trying to figure out what did his lawyer tell him that because if he's complying with his lawyers interpretation, then maybe the wrong person is my target. and so is todd blanche trying to it take fire away from his client? i don't know. but it is definitely a situation that i wouldn't want to be in. >> i mean, i look at this and i think the only real legitimate defense, as i see it too, this is to something that won't work with this judges to attack the breadth of the order itself. and i think that there is an argument to be made there, but it's not going to work until you get up on an appeal. >> yeah. real quick. four, let you go. david pecker was on stand for two-and-a-half hours yesterday. we'll be back on the sanne. he's expected to be on thursday after everything you saw from david pecker in from the line of questioning from prosecutors, what do you think what do you think he

needs to do or they want him to do, come thursday, how much damage do you think he's going to do? he's telling a very interesting and compelling story, but everything he's told so far, while certainly immoral, while certainly dishonest is not illegal. >> here, he's talking about things that are unfortunately legal. they are unfortunately part of campaigns. the idea that people would pay money to create false information to make their opponent look bad. other campaigns have done that. the steele dossier is a good example of that with the so-called trump p tape and everything else. so it is the unfortunate reality, what they need to do is then tie that to the false business records and i don't think that they're going to be able to do that with this witness. i think he's he's doing a very good job of setting the scene and giving all the background and he's going to be able to corroborate a lot of what michael cohen said, but it's

not going to get to the ultimate issue we are at the very beginning of prosecutors laying out their case. >> and you still also hasn't yet had the event stick them up, does give him questions either, so we will see it all, tim, it's good to see you. thank you very much. i knew our cnn news central starts now a major abortion case at the supreme court this morning can state abortion bans, keep women from getting emergency care and we are standing by if we're a judge's decision on whether donald trump violated the gag order in the new york criminal case he could be held in contempt at any moment and a controversial bill that would hello, teachers and tennessee to carry concealed guns at school. >> it is now headed to the governor's desk i'm john berman with sara sidner and kate bolduan. this is cnn news central all right. what you're

looking at here is washington, dc, a live look at the us supreme court right now, we're very soon oral arguments will begin in one of the biggest abortion cases since it's roe versus wade was overturned, the justices are gonna be our wang, a case brought by the biden administration against the state of idaho. the key question here is how far can state abortion bans go when it comes to a woman suffering a medical emergency the eventual decision here could very well set an important precedent for all of the states now, pushing restrictive abortion bans. now that row is no longer in place. >> cnn's joan biskupic, she has much more from us, from washington outside of the supreme court, joan the eye, it seems that the state of idaho, the argument they're making him pushing back against the biden administration's case here is that they say that the biden administration is essentially crying wolf when it comes to their restrictive abortion ban. but what is at stake here so much is at stake

here, kate, and you can see that we're right back where we were essentially two years ago when the supreme court reversed nearly a half-century of abortion rights and trigger this political, legal and social fallout shortly after the supreme court announced that decision in the case known as dobbs, attorney general merrick garland came forward and said, there is a federal law that can protect women who are emergency situations from complications of pregnancy, who go to emergency rooms and we're death is not imminent as would be the case for the one exception in idaho where death is not imminent, but there are all sorts of other life threatening conditions, health threatening conditions that need to be addressed in that emergency situation. >> and that's what the government is trying to keep in place here. and what idaho is saying is that no, the federal government cannot displace

state laws at want to nearly ban all abortions and today, right at 10:00 eastern time, people are already lining up to here this in two hours. we'll hear from the state of idaho trying to defend its ban and saying that the law cannot be displaced, that no woman and idaho should be able to get an abortion in less her life is truly threatened defending the state will be joshua turner, a constitutional litigator. i saying essentially what you said is that there's no reason for the federal government to come in and control the law in state emergency rooms on the other side will be elizabeth prelogar, the solicitor general of the united states, saying no, this federal law preempts state, state bands in certain situations. this is a narrow kind of health situation where a woman might have a ruptured membrane might be at risk for organ failure but as i said, not be completely on death's door. and what the government is saying is that this law that

traces to 1986, that was essentially designed to prevent patient dumping in emergency rooms would require physicians to try to care for women and if required, help her terminate a pregnancy okay all right. or arguments set to begin just a couple hours. jonah's there. thank you very much, sarah. >> all right. >> with me now, is the president of the center for reproductive rights, nancy northrop, to continue this discussion. thank you so much for coming in this morning for us. >> so i want to start with this. >> if the justices decide that the state law stands over what the federal law says, what will the consequences be in your mind well, what we are talking about here is something so basic, which is your right and ability to get emergency health care when you show up in an emergency room and you're pregnant and something has gone terribly wrong we know what the consequences are, because we're seeing it already.

>> the set of reproductive rights is brought lawsuits against texas with their extreme bands and idaho and tennessee and talk to so many more women across the nation are already suffering. they're going to emergency rooms they are the doctors there are afraid to give them the emergency health care they need, which can be abortion when it's indicated and so what we will see is more of what we have now what the biden administration has said is that federal law requiring emergency care also applies to you when you're pregnant is there any other federal law on the books that protect abortion rights or is this sort of a singular singular law in and of itself? >> and if it goes away, or just trumped by state law, what does that mean? >> right? well, this is a general law about emergency care and the biden ministration saying that applies to pregnant women when their life is threatened in an emergency.

there isn't a general law. we need to have federal regulation of abortion rights, of federal guarantee of a abortion rights. such a law is passed the house twice. so a lot of support in the senate, we need that to happen because it's state after state after state. >> we filed a brief pointing this out to the supreme court women are suffering because they cannot get emergency care when they are pregnant. is there a particular the killer patient's case that stands out to you to illustrate the impact. this may have well, there are many cases and again, we outlined them are brief, but we think about amanda's arou ski, who is the lead plaintiff and the challenge to texas. >> amanda had a much pregnancy into her 17th week. >> her water broke, she lost all her amniotic fluid. >> this is something that is 17 week fetus cannot survive and yet she was turned back from the hospital.

>> they were afraid to give her an abortion because texas, among other things, has a 99 year prison sentence for reading abortion. >> and so she was sent home. she was sent home to suffer until she in fact gotten affection. she got sepsis and she was in the intensive care unit for three days fighting for her life this is what happens when doctors are afraid legitimately of criminal laws on abortion. and that is why it is so important that the supreme court say yes. the biden administration is right when you shop in an er and you are pregnant and you're in a health crisis you deserve emergency care. >> how we'll talk was decide when you're talking about physicians being afraid to perform abortions when it could save the life of the mother. how will they decide it's time to take immediate action? externa and what is the potential chilling effect here well, if the supreme court

upholds the biden administration's policy that this federal law that emergency care applies to pregnant women, then the doctors will know, i'm protected by federal law that law overrides the state abortion ban. >> and i can use my best medical judgment to give my patient right in front of me. they care that she needs. that's how they'll know without this protection. >> a federal law for emergencies, they don't know and it is just been impossible for them to make the decision to risk their lives in prison to provide the care of the patients that they need. >> it is just unacceptable. >> 19 nancy northrop, i know you'll be watching as these arguments are played. we are playing them live in just a couple of hours here from the supreme court. and maybe we'll get back to you as soon as we get some sort of decision. from them, how long that takes. appreciate you coming on this morning. appreciate it. john so it's time running out for

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moment at the white house. >> president biden will sign the long awaited aid package for ukraine, israel, and taiwan into law. after months of delay and debate in the house, the senate finally passed a $95 billion package overnight. now, when the bill is signed, it also starts the clock for tiktoks, china-based parent company. they're gonna have nine months to sell or have the app kicked off us app stores let's get right to cnn, congressional correspondent lauren fox. this really is a big moment i mean, four months, the idea of aid to ukraine and israel has consumed congress and now it's finally happening yeah i mean, this is a monumental moment and it does leaders ability to wk l gether foronths behind the scenes, majority lder chuck schume mority leader mitch mcconnell, they were realla united front as speaker, mike johnn was grappling with whether or not he could put this bill ll or any ukraine aid package on the floor of the

house. >> ultimately, he made the decision that he was going to move forward despite the threats against his job. and i will say i talked to a number of republican senators yesterday who were supportive of this package. and we're applauding speaker johnson arguing that this was a really brave move that this way there's a move that showed that he was growing as the leader, but it's also a testament to the fact that schumeand connell bend the sceneswe'reontinual havingonversationsrying to figu out a way forward, trying to figure out the best package possible, and ultimately, what they pass last night, despite the fact there are some changes from the original senate bill, it really largely reflected the bill that was passed in february. there were additional republican votes that they were able to get some republicans view donald trump's comments is not really against this package. instead, saying that they felt like there was room to vote yes. on this package? obviously, we have talked repeatedly in the past about

donald trump's trump's grasp over the republican party in the senate. but this was a huge moment for lawmakers and really a huge moment to show what can happen when lawmakers work together across the aisle, bipartisanship, it's quite a thing when it works, the junta tiktok and up in the final package yeah. >> i mean, if you remember, the house had already passed their own version of a tiktok ban. what happened however, is there were some discussions and the senate about whether or not the time that bytedance the chinese parent company bytedance, would have to divest tiktok, whether that time frame should be longer. so there is an additional runway for the time that they have to sell off this company. otherwise, it will be unavailable on us apps. now, i will say that this was an interesting vote for lawmakers. if you think about the senate, it's an older body. lawmakers were really grappling with what to do here. and it's in a funny i talked to senator mike rounds about this and he said his granddaughter was actually

texting him a couple of weeks ago when the house passed this asking her grandfather, are you going to vote for that and trying to figure out what he was going to do and ultimately senators decided that this was the right step. obviously the president's expected to sign this bill today, but it will be we really interesting to see what unfolds in the months ahead. >> absolutely no clock is ticking. i mean, there could be more maneuvering here to be sure. lauren fox great to see you. thank you very much for that, sir. all right. thank you, john. >> we are seeing of the war come home division exploding over the war in israel college campuses this week, how is it impacting the support politically? >> president joe biden what's more frightening than those robot dog? how about one? >> with a flame thrower? >> that's, that's really a thing riyad say's new album is

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tomorrow when court resumes, the judge has to understand time is of the essence here, and frankly, we've seen donald trump re, re, re-offend almost on every six, eight hours or so. >> so i think he's got to do something here. i expect to see the following. i do think the judge is going to find that most or all of the 11 violations alleged by the de war, in fact violations of the gag order. i expect to see the judge imposed the maximum fine under law, which is only $1,000 per violation. i do not expect to see the judge in prison, donald trump, but i also think it could happened that the judge will either expand the gag order or clarify certain pieces of it that maybe have some ambiguity and you're talking about re-offending. >> i mean, trump then did an interview, then has this new interview going after michael cohen? again, this is what cnn affiliate, wpvi, the interview was conducted before the contempt hearing yesterday, but it aired afterward. and tim parlatore told me last hour that he thinks the only thing helping trump with this one,

this re-offending is maybe that trump did the interview before he sat before the judge yesterday. do you agree that's a good job by tim, i guess come up with something but it was a violation of the gag order before the day started and after the hearing as well i mean, this whole defense that we heard from todd blanche of well, he doesn't think that the gag orders fair or he's just defending himself. >> that's fine. but it's still an order of the court. you don't get to violate it because well, i thought it was necessary to violate it or well, i felt the need to violate it. none of that's going to fly to me, so i think tim's right, i guess that's the best argument donald trump could have about why it was not as flagrant, maybe as it would have been if he had done it after the hearing, but either way, i think this will probably be added to the list of violations. >> and you mentioned that you don't think that the judge is going to tell donald trump now has to be putting customary behind bars because of this. but john miller, cnn's john miller has some new reporting about the what-if of it all if

the judge would here or eventually ordered trump to be in custody for violating the gag order. how does it work considering the donald trump is secret service with him at all times, miller reports that the secret service court officers and the new york city corrections department officials have already been quietly discussing this and trying to find a solution. what do you think think of it yeah, it makes sense that they're thinking about that, kate, i mean, what the secret service does is they dealing contingencies? >> what ifs? i do think there's no way donald trump gets locked up based on his first batch of violations. but you do have to think ahead. i mean, what if donald trump continues to violate, what if the judge continues to reprimand him, continues to find him, and what if this happens? 456 times. so it's possible there could come a moment where this is a reality. i think it's the right thing for the secret service to think about those possibilities. they certainly plan for more remote possibilities than this. but i don't think it's on the horizon immediately as we sit here now and also kind of speaks to it really does speak to the unprecedented nature of

all of it, right? that there could be a defendant who may need to be reprimanded to custody, but that defendant also needs to have access to the secret service in case of an emergency, it's all just a lot. it's good to see you la let's see what happens tomorrow. >> thanks, sarah ben, description ever it's a lot. all right. how airlines may soon have to do more to make you happy if you're flight ends up getting delayed. also, millions of medicare patients are now gaining access to a widely, wildly popular drug that helps with weight loss. >> that's ahead. >> live from the nation's capital, one of the most unforgettable nights in dc. >> there's wonderful read back here. >> president biden and comedian collin joseph headline the white house correspondents dinner live saturday at seven eastern on cnn if you're living with however, to severe plaque psoriasis for active psoriatic

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are expected outside the supreme court this morning as the justices are about to hear arguments in an abortion case, bortion case with national implications. >> this is based on the state ban in idaho and it marks the first time the supreme court is considering a state bans since it overturned roe versus wade nearly two years ago, cnn's gabe cohen is live outside the supreme court for us this morning ahead of the oral arguments, gabe, what do you say? and so far okay other than loud music that just started playing, it has been a pretty quiet morning here outside the supreme court. >> if we walk over here, you can see some of the folks with different reproductive rights organizations that are starting to gather. they're gonna be holding a program and a couple of protest starting here in the next hour or so, they'll it'll

really get going around 10:00 a.m. as arguments are being heard inside that building beyond beyond these barricades. if you look at those speakers, those are the anti-abortion groups that are going to be holding their own dueling rally really at the same time as all of this is unfolding. >> hey, it'll be interesting to see kate, how big of a crowd gathers here. >> of course, we're almost two years to today since the dobbs decision leaked that night, i was ouide this building. i remember oside the supreme court, there w a feeling that everything was about to change as as you note, this is one of the first major abortion cases two now reach this pri courts since then. and so we expect in the next hour or so the's dianne here. they're going to have 15 people laying on the ground representing a pregnant women those 15 states that have these very restrictive abortion laws including idaho, which has at t center of this case k will bring updates you throughout the morni on how large this protest is as it really gets underway, literally actorshat it past is

prologue, it will be loud. there will be a lot of people and it's going to be definitely picking up there where you are standing right now is likely to be a crush of people very soon and it's good to see you again. thank you very much for covering that for us sarah. >> all right. if the ongoing protest at columbia and universities across the nation tell us anything it's that young people intensely care about the ongoing war in israel and gaza. >> those young people are also voters in some cases, and it begs the question, how is the war in the middle east going to impact the election? right here in america, come november, cnn senior data analyst harry enten is here with the numbers so how much is this the potential youth vote changed? because of the israel-hamas war? and i'm assuming that it is joe biden who they're going after. >> yeah. yes. sorry. this is one of those cases where i feel like the conventional wisdom has got ahead of what the actual numbers are for telling us. so you go back young voters

biden versus trump march. you look at the final 2020 pulse. you saw biden won these voters by 29 points. you look at the last month, 2024 polls. you see there are only favoring biden by about five percentage points. you go my goodness, gracious. 29 to five. >> that's a huge shift. gaza and israel has made a major get your impact on the election. here's the thing. young voters were beginning to turn on joe biden before any of this conflict of the recent conflict in the middle east started anyway. so the pre israel-hamas war numbers, if you look in 2024 polls, why he was only favorite by 11 points. so we already saw an 18 point shift away from him yes, there has been a little bit of a degradation patient in his numbers, but the fact of the matter is most of the shift away from biden was already happening before the recent war started on october 7. >> so how has this war affected voters overall, not just the young vote, but just overarching, right? >> we've been focusing in so much on young voters and these us campus protests, of course, keep in mind they're not that large percentage of the electorate which we'll get to in a second. let all voters,

the biden versus trump margin pre the israel-hamas war. look at this, we had a ti we had a tie which of course is the worse position than joe bin s four years ago wn heon thelecon by 4.5 pots, but it was alrea a tie looat also a tieso the fact is we ve not seen that type of ship that we woulbe expecting. and sara, i will just note we're talkabout these student voters, the share of the adult citizen population, university or college sdents make up. >> it's only six to 8% since sarah, it's not a large chunk. and if you'll look thathose that areurrently at private school like columbia, nyu, that onlyne to 2% ever very small portion of ts populaon, yeah, it's ite stark thg at people see these protests and they are all over the cotry but the, percentage of voters when it comes to politicsa very different thing, a very, verdifferent overall are 15% of all voters. there are a lot of people who are young voters who are not really on these campuses. >> and it is could be a very, very tight race. >> so there is a possibility

everything, everything does matter, sir, that everything matter. there you go. that is the last thing i'm going to hear from you. i love that. thank you here. thank you. appreciate it. >> all right. well, this now republicans strategies, joseph, opinion and democratic strategist as basil michael so while you were all sleep there were elections, primaries in the state, i should say the commonwealth of pennsylvania, and i want to show the results of the republican primary. there. donald trump at 3% in then remember her, nikki haley 16% she hasn't been running for months vessel in this was a closed primary. this is republicans only. she still pulling 16%. what does that tell you? >> well, it tells me that democrats actually have a bit of a lane here for right? because they are going state to state looking at areas where haley has done well and figure that in terms of this democratic coalition or this electoral coalition, maybe just

for this election that those voters are available to joe biden now, it is important to note that just that a vote for nikki haley doesn't necessarily mean a vote for joe biden, but that's where the money advantage in these campaigns comes in handy because joe biden and the campaign can find a way to talk to these voters over time and at least again even if it's just for this election, be able to pull the lever for joe over, over donald trump. >> and joe, it's 155,000 votes that nikki haley got in pennsylvania joe biden only beat donald trump by 80,000 votes in 2020. this is a significant number of republicans. again, this is a closed primary what does it tell you? there are still these republicans issuing this protest against donald trump i. >> look, as long as we're going to have primaries and as long as we're going to have those, that process occur with integrity, people are going to vote their conscience. i do not believe the majority of people voting for nikki haley plan on voting for joe biden. in fact, i do not suspect indicate haley

herself would be voting for joe biden. so let's just be very clear. we have a democratic party that canceled the granite states wine tasting place amongst the electorate. they basically told the voters of florida their vote was not welcomed. everywhere you look, you have republican party that in spite of the fact that donald trump is the standard bearer, continues to allow the democratic process to play out while democrats have not done the same. >> all right, i want to put a picture up on the screen so people can see what took place yesterday on the left, you see donald trump's speaking in-between sessions in the new york criminal case against him on the right, you see president biden in florida talking about abortion. so joe, there's a finite number of days left until the november election. every day there's a picture like this, the split-screen like this who wins that campaign? de joe look, i think joe biden wants to have all the questions should be about

abortion. >> certainly republicans are going to get asked about abortion every single day, but rarely will the answer be about that subject matter? if you look specifically about president trump, the hard truth is that when he becomes the 47th president of these united states, it will likely be because of people that voted against him the first time voted against him the second time. and are disgusted by what is happening during this electoral process with him being dragged from courtroom, the courtroom. so certainly there are cases that have merits. no person is beneath the law, but i think many americans, even those who have not previously supported president trump, are disgusted by what has become of this political process. >> we haven't seen evidence yet that there is a protest vote among a general election electorate for the court cases against trump, maybe in republican primaries. but basel, i guess my question is the biden reelect campaign, how do you think they're utilizing this time? that is provided to them? >> well, the split screen is very important, right? because i understand joe's point. i disagree in the sense that that's split-screen is about

accountability on one hand, you have donald trump being going accord, having to defend themselves against charges that are significant. and this is just one of several cases on the other hand, you have joe biden saying, hey, let's talk about not only presidential accountability, but the abrogation, the restrictions of your rights. that's why he's in florida. that's why he's been in pennsylvania and all of these issues that are being pushed to the state is just a reminder that donald trump and republicans have said, yeah, let's push everything to the state. but what do you get when you when that happens, you get the he's very draconian laws. so reproductive rights is very important and we know that it's important because republicans had taken it down from their website. they're not talking about it anymore and has shifted to other other areas. so it's still a mobilizing issue. i think for joe biden, it's still something that not only he but you're also seeing kamala harris go into states to talk more about and you'll see that continue throughout the cycle. >> so joe asieh has got an interesting story at this morning exclusive trump

brothers emerge as loyalties czars donald trump junior and eric trump has become key players in the early planning for a second trump administration is transition team and would focus on vetting potential officials and staffers for ideology and loyalty you good with that. don junior and eric piccolo people would be in the cabinet i don't think they're going to pick, but certainly they're going to have a role. >> india administration's similar to perhaps whatever informal role that they had previously. i think there's this quasi bizarre notion where you can have somebody like chuck schumer and the president joe biden, or refused to have preemptive sanctions for war in ukraine to prevent russia from invading. and somehow they have not laid worms and you bring because if democrats, it's just politics. but every time the republican party gets together and does something that is an alignment with supporting president trump, then somehow all of a sudden it becomes caught like behavior. >> we just have to have a real conversation about the fact

that tabassum's point, yes reproductive rights going to be important. >> but most people who are pro-life in this country do not want women before the week, six weeks being prevented from having the borse and most people who are pro-choice do not want people after five months having abortions. that is a real conversation. it does not use women as a pin yada, and weaponize the womb. so views are the real issues, the border that we're not talking about, the economy that's not working for people on main street. the fact that we just sent billions to ukraine while we've got people in new york city in public housing, $80 billion by hi and on critical repairs that is the neglect on main street that this lecture will be decided upon, not whether or not people like the input of donald trump jr. and eric trump. >> all right. but what you'll see your opinion does cycle great to have both you here and i thank you so much. >> thanks for grade school students in tennessee are demanding the governor's stop a new law in its tracks before teachers are allowed to carry concealed handguns in schools, would you prefer cash over a

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about who gets to say, who gets to do country music? and what it is a new documentary from cnn's flashed docs unit called me country beyond, say and nashville's renaissance examines this reckoning and the genre and the historical roots of country music my banjo being on a world recognized song is just kinda blowing my mind that banjo represents hundreds of years of our history, whether people know it or not banjo is an instrument and by people of african diaspora in the caribbean, enslaved people brought versions of the banjo to the united states over on the ship's and then it makes its way up with them to north america and becomes essential part of black life and there's loads of white people playing music to it took the scottish, the african native american

people to come together i'm going to borrow this and i'm going to borrow this. >> i'm going to borrow this. >> and like it's like gumbo new flash.com country here now to discuss as author, music journalist, and tv personality with the green you torre. thank you so much for being here. we've got to see a little bit of how beyonce had sort of embraced all these other artists who are on this album. she moves into this country mode as i like to say what do you think motivated this move well, it seems if we just read what she's said on instagram and the she was very offended when she went to the cma is the country music awards and was not welcomed. >> and you can see people in the crowd not shearing. she was not welcomed as if country is this gated community that black people cannot enter. and part of what she's saying with this album is that we are part of the current world of country we saw rionda giddens in that clip? other artists are all over this album, but also we

are part of the history of country now, black americans have founded every major musical genre. but of course country the banjo was an instrument that only we played for part of american history so beyonce is reclaiming country for us and saying we belong here. i'm from houston. i can make this music. it's part of my childhood but this album is brilliant because it spans genres. so she's talking about genre, in particular, there's also hip hop on here. there's also rock on here. there's pop music. so there's all sorts of things happened. we get a little surfer right? little beach boys reference tina turner. so there's all sorts of things here. so she's saying i can play in the country space also so in all these other spaces, ambiance, i can do anything. >> it's interesting because it is a mishmash. there's a lot of different things in there where she's trying different sort of putting different music together and gnashing music. it's really interesting that she says, look, this is not a country album, this is a yawn say album. it's true as you, as you listen through it, do you

think that because she has stepped in this place and because it has done so well on the charts that this really opened the door once again for black artists and artists of different genres to step into this space. now of country, she's in her beautiful way. she has shined a light on people who already live in this country space from linda martell, the first black country artists to chart, to vocally, we talked about rionda get ins and tambora. so there's people current people who i and others are like, oh, i didn't know about her. i didn't know about him. let me check them out. some of those fans will stick around and become long-term fans of those people. so being b. say comes in, she doesn't just say, look at me. she says, look at the other people who already live here. >> it's a really good point. i've been listening to this. the young lady named tanner, who's things buckle bunny, and she's also on the album. and i love it because these are very young artist who said that they weren't getting thing notice as much. and now they're off to the races i think part of why you love certain music is

because the associations that you have with it, it relates you to the people who lead in that space and i think i can be honest that at times in my life, i have felt uncomfortable listening to country music because it reminded me of things that black people don't want to be reminded of beyonce takes me there in a beyond say way and i'm like, yes. >> okay. i can i can deal with this. i like this sound so when she's made it palatable for me and for a lot of other people. >> it's really interesting torre. we will watch this flash doc together, but that's my prediction. good. >> cnn flash doc presents, call me country coming to max this friday, april 26. thank you so much for being here. tori thank you, john. >> i love that discussion. >> all right. just in new rules that will change how quickly you will get your money back if your flight is delayed airlines will now have to pay you back in cash for delays more than three hours. secretary of transportation pete buttigieg spoke to us just a short time ago. >> this is about also making sure it's less likely to happen to you in the first

place when an airline knows that anybody on a flight that's going to get canceled is going to get their money back. it gives them more of a reason to make the investments and the realistic schedules, the prevent that from happening to you in the first place and there are all kinds of new rules about fees as well with us, cnn, transportation correspondent, pete muntean. >> this is a ping deal for people who fly be is it new rule was really born out of the pandemic, john and the number of passenger complaints to the department of transportation really soared then nine in ten of those complaints were over refunds because the issue is so many passengers got an airline credit or miles instead of cash. >> this new rule formalizes that if your flight is delayed, you get your money back bags arrived super light money-back wi-fi doesn't work. you also get the money back. these are the conditions in which a flight has to be delayed or canceled to get your money back. if the flight is canceled, you get the cash also so if there's a three-hour

delay for a domestic flight is six hour delay for an international flight one, the cause of the delay was the airline's fault. so that excludes things like weather for bags. if your bank is arrived more than 12 hours late on a domestic flight, 15, 30 hours on an international flight, hit your checked bag fee back this happens without a request automatically under this new rule, you'd get that money back within 20 days and it would be cash and not credits. now, the department of transportation says that these refund rules go into effect in october, so not in time for summer travel, but in time for holiday travel when there's so many cancellation patients and delays also today, the department of transportation's announcing new rules that make it so that airlines will say upfront the total cost of your trip that includes bag fees. and change fees. jian a lot of pressure from the biden administration here on airlines and again, cash not credits, which matters because if you miss your appointment because of an airline, you don't want

a credit for another flight on that airline right away, you want your cash back penile. >> so interesting, you've got some new reporting on allegations of retaliation by boeing. what exactly is going on here? >> well, this allegation is from the union that represents boeing engineers to engineers are represented by the society of professional engineers of aerospace. they make this allegation that they were pressured to continue work on the triple seven and the 787, the company insisted that they are sorry, workers insisted that the company re-evaluate prior engineering work on the 787 and 787 to account for a new advisory from the faa. but the engineer's allege that there were pressured to continue by boeing. now, boeing says it has zero tolerance for retaliation regardless. another blank guy for boeing, as more whistleblowers come forward about problems on the seven, there was a new allegation just last week. another black guy after the 7307 max-9 door plug blow out of january 5, boeing

is really taking it pretty hard here. john all right. pete muntean. thank you so much for your reporting. as always in tennessee and headed to the governor's desk is a whole lot of controversy right now. this is after the tennessee state legislature just passed bill allowing teachers to carry concealed handguns on school grounds protesters took to the state capital over this some chanting blood on your hands at republican lawmakers. if the governor signs the bill into law, it would be the biggest expansion of gun acts since last year's deadly shooting at an elementary school in nashville, six people were killed. cnn's nick valencia is tracking all of this for us and joins us now, nick, have you heard anything from the republican governor about this yet? >> yeah, we did reach out to bill lee, but he's not gotten back to us, but it's clear, kate, that the republican led legislature in tennessee believes that the remedy for school shootings is to put more guns on campuses and to arm teachers. the bills, cosponsors says that there's a lot of misinformation about this legislation principally, that it's