muntean. thank you so much for your reporting. as always in tennessee and headed to the governor's desk is a whole lot of controversy right now. this is after the tennessee state legislature just passed bill allowing teachers to carry concealed handguns on school grounds protesters took to the state capital over this some chanting blood on your hands at republican lawmakers. if the governor signs the bill into law, it would be the biggest expansion of gun acts since last year's deadly shooting at an elementary school in nashville, six people were killed. cnn's nick valencia is tracking all of this for us and joins us now, nick, have you heard anything from the republican governor about this yet? >> yeah, we did reach out to bill lee, but he's not gotten back to us, but it's clear, kate, that the republican led legislature in tennessee believes that the remedy for school shootings is to put more guns on campuses and to arm teachers. the bills, cosponsors says that there's a lot of misinformation about this legislation principally, that it's not a requirement for

teachers in tennessee to carry a concealed gun, but rather it gives them the option, but only if they reach a series of thresholds, including enhanced carry permit, they're going to need to get permission from the superintendent, the school principal, as well as the local law enforcement chief is submitted background check, go through 40 hours of school training among other things. it's interesting though that this legislation comes just about a year after the deadliest school we'll shooting in state history at the covenant school, that private school in nashville and some of the parents of those surviving victims, they oppose this legislation and they could be heard after its passage saying blood on your hands this is the reaction of rage and anger as the bolus to get firearms wave from schools, not put them in. the school says, this is ridiculous. are a lot are representatives of sodas out to lobbyist money. they've sold us out the corporate interest in people who support them financially and not the the actual people adding to

this controversy is that most school employees and the parents would not be notified if they're children's teacher his armed kate nick. thank you for the update and continue to follow this new our of seeing a new central starts now >> and emergency care. any moment there could be a decision to hold donald's egg order in the new york criminal case. and president biden getting ready to sign a bill that could mean the end of tiktok in the united states i'm john berman with kate baldwin and sarah signer. this is cnn new set

how many right now a live look at the supreme court where we are standing by for oral arguments on whether most critical abortion cases since roe versus wade was overturned one that could end a life or death, medical care stripped away for millions of american women at issus specifically, next hour is whether or not er doctors in idaho, this is a state that has a near total abortion. >> man will be permanently forced to refuse to provide emergency abortions to pregnant women even when they know the woman's condition could become life-threatening. the decision set to reverberate across the nation has several states and for similar bands to idaho, cnn's joan bus cubic is live now outside of the supreme court as they prepare to listen to the opening arguments walk us through what the arguments will be here to the justices in the next hour. >> sure. sarah, good to see you

and people are filing into the courtroom as we speak now. and this case brings us right back to where we were two years ago when the supreme court overturned nearly a half century of abortion rights and states like idaho immediately put into place abortion bans idaho's band says, no woman can terminate a pregnancy in the state unless her actual life is being threatened. soon after that reversal of roe v. wade, attorney general, merrick garland put out a statement that reminded everyone of a federal law called the emergency medical act law that applies just to emergency rooms and would require any woman who would come there with pregnancy complications to get emergency care to stabilize her health, even if it didn't even if she her death was not imminent, it would be serious life threatening, not life-threatening situations, health threatening situations like rupture of a membrane infection then a serious infection near organ failure. that's the kind of medical

emergencies that are right in the gap here of what the federal government says should be covered in emergency rooms. and that idaho says should not be covered up first sarah will be joshua turner, representing the state of idaho, arguing that federal for law does not preempt state law here, that the state still governs what goes on in the emergency room up next we'll be solicitor general. elizabeth prelogar saying in serious emergency situations is federal law has to take effect. women have to be guaranteed that their health will be preserved if they have serious complications in pregnancy sarah, joan biskupic are right outside of court. we're also looking if you see there on the screen as the protesters are asserting to gather in much larger numbers so far opening arguments begin in just less than an hour, and this isn't the only place that is discussing this very volatile issue. >> it's absolutely the right. we're also watching arizona right now are the chaotic fight takes khader, click there. it takes a new turn over abortion

access and that civil war era abortion ban in arizona after false starts last week, a major hurdle could now be clear to cnn's natasha, can she's in phoenix for us tracking all of this and attach to arizona state house lawmakers last week, they failed twice to push to make progress on repealing this ban but that could change today. what are you learning? >> kate, a republican source tells me there are now votes to make this happen at this week, even though it didn't happen last week, as you mentioned, there is a razor thin majority for republicans in both chambers here. so democrats needed to, republicans to vote with them for this repeal happen. i'm being told they now have enough to first bypass the procedural hurdle, then the repeal itself. now, if they do this, that doesn't mean that the law is repealed immediately. it still has to go over to the senate, sayyed. they are expected to pass the repeal, then it would go to the

governor's desk that could all happen by early we may. but if they fail to repeal this law, the earliest it can go into effect is june 8. and just to remind people, this law dates back to 18, 64. it bans nearly all abortions except in the case of saving the life of the mother, carries a prison sentence for providers two to five years. and until june 8th the law that's in effect right now is actually a 15 week abortion ban that arizona passed in 2022 also does not carry any exceptions for rape or incest. the republicans would like to focus though on the fact that there is a november ballot initiative by abortion rights advocates to try to enshrine abortion rights into the state's constitution. they are going to meet today to try to make progress on introducing their own counter ballot initiative. kate a lot of action going to happen in there. thank you so much. there's hosho jump right with us now constitutional law

professor at the john jay college of criminal justice, gloria brown, marshal author of, she took justice the black woman law in power 16, also with this jeffrey rosen, president and ceo of the national constitution center let me just start with you. the supreme court hearing arguments tangentially related to this idaho case today. what are you watching for now? almost every time the supreme court here's an abortion case post-dobbs i think i'm going to be listening for whether or not the supreme court is wrestling with the health of a mother versus the life of the mother. >> and what we have, our fathers on mother's it parents on the supreme court. and when you're talking about the life of the mother, that means that a doctor has to wait to see if the woman's health deteriorates to a point where her life is indeed in danger as opposed to her been in a

situation in which she could have a lifelong disability, such as a stroke if she's not given that termination of pregnancy at that moment? so i think i'm going to be really listening for their concern as human beings, as well as where the federal and state law stands federalism is the balance of power between the state and federal government. and there's always a balance going on about power. but i think that you're gonna be human beings as well as lawyers listening to these arguments jeffrey the dobbs decision essentially put questions of abortion back to the states. if the supreme court does anything here, does that put some federal guard rails on the issue of abortion again, it could. the question is whether the federal government can establish a baseline of care and federal law trumps state law to the contrary, and the claim here is that a federal law that requires that emergency rooms provider provide all necessary treatment

includes care for abortion. >> now it could be that the justices will say that you need a clear statement from congress before you can cover abortion. and that's the claim of the abortion opponents here in the idaho case. they said that the law doesn't speak clearly and therefore, it shouldn't be interpreted to cover abortion. it has huge consequences it says because if the justices narrow this law as idaho wants and say it merely requires equal treatment. in other words, idaho only has to provide the abortion treatment that it provides to all other women, which is namely zero. that's basically deferring to state law about how, what the baseline of care graves, which is not consistent with the general principle of federalism that national law, trump's. so it's hugely significant. the'd, the arizona case shows these are both laws that were passed in the 18 the 18, 64,

and arizona 18, 90. these laws are springing back to life and, the question is, who's going to have the final word? the federal government, the voters of the state in an initiative of the legislature. the the bottom line is these extreme abortion bans are not popular even in the reddest states. as arizona shows. and when they're submitted to a vote of legislators are the people today. they tend to get over returned the only vote that matters is gonna be the vote in the supreme court, at least on this issue right now. >> so in 20 seconds or less, each of you i want you to predict where you think the supreme court will try to base this decision. gloria, first to you i'm going to say the power is going to have to be with supremacy of the federal law and that they're going to say that the state cannot say is just when a woman's life is in danger. >> jeffrey, to you, this is the court that overturned dobbs. where do you think they want to be here? i mean, overturn roe as gloria says, they do care about federal supremacy and

don't want to have states totally resisting federal law. but they may also say there's no conflict here and try to avoid a direct clash between the federal government in the states will have a better sense after the oral argument this morning again, and that is why we're all going to hear those and we're gonna be paying very close attention to the way the justices ask their questions. gloria brown, marshal jeffrey rosen, thanks so much for being with us cnn's special coverage of the oral arguments before the supreme court. they will start in just a few minutes at the top of the hour, sarah. >> all right ahead. >> if the judge decides donald trump violated a gag order, there's a very, very small i'll chance he might put the president, former president, in jail, the secret service is getting ready just in case that happens. >> also after a tense night of standoffs, administrators at columbia university are giving pro-palestinian protesters t additional days to negiate breaking down their encampment. we have the very latest from canvas a the clock ticking o tiktok tod, presidt biden

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waiting, of course for that ruling in the case it is not clear yet what, if any, consequences donald trump may face for the ten alleged violations that prosecutors say warrant fines joining us now a cnn legal analyst, jennifer rodgers and elliott william with us as well. good to see you both. jennifer, i'll begin with you. you're standing here with me the court is not this case is not going today. but how soon might we get this gag order which will just be put out into the public record, correct? yes. i think we'll get it soon probably today. i think the judge will write up a short order, which is why we haven't seen it yet. but there's no reason to wait especially because trump continues to violate the gag order yesterday, the day before. so i think the judge will want to get it out quickly. >> we'll talk about that right now donald trump went to talk to wpvi, one of our cnn affiliates. and he talking about one of the witnesses. again and the same witness, his former attorney, michael cohen. here's what he said my cohen

is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. >> he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me then he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me elliott, this was not brought up in court. >> it's happening afterwards is this another violation of the order and can the judge look at this even though it wasn't brought up in court as another potential fine or worse? >> well, sir. >> thank you, sir. uh, certainly. even if the judge doesn't choose a look at it, i bet you the prosecutors will bring it to the judge's attention now, the michael cohen world of statements, and there are many, many of them are in a slightly different class and some other statements that the president made because of the fact that there actually is back-and-forths sniper thing happening in the press between the former president and michael cohen that the president, at least has an argument of saying that all he's doing is responding to the criticism now prosecutors

will come back and say you started these comments long before michael cohen said anything it's it's far less of a gray area. these statements and there's at least one statement where the former president tweeted something directly attacking the jury pool and that is one that the judge will almost certainly reference in any order that he writes because there's there's literal little justification for a statement like that. but some of the he's other statements that sort of step into that, or at least flirt with being first amendment protected speech, i think are just going to be a tougher call for the judge. did to sort through you just talked about what could be a legitimate argument for the defense in the gag order case when it comes to michael cohen how how would you see that playing out with me? >> what would that argument be? and what might the judge do it that expand the gag order. everyone like, how would that work? >> that's a great question. i mean, he could expand the gag order. i think he's going to have to make some decisions here about how he wants to

slice and dice this. i suspect he will find some violations out of the tennis and that the prosecutors are seeking and not others, he will find for the ones that he does fine. he'll give stern warnings to the defendant, donald trump, but he's in a tough position because he doesn't have a lot of options if he's not willing to send donald trump to jail. and i don't think that he is, at least not right now. >> the gag order is one small part of this case. the overarching case. there's a lot that has happened already with one of the key witnesses here. we heard from the first and very key witness, david pecker, the former publisher of the enquirer who is on the stand talking about conversations that he had with donald trump to help trump's campaign. and hurt trump's opponents. here's some of what transpired during court. pecker sets, and i'm going to put pull this up here as he's talking to trump, it said anything i hear in the marketplace, if i hear anything negative about yourself or if i hear anything about women selling stories, i would notify michael cohen who was then donald trump's fixer and

personal attorney as i did over the last several years. and the prosecutor say, okay. so they would not get published, you mean? and he responds? yeah. so they wouldn't get published yes. jennifer why is it so important for prosecutors to show this was all about keeping negative information about donald trump away from potential voters. >> so the way they've charged this case is the falsified financial documents, but it gets a bump up to a felony if that was if another crime was committed to cover about the crime. right. so it's important for them to prove this election interference conspiracy. and that's what they do with david pecker. so all of this testimony about this is what we would do if we learned something that could damage his candidacy. and that was explicit in this meeting that they had it's all about the election, then we would kill that story. so that's what they're proving with this test. simona, it also has the side benefit of dirty up the defendant a bit totally legitimately because it does go to this critical issue that

they have to prove. but it's disgusting what they did about false statement of false stories that they would plant about his opponents. and so you kind of get this side benefit of the jury thinking wow, that's really dirty play that the defendant was engaged in with david pecker and the political world donald trump is always talking about things being rigged. but in this case, this was something being rigged in his favor i do wanna ask you, elliot, as we go forward, pecker is going to continue to take the stand. what do we expecting to hear or on thursday because some of the salacious details of this case, having even come out in front of the jury, yet, correct yes absolutely. >> the most valuable thing david pecker can do is bring the jurors into the room with the former president and michael cohen and hope hicks actually was in this august 2015 meeting. hope hicks, the former white house staffer there's no science to setting up the order for witnesses at a trial and prosecutors put somebody on who is a compelling witness who doesn't have a lot of personal baggage, no matter

how salacious the story is. but it's a good witness to start with. and i think you are getting the first-hand accounting of somebody who spoke with the former president directly, the defendant directly about the scheme as alleged by prosecutors. and so i think they will use david pecker to lay the groundwork for explaining exactly these kinds of financial transactions that jennifer was talking about just a moment ago. >> elliot williams always excellent. jennifer rodgers. appreciate you both being here to analyze this as this court case continues. all right. >> thank you so much. okay. >> today, the house speaker is headed to new york to speak to jewish students at columbia university and pro-palestinian protests there. enter an eighth day there are. the administration there had said a midnight deadline to start breaking down that in cabinet. what's happening? that's next live from the nation's capital, one of the most unforgettable

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3636. that's 18050, 3636 called now every piece of evidence tells a story how it really happened with jesse l. >> martin sunday at nine on cnn this morning after initially issuing a midnight deadline, columbia university extended negotiations with protesters for the next 48 hours. >> to dismantle the pro pilus at palestinian encampment on campus. now protests, of course, have spread across the entire country. today, house speaker mike johnson announced he will visit columbia to meet with you as students and speak on what he calls quote, the troubling rise of virulent antisemitism on america's college campuses cnn's omar jimenez is live just outside the columbia campus this morning. and for the first

w're seeing few protests, g a but crically these are ones that are happening off columbi's campus. so as you e them behind me, is could that has been the critic diffence for those that have happened off-campus. but regardless, it is another pro-palestine protests that we have seen in contrast with the encampment led protests that we have i've been seeing on campus and now enter an eighth de, but you can see, of cour, the small group that's gathered here. but also, if you look up, you can see the sine free palestine that is from on-campus. so that would have been placed there from folks that are on campus we spoke to a woman speaking to students over the past few days and one of those students that jewish students told me that she didn't feel safe on campus because of an experience she had where she said those in the encampment formed a human chain and forced her and her friend out. >> take a listen i pay to go to

the school and the student here, and i should have equal access to all the resources like everyone else. >> there's nothing wrong with peaceful we protesting. i'm all for that. you absolutely have the right to protest. but when you do things like that, that's crossing a line and that's turning into harassment know, our our in addition here this demonstration, this encampment, it has always been about decolonization antigen aside. >> and she wore in for columbia to divest for columbia to make transparent in public, they're investments we are also calling for amnesty for all students who have faith disciplinary actions. so far and on that first students, some of the students in the camp plane is because they were violating the community guidelines, which if you go in there, there are lists of community you need guidelines listed. >> but regardless, the school based on these tensions that have been there, have moves

classes to be hybrid and we now have an extension of 48 hours for negotiations over how this encampment will be resolved or as the universe firstly, president mentioned in the previously mentioned midnight deadline, they will have to find alternative ways to clear the encampment. we don't know what those may be, but we know that last week the nypd was sent into clear those camps. we'll just have to see what happens this time around. >> and i'm very curious to see the atmosphere when house speaker mike johnson arrives there a little bit later, omar jimenez, greatest thank you very much kate. >> joining us right now is democratic congressman from new jersey, josh gottheimer to talk much more about this. thank you so much for being here, congressman. you visited columbia's campus on monday. we know republican house speaker mike johnson. he's heading there today the school decides to push classes to mostly hybrid for the rest of the semester. i think it ends next week and now extending this deadline for negotiating to talk about what that encampment's going to look like what is the right response?

>> i think a couple of things that the university should do immediately. one, you have to make it a place that's safe for all students. of all backgrounds, right? and you should be pushing civil constructive discourse that what they've done with allowing for right now with these encampments in front of the library, letting students harass and intimidate other students, literally scream pro hamas statements in front of kids as you just heard, threaten, intimidate others, punch students none of that is acceptable. they've got to keep people who are not students off of the campus, right? it actually create a safe place for students. everybody is always for constructive discourse. it's a university you want debate. that's okay. what they have now is totally please unacceptable. were you kids can't even go to class. they can't study, they can't leave their dorm rooms. i've taught was there this week talking to students? you can't imagine how they feel this is not a place that's welcoming to jewish students are frankly not a place us welcome to a lot of people right now. >> congressmen, ritchie torres, another democratic congressman from new york. he said that just canceling in-person class classes. he called it an

admission of failure by the school. >> do you think that? >> i don't disagree with her. she i mean, in fact, is why are you forcing you're basically saying it's okay. we're not going to have classes, we're going to cancel classes and make you go virtual because we can't provide a safe space for you, for imagine if your parents it's sending your kid there and you're not and you're word for cakes you can leave his or her dorm room that is not an acceptable safe place. and this university, like all universities, especially those who receive federal funding, have a responsibility to protect all students and to make them feel safe. >> it's not just people, it's not just happening on college campuses is not just columbia. it's having a lot of places is not just being watched by you know, people in the united states. and what is happening. >> i just saw that the israel defense minister actually put out a tweet just about an hour ago speaking directly about the protests at on us campuses, saying they are not only as an, they are not only anti-semitic, but they're also inciting terrorism do you i mean, do you

think go certainly anti-semetic, right. >> and when you have an i saw, we've seen examples, you've read bad examples. we've seen video, right? >> we are all some screaming, we're all hamas. others said, this will not just having one more time not happened, not 1,000 more times, but 10,000 more time referring to hamas attack on october 7 the terrorist organization. so the fact that you have people on campus encouraging more terror activity, that's completely and totally unacceptable, but they should discipline these students, right? they should shut these and cabinets down. >> i think that, you. to a place you're starting to think the president of columbia, just as an example, it should resign. i know the republican delegation can from the new york republican delegation has come together to save that. are you there? well, what i've said is it's up to the ultimate for the board of trustees. >> but what's very clear is that time is running out last week, the president was that was before congress saying how she's standing up to anti seven medicaid and to address medic rhetoric and to action. and now this week, it's about action she actually going is it just rhetoric or she going to take steps here to make sure

this anti-emetic activity, and frankly, all hate, again, whether it is on the phobic or antisymmetric doesn't occur on this campus. and what we're seeing now if she's letting it happen. so she's gave herself 48 more hours to fix this. and i think time's up after 48 hours actually linked to this because the people who are protesting, it's basically kind of like a new version of the bds movement. they want, you know, all, to all financial ties with israel to be cut off. the senate just passed the foreign aid bill late last night. and this took months. you were very much involved with trying to get the house to move forward to take up the senate bill. you essentially got that in the end with the addition of the potential tiktok tick tik, tok ban has your opinion of speaker johnson changed in the course of this in what is the final message here? >> well we also got an anti ran legislation to in the end. >> and here's my message at the end of the day, democrats and republicans came together right from the middle. >> more, more reasonable common sense approach versus bending

to extremist. and in the end, we stood by our key ally, israel. we stood by ukraine, which is critical. ukraine's in very deep trouble right now, we've got it and we can not let putin when we stood up to china by supporting taiwan and we were able to get humanitarian aid into the region for gaza, for innocent palestinians being used as human shields by hamas, right? and of course, humanitarian aid around the world. the johnson regret, i was listed at the end. i was surprised at all came together and glad that he actually stood up to extremist. you can't let extremist win, right? you have to let common sense when and get things done. that's been always my approach as co-chair, the problems caucus, we were able to get people together. we're able to figure it out. and that's how we should legislate. you cannot let extremist control our country, right? and frankly, you can't extremist control the world, and that's why democracy at the end of the day has to win. >> yeah, i was gonna say, is what ended up happening in the house and now the senate is basically the mantra of the problem solvers caucus, which exactly get it done just get it done, figured out. you know, you've got to give a little bit and that's really what you

saw happen to the end, people gave a little bit and it got done. >> i know you always say hope springs eternal, but i don't know how, how far this bipartisanship will extend down left come on i'm taking take, take, take it went okay. >> okay. okay. it's good to see you. it's great to connect so much, sir. >> i need a problem-solvers caucus and my house, i josh is available right now, but protest growing outside of the supreme court were justices are about to hear the most significant argument over abortion rights since it overturned roe versus wade are gave coben is right there in the middle of it. >> listen yeah. >> and sarah, we're already seeing clashes between pro-choice and anti-abortion activists will have video of that. and i'll quote sir, live, look at what's happening here outside the supreme court on this critical day i was so excited to buy my first home, but and needed a lot of work

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before all of that, we've already seen really tense clashes between a couple of those anti-abortion activists who came over to this side. were chanting and yelling an immediately surrounded by a large group of people. organizers that looked like from some of the reproductive rights organizations that are organizing this program here and they were yelling back and forth, trying to drown out the anti-abortion activist. sarah really showed how even in the early hours of this morning, there is a lot of tension here between these suicides. we will see what it looks like over the next few hours as the programs and those arguments get underway, they will be getting underway and just a few minutes here. chile and we will be bringing that to you live and special coverage where you can hear the arguments for yourself in front of the supreme court justices gabe cohen, outside of the supreme court were protests are fully in swing now, appreciate your reporting, done

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here yes so once president biden signs this into law, tiktok's parent company, bytedance, has 270 days. that's about nine months before they need to spin off or sell the us version of tiktok. there are some extensions that could be built into this, but the clock is now taking now for years, american officials have cited security concerns over the chinese ownership of this mega popular app with more than 170 million users. and now that talk is actually turning into action. this clock has started. they need to spin off or sell, but it's unlikely that this is going to be off your home screens anytime soon. that's because tiktok has announced that they will be a mounting legal challenges to this to caucus saying this is a clear violation now the first amendment saying this is the beginning, not the end of this long process. now, john, in honor of passover, i have four questions about the future of tiktok. and this possible band. first, we'll, we'll chinese what the china will try and retaliate against american tech companies as a result of this law, what will happen to take

talks algorithm if it is spits been off, it will likely stay in china. the algorithm of course, is so valuable to this app, who would potentially by a tiktok spinoff is going to be very expensive, potentially tens of billions of dollars and where would the users go if tiktok changes most likely the beneficiaries of all this will be meta and instagram and google and youtube. but the key aspect for people to remember in all of this is that this will take time and tiktok will most importantly stay on your phones through the november election. >> so if you have a few billion dollars to spare right now and you're dying to spend some money tiktok, apparently available i'd ask all great to see you. thank you very much. >> and thank you all so much for joining us. this is seeing a new center from cnn's special coverage of the supreme court's oral arguments on this very important abortion case starts next we create factory great visual solutions to perfect your process that's

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sinking of the titanic. >> how would really happen special two, while we're premiere sunday at nine on cnn cnn breaking news good morning. >> you were alive in the cnn news reminds your acosta in washington this morning, reproductive rights are once again in the hands of the supreme court for the second time in as many months, the justices will weigh in on the reality facing some pregnant women and post bro america can states deny an abortion to a woman having a medical emergency such as organ failure or infection case and point idaho's restrictive abortion law. >> right now, one of the few exemptions in that state's abortion ban is when the life of the mother is imminently at stake. >> we expect the supreme court arguments from the government and a lawyer for the state of idaho to begin shortly. we're gonna show that to you live as it's happening. but i first want to go out to cnn's gabe cohen outside the supreme court gabe, obviously a both sides are going to be out in force in

front of the supreme court. what can you tell us? what can you share with us right now jim, luck, that crowd has been very quickly growing. >> i apologize. it's hard to hear you out here. i'm in this sea of abortion rights activists right now. now they we're gathered here, many of them over the past 30, 45 minutes, right outside the supreme court on the other side of all those barricades is going to be anti-abortion russian activists are going to have a program running at the same time as this one right around 10:00 a.m. and look, the program hasn't even gotten underway, and we have already seen some really tense clashes at one point a couple of anti-abortion activist came over to this side. they were chanting, they were yelling, and they were surrounded by abortion rights activists. some of the organizers from these reproductive rights groups trying to drown them out, trying to keep cameras from getting a look at them. there was a lot of tension there, a lot of shouting back and forth. finally, those two activists

did walk away, but it could be telling as to what today brings jim, those arguments not even underway yet, and we're already starting to see tense moments and we do expect a program would speakers to get underway around 10:00 a.m. as well. so we'll see what that looks like in the coming minutes yeah. >> obviously, emotions have not simmer down since roe versus wade was overturned. we're seeing that on display outside the supreme court thank you very much here with me out now to discuss a cnn's paula reid, meg tirrell, and constitutional law professor acain souter, and let me start with you paula, what can you tell us about what we're going to be hearing you think from these these justices as they go over this case. so another incredibly significant case asking the court to help them interpret their decision to overturn roe v. >> wade. and here they're focusing on the state of idaho and the state has an abortion ban that does have an exception. more talking about

medical emergencies that threatened woman's life. >> but the biden administration says that under federal law, you shouldn't have to let it get that far before in the context of medical emergency, professionals, can conduct this procedure. >> they say, look, if you need to perform an abortion to stabilize a patient that is sufficient under federal law? so that's what's at stake here. we do. they need to wait in the state of idaho before someone is in a medical life-threatenin g emergency or can you perform an abortion to stabilize someone that's really at the core here. it's just another big question after they overturned roe. >> yeah. meg, what are the implications for medical professionals? because i mean, this is a huge issue out in idaho. we're also seeing a play yeah. and other states like florida and texas, where hospitals, doctors, nurses, they're afraid to treat women who come into emergency rooms go to their doctor with very serious complications during their pregnancies? >> yeah. and that's a huge problem. it's this gap between what the law in idaho says, which is you can intervene to save the life of the pregnant

person. but then if somebody has a medical emergency that is not immediately life-threatenin g, the doctors, there don't feel safe to treat them. so you have situations like severe pre-eclampsia or hemorrhaging are premature water breaking. these are situations where if you're to certain stage of pregnancy, you can't deliver that baby if it's too early but you need to save the life of the pregnant person or need to preserve the health of the pregnant person because it can affect future fertility or their organs. it can have all kinds of health consequences where they're not on the brink of death. but that's what doctors are saying is really challenging for their care with this, mother wants to preserve her ability to i have a pregnancy later on and so on. and sania tell talk about this idaho law a little bit. if forbids abortions in a medical emergency it does say you can save the life of the mother, but i mean, we're already seeing in idaho other places where doctors are saying, you know what? i don't want to do practice i want to move my practice to another the state because of this restri