university of michigan. the point is that at college campuses, coast to coast, there had been at the very least similar styles of protests. what we've seen here at columbia all in either solidarity with this campus, but also pro-palestine protests as well. now, as far as when this could potentially come to an end here at columbia the university president has been locked in negotiations with students, with student leaders, essentially she had set a midnight deadline last night to clear out or reach an agreement to clear out the encampments. otherwise, they would have to find alternative means to clear out the encampment's they seem to make good progress. and so now that deadline has been pushed back another 48 hours. but previously wolf, she sent in the nypd to clear out these encampments, drawing a lot of criticism from students and professors. we don't know what those alternative ways to clear out the encampment that she mentioned could be once we hit that 48 hour martin will stay in close touch with you, omar jimenez, in new york for a summer thank you very, very much into our viewers. thanks

very much for joining us here in the cnn newsroom. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. i'll be back later tonight. 6:00 p.m. eastern in the situation room. stay with cnn inside politics with dana bash starts right now welcome to inside hala. take some dana bash. we start at the supreme court where the justices appear deeply divided over one of the biggest abortion cases. since roe versus says wade was overturned. the issue is whether an idaho abortion ban prevents doctors from performing abortions for women who are having a medical emergency that may not be life-threatening, but is a threat to her health. cnn's paula reid, and meg tirrell are here to break it down. paula, i'm going to start with you. >> give us sort of a synopsis of what we have heard.

>> obviously not just the arguments, but maybe more importantly, the kinds of questions the justices are asking. >> yeah, so this case specifically focused on the state of idaho. there's an abortion ban, there boat and it comes to emergency medical treatment for pregnant women. there is an exception. abortions can be performed if a woman's life is at risk, the biden administration sued the state of iowa. idaho is saying, wait a second, it shouldn't get that far. if you need to perform this procedure to stabilize someone that should be sufficient under federal law, which is how we heard. wow. we found ourselves today at the supreme court. and from what we heard, i think the most interesting takeaway is that the votes of cheese chief justice john roberts, and amy coney barrett seemed to be up for grabs and that's a little bit of a surprise because i think a lot of folks might think, well, of course they're going to side with idaho. but in fact, based on the question that we heard today, both of them seemed to open and that's critical because it would of course let's be key swing votes here, right? and the key here is, as i mentioned at the open, this is the most significant case that is dealing with the ramifications

of what this very court did a few years ago, which is the dobbs decision overturning roe versus wade. and the very real issue that many medical providers are having in a lot of these red states where there are very strict abortion bans on, where they believe the law is and what they can do and frankly not get sued yeah. or lose their medical license or an idaho face two to five years in prison if they violate the state ban. and what we're hearing is that this has a couple of different effects. one doctor salah's and patients tell us we've been to idaho to talk to folks there about this they tell us they're afraid to be pregnant in the state of idaho because if you have a situation like this where you have to wait until you're at death's door. oftentimes, that means that doctors will be afraid to provide that treatment. and what we hear is that now their counseling patients that they need insurance to be flown out of state to be able to get that kind of care rather than the doctors it's putting

themselves at risk by providing it within that state. and we actually heard some numbers about this. they are small numbers, but they show that there's been an increase as a result of this emtala situation last year, the largest hospital system in idaho said that they had to transfer one patient out of state because of this kind of situation this year. and just the first few months of the year since this emtala ban, essentially, it was lifted in the full band went into effect in idaho. there's been six patients transferred out of state. they save you annual annualize that that's 20 patients. it's a rare situation that this happens. obviously from these numbers, but it obviously affects people. >> and paula, you made the point about amy coney barrett and the chief justice john roberts? asking a lot of questions that make it clear that they are open to citing perhaps with the liberals on the bench in just zeroing in on amy coney barrett. she was asking what happens if a doctor what reached the conclusion of good faith that an abortion was medically necessary, but prosecutors disagreed. would

they be prosecuted under the idaho law asking questions like that, which sort of goes to the very heart of why this is such an issue, obviously, first and foremost, policy-wise. but also politically across the country, because these are questions being asked in courts of law in legislatures that have to do mostly with how a doctor and a patient view in this case, a very dire situation that doesn't necessarily just mean, will i save the life of a mother, but will i save? the mother's ability to have children again, if she wants to. >> yeah, exactly. that. that specific hypothetical was brought up by another justice and you've really hit on one of the key exchanges here about the fact that idaho is suggesting that really doctor's judgment may be subject to the judgment of a prosecutor. that's what amy coney barrett was getting out there so often we listened to supreme court arguments and we think about everything along

this liberal, conservative framework. but here it was actually the ladies of the court, all the women that three liberal justices joined by amy coney barrett, who dominated the first half. and we're really grilled the lawyer who is representing idaho, josh turner. this was his first argument before the supreme court and at times it did show he got some pretty tough questions, some hypotheticals, questions like that, but it does appear that it's possible the government might prevail here and we know that whatever is decided here could not only have implications for women who need this service, but also potentially for the election that is so interesting that point you made about all of the women asking specific questions. i mean, whether or not there are conservatives or liberals talk about representation, mattering. thanks so much for that explanation to both of you. right now at the supreme court, there are really big protests happening as all of this is playing out. cnn's gabe cohen is there in the thick of it, gave what's going on not stop. >> we will not be done.

>> then you can see behind me as speaker talking to this proud of demonstrators for abortion rights. this has been a large crowd over the past couple of hours that they've been listening to some of these speakers and we've seen some tense moments because on the other side of those barricades is an anti-abortion group of activists who are protesting as you probably can't really tell there's really no crowd outside there. it's only a handful of people. but we just a few minutes ago listened to a group of anti anti-abortion activists who were really trolling the speakers here. they were yelling back and forth. there was a lot of clashing. we've seen a couple of incidents of that over the past couple of hours here, but dana a lot of emotions as we're hearing from people i spoke with a doctor from idaho who talked about she says she used to provide abortion care, but over the past couple of years with this restrictive law it's really not possible and she's concerned with the number of patients who are fleeing the state of idaho to get care, as well as other states would these restrictive laws and concerns about those patients

these medical emergencies are struggling to get the abortion care they need to say, we will not stop. thank you so much for that. according with me, i wanted to be in you're bot. >> you can still hear me. thank you so much. appreciate it. i want to come back into the studio and bring in my great political panel, cnn's mj lee cnn's david chalian and nia-malika henderson, up cnn and bloomberg. wow, there's a lot going on this morning. and i just want to start where we began the program, which is obviously the abortion issue. what is happening at the court and david chalian talk about how you see that playing. i'm not asking you for a crystal ball because that doesn't exist but the here and the now how that plays into the existing strategy inside the biden campaign on this issue. >> just look at the campaign schedule this week alone in the last two days from the vice president and the president vice president harris was in battleground wisconsin talking

about abortion rights on monday, president biden was in florida trying to see if you can make it a battleground by talking about abortion rights down there in tampa yesterday and the entire strategy here is, this is from the democratic side is this is an issue they have watched over the last two years, work to their political benefit in special elections that have happened in very red states like kansas or in battleground states, or congressional districts time and again, when this issue was on the ballot, it a draws support to a coalition of abortion rights supporters that the biden team believes they can put their effort of success, their hopes for success this fall, i would just say, obviously voters this fall are gonna have a whole constellation of issues that they're gonna vote on. this is not going to be the only issue but the biden team sees this as a critical component to putting their coalition together. >> and mj, let's listen to a little bit of president biden on this issue on the trail.

>> really is a women or during unbearable pain and cruelty because of donald trump sadly it's pain and cruelty that millions of women in florida now face. it's not inevitable we can stop it when you vote. >> we can stop if he didn't hear that. >> florida. that's what he was talking about that because that's where he was yesterday, which is certainly not on the biden campaign's plan before floor, at least not in an earnest way. for florida implemented at irs is set to implement a very restrictive six-week abortion ban? >> yeah. and, you know, it's kyi i think that he is using language like cruelty, like pain. we've seen the biden campaign, the white house to really fine to use these anecdotes and stories from women, their families in a whole number of different states who have had problems

getting access to the health care that they need. and one step further than that is to say, you know, here are the stories, here are the ways in which families are being affected. and by the way, this is all because of onald trump's first presidency. and what's more, this is more of what we will see if donald trump gets a second term. if republicans have any say in any of these matters and i think there are betting on the fact that enough people will understand when they hear these stories, when they see these kinds of pictures, that that is not the america that they want for themselves, for their families, their friends. that is the political calculation that they're making. let's look at the national landscape, nea, about what abortion looks like in a lot of these states, including, and especially just on the raw politics of this the expected swing states, a battleground states al completely banned with very limited exceptions. >> you see all of these dates

arizona is really the key one here, which we've talked a lot, a lot about in recent weeks. and then the six-week to 12 week bands, florida, georgia, those are two critical battleground states. and then if you look ahead to north carolina as well. >> and so let's be real here. the president of the united states is kind of limited in what he can do on putting roe back in place without congress and everything else. but what the biden campaign and democrats can do is rally enthusiasm, particularly in the states that matter the most. and on that note you of course have a ballot proposals in a lot of these states, arizona, arkansas, colorado, florida, maryland goes on and on. the key ones from a presidential perspective, or arizona florida nevada yeah. >> listened bloomberg's got to pull out today. i'm swing states and it shows that for

half of the voters in the state, abortion is a very, very important issue to their vote in arizona, you look at independent voters according to our poll, they trust by knowing these issues by 12 points over trump in suburban women trust biden over trump by 25 points. so that is the sort of constellation of voters that they are looking at energizing, as you said, there's obviously going to be a ballot initiative on the ballot. there that democrats are pushing, republicans are meeting, i think today to figure out what kind ballot initiative of vacant put on the roster in november as well. >> we're going to talk later in the show about the raw anti-semitism that is not just popping up but exploding on some campuses but right here, i want to talk about the role politics of what continues to concern the biden campaign, which is maybe another star in that constellation that you talked about of issues that the both campaigns are dealing

within in this case, the biden campaign and that is how the war in the middle east, particularly israel prosecuting it's retaliation in gaza, is effecting voters in the biden coalition. just look at the harvard iop you survey that was came out last month the economy obviously is number one immigration and so on and so forth interestingly, the israeli palestinian conflict is only 2%. what does that tell you, david? >> well, the biden team was very pleased to see that was not ranking as high as perhaps newspapers. >> and i should say, forgive me, but i should also add that approval of the way biden's handling the israel-hamas war among young people is only 18%. yes. and i was just about to take so in salience as an important issue among these voters in this poll, you see it's low down there, but we are seeing his numbers actually getting worse on this issue. i mean, this is now starting to be an immigration territory for

him as an issue, it's one of his worst-performing issues. his handling of the israel-hamas war and especially within his own coalition. so again, when you're dealing with such a close presidential race as this one is supposed to be. >> every piece of that coalition is as important as the other and so as an animating issue for some voters inside that democratic coalition, young voters, what have you, this is really important and biden's not performing well with it. and mj, you have some brand new reporting on what the biden campaign is and is not doing with regard to these protests yeah. >> for starters, the president is going to be in new york city at the end of the week, but he's not going to be making a visit to columbia, for example, to see for himself. and here for himself, some of these impassioned voices, cbos testers i don't i don't think that the campaign right now sees an upside. i mean, first of all, the logistics of having the president go into such a messy situation. i think from a

security standpoint, not to mention the political standpoint, it would just be very, very challenging. and on the whole, when i've spoken to white house officials and campaign officials about this very issue in recent weeks, they have been incredibly consistent in saying we plan on staying the course. there are not some big political meetings that are happening inside the white house or in wilmington hq where advisors are trying to come up with some brand new different strategy to deal with the gaza issue. there are sensitive to it. they know that it is a challenge, but they don't believe that this is something where they need to have a different tack to deal with it. they don't see this as a politically sort of existential problem right now. >> don't know where it's going to be. we don't come the fall on the ground and that will dictate a lot. >> and i mean, you have seen the president move on yes. right. he's been much more vocal in terms of his criticism of netanyahu. for instance, we'll see how this plays out. he's going to morehouse to give a commencement address on next month that coalition of

voters important to a state like georgia it's sort of upper educated black voters who could be critical in a state like georgia. i'm certain that they're going to be protests there. there's already a protest even before he gets there are with people wanting them to rescind the invitation. more is that they don't plan to do that, but i'm sure it will be a scene and he's trying to walk that line. he put out a strong statement over the weekend about anti-semitism that is growing. and then the next day put out a statement supporting the idea of pro-palestinian protests and that's a line that is not going to please pretty much anybody, which is very, very difficult to do thank you so much. appreciate. should also add that the house speaker is going to go to columbia today, which is going open up another point of political attack coming up next, you just can't help himself. did donald trump violated his gag order at the same time, a judge is considering whether to punish him for it we'll talk about

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literally months in the making. >> president biden saying this morning from the white house that the first tranche of that aid to ukraine would be available or would be sent from the us with then hours and the pentagon then detailing exactly what is in that initial tranche that the us is going to be sending. it will include munitions of varying sizes, various rounds of artillery, high mobility artillery, rocket systems commonly known as highmark, as well as tactical hello vehicles. and other anti armor systems. but in those remarks, biden was chiding congress for how long it took to get this package passed. the administration first notified congress if it's request for more funding for conflicts it's all across hotspots around the world. in late october. so it took more than six months to get it across the finish line. but buying did praise some republican leaders by name, namely house speaker mike johnson, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, and said that bipartisan cooperation is sending a strong

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maybe it's just a strategy donald trump will not relent. and how he breaks a gag order imposed on him by the judge overseeing has been hatton hush money trial just last night as the judge ways whether or how to punish the form former president four, ten instances, the prosecution claims he flaunted restrictions on what he can say. trump seems to have just ignored the rules. again, here's what he said about a witness, michael cohen, in an interview with cnn affiliate wpvi michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers joining me now cnn legal analysts carried cordero and cnn correspondent kara scannell, who has been cnn's eyes and ears and then some inside the courtroom covering this trial, qarrah, i do want to start with you on this gag order what is the expectation? what are you hearing from your sources in the court? any sense of we don't know how it's going to come down, but even the win

well, we're waiting for the judge to issue this decision yesterday after the hearing, he said he would reserve decision on this but it came after what was a at times contentious hearing with the judge becoming frustrated with donald trump's legal team trying to not responding to his questions as he put it, because prosecutors so i've said that trump has violated this gag order at least ten times. >> they have the interview that you just played a clip of trump actually gave yesterday morning on his way to court before this hearing took place, but it echoes some of the other statements that prosecutors have said are problematic. so the judge was pressing trump's attorneys in court about what was he responding to because their argument has been that trump is a candidate he should be able to respond to political attacks. they were saying statements from michael cohen and stormy daniels were political, and the judge just kept pressing saying what was political about this? what is he responding to here? and at one point of the other

arguments that they made is that he was trump's lawyers said that he was just re-posting what other people were posting, but the judge was challenging that two and at one point, he grew frustrated saying trump's lawyers saying trying to argue again, but, your honor, and then the judge saying, i was not done, you're not giving me anything to hang my hat on to say, yeah, you're right. the repost that was ambiguous. so judge it's just becoming frustrated and saying that he that trump's attorney was losing credibility because he was not able to answer the judge's questions and carry their the court is not in session today on this particular case, but we are now in the middle of the david pecker testimony. we heard it most of the day, not all day yesterday. we expected to resume tomorrow the court is releasing the actual transcripts and part of what i want to read from the testimony that they released last night is david pecker talking about trump's involvement specifically? and he said i would describe mr. trump is very knowledgeable. i would

describe him as a very, very detail-oriented. i would describe him as an almost as a micromanager from what i saw that he looked at every all aspects of whatever the issue was from a lawyer's perspective, why is that such important testimony? >> well, it's important because one of the main things that the prosecutors have to prove in this case is that the former president was knowledgeable about the fraud that is alleged to have taken place and so this general characterization of the former president as being a micromanager, being involved in the details of things sort of goes along that path of him having knowledge of the fraud that the prosecutor say takes place. >> but the other aspect of mr. pecker's testimony is that it is not generally it is not illegal to do sleazy things to influence an election shen in the way of trying to win it. and i think the big challenge for the prosecutors in this case is distinguishing between the fraud and the actual way to

affect the election in an illegal way. that is different than just sort of unsavory conduct. yeah. they're clearly the prosecution is clearly with pecker trying to lay the groundwork of donald trump being somebody who would never allow for alleged fraudulent documents to be to go forward without him knowing about it, and that's clearly part of this. thank you. sorry. short, we're going to have a lot more to talk about in the next few weeks. thank you so much, kara, as well. up next the biden white house is staying far away from trump's legal problems, but what about the biden reelection campaign they tuned when you're the leader is ask the cleanup and the curation. how do you make like it never even happen happened whatever

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the details of that. but it is an opportunity for him to go out and talk about the future and talk about the contrast on substantive issues. and i think ultimately a message that works for him is i'm focused on your future. he's focused on his past and this is very much being reflected in what's going on right now. >> i mean, do you think any of the sort of witch-hunt all of the things that donald trump is saying, most of which is totally not based in evidence or truth has any legs. >> listen, i think what he's doing now and just judges good luck to the judge trying to contain trump. he's not going to put them in jail and a $1,000 fine is not going to stop him from talking or i think any amount he is priess spinning the result of this on out of fear that it could be a conviction. it may not be. and this is what he did as you note before the election. so this is what he does and there may be,

particularly if there's a hung jury or there may be he's there may be some sympathy for him, but i think primarily among his own supporters, let's talk about some of the elections that are still going what that might tell us about november pennsylvania, the commonwealth of pennsylvania, those famous collar counties around the suburb it's around philadelphia. i want you to look at some of the results this is on the republican side. delaware county, donald trump got 76%. nikki haley, 24%. yeah, bucks county trump, at one nikki haley, 19 montgomery county, trump 75 nikki haley, 25. i just want to mind our viewers. nikki haley's not running for president, hasn't been for quite awhile exactly. so what does that tell you? >> well, there's obviously resistance to trump. and this was a closed primary. so these were republicans voting there

is a contingent of republican voters who are reluctant about trump. i'm sure this trial is in helping there they're their feelings about that. and this was a way to express that the question is, does that translate into a vote? >> what's your feeling on that? >> i think some portion of them will but we are very tribal society right now politically and when people see the de and the are a bunch of that is going to melt away. but in a marginal race, it could be a difference. >> you're inside the biden campaign right now how do you reach those voters? >> listen, i think that the voters who are not engaged, right now are very much about economics this is why the objective factors the us is doing very well compared to other countries, but insisting on that and getting credit for it was not a winning strategy. talking about how you're

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college campuses hamas, we love you, hamas, a terrorist organization. and it's not just dangerous words. jewish students say they are being assaulted on campus my friend on saturday night was full-blown assaulted. he had he was shoved around. he had his flag stolen and they tried to burn it. i will not walk on that campus with my coupon. >> i was personally assaulted. my friend was personally assaulted physically quickly, intimidated and harassed no

students should ever fear displaying their faith at a school place that it's supposed to be fertile ground for freedom of expression, whether it is a christian student or a muslim student, or a jewish student? >> joining me from providence, rhode island is gillian lederman. she is the president of brown university's students for israel and chair of hilal israel leadership network. and here in washington, adam leeman ceo of hilal, the largest jewish campus organization in the world. jillian, i'm going to start with you up in providence this morning. dozens of brown students formed a gaza solidarity camp on your campus. you gave us a video that we're going to show. what was it like walking by that? >> well first of all, thank you so much for having me on the protests formed early this morning about 80 students decided to follow suit from students at columbia and at yale and at other schools by setting up camp, by setting up tents on link epistasis dozens

of tents set up forming a gaza solidarity encampment there are multiple students who are now joining the protest who are pledging to stay there indefinitely until bradley university divest from what they say or weapons manufacturers blending of genocide and israel walking through the protest felt very much like walking through many of the other protests that have occurred on campus throughout the past six months but what i will say is that it is uniquely framed in light of what's been happening at other campuses over the past couple of days when you see the violence happening at columbia, the violence happening at yale. thankfully, that has not happened at brown. it has remained peaceful. i'm hopeful that it will remain peaceful, but the context of other campuses has made this protest incredibly unique. >> yeah. well, let's hope that especially given the fact that the adl just recently did a survey on college campuses around the country and brown got a d when it comes to antisemitism. this is before

everything that we're seeing now, adam here in washington, i want to reduce speaking the adl something that jonathan greenblatt, the ceo of the adl, wrote in an op-ed on cnn he went to columbia's hill while it met with about 80 jewish students. he said, one depicted the assault of a jewish classmate, an israeli flag ripped from his hand. another showed a jewish student being screamed at by a fully masked individual who came right up to his face, his voice shaking with fury. he went on to say demonstrators calling openly for hamas to burn tel aviv. we heard that ourselves others yelling that october 7 is about to be every day. what i want to know from you is if you've any sense from the jewish students who talked to all over the country, all over the world. but specifically, specifically, let's start here in the us why is this happening? why is it going from basic protests, free speech, to intimidation and sometimes some scary violence? >> yeah. thank you for having us on this conversation. dana,

it's really quite simple. there are organizations like national students for justice in palestine that are not interested in dialogue and debate. they're not interested in even necessarily simply supporting palestinians. they are interested in advancing a political worldview in the end that reflects the goals of hamas, of hezbollah, of a ran and they are using campuses as an instrument to try to effectuate that change. and unfortunately, a lot of students who understandably want to think about and express compassion towards palestinians. hopefully they think the same towards israelis the victims of ten, seven, and others who've been so adversely amide, but even with all of that, they're getting in my view, co-opted into a political movement that as we have seen, has been marked by hateful discriminatory, and violence speech, and actual

harassment and violence spawning from urging university hey president's to do, to try to separate the genuine freedom of speech protest from what you are describing as much more insidious. and maybe even in some cases, completely separate from what the students are experiencing on campus. >> yeah first of all, i think we have to call this free speech argument for what it is, which is a red herring. >> the campuses involved in this story and really the a hundreds of other campuses where we've seen protests have provided ample time, place, and space for protest. however, passionate or aggressive students want to be in those spaces, students are running and non-students coming in to take advantage running roughshod over those parameters. so administrators need to just continue to do what they can achieve and

reasserting control over the campus how should they do that? >> do they need better help from law enforcement? absolutely need help from law enforcement. we appreciate that the president has spoken out in ways that recognize the antisemitism and completely unacceptable, unacceptable conditions. but we need law enforcement coordination of federal and local level. and frankly, there are a lot of universities that have done better and they've done better by getting ahead of these problems. it took months for administrators at columbia and many of their impacted schools to take action. it really concerns me a lot as we look toward graduations. >> and gillian on that note, we only have a short time left. do you feel that delicious you are brown and you said that things are a little bit more sedate there, but how do you feel that? at brown, they're getting out ahead of what could happen just with the encampment. it encampment rather starting to come up today i think, they are

i think it's a testament to the administration they sent out a message yesterday saying that the encampment's did violate the university's could have called them that if they escalate, action will be taken. >> there are university officials out staged at the encampment, taking down students ids, ensuring that things do not get out of hand. i usually credit my administration for responding in that way and i think the other universities should follow suit. >> okay. thank you so much, julia and letterman and adam leeman of hilal, appreciate both of you and your time this morning. we'll be right back. >> you're ready know from my old spice, you can use it on your pits chest and even your toes that's not your toes that's fresh okay. orders coming, starting and is never easy, but starting at eight

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