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of a day that saw pro-palestinian demonstration spread and grow >> and grow plus arizona, we're say lawmakers are trying again to undo there recently revived near-total abortion ban dating back to the civil war good evening. tomorrow morning. the former president is back in court here in new york for the first full de, a prosecution testimony in the hush money criminal trial. one time trump friend and former tabloid publisher david pecker. here we'll be back on the stand, expected to continue laying out the so-called catch and kill scheme at the center of this case. meantime, the judge, juan merchan could rule on the prosecution's motion to hold trump in contempt for his attacks on witnesses. notably michael cohen, his former lawyer and fixer, who made the payments to stormy daniels, which his boss allegedly hd through misleading business records. the defendants meant some of his day today lashing out at the gag order. he's accused of violating, calling it unconstitutional and complaining that quote, the conflicted judges, friends and party members can say whatever they want about me. but i'm not allowed to respond on top of

the trial tomorrow. the supreme court also hears oral arguments on his claim of presidential immunity in the federal january 6 case. here to help break it all down, former house january 6 committee senior investigative counsel, temidayo aganga-williams, cnn's kara scannell, bestselling author and former federal prosecutor, jeopardy thuban and cnn legal analyst, karen friedman, agnifilo so caroline, start with you. what do we expect more on the court? >> so david pecker will be back on the stand on tuesday. he introduced the jury to the catch and kill scheme, brought them into a meeting at trump tower in 2015. now he began by introducing them to karen mcdougal, but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this how that came to be and then move into the stormy daniels, which is at the center of this case and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stan, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole day when the defense gets there cross-examination going, but he will be for the prosecution's witness to try to continue to

establish these catch and kill sphericity and then also the motive for which was to help donald trump's campaign, timmy die. >> what do you see? david pecker is role as this for the prosecution. >> i think for so long we've talked about michael cohen as the narrator. and i think what's so powerful here is that david pecker is really serving as that narrator, but he has the benefit of not having the hostility and credibility excuse it associated michael cohen, but he's really serving the role of taking us from 2015. he's drawing the campaign in. he's talking about everything is little as trump signing checks and pay attention to invoices. so there's so many different data points that he's bought us into, but they can't attack in the same way. so i'll be looking for when he's cross-examined and how do trump's lawyers handle that? are they going and calling him biased, aggrieved whatnot, because what we've heard so far in the courtroom, he talks about trump, but even some level of reverence, and that is not really consistent with saying that you're trying to bring the former president down. so it's gonna be a tough thing to balance trump's

lawyers. >> i have an idea about how they're going to cross-examine him. i think they're going to say did you think you were committing crimes? >> did you think you were part of a conspiracy or we just running a magazine clearly, he did it or did he do you think he did? >> i don't think he does. he cooperated with you on an article in the new yorker and 2017, he told me all about his payments to karen mcdougal. he did not talk but stormy daniels that was not public at that point, but and he has not been prosecuted. so that's another thing that the defense is going to point out is that if you were a coconspirator, how come you're walking free and how come donald trump is defendant here now, there may be answers to all these things, but i think the idea that the prosecution is criminalizing behavior that is simply not a crime is going to be a big theme to karen. don't prosecutors make deals with disreputable people who have committed crimes who might be charged. otherwise, if they didn't have information to

turn on somebody else on a bigger fish. >> well, as we always say, as prosecutors, we wish that crimes were committed in front of a bus full of nuns, right. but when you're dealing with people who commit crimes, you're surrounded by the people who they commit crimes with and so you take your eyewitnesses as they come and that's what the prosecution will say, which is donald trump picked michael cohen, donald trump picked david pecker. those are the people in his inner circle that he chose to do these things with. so you're left with who you're left with but isn't the issue i mean, michael cohen. >> okay. bad guy. hi. >> everybody can agree he committed crimes with packer. >> isn't the argument? >> well, he's not a bad guy. he's just a businessman who is involved with donald trump he's not the classic cooperator because the classic cooperator is someone who's already admitted to criminal conduct pecker hasn't admitted to, but he has been granted immunity by the fed's michael cohen was prosecuted federally

for this. i mean, it's not like there wasn't some criminal acknowledgment federally and because of the supremacy clause unfortunately, that applies to the state, they can't then prosecute pecker for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. i think he was an associate in business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulated this conspiracy to illegally or an awfully allegedly is what the prosecution is going to say interfere with the election and it was all about the election at that point. and we know because one of the things he said was with the doorman that was not we were not able to confirm that story. in fact, we debunked it, but had it been real, we would have released it after the election. it was very clear that what they were doing was about the election and at that point when you're paying, wasn't to protect melania trump. it was about the right if it was, then he wouldn't have released it after the election. he was doing these catch and kills fine. but when

it was about the election, those when you're paying people, it's an in-kind donation and you have to declare that at a dangerous point, there and asked him whether you thought it was a crime. he might say yes. so i don't know if i'm if i'm defense counsel& cross-examine. i don't know that i go there. i think that feels dangerous because you're asking a witness who's been granted immunity to weigh in on whether they thought something they were doing was problematic. he could bear will agree. and where does that leave that trump defensive of the jury hearing that the witness to go challenge says, yeah, i did it, which means he did it to one there i assume prosecutors would already know the answer to that question and this stage wouldn't say the interview they didn't have viewed pecker so they know the answer. >> they know it's about they'll respond exactly the question. >> the interesting thing, qarrah is that donald trump has not gone after david pecker. i mean, david pecker is potentially testifying very damaging information he has not gone after him the way michael cohen, obviously making cohen has been beating him. and as wrote a whole book called revenge, which david pecker has

not done. but i'm wondering if donald trump is scared about what else david pecker knows. >> i mean, that's the question i've been wondering too, because their relationship goes back a long time and david pecker was explaining this and as you noted, he there is some kind of reverence in the way that there is a that they referring to him and the standard calling him mr. trump, but they go back a long time and he also testified that he was doing catch and kill deals with around donald trump, talking to michael cohen, finding stories whether he was actually executed in the catch and kill. the difference story. but he said if he's doing this since 2007, but everything changed in 2015. and i think his testimony he also isn't a spot. he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell his attorney

to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get at. what i think they may do is not cross-examine him in a hostile way and say, you were just a businessman you were doing what you thought was good for the enquirer and maybe helping your friend, you didn't think you were committing a crime, did you? and i think that is often more effective than beating someone up and saying you're a liar, you're i mean, that i think is probably the most, most effective way to deal with them. and the thing about pecker though, is this whole deal has been a nightmare for him. >> i mean he was a lot more successful businessman in 2016 than he is today. >> he has spent millions of dollars in attorney's fees. he got immunity from the feds, but he almost was indicted by the feds. so i don't know that his attitude towards trump is as reverential as it used to be. i think the cross of him is going to be you dealt with michael cohen, donald trump wasn't there. >> you dealt with it's gonna be all the times that it was he

and michael cohen again and putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. >> thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely to be cross-examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen mcdougal deals. but the one that actually paved the way for them in this deal, they had before the election, the first story that the national enquirer allegedly intercepted for trump in regards to the election. here's randi kaye about a year before the 2016 election, former trump tower doorman, dino sajudin, suddenly got $30,000 richer. >> the national enquirer, but exclusive rights to a fake story. he was peddling about a so-called loved child fathered out of wedlock by donald trump with his housekeeper. there was a pattern that first $30,000 was paid to a trump tower doorman to squash a rumor that

trump had fathered a child with an employee this was the first time, according to prosecutors that the head of american media, inke, david pecker, who publish the national enquirer, had ever paid anyone for information about donald trump for his part, trump has always denied having the child in question. this is a copy of the signed source agreement between the doorman and david pecker, who at the time was a trump loyalist the agreement reid's source shall provide ami with information regarding hurting donald trump's illegitimate child. according to the statement of facts filed by prosecutors when trump was indicted in the stormy daniels hush money case, pecker learned in the fall of 2015 that the doorman was trying to sell information regarding a child that trump had allegedly fathered out of wedlock at pecker's direction. the prosecutor said ami negotiated and signed an agreement to pay the doorman $30,000 for exclusive rights to the story, not to publish it, but to bury it. >> the doorman's story about the so-called loved child

turned out to be false, just a rumor. in fact, there's still unnamed woman at the center of it, denied it all to the api in 2018 saying this is all fake ronan farrow also wrote in a new yorker piece that the housekeepers father said, the doorman's claim was completely false and ridiculous after those reports in april 2018 and after he'd been freed from his agreement with ami, the doorman gave a statement to cnn. >> he stood by his story despite the fact there was no evidence to prove it. i can confirm that i was instructed not to criticize president trump's former housekeeper due to a prior relationship kinship she had with president trump, which produced a child according to court documents, when ami realize the claim was false and wanted to release the doorman from his agreement with them. trump's then lawyer turned fixer, michael cohen, told pecker not to release the doorman until after the presidential election. the

agreement the doorman had made with ami in 2015 also stated that if he shared his story anywhere else, he'd be forced to pay a $1,000,000 penalty in 2019 after he'd been released from the deal, the doorman self-published a book, writing in the description, i was the trump dormant back then. i wasn't able to fully give my side of the story. >> randi joins us now, where is that doorman today? >> well, anderson, we know that doorman certainly is no longer working at trump tower the last time cnn actually put eyes on him was back in 2018 when we tracked him down to his house. that was an eastern pennsylvania and that really was the last known address for him. he's really fallen off the radar, at least the media's radar until this trial, of course. and one would assume anderson that he's likely working somewhere, right. because that $30,000 he was paid was likely not enough for him to live on all these years, but it seems he really has gone underground. >> randi kaye, thanks so much next tonight, breaking news, new reporting from arizona on 2020 election subversion charges just out, naming the

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are you learning about the criminal charges yeah. >> anderson noncount including multiple felony is the top line felony is a conspiracy in it. the indictment alleges that rudy giuliani, mark meadows, boris epshteyn a close adviser to the former president, president, they all work together with these fake electors from arizona to deceive the people in the voters here. and look, these are serious crimes and perhaps even more expansive than what we were expecting. we've reported previously that the attorney general here seem to be focused primarily on the electors themselves. there's 11 who were charged today, in addition to the trump allies. but the indictment does really reflect how this investigation it has expanded over just the last several months. we did have reporting that indicated that was the case, that they were looking into people from trump's natural campaign, from people in trump's inner orbit and can't get much more inner orbit than rudy giuliani and mark meadows as far as that time-frame, we're donald trump was trying to overturn the 2020 election. look, this is the latest and the most recent state-level investigation to

bring criminal charges for actions related to the 2020 election. and in fact, it may be perhaps the most serious state-level indictment that we've seen so far, maybe comparable with but we've seen a georgia. but yes, donald trump also named as an unindicted coconspirator in this case, as part of this alleged conspiracy what so what comes next? the anderson wolf start to see initial appearances. these indicted individuals will have to show up in court and be array and then we will also start to see after that some potential plea deals will start to see people close to the president, perhaps talk to prosecutors, be offered an opportunity to play out similar to what we've seen in the georgia case as well. and i want to note too, because boris epshteyn, who is a close adviser to the former president, he worked on the president's campaign in 2020, was instrumental to this effort to overturn the 2020 election. he is probably the one person in this indictment who has stayed close to the former president in the years since the effort to overturn the election. in fact, he was width former president in manhattan when donald trump was arraigned in the hush money case and

sources are telling kristen holmes that the reason we haven't seen boris epshteyn close to the former president as his trial in new york has started, is because of concerns in trump's inner circle about this looming indictment and arizona so now we know that bores action is among those who has been indicted and charged along with mark meadows, rudy giuliani, and a host of others, that cohen thanks so much. meanwhile, in the former president's bid to return to the white house, he's been laying the groundwork for what another term in office might look like, primarily how he plans to execute his goal of overhauling the federal government and read washington in the so-called while deepstate. cnn's kim law investigated some of the former president's promises and the impact they may have. here's what she found at every 2024 campaign rally for former president donald trump he makes a bow we will demolish the deep state. we will demolish the deep state. we will demolish the deep state the deep is his named enemy federal workers, who trump believes conspire against him. here's my plan to

dismantle the deepstate and reclaim our democracy from washington corruption and trump's 10-point plan and his campaign website outlined sweeping changes he wants to make to government agencies faceless bureaucrats will never again be able to target and persecute conservatives christians, or the levs, political enemies, the end result would erase federal worker protections that have been in place for more than 140 years. >> eliminate entire departments and consolidate power around trump to understand the impact of what could happen in trump's second term. you only have to look at his first. >> i will immediately reissue my 2020 executive order, restoring the president's authority to remove broke bureaucrats. >> that executive order he signed just before losing the 2020 election turns government jobs into political appointments, giving the trump administration the power to fire employees at will and replace them with loyalists, making them according to this

federal report, subject to removal for partisan political reasons, they want people doing scientific research to the nuclear regulatory commission who don't have the qualifications to perform that kind of work. they're all like is an allegiance to the trump agenda. jacqueline simon represents a large government employee union. >> she says the expertise of government workers can't be replaced on a political win once that kind of stuff is politicized, let's say you deny a disability claim based on somebody's politics. >> how do you feel as you think about what the federal workforce could look like? it's very disheartening and it's scary. >> i think that there will be a massive exodus of competence. >> i do think that this is in part an effort to weaponize that lifelong republican robert shaimaa was a political appointee under president george w bush. >> he believes politics should be kept out of the federal workforce no matter who is in the white house i would expect to see wide swaths of civil

servants removed from their positions and replaced with people more loyal to president trump. do you read this as loyalty test? i do. >> these documents obtained by the national treasury employees union show the trump administration plan to cut deep one agency proposing almost 70% of his position should become political appointments by claiming they deal with policy it specialists, data management, budget, information support manager. we read the jobs less to former obama era omb official kenneth bear. so why would you make all these positions political appointee because that's what they want to destroy the independent objectives civil service that's why i think it would really fundamentally weaken the american government, but also american democracy if we got rid of that career staff, deep say, must end will be brought to heel. it's but that's only part of what trump appears to have in store. move parts of

the sprawling federal bureaucracy to know locations outside the washington swamp two places filled with patriots who love american he's also promising to relocate federal agencies out of dc something he did in his first term i was devastated. >> the trump administration targeted to agencies that the usda moving hundreds of jobs, including katharine green's out of washington to kansas city. the official reason was to create significant savings for taxpayers, improve usda's ability to attract and retain highly qualified personnel and attract a diverse first staff. but the exact opposite happened. in fact, one government studies showed that the administration excluded critical costs and estimate for moving agencies. and after two years, the workforce was made up mostly of new employees with less experience the number of black employees declined to about a third of what it once was. >> the goal was to uproot the

agency in such a way that most people would have to move on. and most people did. >> the biden administration is trying to slow down any action trump could take against federal employees if he wins the 2024 election by finalizing a new rule that says civil service protections can't be taken away from employees unless they voluntarily give them away. >> i'll experts tell us that while that might put a pause on trump's plans, essentially, putting in a speed bump, ultimately, trump could do what he is planning. the only permanent fix would be legislation passed by congress. anderson joomla. thanks very much. next more breaking news or lab reports and pro-palestinian demonstrations. and arrested some of the country's top college campuses. and we'll look at speaker johnson's visit to columbia university today. we're much urine rest starting so it's the playoffs. >> great teammates, trust each other. we're gonna do a trust falls, stand up, trust what you

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don't leave within ten minutes, they will be liable for criminal trespass and listened to the trunk we will not stop. >> we will not rest. so it does not look like these people plan to leave. >> are you planning to leave? >> are you planning? >> i'm going to tell today you're going to tell this is a good day to go to jail. that's martin luther king said i can't believe they're going to start locking up senior citizens. i'm 66 and somebody had to come and support these young people. they're not alone. that's why i'm here okay. >> so earlier in the day, the last time the police tried to come on to this square, it did not go well, they came on this morning. it wasn't lapd. it was campus police. they tried to clear tense and it got very ugly, very fast. demonstrators haranguing them, causing no, then it got physical. a lot of pushing one person was arrested, but in a squad car, the crowds are rounded. that car i would not let it leave. they were begging the police,

ordering the police to let that protest or go. the police did. and then the temperature dropped dramatically whose com whole afternoon, of course, there was from the river to the sea, there was there is only one solution into by the revolution, all of that. >> so jewish students made to feel uncomfortable they close the campus down, they locked the, closed the gates. you had to have id to get in. they college blames a lot of this on outside agitators they wanted to keep those people out but we are about to see anderson. i think the second confrontation of the day as the police come in, there are dozens of lapd cars just off-campus. there's campus security within minutes. >> we expect they're going to come in and try to move all of these people i talk say what's going to happen. but if it this morning was anything to go by, it will not be pretty& just doesn't seem like these are mostly students well, there is a mix.

>> there are students and there are definitely people from outside. i mean, social we'll media this morning. there were other organizations within la asking people to come down here for this demonstration. this university administrators thank to say that this is all outside agitators. there are definitely students here as well. the hardcore, i would say quite a few people from off-campus who have come two cause a ruckus here on the campus because this is the focus. this is where the media is. this is where they kopan to protest all right. >> nick watt. thank you. and 11 derek joins just now from the university of texas at austin, ed, what do you even seeing there while the situation here has dramatically changed in just the last hour, but earlier today a student-led protests organized by the palestine solidarity committee had organized a protest in a march through campus, which was supposed to end. >> here are which is the area known as the south wall of the ut campus. looking back down

there toward the state capital. and that's where those student protesters were confronted by a long line of state troopers that arrived here on the campus. it was incredibly tense as those boat both sides of the law enforcement officers confronted those protesters. here the protesters had been saying that there was nothing violent here going on, that it was a peaceful and in the last hour or so, uti official sent out an alert to all the students saying that they had to leave this area or risk being arrested and then about that same time much of the law enforcement present simply just a disappeared. so this is what we're left seen here. this evening. anderson soon as you see the last remnants of the protest here on the south mall, they've been spending the last year. our so chance leading chants here in the south mall area, texas governor greg abbott put out on social media saying that he believed that the the protesters, the student protesters involved in this belong in jail, that the protesters, the student protesters should also be

expelled. clearly, the governor of texas also receiving a great deal of condemnation for that critique of what many of these protests was viewed as simple a free speech on this day the texas department of public safety, state trooper say they arrested last we heard from them was about 20 people protest organizers say that the arrests are actually more than 50 and many of them are down at the jail here in austin trying to get those protesters bailed out. so that is the scene that is unfolding here tonight on the campus of the university of texas at austin 11. derek thing for him much wanted the longest running and most contentious of the campus demonstrations that new york's columbia university, that's where house speaker mike johnson, accompanied by fellow gop house members, spoke today or in that now from cnn's shimon prokupecz mounting pressure for columbia university president minouche shafik as she works to try to negotiate with student organizers on campus. >> she extended the deadline for negotiations by 48 hours, working to dismantle the

encampment that has taken over much of campus it's pretty disheartening to see all this on campus. i will say i think a lot of people are misguided pro-palestinian protesters are demanding columbia cut all financial ties with israel. our plan is to be hearing till the university divest, disclose and provides amnesty for all you can see there are at least 50 to 75 tenths that remain here. many of the students who are part of this movement have been sleeping in these tents i've been eating here, adding pressure to the situation. house speaker mike johnson visited campus today, meeting with jewish students and calling on the university president to resign. >> i am here today joining my colleagues and calling on president should be to resign. if she could not immediately bring order to this chaos enjoy your free speech for months republican lawmakers have called on numerous university leaders to resign as they held congressional hearings on the

handling of anti-semitism on college campuses while most protests have been non-violent some jewish students at columbia are expressing concern for their safety at the end is submitted comments and activity is running ramping, but some people are saying in affairs some of this stuff that's coming out is anti-semitic or its anti against jews is that a fair representation of what's happening here? i do not think it's a fair representation of being kamut, but that doesn't diminish at all how terrible and unneeded, unwanted, and how much it should not exist. the antisemitism anywhere in the entire world, columbia university recently shifted to hybrid classes due to safety concerns now allowing the option to attend class and take final exams remotely through the end of the semester. this making a harder to go to classes and everything. i mean, things are switching to be remote last week when students were arrested at columbia, some

democrats like representative alexandria ocasio-cortez condemned university officials for involving police. she said on x calling in police enforcement on nonviolent demonstrations of young students on campus is an escalatory, reckless, and dangerous act. >> some republicans like senator tom cotton said there should be more police intervention on campus these university presidents need to ask the mayor and the chief of police in new york to send in new york new york city's finest to arrest anyone who's breaking the law shimon joins us now. >> so what are you seeing tonight? how is it time so interestingly enough, anderson, just before we came on with you and you can see there are some nypd officers in helmets behind me. >> there was actually a small group gathered just a couple of feet away and they were doing their chance. they actually moved in and they told them to move that they can't stand there anymore. they made an announcement and the group left. but haven't been out here for the last for the past several nights.

>> it's just different different story what i've seen because usually the nypd, let's hang out, let's do what they're doing for quite some time, but it's apparent, right now, it appears that the nypd is being a little two more aggressive here on the outside of columbia university telling the protesters to move on. otherwise, they're going to be arrested as group moved on. they left. the other concern here, anderson is that there was a lot of rumors going around at the university that somehow the national guard would be called in to try and remove who've the encampment, the protesters inside the college today, the college said that's completely baseless. that rumor is not true & that in terms of any military presence on the campus, that's just not going to happen. >> all right. shimon prokupecz. thanks so much. the war that these protesters are speaking out against did not come from nowhere. it began, as you know, last october when hamas launched a terror attack on israel, targeting civilians for murder, rape, and abduction one of the young people wounded and

kidnap that de, was hersh goldberg-polin, the world last saw being forced into a pickup truck by gunman in this video versus left-hand and part of his arm. were shot, are blown off the bone was sticking out we've been talking with hersh's parents, john and rachel ever since. they haven't had any word whether or not there's some survive those injuries no word if he was alive or not. well, today, they finally did get word his captors released this hostage video of hersh or a hostage video of hersh. the first of an american captive. we're not going to show you the hostage video. we're going to show you a frame from it to show you what hersh what his parents saw it was unclear when it was made, but was made but his wound appears to be healed in it. and he was alive in the video, he refers to as 200 days in captivity& holiday without specifying which one. he also said he loved his parents and he miss them they put out a video statement today seeing a

video first today is overwhelming are relieved to see him alive but we are also concerned about his health and well-being is well as bad of all of the other hostages and all of those suffering in this region. >> if you can hear this we heard your voice today for the first time in 201 days and if you can hear us, i am telling you we are telling you we love you stay strong, survive hersh goldberg-polin taken captive to 101 days ago, about 130 men, women, and children are still hostages in gaza. >> want to return to our nick watt, who has been covering campus protests. nick, explain what you're seeing well, right now, there are dozens of police officers, campus police, and lapd wearing riot helmets. bhutan drawn, many them with zip ties on their belts. >> they have circled this a little park where the protesters are still chanting with about a dozen or so of

them locked arms in the middle, waiting to drop hi and sworn this attempt to arrest and they've been told they were getting ten minutes to get act or they would be liable for criminal trespass. >> the police circling, as i say, it's unclear clear what they are trying to do at the moment if they're trying to find a way in they are massing at the sides of this park. >> alumni hi, park, which is where commencement is supposed to be taking place. and just a couple of weeks here but right now, it is a very, very different scene the chanting is not stopping the drum beats are not stopping more people are joining that little throng in the middle, determined to resist this police effort the police are now oh, i see. >> yeah okay. the police are basically getting orders. they're lining up, ready to move in is unclear well, the delay is right now. so it's addition, nick, if you can explain. >> i we're seeing this sort of

failing some police as their kind of getting in position, getting organized. can you just kinda just give you a give us a bird's-eye sense of where these officers were seeing the officers, where are they in relation to the group of protesters? how big a group of proteins? >> here, dave. dave, i'll ask dave to pan ranch. and there you see the police and there is the bunch of people locked arms in the middle. so we're told okay you know, there are about 30 or 40 feet away from them, right now and as i say, you know, earlier in the de we sold campus police tried to come in and clear temps and it did not go well, but the crowd is much bigger than it was this more morning, with the crowded protesters, much bigger. many people with kaffee has covering their faces. many people with covid masks covering their faces, they know that they are liable for criminal it'll charges here. so trying to conceal their identities. i see a protester here with safety goggles and a helmet on and

police are still gathering around the side. it's unclear why they're not coming in i mean, they got how many protesters they do come in. this is not going to be frizzy. >> do you have any social anderson? do you have a sense of how many protesters there are and are they completely surrounded by police when the police please in relation they are not completely surrounded by the police. the police have lined up against the one side of the park and actually a few minutes ago, we heard some of the protest organizers saying, if you would like to leave safely and you don't want to be arrested? leave to the right. so a lot of people have left leaving a hardcore in the middle again, it is very unclear what the police are doing. they seem to be unsure how to quite handle this they are now lined up against a long two sides of the park dave. dave. dave. >> if you you pan over there de nick, these are just to be

clear, are these these are not campus, please. these are these are los angeles place, but okay. >> these are these are both anderson yeah, both so look, now you can see in dave, if you pan along here so you see these officers lined up here with their pitons where their zip ties they are now, if we pan around, look, you can see how close that's where the not of protests it is right in the middle there so the police are now lining up along two sides of the park two sides are open. >> i mean, i'm assuming that they would like to leave two sides open so that people who want to get at can get out the police are stationary you can possibly hear the lapd helicopters above and nic in terms of the old worn have the demonstrators been on the campus like this? is it really just in the last several days, it was kind of grown to this

size it's really just it's really this morning anderson at 4:30 this morning, they came onto campus they put up some tents. >> they were told by the university there's no camping ordinance, so they took the tense down and then they told me that they felt that the university was being really nitpicky telling him they couldn't put banners up felt that the whole tenth thing was unjust. so these protesters decided to then make a stand. they put their tents back up shortly after that is when campus security tried to move those tents and we saw the scuffles earlier in the day, then for most of the afternoon, it has been passionate but pc lot of chanting, a lot of speakers, the crowd growing and growing, the college, closing the gates, making sure people have id date. the college didn't want this to get this big. >> they were trying to keep outsiders off the campus by the looks of it. they've kind of failed so right now, we just still have this standoff. we

have the police along two sides of the par three sides of the park. i don't see many more protesters actually leaving. >> we just have this circle in the middle of people determined to make a stand. >> and we have their supporters gathered around safely off the grass. obviously trying not to be involved in what might happen here, but it's a standoff right now. the police are not moving at all, right now? not at all. so the nick i'll wait and see what's going to happen. nick, while while we watch this, i want to bring in former philadelphian. does he top cap charles ramsey, he joins us on the phone. chief ramsey and four officers and essential equation like this. i mean, obviously there's, there's a lot to consider and a lot to you know, you're working with campus police, you're working with young people who are protesting. how do you approach something like this from a law enforcement standpoint? >> well, right now they're just

getting in position. lapd is there to support the campus police? at southern cal they're going to be giving warnings to individuals before they believed before they begin any enforcement action normally you give at least three warnings. you'll do it by getting a time check through your communications center and doing it on a bullhorn so people can hear i just heard from the report that there are two sides that are open, so hopefully people do disperse and leave, if not the university is more than likely ordered the officers to clear that particular area, so they'll go in very slowly trying not to have any confrontation. but it looks as if that's exactly what's going to happen there protesters. so their with their arms locked. so there'll be numerous arrests made and hopefully knowing gets injured in the process. >> when you have a situation

where you have campus police. i mean, do campus police have a resting powers or to campus police? yeah. detained somebody and then hand them over to local law enforcement. >> they do have arrest powers, campus police do? yes lapd is there if lapd makes the arrest, of course. still do the process? a song and so forth. but yeah, campus police do have full police powers and in a case like this, who determines? >> wet if and when to actually move in. i mean, is it in consultation with the people who run the university? is yes. at some point, i'll just up purely a law enforcement when decision. >> no, the university will be the one that will make the decision as to what's going to take place. it won't be lapd. lapd is there to assist along with the campus police, but it'll be the university leadership that will decide whether or not they want to protesters cleared from the

campus so right now you see them in a posture where they're just waiting. i don't know if you're waiting to get orders or or what the situation is. certainly they're going to want let's try to get his main people to leave on their own as possible but it is very apparent that you have a group of individuals who have no intention of leaving it's locked arms. and hopefully they can be removed without any real incident taking place and nick what's what's what's been going on where we were talking about chief ramsey well, we have seen the police still standing there, some of them with weapons that fire non-lethal rubber rams. we have seen an protest organizer walking around telling people not to cyst rest it is still that stand-off. and as chief ramsey said, we still have the two sides of the partly open.

>> they are clearly hoping that has made people leave as possible. >> i would say right now, we have a circle of 40 or 50 people arms locked waiting for them in the center of the park the police still standing there stop still. pitons drone from waiting for the orders and, you know, it's interesting what you've ramped. he was saying about who gives the orders it was the university that asked the la pd to come in earlier. it is the university for sure that is calling the shots. this is a private colleges is private land. so the lapd, we were speaking and two before they made it very clear, they come here at the invitation of the university. usc has clearly decided that enough is enough. and they are willing to take this risk of confrontation by bringing the lapd onto this campus to work alongside their

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okay. >> well, the police are now the surrounding three sides of the park and if you look here, dave protest organizers are handing out water and food to the people, looking brace to be arrested in the middle somebody has also been walking around, taking their cell phones from them and writing on their arm with a sharpie the number for the national lawyers guild, which they say will help them i'm sorry, arrested. if we look at this sign here, usc would rather jails students than divest from genocide. are you ready to be arrested you've resigned okay. doesn't want to talk they don't want to talk to media very much. so let's go and see where the police are now dave, come this way so. look you see the officers now down here so this is the third sayyed. >> the officers have now congregated the third side of the park, this ahead of me is still open, that is where people have been leaving.

that's where people have been leaving yeah. >> and it's i mean, it's now a small bunch of people left in this park brace for arrest and if you'll notice over there, there is a police officer with a camera. dave, can you see that guy? police officer with a camera? for filming the protesters back to you guys and charles ramsey just talking to you just in terms of who makes the decision when to move in earlier, we're talking about is it university? >> officials? is would there be university officials on scene you a good clean excuse me. >> university officials on scene, but they will give the go ahead to begin trying to move people out of the park. >> the good news is it looks like most of the people have left depart, but you have a small group of individuals who intend to be arrested. >> and of course, the police

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