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executed according to survivors, who spoke to cnn those who were spared, say the rsf threatened to start their families if they didn't join >> the total >> the rsf, sit in the heart of according food, men from here, they can wait out starve out to people and its army >> fear >> uncertainty, despair, cascade as the months of war dragged on. and the world looks away the rsf didn't respond to our request for comment. we also, those shared our findings with un special rapporteur for contemporary slavery who told us that the evidence we uncovered the evidence, you just >> is
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case thrown out arguing that if he is not granted immunity, it is the quote, end of the presidency as we know it. plus the ceo of a top luxury real estate firm says tonight the trump can't sell his properties fast enough to pay half $1 billion by monday. she's my guest tonight and ban he wanted served as the ambassador to russia under trump. and tonight russia says he is no longer welcome their ambassador, john sullivan is with me tonight. let's go out, find >> good evening. i'm erin burnett out front this evening. the breaking news trump appealing to a man he placed on the supreme court in an effort to end the cases again tim. and who is that? well, that person is justice brett kavanaugh. and in this 67 page filing of filed by trump's team today, the former president's legal team digging deep into brett kavanaugh was passed to make
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their case as to why trump should not be charged with trying to overturn the 2020 election. and as they go through this, they point to several statements made by kavanaugh, including this one. they quote, a president who is concerned about an ongoing criminal investigation is almost inevitably going to do a worse job as president trump's team also going way back in time, going to a georgia law article that kavanaugh wrote in which he says, and quoting again prosecution or non-prosecution of a president is in short, inevitably, an unavoidably a political act well, a political act that of course echoes what trump has been saying since the start of the investigation is that all of this is court cases are political and election interference in their own right. and trump's filing today is his last ditch attempt to do two things. one of course is to delay the special counsel's election case altogether and two is actually to take a step back actually avoid being charged entirely for trying to overturn the 2020 election. and on that point, trump's legal team says, quote, if immunity is not
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recognized, every future president will be forced to grapple with the prospect of possibly being criminally prosecuted after leaving office every time he or she makes a politically controversial decision that would be the end of the presidency as we know it now, that argument was unanimously, of course rejected by a federal appeals courts. so just to be very clear here, what you're looking at in these 67 pages is trump's last chance to make that case. and end these cases. katelyn polantz is out front live in washington to begin our coverage tonight. and caitlin, what else stands out to you in this new filing by team trump >> why aren't we've had a lot of court filings over the course of this investigation about presidential immunity. but the language here is really aimed at scaring justices on the supreme court who want to protect the presidency and executive power. executive authority some of the language trump uses. he talks about post-office trauma that presidents might experience if
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they could be prosecuted for committing crimes while they are in office. the he also talks about the de facto black male and extortion that they could face while in office. he also writes, it could be the end of the presidency as we know it. that is a very stark phrasing of this threat that trump's team perceives if there isn't some sort of immunity around the presidency. the other thing that stood out to me is that in one of these arguments over this 60 some page brief filing to the supreme court, trump's team says, motive shouldn't matter. and it's unfair to trump if there's immunity for the presidency, but it falls away in a case like this, where trump or others, we could be accused of trying to hold onto power because they were trying to break a lot to stay in power. here's the direct quote. the court should reject the dc he circuits alternative approach of denying a precedent criminal immunity when his conduct is allegedly motivated
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by the desire to remain in power lawfully, this approach risks creating the appearance of a gerrymandered ruling tailored to deprive only president trump of immunity while leaving all other presidents on touch. so they're saying that even if a president is breaking the law to keep hold of that office that is not a reason why there should not be a protection around the presidency. and thus, trump's should be protected here as well. >> all right, caitlin, thank you very much. so i wanna go straight to our legal expert, ryan goodman, because what caitlin just said is pretty extraordinary. okay. they're saying because it's tailored just to apply to him. well, there's a reason that it applies only to him because he's the only one who actually tried to overturn an election ram. >> is just this >> continual circular reasoning. as you go through the 67 pages, do you find anything more compelling in these arguments? then you've heard from them before >> so the first half or the brief, there's nothing really compelling and i don't think any of the justices may be one,
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but i don't even think any of them was signed on to this idea that all presidents are absolutely immune for any conduct enough that's just a bridge too far, right? >> the second killing people i mean, there are things, exist which by the way, they've already said that if he had ordered someone to be killed, but that wouldn't count. but teams trump has said that, but to trump has said that's right. but the second half is a smart legal argument which is to say to the court, look when you decide that there's not absolute immunity, then give us a test in which you define what the boundaries are. then send this whole thing back down to the trial court to apply your new test which is a delay strategy. so the idea there being that then they hold hearings at the trial court and then the trump side can appeal any adverse hearings all the way back up to the supreme court. that's the move that's being made there. but it's a smart argument. it's the argument i think they should be making smart lawyer but it was just the wage which is you need to put rules and you need to put a procedure in a test. yes. understandable. okay. >> so do you think it's has a chance of success and in that context, what do you make of the fact that they repeatedly appeal to justice kavanaugh, who of course was appointed by
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trump, but said all these things and wrote all these things which seem at least taken out of context to support the argument that they're making >> it's a good move to try to quote the justices back at themselves also then one of the paragraphs they have both kevin and scalia quota together. so generally speaking, that can work. i imagine that jack smith might do the same thing if he thinks there's something in kevin, his writings the problem for trump is that it's not really what kevin was saying. kevin was talking about why an incumbent president should not be distracted by ongoing criminal prosecutions, investigations. that's the cabinet argument. kevin, i don't think wants to be associated with this absolute immunity argument, which they're making. so it actually might turn him off, right? >> and just to be clear, incumbent and trump is not i mean, just absolutely reject the argument. >> most apples, right? those folks who thinks that the incumbent president is immune make the argument that he's immune, or she is immune until they leave office and that's the situation you're in right
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now. >> all right. all right. ryan, thank you very much. and we are tracking think that's breaking news we've got more breaking developments right now, which is donald trump is now saving the judge who ruled against him and his company and the trump org fraud case because literally we are in a time click, time, ticking down situation. trump running out of time to come up with $464 million. that is what is required to come up with to post bond by law by i'm on the deadline >> are you looking forward to this campaign, this election had been had been campaigning. how are you doing it? legal, all these legal cases, mountain taking up. they valued mar-a-lago >> yeah. >> 18 million because the courts are rigged. >> what's going on? direct? >> they did they evaluated >> it, had an appraisal, of 1.5 billion, 2 billion. who knows what it's worth is because that was good for their narrative. so they valued at 18 millionaires because it's a crooked legal system, very crooked. that's why people are leaving new york companies are
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fleeing new york because of even this decision >> as our own, daniel dale has pointed out which judge and grand said was that a palm beach county tax assessment from the years the decade of 2011 to 2021, appraise the market value of mar-a-lago between $1,828 million now this all comes as trump's lawyers admitted so far that he does not have the 464 million which he is required to post by law by monday. what that means is that if he is treated like every other defendant in a posting bonds situation you just have to do it. you have to sell assets. you've to do whatever you have to do to make that bond. and for trump, that would mean but he may have to sell some of his most prized properties. these are mega ticket items or risk watching the state of new york sees them as the state of new york has said it well, out front. now, someone who knows all of this inside out, the real estate industry, inside out best friedman, she is the ceo, brown harris stevens, which is a luxury real estate company that includes properties in new york, new jersey, and florida all its locations. we're talking about ambassadors, also
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a lawyer. so best if just taking a look at where we are j's tuesday, it's only tuesday. okay. >> but by monday he has to post this bond. >> if he hasn't started the process >> of selling any of his properties. and by the way, i don't even mean started. i mean, if you aren't really, really far down on the path, these are big, big buildings does he have time to sell any of them by monday? >> i mean, i think it's a little we don't have enough time. i mean, by monday, that's really i think you need at least 30 days to get any of these properties sold. but the property that you alluded to, mar-lago potentially that could be something that could be sold quickly. i think the valuation is something in the hundreds of millions and i think there could be a buyer for something like that. >> that would be literally if you're talking about doing that between now and monday, that's picking up the phone, calling someone and then literally writing check. yeah. i mean, there could be plenty of international people who want to buy that property. i mean, there's properties that are priced at 150.200 good million that are nearby that and palm beach is like the nevada nvidia
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excuse me, of real estate. it's just shot up like a rocket and people do want to live there. they've moved there. so i think that would be the best-case scenario as to proper if he's trying to sell quickly, i would encourage that. >> all right. now, that's 240 million estimated. i mean, who knows? so we use a desperate seller in this case, so it picks up the phone and makes that call this week. so i'll know would it be that's still path of what it would be. so when you look at other properties, i mean, you've got his pen house bloomberg values that at 40 million. i mean, that doesn't get you there either. but is that something you could even sell quickly? i mean, the >> good news about that property is low occasion is incredible. it's a condominium which means it's could sell quickly. you still have to get through a board process, a package, an application but it's a building that was built in the early '80s, so i don't know if it's been renovated. and remember, not everybody wants that affiliation with that building with the name it does have a stigma for songs i'm and so that can be a bit of a challenge. and so the
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price doesn't determine the market. the market determines the price. and so it will depend on if there's somebody who really wants to buy something like that and do a renovation and make it their own. and it's comfortable living in a building that has his name and forever. that's not everybody's tastes. so i think it could be a bit of a challenge so how do you how do you really even turn something like this, this quickly? i mean, how, what is the process to even do this? and when you talk about it, someone who they're gonna want to get a deal, right >> this is the definition of a desperate seller in this particular instance, you've got five days yeah, i mean, i think he needs to look at all of his assets and real estate. he has a lot of them great locations and he needs to figure out what those values are and get them on the market and get people looking at them. i'm sure there's interest. i mean, look, jeffrey epstein's mansion sold in new york city. it took some time. they had cut the price, but there was somebody that was willing to buy that in with bernie made off we were able to sell his co-ops so people will buy the real estate it just will take time, but the
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sooner the better and the sooner they evaluate what he has and get its get get it out there. it will be better for him. >> all right. best. thank you very much. i mean, just an incredible situation, even believe what we're even talking about such a thing. but this is the reality. all right. thank you. thank you. >> next >> well, >> in the slammer for trump former trump aid, peter navarro is inside this miami prison on your screen tonight. that is where he is the former president resides comfortably not far away right now in mar-a-lago michael cohen, you'll served time because of his ties to trump has out front next, let's breaking news. polls are about to close in ohio. and this is absolutely crucial. this is the fight for control of the senate. >> trump >> facing a major test of his power there night and then another dr. royals photo taken by kate middleton. we're going to talk to a professional photographer who says she knows exactly what was altered in the photo, and you'll see that by ben anderson cooper, 360 tonight at eight on cnn
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for free visit otter.ai, ai or download the app tonight in the slammer for trump, peter navarro, trump's former white house aide is now sitting inside this miami prison. it's one of the oldest prison camps in the united states. and it happens to be less than 100
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miles from where trump is living right now at mar-a-lago navarro joins the growing list of trump associates who have served time. michael cohen who will join me in a moment, sentenced to three years behind bars former trump adviser steve bannon, sends to four months in prison. that sentence on hold as his pending an appeal. >> former trump >> campaign chairman paul manafort, former campaign adviser george puppet, up. willis trump associate roger stone, the deputy chairman of trump's campaign, rick gate. all were sentenced to time behind bars former trump org cfo allen weisselberg. he served time at riker's and could be going back. >> i >> mean, when you think about it and you listed out like that, it's pretty incredible. silence or fatty is out front with more that's what i'm feeling right now. former trump >> adviser peter navarro, defiant as he reports to federal prison in miami today every person who has taken me on this road to that prison is a brilliant democrat and at trump pater navarro is facing
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up for sentence for refusing to comply with a congressional subpoena from the committee that >> investigated the january 6 attacks on the us capitol. >> but his hard as it will be on me and it's hard as we'll be on anybody who is in there is harder on their families. and this is who >> those democrats have hurt navarro at age 74, will be serving his time and an air condition dormitory within the prison reserved for elderly inmates. kill have access to tvs, the ability he to email and make phone calls? yes. the chinese protectionism at one time, a respected economist, a voice on china and harvard trained professor navarro regularly appeared on mainstream media. >> feeder is brash >> and decades ago tried unsuccessfully to run for local office as an independent democrats, attracting the endorsement of hillary clinton and landing a prime speaking spot at the 1996 democratic
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national convention, together with president clinton, we will protect medicare and social security and a woman's right to choose but some who have known him since back then say his shaky ideologies could use a great chameleon. he, he clearly was able to >> adapt to who they are and what they're about were trumped easily by the spotlight >> we have the great peter navarro >> navarro morphing into a maga loyalists. >> this president has been the toughest prime president on china of any american president. and >> trump do you vote t? >> if you look statistically at what happened, clearly the president won this election. it was leading on election day, promoting some of the former president's most controversial and baseless claims and on, on things like, for example, the hydroxychloroquine. >> he yeah, as a strong point of view. there's many doctors on the other side because of my first of all, just going to play second level you're an economist, not a scientist.
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>> and now like trump, >> so the little story here is navarro is going to present today attempting to turn his feet into a badge of honor. >> men and women of america throughout our history, have shed blood, lost their lives for the defense of this chondrite, it's a much smaller sacrifice to be willing to go to prison this marks the first trump official to go to prison for contempt charges of congress. do you ban and of course has also been convicted of contempt charges for defying those subpoenas from the january 6 committee. but of course, he has remained out of jail. aaron. so far because he is ruling and trying to appeal this rule all right. >> so i'm lynn, thank you very much. and out front now, former trump attorney, who also went to prison, michael cohen, the author of revenge shall donald
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trump weaponized us department of justice against his critics, also the host of the may a culpa and political be down podcasts. so michael, you hear navarro, he's saying he's defending the country by going to prison i'm standing but, you know, i'm i'm standing by trump. i'm going to prison for him. >> you were once >> just to to some extent in his shoes, right? for for things that you did while with trump, you serve time. and we've got images of going to prison in 2019 a day. i'm sure you will never forget because of your loyalty to trump. there you are in the car so as you see, navarro go to prison what do you see? >> it makes me recall an old adage troubled people cause trouble donald, is that troubled person and he's causing trouble. peter navarro has no idea just how bad prison actually is. and i'm speaking from experience not once but twice when i was unconstitutionally remanded. the second time back, it's terrible, but there's more
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implications that people aren't even aware of all your bank accounts end up getting closed. you can't get credit cards and you can even open up a bank account at any, at any bank because you name is on the list, your whole life changes and why is it changing? >> because >> he's doing something for donald trump, a guy who's 100 miles away from him enjoying a mar-a-lago burger and a bunch of ice scream at, at his gilded club. i don't know what he's thinking so so let's talk about where it so you served about a year in prison and then you continue to serve your term during covid, you are. okay. >> but navarro, he sentenced to four months. does that make a what are those first four months like? i mean, how does he manage that? and also, we had shown images, but he is in fca miami which is a prison, you know, a lot about why know something about it. i was in fca otis bill very different than fc on miami. i knew a few people that actually came from
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fca miami to oldest phil is not it's not a good place. no different than allen weisselberg who spent 100 days at rikers island. rikers. it is it is not a cake walk. any of these fcas or not. first of all, you come in to the facility and you have nothing. >> it's a >> weird experience, especially for somebody who is of his age you don't even own a toothbrush. you don't have a hair brush, you don't have soap, you don't have shampoo, or you have is what they give to you, which is a pillow or a blanket they give to you a pair of one pair of socks, a pair of underwear, a pair of pants that generally don't fit. they do that on purpose and a t-shirt and irregular shirt. >> that's >> what that's what you own so coming from the world that peter navarro came from, spending time at the gilded casa of donald, right? morrow lotto, harvard professor, known economist. i mean, i knew peter
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navarro all the way back when i worked you see he was a guy who came on regularly. he was this is not the worry, it's this is not an experienced that he that he wanted to have in his memory. >> you said it takes your soul. >> it does >> prison takes your soul the time that you're away from your family your friends, your life never get it back. you never get it back on top of that, i don't know what they're rules are right now in terms of covid, do they hold them the first five days, ten days, 14 days? in solitary. that's another issue in and of itself. remember i did 51 days of solitary confinement >> he gave a press conference saying navarro did. okay. talking about it, obviously, before he walks on the inside of fca miami and i wanted to play one part of it for you. sure are you nervous
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>> i am not nervous. i i'm talking about i'm going to claim executive privilege on the donald trump conversations. i've had the greatest amount out of from donald trump and his team >> what do you say that greatest amount of support from donald trump and his team as he's heading to prison. of course, trump is not. and look where you're going and trust me, it's easy to be a television tough-guy when you're on the outside, when you're on the inside, there rules whether you're in a satellite camp, a low like i was in or you're in a maximum security, the rules are still the rules. he doesn't live by those rules. he's never had to live by those rules. this is an adjustment that he has no idea what he's in store for >> it is incredible. we think about it. all right, thank you so much, michael. i appreciate it. >> let me also just say the food is terrible >> fathers that you don't control what you eat. you don't control when you sleep. i mean, all of it. i mean, it did you say it is impossible to
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now to request your free quote >> the source, but kaitlan collins, tonight at nine breaking news. the first polls have just closed and tonight's elections. five states are voting and we're watching closely for signs of strengths or weaknesses for biden and trump. but there are other crucial racist tonight, we are expecting results from ohio at any moment, republicans, they're trying to take down democratic senator sherrod brown, locked in ugly primary fight. >> and >> in that three-way race, the trump-backed candidate isn't a dead heat with a more moderate republican. so can you bring them over the finish line tonight? it is a crucial test and jeff zeleny is out front he's one of the last democrat standing and ohio. >> thank you for the
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endorsement. thank you all for being senator sherrod brown is one of the biggest republican targets of the year who seek could determine control of the us senate but that fall campaign may hinge on tonight's outcome of an acrimonious gop primary, which in the closing days has revolved as much around donald trump as any of the rivals in the race. >> bernie of these people vote which say well, you're going to win the former president has taken sides and thrown elbows in a bruising three-way republican contest. his candidate, cleveland businessman bernie moreno >> how does ohio feel about president donald j. trump is seen by some top ohio republicans as the party's weakest choice to win in november, the person clearly who has the best that's shot at winning in the fall is matt dolan. there's absolute node ab republican governor mike dhawan is backing state senator matt dolan, whose family owns to cleveland guardians baseball franchise. and has repeatedly
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drawn trump's ire. >> my attitude is anybody that changes the name of the lever? blend indians to the cleveland guardians should not be a senator. >> the campaign has been caustic and costly with more than $40 million spent on t.v. and digital ads alone, >> mega allergic president trump wants you to vote for outsider businessman bernie moreno matt dolan out for himself, >> not you. >> can you trust frank larose including by democratic super pac with ties to senate majority leader chuck schumer, promoting marino trump's candidate, marina would do donald trump's bidding. >> ohio secretary of state frank larose, the third >> candidate in the race, told us it was so clear sign democrats wanted to run against moreno. >> why would they spend over >> $3 million to try to boost bernie moreno was pretty clear. chuck schumer believes that he's the weakest opponent to sherrod brown in an increasingly read ohio or trump won by eight points in 20 in
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20, the race has become a test for this style and substance of the republican party in the age of trump. >> findings about results. okay. it doesn't mean you go and shout and scream that you can respect the other side but you fight for what you believe. >> tonight, it will become clear whether more voters responded. dolan's attempts to lower the temperature or follow trump's lead >> everybody's bashing everybody. i believe the merino commercials that he will support the trump agenda for brown as he seeks a fourth term in the senate, he acknowledges the challenge ahead, not only from republicans, maybe my toughest race, how much of a weight >> is the democratic party and the biden administration on you as a candidate, i always run my own race i will continue to run my own race. i will try to analyze if biden does well here, trump does well, there i've run ahead of our presidential candidates and i will so i earn here's the polls
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are closing here tonight, we are getting a snapshot of the electorate republicans who voted today, the preliminary exit poll numbers are so instructive. let's take a look at a couple of them and opinion of trump when he was president 57% of voters today said they strongly approved 20% said they somewhat approved. so if you add those together, some three-quarters of republicans approve perhaps not surprising but the disapproved number also interesting, 14% strongly disapprove 7% somewhat disapprove. so clearly there's an opening, therefore, a non-trump candidates take a look at these numbers for president biden, republican primary voters were asked if they believed the legitimately won in 2026, in ten republicans say he did not, 32% say he did so that of course sets the table for the conversation going on in the months ahead to november aaron, the reason this race is so important, the senate majority hinges on two seats, on only one. if the president's party is still in
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power here. so that's why this rachel, we want to keep an eye on until november. >> all right. thank you very much. jeff zeleny basil, michael, former chief of the new york democratic party, out front and harry enten, our data guru, harry, those numbers on these exit polls i suppose we should not, we should no longer be surprised. what do you say? shocked but not surprised. yeah. about the gop >> 63% saying biden is not the legitimate legitimately elected, but it is incredible. >> yeah, i don't think we can be surprised anymore, but we can still shake our heads that about two-thirds of the republican electorate, depending on which primary state you're jumping to believe something that's a gazi that's fake. we all know that biden legitimately won that election, yet two-thirds of republicans believe otherwise, depending again on the state trick you're looking at. and that's your shows the stranglehold that donald trump has over the republican party. there are still maybe about a quarter of that republican party that's willing to go the other way. that is that strongly or somewhat disapprove that jeff was pointing out. but the fact that they are
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minority, the majority of the party it's firmly in trump's pocket. all right. on that point though, i'm just going to take the strongly disapprove on this exit poll for the republican voters. in an ohio tonight 14%, right? strongly disapprove right? >> what does that mean? does that mean that they are i mean, you could presume maybe those are people are going to have gone for haley or but do they get back? get on board, do they are they truly going to be the people who possibly decide this whole election? >> yeah. i mean, i think in terms of the general election, this is the kind of that's the kind of voter that joe biden is going to go after, right? he's gonna go after that sort of not republican but not satisfied with donald trump would probably evoked before a nikki haley, but really just doesn't like the direction of the republican party. but it is concerning, quite frankly, that 60% of the republican remember when i'll three remember no hio was a swing-state. remember those remember those standing in ohio, so it must have been
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2012. >> yeah. >> and i was there air that night on election night because we needed someone there because as goes ohio goes the nation, that's right. i was the last time. >> that is. so it's really concerning that. but 63% in ohio of republicans, but we see that pan and across the country that there is this denialism of joe biden being the duly elected president of this country, that really does go to show you how donald trump has really changed the republican party to shift to his worldview. it also suggests that if, which is what's happening in ohio now, this might be the last stand for a sort of mainstream republican to potentially meet sherrod brown in the general election but where are mainstream republicans across the country in terms of their ability to stand up against trump endorsed republic. >> i should refine what i said. i mean, it's the last time that ohio went the way of the country, but it's last time that ohio was really up for grabs. ohio's become a red state >> okay, so >> in this context, ohio being red state whereas president
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biden's money, it's time. well, not in ohio point in nevada and arizona, these battlegrounds and certainly it's gonna go to the midwest as well. but he's going there largest panic and latino populations in both crucial voting block this time around, especially in the context of the broader conversations. but 1.8 million votes combined at stake between those two states these spanish and black voters and biden, this has been an area has been struggling. what some might consider to have been certainly among black voters, his base, but even among some hispanic voters. so you have been talking about this with me for a long time where is by now versus where he was four years ago with those groups? >> yeah >> there's been a lot of folks who've been analyzing these numbers and show that biden has been doing significantly worse among black and hispanic voters compared to the exit polls four years ago. but there was some argument, okay, wait a minute. but what about this point in time? well, i went back to this point in time four years ago and you still see bind doing considerably worse than he was holes four for years ago at
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this time in the election correct. taught it exactly right. and what we see is a joe biden still winning among black voters. but only by 50 points, it was up 72 points at this point that 2020 cycle. and among hispanic voters, biden is barely ahead just by two points versus 21 points at this point in the 2020 cycle on those black voters, i have never ever seen a democratic presidential candidate in my lifetime leading by such a small margin as joe biden is at this particular point in time >> so those numbers leave your jaw on the floor >> i'm concerned and i'm concerned for this particular point. this notion of the lesser of two evils has really started, has sunken in. and that is what's concerning me in 2018, there was a lot of conversation around the lesser of two evils, comparisons to from hilou donald trump, that sameness it seems these yeah, it wasn't the same. it's never been the same. and the concern is that that language and that narrative will get baked into this election. they are not the same when you have donald trump out there saluting
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the individuals who were engaged in an insurrection and went to jail if you have if you have them out there basically saying they don't care about that. they care about other things. so i mean, plus 21 yeah. to plus two. >> no, i honestly think that by the, by the end of this election, they will care. they'll care about democracy. they'll care about the fact that donald trump is out there with his conservative colleagues restricting voting for access as opposed to expanding it. and let me tell you why that i am more concerned about that point than anything else. because the brennan center for justice just released a report saying that the gap between white and non-white voter turnout is widening and it's widening in states where the supreme court has actually gotten i did the voting rights act. and what what i would say in response to that is look at what conservatives, both voters and elected and judges have done. they've restricted your rights,
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not increase them. and that's the that's the message that i think needs to needs to hit at home with those voters. >> and so harry biden trump has also been going to those same states. >> yeah. >> i mean, these are the states we all know. these are the great seven. yeah that determined the whole thing last time and very melt well, me this time. i mean, you had what arizona, georgia, 10,000 votes between the two of them. >> so >> what are the state's yeah, you're looking at now? >> yeah. i mean, look, you pointed out georgia where there's a large african-american population. so that hits on this slide, we just spoke about, well, what about arizona and nevada? those are the states where 20 plus percent of likely voters are hispanic. and look here, it's the same trend line among hispanics at this point in 2020 versus at this point in 2024 right now, the biden biden's the leads, but those leaves shrunk significantly by somewhere between 20.30 percentage points. i have never seen anything like this. aaron, and unless asking asking the question, either one we're on our way to a major realignment or to pollsters have gotten
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something very, very wrong, but we will get there, we will get there because i believe that african american voters who have stood up for the democratic party time and time again, recognize that they are probably the only voters that really stand between the future of democracy and further elections versus autocratic government are tearing. >> well, we will see, but those numbers certainly are saying and we're gonna be talking about, i think so. where are we talking about that? all right. thank you. both. and outfront next, he >> was america's ambassador that's it. or to. russia under trump. now though he has been banned ambassador john solomon, his neck, and former president trump now threatening to deport prince harry if he's reelected outcome >> okay. everyone our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition are strengthened energy. >> ensure with 27 vitamins and minerals nutrients for immune health, and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein >> at this, let's romantics
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american ally turning instead to putin, russia has been fever actually working to expand its presence, not just a niger, but across all of africa. >> mineral rich and >> many, many countries with one top us military official warning that several african nations are quote at the tipping point of falling under russia's influence in front. now, john sullivan, the former us ambassador to russia and ambassador, we have seen this in countries, mali, burkina faso, across africa. now you've got 1,000 americans kicked out of niger a ten year deal over this was a crucial location for us troops counter terror efforts putin now gaining ground. can you explain why this matters so much >> sure, thanks, erin, is great. great to be with you. yeah. this has been a longstanding problem that the russians, through their proxy organizations like the wagner group, have been working, do ingratiate themselves into these countries it undermines the united states counter-terrorism mission it
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it, it allows them to expropriate the natural resources of these countries, valuable natural resources, gold, including some that are essential for us national security like uranium in new share for example. so it's it's a national security problem for the united states, but it's even bigger problem for all the people who live in these countries whose autocratic governments are now associating with what amounts to weigh a private military contractor slashed terrorist organization like the wagner group. >> and you mentioned the wagner group before prigozhin was killed? well, in that plane crash after his attempted coup we had marched of the way to moscow. he, he and his mercenary army were deeply involved in africa, right? that was where he had actually gotten so much of his money from all of the minerals and all the deals that he did and natural resources, weapons running and can you tell me how active they still are? the
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wagner group and what and what are the mercenaries >> how are they >> getting mercenaries there? >> well, aaron, it's really like a franchise. the way to think of it, the wagner organization we call it wagner. it was really a bunch of corporate shell companies that recruited russian military, other military personnel to go in and provide security services to autocrats in these countries. the franchise, the franchise founder, has been eliminated by vladimir putin and now they're recruiting more military personnel to go in and undermine security undermine the counter-terrorism mission in these countries support autocrats, and undermine the west so foreign present, trump has just done an interview with nigel farraj of uk, and they talk about vladimir putin, specifically trump's relationship with >> putin, and how trump says things would be very different if he were president right now, i wanted to play the exchange for you, ambassador is putin
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the kind of mount we can negotiate with? >> yeah, i think he is due, so we did very well with him. look, i'm the one that was the one i stop the pipeline notion him two people don't realize that. >> i'd like, like putin, >> i got along with putin great. >> putin responds to the strength. >> i don't know. i don't know what he responds to. he responded to me >> ambassador, you are one of the few now who in these past years have seen putin and trump up close >> so what, what do you >> think about this right now is vladimir putin right now? kind of person anyone can negotiate with >> well, i think former president trump's approach to putin like his approach to other world leaders, was highly personal. he wanted to engage in personal diplomacy. develop a relationship with worldly theaters, including putin. even when it was inconsistent with longstanding us foreign policy
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up here on the screen that's the picture of queen elizabeth with ten of her grandchildren or great grandchildren shot in 2022, cnn analysis finding signs that it was altered in as many as 19 places 19. >> so nick waters out front to show you exactly what changed getty images. now says this pick taken by kate duchess of cambridge, released last year of the queen and the grandkids and the great grandkids was quote, digitally enhanced at source a hotspot here. and then another hotspot here that lighting is weird too. >> to >> capture a photo of children this young, all looking at the camera and all smiling is very difficult. 60 to 70% chance >> kate earlier admitted to amateur editing of this recent smiley snap before it was
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released, there's a sort of wrist cardigan situation over here. >> if one of the folds was bulging out, then she would have liquified it and it would have distorted her hand. >> so what it's just a little photoshop. >> well, >> number one, we are told kate is recovering from surgery, hadn't been seen since christmas, fueling bright breathless bonkers, conspiracy theories, the fudged photo supersized, the breathlessness. there is some suggestion that caters sort of indisposed and it's a complete fabrication. and it's super sinister i guess that's possible, but if somebody were this good as a retouch, her to make it look this natural, they would have perfected the imperfections. they wouldn't have done a bad job on the cloning of the jacket number to the royal press shop is usually pretty slick, imposing rules on how weak winners can use official royal photos no cropping or photoshopping. so why are they now engaged in such amateurish
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jigger repo curry? >> let's just say this one's hysterically crying. he's looking off and blinked. you would have to answer the question whether that's you know, not photo journalistic integrity because if this was a photo that was 20 shots were taken in exactly the same place in a matter of a minute. and you switch two heads for smiles, how unethical you're not changing the history. you're not changing the narrative journalistically. jordan, ethical to do that, you wouldn't do that? no, you wouldn't do that. okay. >> okay. okay >> number three, public images, almost all the royals have left. they don't do a lot of actual ruling. it's mostly shaking hands, opening supermarkets and stuff and just looking great. so an image dent, a collapse of trust is a big deal for what is essentially an anachronistic
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institution that's survives in goodwill >> maybe she should have an in-house retouched saw news paper just published some of the first images of kate in the wild this year than the telegraaf ran a story alleging it's not kate, but a look alike >> is trust eroding that's the so what of it all? >> and aaron in that interview just mentioned donald trump's weighing in. he's on team kate he also said the prince harry might get deported for lying on his visa application should donald trump return to the white house anyway, there's the royal family has been essentially retouching for centuries. henry the eighth was undoubted italy, uglier in real life than he was in those beautiful portraits. you just can't get away with it anymore >> palace has >> said, kate's gonna be as bad. again, easter ten days from now, let's see if she comes out, does a little dance. maybe everyone will stop getting there bloomers and a bunch about all this but i doubt it. >> yeah. are ever now it's hard