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the future of abortion access is once again in the hands of the supreme court. >> and right now, the justices appeared deeply divided over the latest case to come before them at issue is whether hospitals can provide an abortion to a woman during a medical emergency that isn't considered life-threatening? federal law would normally require doctors to provide that care. >> the biden administration is challenging one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country in idaho. the law their bands, the procedure in nearly all cases with an exception to save the mother's life. now the justices will begin drafting an opinion with a ruling expected by the end of june and it's a decision that could have major implications for millions of women, emergency rooms, and for providers across the country for more on this, let's bring in cnn senior supreme court analyst joan biskupic, a joan, any indication based on what we've heard today on where the

justices are on this. well, a couple of things. >> first of all, it was a very vigorous set of arguments and to your point about how much this can affect things nationwide, there are at least six other states that are as restrictive as idaho, and there are more than 20 states that have new abortion regulations in the wake of the ruling two years ago that reversed roe v. wade nearly a half-century of abortion rights the justices have already allowed the idaho law to take effect. so that's already a signal that they're certainly open to it. and i have to say many of the justices on this conservative dominated court were very skeptical of the government's arguments looking at maybe the government reaching too far into state, state the medical issues that states should have authority over and we're going to play a clip from that. but then i'm also going to mention a little caveat about some of the concern of what's actually happening on the ground. but let's hear first from justice neil gorsuch was donald trump's first appointee to the supreme court. and some of his skepticism we're going to essentially regulate the

practice of medicine in the states through the spending clause. the answer, i think is yes, congress could prohibit gender reassignment surgeries across the nation. they could ban abortion across the nation through the use of its spending clause already, right? >> congress does have broad authority under the spending clause and yes is if it satisfies the conditions that the spending clause themselves itself requires, then i think that that would be valid legislation and the court had in many contexts recognize spent in class legislation preempts so to the answer is yes. >> okay yeah. >> i mean, it his point was that you're pushing pretty far here, but she kept trying to build in some restrictions. basically the point from the government, from elizabeth prelogar, the solicitor general, is that there's really only a small category of cases, small but very profound and important were a woman health is seriously at risk. >> whether her, her reproductive ability, whether she would have any kind of organ failure that doesn't

rise to write frankly on death's doorstep, which is the finding that idaho wants. >> is that a woman has to there has to be a fear of death. >> now, let's hear from justice elena kagan, who was one of the many justices who tried to get at what exactly is going on on the ground and how has this law already actually affected care in idaho? read recently that the hospital that has the greatest emergency room services in idaho has just in the few months that this has been in place, had to airlift six pregnant women to neighboring states. whereas in the prior year, they did one the entire year. so if mr. turner is right about what the state is trying to convey to hospitals about when there'll be prosecuted like, why is this happening? >> yeah. she was referring to

joshua turner who was arguing on behalf of the state, who essentially said there's no real problem here that the government itself is over-reading what this emergency medical act would entail, and that the state is actually in sync with what it would entail. but i just wanted to say one last thing about the and a concern that justice elena kagan raised about how this plays out on the ground. even some of the conservatives who are in the middle of the court, like rick kavanaugh and amy coney barrett, they seem to be a little concern there, but bottom line, the justices have already allowed this idaho ban to take effect. >> joan biskupic really intense arguments before the court. we appreciate you bringing us up to speed. let's turn now to jessica levenson. she's a law professor at loyola law school, also the host of the passing judgment podcast thanks so much for being with us, jessica, i am curious to get your perspective on the fact that idaho's attorneys are viewed that this federal reading of the law doesn't conflict with the state's law. the federal

government through the solicitor general, argued that there is a conflict even though it is narrow where do you come down on this? >> well, i think this is exactly what you have to argue either if you're the government, the federal government's attorney, or the state government's attorney because that's what it all comes down to. yes. this case is all about abortion. and yes, we are back here talking about abortion after we just talked about the big mifepristone don't case. after the court in 2022 said, we're getting out of the business of talking about state abortion bans. but this is a different question. it's all about whether or not this federal law that you're joan talking about and this state law actually do conflict because if they do, then the answer is easy. then we know that under so the supremacy clause of the constitution is the federal law that prompts it least where there is a conflict and that's why you have idaho saying these two things can live together. there's no problem. >> and that's why you have the

biden administration saying only in these narrow exceptions because elizabeth prelogar does understand that she doesn't want this to look like federal overreach only in these narrow circumstances, there is a conflict and therefore, the federal law, which allows doctors to provide abortions if it stabilizing care, even if it's not health-saving care, the federal law would trump it seems that there is this situation, jessica, where some of these patients are being treated like hot potatoes, right? there in the, you've got er's in some cases that don't even want to treat them because they're worried that maybe their care at that very moment, it may not be emergent amina b. an emergency situation, but it will become one almost definitely in some of these cases, this issue to came up today of prosecutorial discretion, talk to us a little bit about what that means and how that's interacting with hospital decisions about whether they are giving women

care that a reasonably i think a lot of folks might think they should yes. >> there was an important discussion just to your point about whether or not we would defer to dr. for instance, that they intact do need to perform an abortion because it is stabilizing care and at what point would idaho say? no, we're not deferring to you. we're not different bring to your good faith belief. and so there's this discussion about do the doctors need to have a subjective or objective, reasonable belief that this type of care they need to provide and the issue of prosecutorial discretion comes in where you heard the justices say, but what if a doctor after says, i really believed at can the state prosecute anyway, and that's the question of prosecutorial discretion. can a district attorney can the attorney general say we don't believe you and therefore, we are subjecting you to prosecution in just the threat

of that prosecution is where you you can obviously see a real and immediate chilling effect on doctors. and that of course, deeply affects women on the ground who are seeking medical treatment. >> yeah, we're seeing that chilling effect. it's it's the air lifts that are coming this past year that that didn't come the year before, jessica levinson. thank you so much. we really appreciate your insights thank you. >> were following what really appears to be an escalating demonstration at the university of texas austin right now, you're looking at live pictures coming to us from then. >> this is, or this is moments ago, i should say an austin the palestine solidarity committee of austin says this is a walkout and occupation of the school south line. >> we want to talk to emilio kimball about what we're witnessing in austin right now. she's the associate managing editor for the student newspaper there, the daily texan emilio describe the situation on the ground and what precipitated it so before

processor has been gathered today state troopers were on campus. they're in full riot gear there on motorcycles and on horseback. we have state troopers, university of texas police, and austin police all here students students gathered in a central area of campus and then were to order to disperse within two minutes and then arrest started being made. there haveeen threarrest mates so far, at least o of thosconfirmed a students okay. >> at least one them confirmed a student. and what else are you seeing happening at this point in time? how are students responding and were they expecting anything like this? >> no, i don't think students were expecting this kind of response there's here are no plans to set up an encampment. there was only supposed to be a demonstration in a march. and so i don't think students were expecting this kind of response some students have dispersed,

others are remaining in the crowd currently stay true in riot gear ha formed a blockade tir holdings, a towards students and there have been some physical struggles between police and students let's step back and give us some context to what things have been like on campus. >> gng back to when we started seeing these kinds of demonstrations pop up. what is the climate been like? they're up until now so there has been i would say, a moderate sized movement in solidarity with palestine on campus this is certainly the most significant demonstration we had so far since, since kober but there was an interest in demonstrating solidarity with students at columbia and other universities around the country. >> and that's this demonstration was planned and

just to let our viewers know, again emilia, we're looking at live pictures now coming from ut austin. >> we see one person there, a man being arrested by state troopers and you said we can see them there there there there there in riot gear. tell us about again, how they showed up. what kind of law enforcement interaction there had been prior to this? it sounds like this all developed pretty quickly. >> it did, yeah. so i think the university and the police had had gotten wind of this demonstration being planned, and state troopers were on campus hours prior to the actual beginning of the demonstration which is which has not happened at this scale at any of the, any of the, any of the prior demonstrations we've had in the last few and interactions between students and the police have been really ten. some students that choose to disperse whenever arrests were threatened others have had

stuck with the crowd and lots has been are a few at least have been jostled, pushed and or arrested by the police. >> do you know emilia if there was any communication between the demonstration organizers and the school's administration about their expectations for today, did they the university give any warning as to what response there might be or any parameters for the demonstration there was a communication that i got access to that went out to university staff that the university apparently told the organizers of thevent that it was not allowed to proceed. >>his being i don't kn, sometime last night or this morning? and so i think i think the university had told demonstrators not not to

proceed with the event and students it anyway, that's all i know about about that communication though. >> all right. >> amelia, let's listen just for amelia, stay with us. let's just listen into this two here what is happening there on campuses for a moments ago and ut austin, let's listen she's got and value is we're listening to this. can you just tell us what we're listening to hear it sounds we were hearing yells from troopers to disperse. and then it sounds like we're hearing it was almost like panic gills coming from protesters i did just see

a few protesters run out of the crowd, one in tears i don't know exactly what happened but there does seem to be like some escalating levels of distress & protesters are continuing to chance the police are forming like multiple blockade to keep protesters from moving kimball. >> thank you so much for bringing us the latest from the university of texas at austin will of course, keep an eye on the situation they're one of many ten scenes playing out across college campuses all over the country following israel's response to hamas deadly attacks on october 7 we are also closely watching a planned visit by the speaker of the house, mike johnson to the campus of columbia university later this afternoon to address some of the demonstration fins. and specifically the anti-semitism that we've seen occasionally rise at these demonstrations will of course

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all of this happening here is there protesting against israel's war in gaza since the october 7 attacks by hamas. this is happening amid escalating protests at many college campuses around the country. and in the meantime, just a short time ago, president biden, who was wearing a pin of both the us and ukrainian flags signed into law a long-awaited foreign aid package, more than half of that money, $61 going to ukraine, going to its war against the russian invasion. but 26 billion goes to israel, 8 billion going to taiwan and the indo-pacific, the senate approving the funding yesterday after the house finally signed off over the weekend, the legislation to support ukraine and languish for months in the republican controlled house and made major opposition from gop hardliners joining us now to talk about this, we have democratic senator chris of delaware. he is on the foreign relations committee first before we talk about the aid,

i'm just wondering as you're watching these pictures come out of ut austin, i know you've been watching colombia as well what do you make of this? is this reaching a bit of a tipping point? and what is the message to the biden administration, especially, you know, in the case of colombia, he's heading to new york tomorrow a veranda. thanks for the chance to be on with you and i am thrilled and relieves that our president has signed into law this critical supplemental aid package. and look forward to talking with you about that. i can't see the images that you're referring to on this current setup, but i'll take from what i'm hearing from you that there's a unfolding situation at the university of texas, austin where there's some confrontation with law enforcement by protesters looks students like all americans deserve the right of free speech to express themselves and their concerns but they also should be doing it in a way that doesn't interfere with other students ability to attend university, to feel safe in there dorms and on-campus.

and there's been an alarming rise in anti-semitism & in aggressive actions against jewish students on a number of campuses across the country. all of us need to find a better path forward for listening to each other, respecting each other's opinions. in congress on campuses and around our country. one of the things i think is a real positive brianna about this bill ultimately passing the senate with a broad bipartisan vote. is that it happened after months of division and difficulty in the house. so hopefully, the young people who are learning what it means to protest& to be passionate and to be engaged in civic discourse on campuses around our country. will also learn how they can do that in a way that respects the rights of others. >> let's talk more about that aid because you had said recently that you would support restrictions on aid to israel if they go ahead with a full-scale ground campaign into rafah without taking into account, or obligation to

protect civilians of facilitate the distribution of aid today. and israeli government spokesperson said, quote, israel is moving ahead with our operation to target hamas and rafah. do you have any concerns about that considering there are no conditions on this new aid to israel? >> so look, i do have concerns about the idf. were they to go into rafah at scale and make no accommodation for civilians i do want to highlight that in this package, the president has just signed is $9 in humanitarian relief that's critical for preventing famine in gaza as well as for dealing with the emerging famine in sudan providing humanitarian assistance in ukraine and a dozen other countries around the world, where there is a humanitarian crisis today of remorse markable scale, hundreds of millions of people facing hunger or starvation i do think that the ongoing war

in gaza is going to continue to test and strain relations between the united states and israel. >> and i am optimistic that the idf will ultimately listen to the concerns expressed by many of us in congress as well as via are present. and what will make them listen to those concerns if there isn't any conditions well, look at the end of the day. >> what's going to map to them more than anything is a stable, secure, reliable relationship with the united states'll remind you, just about two weekends ago iran directly attacked israel with hundreds of drones and missiles. and the united states under president biden's leadership, helps hold together a coalition that included the jordanians, the saudis, the british, the french, to defend israel against a direct attack from iran my hope is that that demonstration of an ongoing support from the united states will do more to persuade israeli government leadership of the importance of our

relationship than anything else we are just learning that israeli american hostage hirsch goldberg of whole and appears in a hostage video so which is the first proof that he survived injuries on october 7 from the hamas attack. >> he's one of five dual us israeli citizens held alive in gaza. tour knowledge in addition to the four dead hostages, whose bodies are being held, do you think enough is being done at this point to secure release of american hostages? >> breonna, seeing that news earlier today was a huge relief. i met with hirsch. hirsch, his parents, rachel and john in tel aviv, two weeks after the horrific attack by hamas and saw they showed me the video of him being thrown into the back of a truck by hamas terrorists with his severed bleeding arm and i've met with them several times communicated with them many times over the last six months and i've prayed repeatedly, that somehow purse might have

survived his wounds were significant and that he has survived according to this video is a great blessing. and that his parents have the comfort of knowing that he is alive particularly during this holy week of passover, is a great blessing, but it is a reminder of the ongoing psychological terrorism. hamas is carrying out against the loved ones of those they are holding in captivity think more needs to be done. the israeli government did come further forward in the offer that they made to hamas. in recent negotiations and the qatari who hosts the political leadership of hamas in their gulf state i have expressed deep frustration that hamas did not accept the latest offer of a hostage for prisoner exchange and ceasefire. >> the most important thing that could happen in the next couple of days before any assault on rafah would be the release of hostages by hamas

and a ceasefire as a result, that would allow for more humanitarian aid to be distributed in gaza. >> that would provide relief to families like hershey's parents who have suffered so much and that would allow for some positive path forward in the region as we continue to try and advance negotiations between the saudi kingdom and israel about a broader regional plan for peace senator chris, we certainly do appreciate your time. >> thank you so much for being with us today. >> thank you. >> and we're continuing to look at those pictures out of austin, texas. this is the ut austin campus. ut at austin campus. where you see state troopers and protesters. this is as we understand it, from a student journalists on the scene far the biggest sort of i don't want to call it an altercation, but the biggest police presence and a bit of a

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protests at the university of texas at austin. this is it looks like again, these are live pictures coming in, so we're interpreting them as they happen. we understand that students were set to demonstrate a pro-palestinian protest march and as they arrived on scene law enforcement was there enlarged numbers? we've heard reports of multiple arrests this just one of many scenes that have been playing out in colleges all over the country. protests brought about over the israel-hamas war in the next hour house speaker mike johnson is going to speak from columbia university in new york city, calling on that schools president to resign we ever reporters on campus at columbia and it brown in providence, rhode island. let's go first. isabel rosales, who was at brown where an encampment was recently formed. tell us about the scene. there is a well breonna boris you are looking at this pro-palestinian and cabinet right now on the main

green of brown's campus, were these just over 20 tents, one up just early this morning we've heard over 100 students here right now, gathered singing, chanting from colombia to brown we will not let gaza down. >> and i do also want to point out this building right here, that is the administrative building. so they could see from these windows as this encampment continues to grow here are those chances well, and from some of the organizers that we've spoken to, they have two big demands and that is for the university to divest and break apart anytime 20 companies dealing with the israeli government and the second is for them to drop charges against 41 students are arrested back in december 1 sit i do also want to play for you now a video we took here in the last hour showing these students gathered in a circle and you can see university police accompanying school, a school employee, and they have a machine and they're scanning ids one by one by one, scanning ids. these students do face

disciplinary action. i spoke with organizers just a couple of hours ago. one of which is a jewish student. here's what they had to say. >> liberation is intertwined, or safety is intertwined by standing up for palestinian liberation. i understand that i am in fact, standing up for jewish safety. these are fundamentally core values and must be in two twined. and we've said it again and again anti-zionism is not anti-semitism and i'm really proud to be a jew sending and coalition with so many other students on campus at the school put out an email just yesterday saying that the encampment is not an russell offense, but it is against school policy and stating that if this escalates to the point where they need to remove the encampment they could bring police on campus to assist with that and students could face a serious of a charge here academically, as expulsion its guys thank you so much for that

report. >> let's bring in omar jimenez, who's been tracking the protests at columbia university. omar, what is it like today yeah so today we are in the. >> eighth day of the encampment led protests here at columbia university. and we're waiting spi, house speaker mike johnson to arrive here on campus where we do expect him to call for the resignation of columbia's president just to give you an idea of what it looks like. thank here. so behind me that crowd is, there's a few students here, student organizers that are giving it essentially a bit of a press conference were in front of the butler library, which is essentially the main library here. this behind me is the encampment. you can see the checkpoint that they have set up before, essentially to enter into it. there's a community guidelines set up there. >> there's also a posters reminding people what they are fighting for among that bottom line, they want columbia university to divest from companies that profit from israel. >> and so that has been the core message that they had been preaching over the course of this but one of the major

aspects that we've been watching is that an initial few days of this encampment? the president called him the new york police department to clear out the encampment. it enraged some, prompted some criticism from faculty and from students. and then last night, there was a midnight deadline to reach an agreement for students and the administration to find a way to clear out the encampments. that deadline came and went hours later, the university a university spokesperson came out and said they had made progress pushing that deadline out another 48 hours, but the proposed penalty if they did not reach an agreement was essentially that they were going to have to find alternative ways to clear out that encampment. so obviously, that is a bit of a warning sign for some of the students, but they say they are not leaving until their demands are met. and of course, we are in this eighth day, last day of classes set for monday and finals. the week after that. so clearly a situation to keep an eye on, especially over the next 48 hours and as we're said to hear from house speaker johnson in

the next hour or so, omar jimenez, his habitual solace. thank you both so much. we do have some images coming from the university of southern in california, los angeles pro-palestinian protests. there erupting into islands with it appears several people, at least one person there being dragged away by police. we understand the reports indicate there were several arrests on campus. again, it seems like this immense tension playing out on campuses all over the united states we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back on cnn news central well, how do possession matters told us? >> this is the kind of basketball get excited about seltzers, pelicans, thunder coverage begins tonight at 6:30. nba playoffs presented by google pixel. we'll round one coverage presented by nerdwallet live from having their step to shine in their coats. and people switch their

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anti-semitism that has been present at some of these demonstrations. we're going to keep an eye on the situation not only at usc, but across campuses across the country and bring you the latest. as we get it, we should note that at any moment, the judge that's overseeing donald trump's hush money trial could rule on whether the former president violated a court imposed gag order in a heated hearing yesterday, prosecutors argue that trump violated the order by attacking witnesses and jurors multiple times on social media now, after the gag order hearing, trump's longtime friend and former national enquirer publisher, david pecker, testified about a 2015 trump tower meeting with both trump and his former attorney, michael cohen, were pecker agreed to run positive stories about trump and run negative stories about his political rivals joining us now to discuss is former trump white house lawyer and cnn legal commentator, jim scholz. jim, thanks so much for being with us let's start where we left

off in court yesterday and we'll reset to pick up tomorrow and that's testimony from david pecker prosecutor zeroed in on questions about the arrangement between trump and the publisher, and the intent behind it. partly because their case relies on making a clear argument to the jury that pecker tried to help trump for political purposes, not personal ones that gets to the core of the alleged conspiracy. i'm wondering how well you think prosecutor did in illustrating that for the jury well, a couple of things. >> one, it was they made clear that there was this idea that the national enquirer was going in pecker. we're going to push out negative stories like you said, and kill the bad ones, right? about trump? >> but that in and of itself does not constitute a crime and i think what was important in those discussions as while there was this initial meeting with trump, remember, again, this is a business records case

at the end of the day, who was responsible for recording those business records? >> and it was very clear that on a go forward basis, the pecker was to deal with cohen on these issues other than the mcdougal issue, there was no testimony that donald trump had any hadn't much contact, if any, with packer relative to the deals that are central to this case? so i think we need to see more from that discussion. and i really think what's going to happen is the issue at hand is going to be really determined by the testimony of michael cohen. and will the jury believed that testimony given this public vendetta, he has against his former boss that is an open question whether the credibility of michael cohen before a jury is going to be some something that will land with them. gym, we have to cut the conversation short because we're monitoring breaking news. we do appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> thank you.

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