower other political actors who would go even further in the direction they oppose with the enthusiastic, support of netanyahu, by the way. wei, who injected himself as usual into this overtly on the side of the republican party elections or a choice and good reminder from ron brownstein. ron, thank you. it's been great to have you past couple of days. >> all right. coming up here next, donald trump's legal team at the supreme court today, arguing his presidential immunity claims plus fire, crews scrambling to contain a wildfire url in new jersey, one of your five things to see today, we'll have the rest of the white house correspondents, dinner, live saturday at seven eastern khan, cnn, when we say it will be on time, they expect it to be on time turned

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all three days. so a multi-day severe weather set up taking shape today. most importantly, that hatched area, dodge city to the texas and oklahoma panhandle. that's where we have the potential for strong tornado rupture. second, we got to look at donald trump here he is heading out as he is on his way to this campaign, stop, that he is going to in new york city, let's see if he's getting in a car, hadn't back out onto our camera shot here. again, we're waiting for donald trump form president at current presumptive republican nominee for president on what is a very historic de, for him as the supreme court set to hear arguments about whether or not he's immune from prosecution in the january 6 case. he also was facing his hush money trial we are looking at him now because he's on his way to a campaign stop early this morning, much earlier than donald trump normally wakes up or is run around doing things or kristen holmes is on-site there. we're going to get to her and bring you the latest on this in just a few moments,

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donald trump's lawyers in his bid to avoid prosecution and receive quote absolute immunity and quote, for plotting to overturn the 2020 election. trump has repeatedly claimed that his actions on and around january 6, we're part of his duty you really don't have a president. >> what president of the united states must have immunity and i'm not talking from myself. i'm talking for every president of the united states up president of the united states has to have immunity. there is nothing more important to a presidency that immunity, you have to have a guaranteed immunity for president. the president, you have to have immunity it's an argument that multiple lower courts have rejected sayings, efforts to subvert the election were about getting a second term in office and they were not an official presidential act. >> our panel is back, we're joined now by tara pulmonary, she is senior political correspondent for puck and host of the somebody's got to win podcast tara, nice to see you.

this claim of absolute immunity. elliott i let me show you a couple of things and again, keeping an eye on on trump but the argument that he has tried to make, he is invoked the atomic bombings that were conducted at the end of world war ii. watch what trump had to say about this in january does one of the reasons the supreme court is looking now at immunity. you have to have a guaranteed immunity for president. otherwise, the president is not going to be able to function they're not going to move harry truman would not have done now read truman would not have done hiroshima and nagasaki probably ended the war, probably i think so. but he wouldn't have done it so many things, wouldn't be done elliott. >> i mean, is there any is that grounded in reality at all? >> no. and no one is making an argument seriously that the laws of war would somehow change, or that how the united states interact with other

countries would change based on some limitations. >> let me pause for a second. let's listen to donald trump here for a second we're. >> having hearing him. >> i have a lot of support here. the teamsters, you a lot of work with teamsters. have a lot of buildings with the keeps. do they liked an amazing job affection. but we did a great job i think that a when we get a lot of great buildings in the city with these people give me great support they're

really amazing very, very, very talented people they don't get the credit for it. they have very few people do when they do, we used to do three floors a week and dockery and it was guys like this, that data very much do you know about the testimony so. far it's been very nice and he's been david has been very nice and nice guy president. did you know? >> we have a big case so judges and ago we have a big case. the supreme court a president has seven you don't have just have a ceremonial presence. read what you know about the payment to stormy did you know about the payment he knew about the

just listening to former president donald trump current presumptive republican presidential nominee speaking with reporters just a few blocks from trump tower, where he went to meet with is looking for this union at photo op. >> it's a pretty classic seen from donald trump's time as a real estate at mobile in new york city, a couple of things here he talked about the testimony that david pecker is been delivering on the stand in his hush money trial. he called pecker quote, unquote, very nice. so there is an assessment on that one and then he also talked briefly about the immunity arguments that are set to play out in the supreme court this morning, looking at whether or not he will be immune from prosecution in the special counsel's january 6 case. he said it was a big case. fair enough. >> and that he said also the president's need to have immunity because if not quote, you'll just have a ceremonial president, elliot williams is

actually very good place to pick back up on the conversation we were having before we went to listen to that. >> he's absolutely right. a president ought to have immunity and presidents do have immunity from civil suits for things that happen to them when they're in an office. now, the question and he's not being totally candid here. the question is, are presidents absolutely immune from criminal prosecution for things they do an office and the hypothetical that his team's simply was not able to answer the lower court was what happens? if a president were to use a drone to shoot a political opponent? he'd be using the official tools, the presidency, but for a criminal purpose and know one and frankly, no supreme court justice i think is going to bless that argument, but i guess not unlike they would say to us in elementary school, it's not what you say, it's how how you say it, how the supreme court writes their opinion is really going to be important and do they send it back down to the lower courts for more litigation and analysis which could slow pending litigation down. the cases against him and let's just remind everyone from the

arguments that we heard in the lower court when they consider this. >> but how trump's legal team? responded to a question about whether or not it would be acceptable for a president to use the united states military to assassinate a political rival. watch could a president who ordered seal team six to assassinate a political rival who was not impeached he be subject to criminal prosecution if he were impeached and convicted first, and certainly your answer is my answer is qualified. yes terrible, mary, i mean, it's it's an interesting argument to make i don't yeah, i don't think they have a lot of grounds to stand on with that, but i think at the end of the de this is about sending the arguments, making this a longer drawn out process, kicking this over two after november 5 or sixth when trump can obviously drop the case if he wins and it's there

mucking up the water and i just think the longer it takes the supreme court may want to write all these rules passed down to the left what we're courts. i just don't see this jack smith trial being litigated before the election, and the supreme probably knows how politically toxic it is, and they probably want to take their time on it. they don't want to be seen as tipping the scales in an election year either, right? >> but kate bedingfield, i mean, i have to say as i think about this in the big picture on the one hand shore, yeah. don't tip the scales right ahead of an election. but you can argue with the other way. and for the millions of americans, i think we should note that in the popular vote, democrats have been winning presidential elections. even in some cases where we end up with a republican president it is tipping the scales to not have this litigated before the 2024 election? yeah. i mean, these are really big fundamental questions. this is a question of former president's

subverting of the constitution and yes, i mean, this is information that voters should have before they go to the polls in november that means that it polls show that people care about there is good or not. i do. do we do we see in the polling that even a significant number of republicans say if he's convicted that that would have an impact on their vote. we also see dissatisfaction from republican voters. we've seen it throughout the republican primary process. we saw but in pennsylvania just this week when it was something like 150,000 and i'll double-check the number, but a significant number of republicans voted for nikki haley, who dropped out of the race over a month ago. so yes. i think this is information that voters deserve to have. they have said repeatedly that it will have an impact on the way that they think about the election i also think even as the, as the case drags out, and obviously this is donald trump strategy. he wants to the case to drag out beyond the election but as a political matter, even just having this as the backdrop of the campaign is problematic for donald trump, for him to

constantly have to be talking about defending january 6. it's great for his base. we know that it is not great as a general election argument. and so even just having this as the backdrop of the campaign is your allergen very briefly briefly, timing is everything. >> i don't know that i'd buy that this is bad for his election every day that he's in court? yes. granted. he can't speak to the people that neither is biden wants the last time you had biden on the screen? it's we can you can change that. >> i'm sure, but haley can we show what biden had to say yesterday about trump's hair? we have that remember what it was trying to deal with covid? he sees justice object a little bleacher, your van he missed it all went to his hair sorry to throw that. that's what we did election of one minors and that's what you're basically

my quick argument here is that i can't believe i'm even saying this, but donald trump is an artist and cable news is his canvas and that is what's happening. he is dominating all of this, even being in court. >> so that's that's part of the process now, and that's how our elections are being run i'm not saying it's a good thing. >> he's a very specific kind of artist getting air he's like he's not getting booked on tv as frequently to have these phone calls with anchors the term used to call into fox news or cnbc frequently. this is his moment. he's got every single network trained on him to get his message out. so what if it's new york and those aren't his voters? it's the larger audience. >> i agree a lot of republicans and democrats keep referring to this as an in-kind campaign contribution. >> its entire trial that was his home well, show friday night. >> right. all right. >> up next here, congressman jason crow of colorado is here to talk about president trump's supreme court arguments around presidential immunity. >> plus, first look at the future home of the chicago bears. this bring you the

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a shot we're going to give me show oh i have no idea. i have no idea. they've taken my constitutional right away with a gag order. that's all it is it's election interference is whole thing is election interference? so the polls have just come out, and i just got another sample. >> will leading every swing state by a lot and we're leading the nation by a lot. >> he's the worst president & a history of our country. he makes jimmy carter look great. jimmy carter's very happy because his presidency was brilliant by comparison. but this is the worst president we've ever had his destroying our country, close the borders. he can do it in one, one phone call. you can close the borders, close up the borders, joe, our country's going to help all right we. have been listening to former president donald trump. he is still talking to reporters. we do not have a microphone over there,

so i would like to at this point bring in our next guess to talk to him about what we've heard from donald trump here. and this frankly historic de, we will listen in on this. we will flip the tape and bring it to you. if we get more that we can actually here. >> but first, you might remember our next guest, congressman jason crow from this photograph. >> this is congressman crow comforting his colleague, congresswoman susan wild as the two took cover from rioters who were storming the capitol on january 6. crow is a combat vet and of course was thrust back into action that day. and i don't want to lose sight of the fact that this is what today at the supreme court is all about is what you are seeing on your screen right now, what happened to those officers who are crushed in these crowds the arguments are going to talk about whether or not donald trump's actions on and around january 6 fell into the realm of official presidential conduct that could be protected with immunity and

their decision will determine whether the federal election subversion case against trump can go forward. joining me now is democratic congressman from colorado, jason crow, congressman. thank you very much for being here. you heard what donald trump had to say. they're these major arguments are unfolding at the court today. do you think that the court even simply taking this up represents a gift to former president donald trump. do you expect this to even go to trial before the election well good morning. >> thanks for having me listening to donald trump. they're nothing has changed with donald trump, the man lies constantly. he just cannot tell the truth almost nothing that he says is true these days, it seems to be getting worse. >> and i think the american people are way smarter enough to understand that his claim let's have absolute immunity that a president can do anything he or she wants to do is absurd. >> i mean, we are a nation of laws. we don't have kings, we don't have queens, we don't have dictators no man or woman

is above or below the law when our system works the way it's supposed to work, right now, we're seeing that system go through its process donald trump is not entitled to, nor should he under the constitution have absolute immunity from anything that, that is an untenable result for any presidency. so we'll see what happens with this case, but i couldn't imagine a circumstance in which any court would say a president can do anything he or she wants with no recourse what is the ultimate impact if this january 6 case is not tried before the november election, do you believe that our presidential election will can be viewed as fair in the event that that happens well, absolutely, the presidential election will be fair. >> the last presidential election in 2020 was actually the most secure election in our nation's history. that's what all the election judges, the experts, the courts that are reviewed, all the files, all the evidence. there was no widespread evidence of

corruption or fraud or abuse in fact, most of the fraud cases are actually trump's supporters that tried to cast take electors, that tried to get additional votes. and then of course, the president himself, who directed the georgia secretary state to fabricate or to find over 10,000 votes. so he could win that state eight. so that's actually the fact that is what happened here in our election will move forward. we have systems in place. it's governed by the states in by county officials. and that's the way our system has always worked. >> congressman. if the court were to declare trump immune from prosecution in this case, what do you think the political effect of that would be well, i think that's a hypothetical that is probably not worth totally fleshing out here because i just couldn't imagine a situation in which a court would find absolute immunity again, this goes back to i

initially said in the beginning here that we are not a nation that has kings or queens are dictators, are autocrats. >> a president is always accountable. there's, there is a limited immunity for any president from civil suit as your guest earlier pointed out in the pursuit of their official functions and duties, that is a well-established law that's a president republicans and democrats have enjoyed, but idf absolute unqualified immunity is never been a part of our constitution. and of course is untenable in our process congressman from the perspective of someone who experienced january 6, i'm thinking back to some of these the sentences that have been handed down to these people that donald trump has been out there calling january 6, hostages. >> and the judge, in one recent sentencing hearing, gave a significant sentence to someone because she said that she thought that the idea that there could be another january 6 was entirely possible. i mean, do you think we may face another day in our country like

january 6 again, is there a danger of that? >> i think one of the lessons of the past five to six years, is that the united states is not immune to anything that anything is possible on our democracy, that our democracy is both stronger and more fragile in some ways than we ever thought democracy is not set of documents or papers or traditions or custom democracy is actually just people waking up every morning and deciding to defend it, to fight it into deciding to stand by it, into implement it, right? and that's what we have learned from the last couple of years. so in an era of increased political extremism thanks. in no small part to donald trump and his minions and his very dangerous rhetoric. he continues to put, pour fuel on the fires of it. political extremism. we have to be very vigilant to that. that's one of the biggest lessons i certainly have learned in my time in

office. and the last few years here. so we have to be very vigilant political extremism. and i'm going to continue to focus on bringing folks together, governing, doing big, important things like passing a national security bill last weekend that is an incredible bill to protect the american people. that's real work doing real stuff not insightful, dangerous rhetoric like donald trump and others engage in all right, congressman jason crow for us on what is really a historic day as the court tries to decide whether or not donald trump's gonna be held accountable for what you went through on january 6, what our country went through on january 6th. >> thanks very much for your time. >> thank you. >> all right. let's go now to a donald trump's hush money trial in new york. we know that today x tabloid publisher david pecker returns to the stand. the judge has yet to rule on whether trump violated the gag order in that case. we can see that decision come down at any time. in the meantime, trump's former fixer, michael cohen he said that he will stop commenting about the president.

he wrote quote, despite not being, despite not being the gagged defendant out of respect for judge merchan and the prosecutors, i will cease posting anything about donald on my x formerly twitter account or on the mea culpa podcast until after my trial testimony. see you all in a month or more. tara pulmonary. what's going on here with michael cohen decided i'm not going to say anything anymore to somebody like advise him to do that is that he's been running his mouth for a long time, right. and the big part of this case is based on michael cohen's credibility, right? and so the more he speaks and the more he seems to have a grudge against trump. it makes it a harder case for the prosecutors because the defendants are going to spend all their time tearing down michael cohen also at the same time, you're going to charge trump thousand dollars per whatever in fraction of the gag order for attacking witnesses. you also that someone else that is a major witness who's also attacking donald trump. there's obviously a conflict in a there. it just makes there

are ones a public figure. >> he's not an anonymous juror, a member of a judge's family? >> no again, like it just would make him a much stronger witness if he would just shut up you know what i mean? and so it's harder for the judge to rule against trump when you've got another person the case the compelling point, even though they're not in the same place, one is the defendant, one is a witness, and michael cohen really is free to speak his mind as much as he wants. >> to. your point is suddenly your credibility issue. but to the judge can't credibly enforce a gag order for attacking a witness when the witnessed and the defendant are constantly sniping with each other in the public. so i do think as lawyers probably gotten his ear and told him that number one is undermining his credibility as a witness. and number two, you are impeding the judge's ability to enforce or he's got in his ear, maybe he's right they want to make sure that that he is strong. a witness as he possibly could be, even though is perjured himself before anytime soon. yeah. >> right. i mean, i guess i keep i do keep stumbling on

that. i mean, it seems like it's kind of the point of having pecker testified to all of these things, right. to outline like this is what i said to michael cohen. so michael cohen goes out there and says, well this is what i did and then there's someone that hasn't doesn't have a record of perjury doing that that's the case that they're building, but don't forget pecker also got a immunity to at the end of the day, if there was a campaign violation that just strikes me as a campaign professional pecker is the one that was at that is opening himself up to prosecution for this this kachin of mental that'll come up when certainly on emanation that the defense will attack david pecker for that amino deal, telling the jurors and effect, you can't believe anything. >> this guy says he has an incentive to not be straight, so exactly right. >> also, it's like this cast is like the sleazy has cast. you could ever pick and so much of america is learning about tabloid journalism and what that is. >> the, how they change pictures and the symbiotic relationship and they're paying off mistresses and loved children.

>> it's like this. >> i mean, i'm a journalist i did not have this stuff don't buy the argument. >> this is all good for donald trump. i mean, this is why i don't agree that this is like an in-kind contribution to his campaign? yes, sure. is he is he finding ways to get himself on tv? yes, he is. but largely this is all in the framework of the back-and-forth of this salacious case, that really underscores how much of donald trump ink is about donald trump and how many what about how much of donald trump's presidential campaign is about donald trump and his personal grievances and his bad behavior. so i just this is where i really i mean, this back-and-forth that you all are having right now as the average voter, the extent that they're absorbing it, it doesn't feel like it has an impact on their lives and they're not walking out great for his campaign or they're not watching it in court oj trial. so they have to be reading the daily news, the updates in the api in the new york times, it's just like it's just not as real. plus we know the story, the all-knowing right? >> i am donald trump is not trying to change who donald trump is. we all know who donald trump is. so that's

already baked into this conversation. so if he was introducing himself to the american public, yes, i could agree with you. he's not he's known he's wrong quantity. >> can i ask what those abstract yeah you that question? >> i just the backdrop that's fine. >> but a backdrop for his campaign that is all about reinforcing the worst pieces of his personality that's where i don't that's where i don't want i might question that as a political winter question to the whole trial is about stories that he wanted to cover up from was it was going to write every day or every campaign has stories that whether it's you really would do damage or not do damage, have stories that they tried to cover up as reported? porter's, you all have been received calls from campaign officials who say, you know what, i think you've got the facts wrong here. yeah. well, i can really john john edwards exactly it worked out great for the man pain. >> let's look at his hair before and after but i guess

all depends on and how much the jury buys any of this right. >> and to the extent that they're a look, they were picked because of the fact that they have no largely no predetermined views about any of these witnesses or anything like that. right. so i guess the question, the extent that's possible today, but yes. how much did they just put all of the common sense of sayyed? and actually just look at the facts and law because a lot of this just seems icky and weird and grows to normal people who aren't washington dc communications it's entertainment now, for the record, it's still weird. >> porn stars and tablets case. >> the professor and journalist going to feel weird that's what i keep coming back to you. >> it's like it does feel like this was kind of an editable after the 20th hand. that's been dealt, that he's doing the best hearing fairness, donald trump put himself and he absolutely denied. >> but the overreach of all of these cases, one after the other. i mean, there's well, now with arizona's the fifth case, x