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violated his gag order. are reporters and experts are standing by to break down all of today's most important developments and look ahead to what's next. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world i'm wolf blitzer with a special report in the situation room the trump trial today in our trial coverage tonight, former national enquirer executive, david pecker, details his efforts to quote, catch and kill negative stories about donald trump with the express goal of helping trump's first presidential campaign. the testimony getting to the heart of the prosecution's argument that trump illegally aspired to influence the 2016 election. cnn's kara scannell has all the breaking news from inside the courtroom explosive witness

testimony from a tablet executive and former president donald trump's hush money trial on tuesday x national enquirer publisher david pecker, described acting as the eyes and ears of trump's 2016 campaign, notifying trump's attorney, michael cohen about any negative stories to help get them killed in the lead up to the election. >> pecker is a key player involved in the crux of the prosecution's case, an alleged scheme to pay off adult film star stormy daniels to cover up her alleged affair with trump to influence the 2016 election. questioning centered on an august 2015 meeting between pecker, cohen and trump, where the alleged conspiracy heresy was hatched. pecker who ran the national enquirer, testified that at the meeting, i said what i would do is i would run or publish positive stories about mr. trump and i would publish negative stories about his opponents. he additionally offered if i hear anything negative about yourself or if i hear anything about women selling stories, i would know notify michael cohen as i did over the last several years.

and michael cohen, then he would be able to have them killed in another magazine or have them not published, or somebody would have to purchase them trump's stared at pecker as he described, the 25-minute meeting, but he did not react. pecker said after the meeting he told the enquirer's editor in chief about the mutually beneficial agreement. he said, we're going to try to help the campaign and to do that, i want to keep this as quiet as possible. joshua steinglass, then asked pecker about a specific catch-and-kill incident where a negative trump's story was bought and buried. pecker testified he found trump's doorman was selling a story that he fathered a child with someone other than his wife, and he immediately alerted cohen pecker said his colleague negotiated a purchase. the story for $30,000. and when he called cohen to tell them, cohen responded, the boss would be very pleased. even though the allegation was disproven. he testified i made the decision to purchase the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign. and mr. trump

steinglass also asked pecker about another catch and kill scheme, buying former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged year long relationship with trump. pecker described a phone call he had with trump after his colleague interviewed mcdougal, pecker said, i told him, i think you should buy it and trump responded saying, anytime he do anything like this, it always gets out. he said he would think about it and pecker would hear from cohen, trump denies having an affair with mcdougal, the morning started with a contentious hearing to determine if trump violated a gag order, not to talk about jurors or witnesses after he did so in social media posts, almost a dozen times which to me is totally constitutional. >> trump's lawyer, todd blanche said the order was not clear about reposts and he tried to argue that the former president was actually trying to comply with the order judge juan merchan exasperated with blanche's argument, scolded him and said, you're losing all credibility with the court

now, the judge has not ruled yet on whether donald trump violated the gag order in this case, there's no court tomorrow, but court is back in session on thursday. david pecker will be back on the witness stand and he is expected to continue to testify about this pattern of hush money payments, including the $130,000 payment made to stormy daniels but the center of this case, wolf jurors canal outside the courthouse in new york. thank you very much. that 2015 meeting involving donald trump, michael cohen, and david pecker is certainly central to the prosecution's case against trump. and it's a claim of a criminal conspiracy cnn legal analyst joey jackson is taking a closer look, force. joey, let's dive into the so-called agreement among friends that were they called it an agreement among friends that david pecker testified about yeah. >> without question, wolf. and so looking at this, we're looking at the prosecution's case. remember, the theory and you noted it conspiracy and

cover up. let's take you into what that looks like. this is the august 2015 meeting and for conspiracy not that that's what's charge, but that's the essence of the claim that donald trump as the ringleader of this conspiracy of these people to bring together this election interference leading to the fraud and leading to the intent. now, what do we have here at the meeting? well, what we have is we have packer, we have tropic, we have michael cohen. these are the participants, catch and kill is born why? because the intention with respect to what they're going to do, they're going to catch these stories by paying for them. they're going to kill them by suppressing them. they own the rights. and as a result of that, they could get rid of the story. but when it comes to favorable things for the president, that's something not then president person running for president. that's something that they would otherwise do. now. so take a look at that. those are the principal participants, michael cohen being the middle person. let's go and let's take a look at the state of mine. now, this is significant wealth because this is specific

testimony today. why is this relevant? let's start here. when we're looking, we're looking at is the issue of the presidential campaign. the concern about women, the national enquirer. so what does he say in court today in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a lot of women who would come to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known as the most eligible bachelor and dated the most beautiful women. and it was clear that based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call up a magazine like the national enquirer era, to try to sell their stories very important with respect to intent, state of mind, and the issue of election interference. wolf and joey, david pecker testified about michael cohen's role in that so-called agreement. >> how did that translate into what tabloids actually published? >> yes. so that's very critical. let's take a look at that. so now when we look at this, again, taking you into these specific testimony, this

is pecker's testimony. michael cohen, again a central figure. we're going to take a look at that negative articles, right? and about embellishments. so here's how it played testimony directly from pecker in court today, michael cohen would call me and say we would like you to run a negative article on a certain, let's say, for argument's sake on, and these are the enemies right? at the particular time, ted cruz, right? michael cohen, then would send information about ted cruz or ben carson marco rubio& that was the basis for our story. and then we would embellish from that last point, that is, you have the positive stories as it relates to trump, right? trump taking charge there. you have the negative story. ted cruz, father link to jfk assassination. that's the basins, the essence of it and that's testimony that we heard today. >> it versus the guard, joey jackson. thanks very much. let's break all of this down with our legal and political experts and can't pull anse you've been doing excellent

reporting on all of this explain why prosecutors spent so much time establishing how catch and kill that theory of catch and kill worked in coordination with michael cohen, the former president's fixer and lawyer? >> yeah. will this charts the ark of what leads to trump allegedly falsifying these dozens of business records, his checks to michael cohen, and what david pecker is doing on this stand yesterday and today is he's laying out the scheme, the catch and kill scheme. he's also establishing the network around trump. it's not just that he's in the room with trump having conversations with him. there's also michael cohen in that network and others in the political fear from trump's campaign at the time. and then he's underlining the motivation. he says over and over again on the stand today to that jury, that he wanted to protect the campaign and donald trump from embarrassment from these stories coming out. >> so he's putting those pieces together.

>> they're going to work as building blocks as the trial goes on where other witnesses will illuminate different aspects. >> he also had a very important point that he made on the stand that it was donald trump himself and pecker witness this, who would review invoices and sign his checks when they were brought to him by an assistant, another building block. >> we're very likely to be hearing about that again, with other witnesses was pick will be hearing more and more about that. ankush khardori a former federal prosecutor, i want to read a key exchange from today prosecutors asked pecker this and i'm quoting now, prior to the august 2015 meeting, had you ever purchased a story to not print it about mr. trump? pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan

here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout this trial. it's not actually the crux of the criminal case. the crux of the criminal case concerns how and why stormy daniels was paid through michael cohen. that's gonna be the main event for the jurors. with this is all crucial context with the jury's to understand all of everything that leads as three microbreweries with us as well. a former us attorney, michael, let's talk a little bit about pecker's testimony. he said trump was quote, frugal in his approach to money. frugal, a direct quote personally reviewing all expenses. what is the significance of that? >> yeah. well, i'm glad to be with you. we expect that there's going to be a tape coming out with michael cohen where he taped trump at some point and there's some allegations or at least some statements in the tape at the appears that trump is relying on what weisselberg and cohen we're doing and saying, look, i don't really know, just tell me what to do. what's the amount of money they may be getting ready to refute some of that bass and now he's actually very much in control of his

business. he's very much in control of his finances. he's not somebody who just signs off on a check or an invoice that somebody places in front of him and so my guess is that the prosecutors trying to prepare for that witnesses today, we're like, what trial is like a book and the witnesses today, we're like blank pages if they're sticking into the book and throughout the trial, that will be filling in these bits and pieces. the chapter by chapter in one of the chapters i think is going to be released from the defense. trump really wasn't the man in charge is michael cohen, as we saw, even from some of the things in the clips we looked at earlier let me ask, you know, trump. well, you were his campaign press secretary. you understand where he's coming from? were all right. now, awaiting the judge's decision did trump violate the gag order that had been imposed that if he did, let's get to be the penalty and as i say, you know, trump well, do you think no matter what the penalty will be, whether it's a few thousand dollars or something else, you think trump is going to honor that. >> it's going to be hard to imagine that he we'll honor it. i mean, look, he's already violated it more than a dozen

times, i believe. & right now, i believe the fine if they do end up finding him is 1,000 some dollars. that's like some change each time for each violation. exactly. and that's like chump change to him. and so until i think there's an actual threat of maybe jail time, i believe it could be 30 days in jail is what could happen if they decided to escalate it. i don't know if i foresee the judge going as far as that, but at the same time how do you keep donald trump in check? because he's complaining that he's totally gagged and it's ironic because he's complaining about it while addressing the press outside of the courtroom. and he's not gagged. he can talk about the judge. she can talk about the prosecutor. he can talk about how he thinks this case is unfair. what he can't do though, is go after innocent people like the jurors, the witnesses, and the staff of the courtroom, and their family members, and look a gag order like this is necessary for someone with donald trump's megaphone because he could do some serious harm by putting a

target on these people's backs and harassing them and kind of making it a message than 200 followers. hey, go after these people, target them, harass them, and that draws serious security concerns. and so i do think it's necessary for this gag order to be in place because donald trump has shown that he does not care about this purity of those that he goes after. >> very interesting and do our guys, everybody standby, thanks to all of you coming up. there's breaking news on planning for how to respond if donald trump is saying to jail, details on that former new york judge is here with her perspective standby. we'll be right it looks like a unicorn quite happy tears all over it i could say that when the lux you love go for last, there's only one thing to say. >> oh mine blocks discount furniture before abigail chewable for allergic edge, giving dogs pills was a battle

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you over and over again for a specific answer and i'm not getting an answer. the judges exasperated, kept building until he finally said this to blanche. you're losing all credibility with the court or direct quote, joining us now to put these clashes and perspective, the former us district court judge shira scheindlin. judge, gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us. how rare is it for a judge to get exasperated? like this. what would you have done it in the situation like this i think it's not a good idea to be exasperated on the second day of a six-week trial and to say to the lawyer, you've lost all credibility with me. >> that's a very judgmental statement on the second day of six weeks, i can see that after three weeks or four weeks when the lawyer has really tested your patients. but i don't think it's a good luck to say you've lost all credibility upfront. so i probably wouldn't have made that particular comment and i know he repeatedly said you haven't

shown me anything. you haven't given me anything to help decide this? >> i don't know if that's fair. >> again, the lawyers is there to make an argument on behalf of his client his argument is my client is running for president in the united states. he needs to answer these attacks. these are political. i'm not saying the judge should buy that argument, but it's an argument that a lawyer could, in my opinion, can credibly make these also still so attacking the gag order itself and he's saying re-posting what's so bad about re-posting? it's already in the new york post. people can already read. everyone can read about michael cohen and what folks are saying about him. so re-posting means yes, president trump is also saying it. but what else would you expect? >> it? >> i understand it's technically probably a violation, whether it warrants harsh reprisal. i don't know the gag order issue. >> attentive trump's posts are now under scrutiny, including one quoting a baseless

allegation that some jurors are liberal activists altogether, the maximum fine would be about $10,000. how do you expect judge merchan to rule and would anything deter trump two good questions. >> i would expect him initially to impose fines. i don't think he's going to go right to incarceration. i don't think any judge would do that. he's going to impose fines and he's going to give them a stern warning saying, now, look i have fine. you and i can find you again. but if you don't stop this, i have the power to incarcerate you and that's what's going to happen if you violate my court orders. i think he's going to give him a stern talking to and i think he's going to impose these fairly minimal fines of $1,000 per violation for trump. that's what i would expect that much money for trump. judge. shetland, cnn is just learning now that the us secret service court officers and even the new york city department of corrections have been quietly

discussing what to do if trump does end up being jailed jailed for contempt of court. if you are presiding over this case, at what point would you be prepared to actually jail the former president of the united states? >> i wouldn't be anxious to do that. i think it makes them appear to be a victim it only helps his narrative of this being a witch hunt. i would try to do everything i could not two incarcerate him it's going to be difficult. there's going to have to be 24/7 secret service protection. i read somewhere that it might be rikers which would be a terrible environment. so i would hope that it never came to that. and i don't expect it to. >> interesting trump's lawyer, todd blanche, as you know, is a very reputable trial attorney what do you make of him seeming to be unprepared at this hearing? how could this impact the judge's view? of todd blanche for the rest of the trial well, that's what i said earlier. >> i don't by the criticism

that he was unprepared, he only has so many arguments he can make. you can't make up facts that don't exist, so he can argue the breadth of the gag order itself and saying, what's wrong with re-posting everybody's or read it already, read it in the new york post or fox news. so there's nothing wrong with that. you shouldn't have included re-posting. he can also make the argument that i summarized before about running he's in a political campaign, has a right to respond to political attacks what more can you do? so, the judge was, as i said, with a little harsh on him and saying you've lost all credibility with me and you've given me nothing. doesn't he can't expect a man to make up a facts and evidence that don't exist interesting, thanks for your expertise, judge shira scheindlin would appreciate it very, very much. >> and coming up the very public breakup between donald trump and his onetime lawyer, michael cohen, is on full display, right now. we're taking a closer look at how it all broke down and we'll thus with someone who's known trump

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for imprint.com four certain assignment with audie cornish. >> listen wherever you get your podcasts we're back with our special report on donald trump's first criminal trial. former tabloid executive david pecker, making it clear in his testimony today that longtime trump fixer, michael cohen, was a central player in efforts to buy and kill negative stories about trump, seen as tom foreman is more on cohen's relationship with trump and how it all unraveled just speak to put two, i hands together and, received his as he comes. >> my friend, mr. michael cohen a picture of better time times for donald trump and his attorney, michael cohen. he's a good man. he's a man who cares deeply about this country and a snapshot of bitter times now hey guys troubling, went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me do native new yorkers met in

2006, go and bought a condo and the trump building. and by most accounts, they bonded quickly over their shared values and sharp elbows. >> soon cohen was handling real estate deals, helping run some companies. they say mr. trump's pitbull that in his um, his right-hand man when trump's campaign lit up co-insurance karpin does tie. you guys are down and it makes sense that there would most of them, all of them and trump return the favor, michael cohen is a very talented lawyer, is a good lawyer in my firm as claims of improper hush money emerged, trump initially included cohen and his denials of any wrongdoing, like with this crazy stormy daniels deal hey represented me and, you know, from what i see, he did absolutely nothing wrong when headlines warned that cohen might help prosecutors.

>> trump posted, i don't see michael doing that. and he ripped the fbi raids on his lawyers home and office. >> it say an attack on our country and a true sense, it's detached, gone. what we all stand for later, cnn obtained an audio of cohen and trump discussing payment to silence playboy model karen mcdougal story of an affair with trump, which trump denied when it comes time for the financing, which will be what get hold on. i got no. >> then cohen pled guilty to crimes including campaign finance violations linked to those payments. he went to jail and he came out saying he should have never trusted trump. >> i am ashamed. because i know what mr. trump is he is a racist he is a con man and he's achieved, trump has called cohen a liar, a loser, and so much more. it's all just

a warm up to the former president and his former fixer. these four former friends facing off in court it really will be an absolutely fascinating moment when you think about how long michael cohen lived at the direction of donald trump? following everything donald trump wanted under the thumb of donald trump and now it is michael cohen who has a chance to apply pressure to the former president. >> will very good report. thanks very much, tom foreman working in the story for us joining us now the investigative journalist, david cay johnson, who wrote a 2016 biography about donald trump. a david, thanks so much for joining us, as you know, better than all of us. this is a very complicated relationship. does that make it complicated for jurors to weigh cohen's expected testimony well not i don't think so many, many times prosecutors have used criminals, career criminals, to convict other people of crimes

so the issue here will be not just michael cohen's credibility, but the tape recorder earnings he has of his conversations with trump and the documents that will tend to support his story and of course, it's important wolf to keep in mind that donald trump hired michael cohen and employed him because he would menace people and he would lie for trump when he wanted once they broke from everything i've seen, including my conversations with michael cohen, he has been very carefully and precisely accurate in what he said. >> interesting david pecker testified today that trump was very detailed, oriented. he said one time in trump's office, trump was given invoices and checks sign and pecker, quote, notice that he referring to trump review the invoice and looked at the check and he would sign them. how key is that testimony you think david to proving these charges against trump? well, trump's

insistence is i had nothing to do with this. michael cohen, he's the one who went and did this deal and the fact that there are the audio recordings that were made by michael cohen and menn pecker's testimony pecker has not been charged with any crime he has immunity so long as he tells the truth, he will not be charged with any crime. so he has a great deal of weight to the documents and the audio recordings david, you've covered trump extensively over these many, many years and you say he's not a strong internal person. what sort of impact could days and weeks of trial have on his mindset? well, i think we're already seeing the difficulty donald is having dealing with having to be in court, having to sit in a chair for hours at a time and not being able to speak or object in any way and, you notice when he came out to complain yesterday after the

hearing? >> he instead of being the great communicator, is donalds very good at taking complex issues and reducing them to a slogan a simple message to people. he got totally lost in the weeds. i mean, i had trouble following what he was trying to say. i follow everything he does very interesting. you mentioned the documents. this case is about falsifying business records, how to prosecutors use the documents, the emails, the agreements, bring that. how do they bring them to life to build their case? >> well, the key element in this, in presenting the evidence to the jury is to show that this wasn't some casual one-off where you weren't thinking or you did something dumb. they're 34 separate actions that were taken and you get david pecker first to lay out the broad scheme that the prosecution says was a conspiracy to corrupt under new york law, the election. then you present these documents to

show are they really did it. the money was transferred here and there and they lied and covered up about it. and then you use michael cohen and those audio recordings to seal the deal along with the testimony, i expect we're going to hear from stormy daniels and karen mcdougal david cay johnston. thanks. for your expertise. appreciate a very, very much and just ahead, a front row seat to donald trump's criminal trial, the artist bringing you the powerful pictures from inside the court this here live businesses go further with five kyi solutions. >> that's why they choose t-mobile for business pga of america and t-mobile for partnering in one, five gene powered analytics to help improve player performance t-mobile's network helps aaa stay connected nationwide to give their members back on the road and las vegas grand prix chose t-mobile to help fuel operations for one of the

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doctors preferred better science, better results. the white house correspondents dinner live saturday at seven eastern on cnn vivid courtroom sketches are giving us a window into donald trump's first criminal trial. since cameras aren't allowed inside, we're relying on these images and first-hand accounts to capture the substance and the color of the trial rejoyn now by the veteran courtroom sketch artists, christine cornell, who has been inside the trump trial covering it for cnn. christine, thanks very much for joining us here. one of only three artists who can actually show what's happening in the core we're

looking at your sketch of david pecker is testimony today. can you take because a little bit inside the room during this moment well, mr. pecker is very interesting. >> a witness it's quite fascinating to hear about how they you know, conspired to say awful things about anybody who was challenging donald trump for the presidency. he went after mr. rubio, he went after tech crews. >> they were all sexual scandals. >> i think there was zero concern about what was true or not true they were just having a holhot which makes it poetic justice that he's having to deal with this right now. >> interesting. i know you sketch trump in the e jean carroll defamation trial and his new york civil fraud trial as well. and you say he seems to have lost a lot of his bravado since them since then, tell us more about trump's demeanor in this courtroom. from what you've observed over the past few days i mean, trump

is basically still being treated like royalty. >> he has a procession that, you know, of secret service who follow him in and all of us are, you know, like being tamped down the presses and allowed to stand up from their seat, move any move at all when trump is present? and we're very restricted by his moves, you know where's were suffering a little bit you know, kind of being treated like naughty schoolchildren because they're very, very protective of this man as far as how he's bearing up it's hard for him to have to be in a spot where he can't speak anything out of his mouth, it turns into a fine & a scolding and i see him sort of slightly, slightly deflated from the early days of his showing up in court. he's less bravado,

interesting and less, less of that feeling like, oh lucky you, you get to see me. you know, now he's like, oh, i'm still here you know, and you're still here? rather be anywhere in the world. were looking at your sketch, christina, of this morning's very tense gag order hearing, how high did emotions run inside the room? >> well, i found it interesting that they that they had charged him, the government with ten breaches of the gag order and, they said, oh, well, he breached his so many more times than that. you never said anything. so maybe we thought maybe he thought it was okay. which is a heck of a peculiar defense you know, they did they did assert that mr. trump and do exactly what the rules were so he's been deliberately

pushing yet to get a response. i mean, the government said that's what he was doing and i think it's pretty clear that that's what he's doing. very interesting crystalline just going to say, thank intuit issue of well, thank you for finishing that sentence. appreciated very, very much and thanks for all your good work, very important. to see those sketches coming up and in-depth interview with one of america's most a claim presidential historians, how author doris kearns goodwin views this trial as part of the country's history and future when i first learned about my duper trends contracture, my physician referred for me to hand specialist and i'm glad he did because when i took the tabletop test, i couldn't leave my hand flat anymore the firsthand specialist i saw only offered surgery. >> so i went to a secondhand specialists to also offered non-surgical options which felt more right for me. so what i'd say to other people with do

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business easily with freelancers, five i'm caitlin polantz at the federal court in washington and this is cnn history is truly unfolding inside the new york courtroom where donald trump is the first former us president to face a criminal trial rejoyn now by the renowned presidential historian doris kearns goodwin. she's written a really important brand new book entitled an unfinished love story, a personal history of the 1960s and really is, there is a great, great book congratulations you so much. i know it's gonna be a huge, huge bestseller as it should be

especially for those of us who lived through the night 1860s can relate to everything you're writing in here. let's talk about what's going on right now. history is unfolding with this trial, as you know, give us your sense of why this is a remarkable potentially a remarkable moment in american history? >> i think the most important thing is that it's a test of the rule of law is any man above the law? i think about poor al gore who had to go through that terrible race in 2000. and he gave a concession speech that was so dignified and he talked about the role of law, what he said was that he was so disappointed with the decision but the court had made the decision and that was the law. and then he said in the law means makes me want to have responsibility to honor the president elect every other president in history has done that. and he was able to talk about the rule of law that's what we're talking about right now. it may be in most important thing that we've ever seen a president sitting in a criminal trial? but it's the rule of law that matters as you know, this trial highlights a lot of the very, very deep

divisions in our country, right now. are there some parallels, some historic precedence that you see what you worry about is in the 1880s, you had two different kinds of media. there's the south and the north would distancing themselves from each other. and an event like for example, when charles sumner, the massachusetts kept senator, was bludgeoned by this central, by this south carolinian guy, preston brooks. and it was seen in the north that he was a hero, sumner this guy in the south was considered a hero in the south. the same event viewed in different ways i think the real answer to what's going to happen with this trial more important even than whether the jury renders what verdict for one is whether the country accepts it. that's public sentiment is what matters in the country. lincoln said, it was more important than law is more important than supreme court decisions. because if the public decide something and it says acetyl feeling not just public opinion. so i think the real challenge is going to be, what does the public except about this decision and what does that mean going forward? so how does the country heal now,

given that so many americans actually believe trump, trump's claims about this being that he's being persecuted and all of that. >> how does the country heel for history? >> so that but i think what happens is that over a period of time as i say, acetyl feeling comes in. and if people really do feel that he was given the justice that he deserved, & accountability was met and more people feel that that's finally it. and then we go on to other things. but i think there's a chance that we can do. it seems really hard now we've lived through hard times before. this is as hard a time as i've lived through, except for the 60s, we had a tough time when we were in the 60s. think about what happened then. you had assassinations of martin luther king, of robert kennedy, of john kennedy. you had riots in the cities. you had campus violence. and somehow we thought we'll never going to live through this. and here we are. >> we've been healed so history tells us, history provide solace, history provides perspective. that's why i love it so much. >> i'm an optimist. i'm sure the country will heal as a result of all of this how our friends and allies around the

world, viewing what's going on in our country, right? no, that's what you worry about. >> i mean, you want us to be the proud country i that's why i loved living through world war ii. it's crazy. i mean, living through it as an historian because you knew that we were beacon of hope to people around the world that we were able to help those allies when a war that had to be four what i'm proud to have lived through the civil war, even though it was such a tough war, it ended with a emancipation secured and the union restored. we don't know how this is going to end, but somehow history tells us that before we lived through really tough times and somehow the people didn't know how it was going to end. that's the thing we're anxious. we don't know how this is going to end. but somehow history is going to tell us 100 years how it ended. and hopefully it will have ended in a way that we can feel that we came through this with honore. restored that sense of being an american and feeling good about citizenry. teddy roosevelt warned that democracy would be at issue if people in different regions sections and party's viewed each other as the other rather than as common american citizens something's got to bring back that feeling that we are americans& that we

have more in common than we know how naive it's sound. but you've got to believe it or you've got no chance. and i hope you'll be writing that book down the road years from now, how the country healed up. >> but let's talk about this excellent new book you've written an unfinished love story, a personal history of the 1960s. why is it so personal? >> because my husband had kept 300 boxes that really were a time capsule of the 60s through his entire life. and he was everywhere. he's elegant. the 60s jfk, bobby kennedy later, eugene mccarthy and new hampshire and lbj with all the great civil rights stuff. but he didn't want to open it until he turned 80 and then he figured, if i don't do it now, it's never because they 60 is that ended? though? sadly, we lived together the 60s, we started at the beginning pretending that we didn't know what was going to happen later and as a result, we live the excitement of the 60s, the excitement of john kennedy, the early days of the civil rights movement. it was an era, as you know, having lived through it when young people were impelled by the decision that somehow they were going to do something larger than the cells they feel

fulfilled by it when they marched against segregation, when they march for the denial of the vote, when they were in the peace when they launched the women's movement, the gay rights movement, so much of that feeling of conviction that you can make a difference in people's lives. i'll never forget being at the march on washington in 1963. i felt this joy, a sense of being part of something larger, carrying assigned catholics, jews, and cat and protestants united for civil rights so reliving that decade, i'm hoping that young people can see that. i'm hoping that grandparents who went through it, like us can tell our grandchildren what it was like and that stories can be told. that's what you need from history. you have to tell stories of the people who lived before. >> and that's what you have done in an unfinished love story, personal history of the 1960s. doris, thank you. so much for writing this book. it means so much. >> thank you. thank you so much it meant so much to me. it kept kept my husband alive and kept that america that believed in its ideals alive congratulations to terrific work and we'll be right back with more news.

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ideas. morgan stanley donald trump was on trial in new york. today, president biden was going after him in trump's own backyard. cnn's priscilla alvarez is joining us from tampa, florida right now. so priscilla, what is president biden saying? >> well, well, if president biden tried to leverage a restrictive abortion law, that essentially ban most abortions after six weeks and is set to take effect next week. i'm trying to use that to put the state in play for democrats time, the unpopular abortion bans nationwide his republican rival, donald trump, take a listen fst responsible with this nightma, and he's knowledged any brags about donald tmp now becau o this, law democrats are putting renewed focus the scene and what they think is a politically salient issue. but there's no doubt it'going to be an uphill challenge, especiallyn a state like florida, that voted republan

in the past let's do presidential elections and one where the president has a wider gap against his repuican rival priscilla alvarez in taa for uspriscilla, thank you very much. i'm wolf blitr in the situation room. thanks very much for watching e newsontinues next sienna good evening, welcome to cnn specl primetime coverage.>> the first-ever criminatrial, the former president, and there's a lot to bring you from a truncated but busy day six that's all the judge wanted defense attorney. he's losing credibility. also testimony from david pecker former tabloid publisher, who became the trump campaigns, eyes and ears. and tonight new reporting and discussions are underway about what to do if the former president is actually jailed for contempt quite a de a lot to get to judge merchan's warning came as trump attorney todd blanche tried to answer prosecution evidenced during contempt hearing with the jury, not present, the judge s