executive doesn't go, let's try as like older girls welcome. but on the sign, kaitlan all right. house here jimmy, into an issue that they really tried to come better for many executive orders with tied up in the courts the time priscilla alvarez, we'll let you listen into that and check back in with you. daniel dale is also still here with me and danya. we're just talking about former president trump's remarks on the border. when you listen to what he says and then there's this clear split-screen moment of what is very likely to be a presidential rematch this november. what did you hear in president biden's remarks? anything? in fact, check there. >> honestly, no. i mean, especially when i fact checked president trump and president biden is speaking next, i wanted to effect like on the current president as well, but what he did, kaitlan was a stick narrowly to the text of that bipartisan border deal that trump opposes. he argued that it should be passed, and he created this has its critics. so not only was there a juxtaposition in style with former president trump speaking

off the cuff, president biden sticking to a script. but in terms of the level of factual accuracy, i mean, it was scripted in an accurate way this week to hear from the president. the former president said what he wanted to, and much of it was not true. so i don't have any fact-checks of president biden here. but i think that's for an obvious reason >> remarkable. >> daniel dale, >> glad to have you on standby. thank you for that. and as we start the top of the new hour here on the lead, you just saw president biden and donald trump wrapping up those competing very different appearances on the southern border, how their messaging on immigration is playing 1,700 miles away in washington. and speaking of congress, is the job of another house speaker potentially on the line? today? mike johnson helped get a new short-term spending bill passed. but that's really his problem. his conservative right-wing flank wants a long-term solution. >> last, i checked the republicans actually have a majority in the house of

representatives, but you wouldn't know it if you looked at our checkbook because we are all too willing to continue the policy choices of joe biden and the spending levels of nancy pelosi also leading this hour, donald trump's immunity argument is the center of yet another case, but this time, most high-profile >> one, first in the federal election subversion case, or his actions around trump trying to overturn the election are under scrutiny. now we may see the same argument used in the classified documents case down in florida. but in this case, trump was mad at the white house, no longer president of the united states, when he had that classified material that he refused to return to the federal government. cnn's paula reid is tracking that story for us in stuart, florida. paula, obviously tomorrow is going to be a big day in federal court. i think it's important because we talked so much about all the different trump cases that obviously we're covering very closely. we haven't talked about the classified documents case in a moment. what does this hearing on tomorrow and what does it? have to do around

a potential trial date for the classified documents case >> okay. then when it comes to the trump trials, as you know, at timing is everything as his lawyers continue to try to push these cases back until after the november presidential contest because if he's reelected, he could probably pretty easily make these all go away. now is currently scheduled to be tried on charges related to his alleged mishandling of classified documents in late may may 20, but it was widely expected that the judge, aileen cannon, a trump appointee, that she likely push that back tomorrow. she's asked the parties to come to court, ready to discuss scheduling. trump lawyers have been pushing and for additional time for discovery and some other matters. so what are you watching very closely tomorrow at court all day to see does xi push this back? if she does, how far does she also leave the door open as she's done in the past two, maybe pushing it back again because at this point, kaitlan, it's unclear if trump will face either one of his federal criminal trials because of of course, yesterday, the

supreme court agreed to to keep his january 6 election subversion case on hold while they contemplate, hear oral arguments in two months on the issue of immunity. now, an additional in addition to scheduling tomorrow, they're also going to handle some other matters. like, for example, what they can put on a jury questionnaire the justice department wants to be able to ask prospective jurors if they believe the 2020 election was stolen. whereas trump lawyers, they want to be able to ask if people vote it and what their party affiliation is. so a lot to sort out there potentially. and then the justice department also bringing up another really serious issue which is intimidation and harassment of witnesses some people involved in this case, of course, that's something we've seen across so many of the trump cases, threats against witnesses, judges, prosecutors will see how the judge addresses that tomorrow with a big issue, but then we will bring to watch all day and be reporting live is on timing because again, timing is right now the biggest issue when it comes to trump's criminal cases >> and paula, this is so

remarkable because what we heard from our sources yesterday after we found out that yes, the supreme court is going to take up that immunity argument by trump, that they've got two months from one eat scheduled this summer. that then if in june we get the supreme court ruling and then it restarts that case in washington, the one on the attempts to overturn the election, it may be conflicting and running into the classified documents case yeah. okay. then i hope your producers have our calendar graphic handy because you need it in order to look at the full situation here and just a few weeks, of course, trump will face his first criminal trial in manhattan. that is the hush money case brought by the manhattan district attorney. and that case is expected to go until mid hey, and then it's anyone's guess how this plays out over the next few months. and there are questions about how much time judge tanya chutkin we believe that should give him a few months before

she'd have to schedule that january 6 case. where's the mar-a-lago documents case? the lot of open questions about exactly what's going to happen in the calendar in the next seven months. but again, there's less in less space, the longer it takes to resolve these larger issues like immunity >> at least it's warmer in florida than it is in washington. paula reid. thank you for that will be should have watched this closely tomorrow for more on what we may see. i want to bring in cnn senior legal analyst elie honig, and cnn political commentator alyssa farah griffin, who is also the communications director inside the trump white house. elie, as far as it comes to the classified documents case, i think it's good to have a refresher because we haven't been talking about it as frequently. but what are you going to be watching for because this judge, specifically we know is operating very differently than judge in washington has been. yes. so i'm looking for the moving chess pieces it's here because i think a strategy and we've had reporting to this effect that donald trump's team is going to use. here is to try to move the mar-a-lago trial so that it blocks any possibility of the washington, dc trial making it onto the calendar

before the election. here's what i mean. the current date for the mar-a-lago trial is like may may 20, if they can get that pushback to, let's say july. now you're looking at the florida the mar-a-lago case blocking july, august, september that just leaves nowhere for jack smith's other case, the dc case to go. so i'm going to be looking to see how the parties are trying to manipulate push poll that trial date. >> but did they not fear the classified documents case? i mean, if they're happy to have that one go for us, does that mean they feel like that? one is more winnable for them? >> if that's the strategy, then yes, that's what it tells you and i'm trying to think about this. if i was donald trump's defense lawyer hypothetically, the way i would look at it is the stronger evidence, yet we're being hypothetical here. the stronger evidence against my hypothetical client is in the florida case, the documents case. it's easier for a jury to understand he had classified documents he showed i've had them. he didn't come back. he obstructed justice. it's a neater fit with the law. the dc case, the january 6 case, is more complicated and a little bit of a messier fit but your jury pool, if you're donald trump's team is so much better in florida. i mean, donald trump won florida, even if

you're drawing a jury only from the southern counties, he got 40, 45%. you're going to have a way better jury pool. and let me tell you something. if i had a choice between good fats are good jury. i practice in front of enough jury's. give me the jury every time i want to get back to the immunity thing in a moment, but on this jury thing, we heard today that jack smith wants to have a questionnaire for those potential jurors and florida, whether or not they believe the election was stolen, that he wants to be able to because obviously as they're navigating i mean, he clearly thinks that it could be a jury that's influenced to donald trump. >> well, and we know if we look at just at the national stats a significant portion of the gop as much as 67% believe that the election was stolen so broaden that out more widely, it makes sense. i mean, you want a jury pool that's operating on a baseline level of facts. and of course, i think you would be prejudiced if you're on a jury pool in your ruling on this, if you think that in fact the election was stolen, it makes sense. donald trump is most fearful for january 6 because he thinks it can move the quickest he thinks there is that small possibility. there could be a conviction before election day, and that is the one that i think resonates with

voters the most that it could actually sway republicans from voting, from la we've been reeling from what we learned yesterday from the supreme court, something that peter baker, who is the chief white house correspondent for the new york times posted today, stood out to me. he said the days between the district court ruling for nixon and the supreme nixon against nixon. and when the supreme court arguments actually happened 49 days, the days between the district court ruling against trump in the supreme court arguments, hearing appeal, 143 days. >> a lot >> of people are looking at the timing here. >> yeah. so i think there's a couple i think it's a very good point by peter baker. i think the response would be we are still on a relatively fast track here when it comes to the immunity case, joan biskupic, our expert, wrote that this morning for cnn, and normally, a supreme court case would take even more time. there are differences between the watergate scenario in this scenario, the watergate scenario, the time pressure there was richard nixon had already won his second term. he wasn't up for an election. there was no looming election. the concern was we have a criminal investigation of the guy in the white house here are

the concern is really more political. the concern is while we have a looming election and how might this trial impact the election? and i think there's an argument that it is appropriate for prosecutors and courts to consider the former situation. but once you get into the game of judges and prosecutors thinking about, well, there's an election day and how should we play this? you're starting to turn those jobs that we don't want to be political well into things that are political >> trump has a very varied take of the supreme court or less, obviously, he put three justices on there, but he's gone from saying, i remember when he wants tweeted, when they were going against him. i don't think they liked me very much, but i mean, clearly right now, even if maybe it's unwittingly or not on purpose, they are helping in his strategy to delay his trials, at least for the moment. yes, he does have a split opinion. we remember alina habba, one of his attorneys basically saying we hope kavanaugh does the right thing on the 14th amendment. i don't think that cabinet is going to side that way in the 14th amendment. i think he's got this small shred of hope that perhaps some who put him there might side with them, but what i've heard from the trump folks is they very much no, they're going to lose

on immunity, but they're still counting this as a victory because it gives them more time and it just gives them a bit more time that they could potentially be pushed past the election. and one of the latest stats is 52% of republicans would consider not supporting him if there is a conviction by election day. so this is i mean, to donald trump, this is the whole game. came as far as winning the presidency. >> we've got to start with those polls. we have to start asking which conviction because i think we'd see different results for the hush money case versus the january 6 because it's very important, which is the only case going forward starting next month, there are very few living breathing republicans who care about the hush money case. that is something that's seen as it's in the rearview window. it dates back to 2016 don't even know necessarily the campaign finance implications of it. january 6 does resonate with voters, will have to see, and obviously we don't even know when this trial could happen. maybe it could happen before the election alyssa elie great to have you both. and in washington, it appears that congress may have just averted a government shutdown, at least it's not going to shut down tomorrow. but the process to do so could put this man's job in jeopardy. house speaker mike johnson will check in on

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our firm has offered a free book about mesothelioma for over ten years mesothelioma is really all we do. >> 80087 to 4901 in our politics, lead a partial government shutdown has been averted for now, emphasis on, for now, because hours >> ago, the house just did what it does best and what they have been doing kicking the can down the road, passing a short term spending bill. all but two democrats supported at 97, republicans voted against it. sentence, my raju is on capitol hill, manu, obviously now this bill is going to the senate. we're waiting to see what happens there, but let's talk about the dynamics among house republicans because we've seen speaker johnson say before, they're never passing a short-term spending bill again? and here they are passing a short-term spending bill. what's his justification? yeah. actually, in fact, twice now, since he made that declaration last winter in december, they've had to pass a short term spending bill and look, he has said behind the scenes, he

told his members that he essentially left in this position because they can't pass bills along party lines anymore because the party has been so badly divided over even passing what's known in capitol hill is a rule of parliamentary vote that they need to do to actually move forward on the legislative process. us is on the floor. they can't do that anymore because they are so divided. so as a result, he's got to work with democrats are trying to pass a bill by a two-thirds majority. and because he's got to work with democrats, he's got a compromise and not go nearly as far as publicans want. but i talked to a lot of republicans, particularly on the far right. some of those who pushed out kevin mccarthy after he had to cut a short-term spending deal to keep the government open. and they made clear they're not happy well it's. >> just more of the same people kind of grow accustomed to washington doing my washington does in his game, you got to stack op. you got to stack up and strategies in addis something that's what we accomplished here. >> well, this spending deal that's coming together, the speaker cutting pretty much a similar deal with a short-term

deal that kevin mccarthy would have cut here well, he inherited a lot of kevin kevin mccarthy's bad deals. number one. so i don't fault him for that, but number two, i'm going to say the same thing. i've always said republicans and democrats crowds alike are spending too much period policy-wise. >> what did you get out of throwing out mccarthy >> we have continued with the crs the same the same policies that that i voted against on september 30, the last act of the previous speaker. that's true. >> and those last two comments came from two of the eight republicans who voted out, kevin mccarthy, bob good, and nancy mays making very clear that that not whole lot has changed policy-wise now, neither of them are willing to say that they would actually move to oust mike johnson at this moment, as johnson has said, it's time to close the chapter on last year's spending bills focused on next year's spending bills, because this short-term bill that is about to pass the senate tonight would give them just a handful of more days to actually pass

last year spending goes to keep the government open up until october at the moment, those members are saying that they're not going to push them out. the question though, kaitlan is, will that calculus changed if he does something else to anger them, such as moving on ukraine aid, some of the speaker has not committed to do, but is facing pressure to act on immediately. >> on a raju. thank you for that. and also on capitol hill, senator martin heinrich of new mexico, a member of the senate appropriations committee, senator great to have you. here is the senate going to pass this short-term spending bill this evening? >> we, should pass that later this evening and then worked simultaneously working to tidy up all of those individual appropriations bills that manu talked about the other thing that we heard when it comes to action in the senate is from president biden, just a few moments ago, he was in brownsville, texas >> talking about the southern border, the crisis happening there. he called on the senate actually to reconsider that bipartisan bill that had been negotiated, which was not just about foreign aid, but also on

the southern border as well. is that something that you good support? >> i would wholeheartedly support that, you know, i've been sort of left at the altar three different times now on border security and immigration work in the senate in 2013, we actually passed a big bill that had 68 votes only to see republicans in the house refused to put it on the floor, even though it had the votes to pass. we're now facing a similar dynamic where donald trump would rather have an issue than solve a problem. and that's what scared many of my republican colleagues away from the negotiating table. but we have a very good product that would really address the fundamental problems we have in the asylum law that are leading to the challenges that we're facing across the border? >> no, it would tighten a lot of those asylum laws and president biden saying there would even give him the authority to shut down the border if the crossings hit a certain point. the other thing that bill hadn't it was aid

for ukraine crane and i was just in kyiv speaking with president zelenskyy about how dire they need that aid. he said that, yes, they will suffer setbacks on the battlefield, that it will increase, increase russia's chances of winning this war if they don't get more aid. and last night we were talking to your colleague on the republican side of the aisle, senator mitt romney, about what happens if if ukraine doesn't get that aid. i want you to listen to what he told me i was just in ukraine sitting down with president zelenskyy. they are deeply worried that your colleagues in the house, republicans in the house aren't going to send them any more aid that they are going to stand in the way i mean, what responsibility do you believe republicans will bear for setbacks on the battlefield for ukraine if they don't pass any more aid, >> well, if we don't pass aid for ukraine then i think ukraine has a very difficult time for serving their geographic integrity and a life you're going to have a lot of people who lose their life as russia runs across ukraine. and

that will make it very clear to people around the world that you really can't trust america because we're >> do you agree with that, that that it'll tell people and other countries that they can't trust the united states >> i wholeheartedly agree with everything mitt romney said there. this will embolden putin. it will embolden other adversaries around the world. and we have a very simple choice we can support our allies in ukraine, or you will see russia continue to move and after ukraine were talking about countries that are in nato, countries like poland, we have a treaty responsibility to not just support those countries with arms and financial support, but with our actual seoul soldiers. so i can't stress just how incredibly important it is for the house to take up this ukrainian aid package >> senate minority leader mitch mcconnell announced yesterday that he's stepping down from republican leadership. obviously, i know that you already democrat, but, but he

is someone who has pushed for aid to ukraine. he's been a voice against what, what part of his party certainly the maga side of his party hit his wanted on ukraine aid, which is no more funding and no more aid to them. the fact that he's stepping down and we're seeing comments like from the house freedom caucus, obviously over the house it's calling him the co majority leader, mitch mcconnell, implying that he's more in line with democrats and republicans and said no need to wait till november to replace him, that they should immediately elect a republican minority leader. obviously, mitch mcconnell's a lifelong republican and has helped stack the supreme court with three trump justices, but will get to that later. but i wonder what you think the next republican leader in the senate will look like. and if you have any concerns about that, i think it's a very open question and depending on who comes the next majority, minority leader for the republicans? will determine the tenor of the senate. and

we've already seen these extreme maga elements in the house and how they have made it impossible for a republican speaker to pass even the most basic procedural moves forward like a rule, which is necessary to pass a law you could see that sort of things seep into the senate and that would be i just think it would bode very poorly for governance and for being able to do the basic minimums of governance. >> so you think it will, it could fundamentally change how the institution itself works. >> it's certainly could, and i think though will be a debate within the republican caucus about whether they want a leader who can navigate, who can compromise, or whether they want a leader who just wants to make a point continuously senator, thank you so much for joining us today. >> thanks for adding me. >> and we give the senate and just a few hours, i'm going to speak with senator bernie sanders, the independent senator from vermont. his thoughts on what's happening in gaza and more that will air

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gaza says that more than 110 people have been killed at least 760 injured after israeli forces opened fire sure causing aid trucks to run people over. the idf, giving starkly different account saying that their troops opened fire, but most were killed or injured from a stampede. several hundred yards away. that contradicts what one eyewitness told cnn about how all this chaos unfolded i should note, cnn cannot independently confirm this figures for more of what we do know, cnn's jeremy diamond has this report on the deadly incident that has many questioning what this impact, what impact this could have on a potential ceasefire >> around four in the morning, thousands of palestinians are already camped out by the coastal road in western gaza. city. humanitarian aid trucks are reportedly on route. a rarity in northern gaza are hundreds of thousands are now on the brink of famine as the convoy passes in israeli military checkpoint and enters

gaza city hundreds desperate for food swarmed the trucks as seen in this drone video released by the israeli military. many climb onto the trucks, grabbing what they can when suddenly the israeli military opens fire, killing and wounding about 20 people in the crowd, according to local journalist khader al zaanoun, who was on the scene pandemonium ensues as people run away, eye witnesses say the truck drivers speed off killing dozens more people. the palestinian ministry of health says at least 104 people were killed altogether, and more than 700 injured. cnn is unable to independently confirm those numbers the israeli military acknowledges its troops shot people near the convoy, but says the gunfire was unrelated and came after people were already killed in a stampede. >> in a second event in a short

distance away, we also had a group of people that approached the military forces in a war zone the force opened fire in the air to distance them, wanting fire in order to get people out of harm's way unfortunately, they proceeded to advance. and indeed their perceived threat and the forces opened fire. of course, i will say we're continuing to investigate, continuing to inquire and after actions, activities, that account contradicted by eyewitnesses who say israeli gunfire triggered the mass panic. >> our children die of hunger. they went to get a bag of flour in order to be by children somewhere we've run over, others were shot. so they send us that these ratings can keep shooting at our children. this is wrong. this is not right. this is not right >> the latest victims killed on a day when the death toll in gaza surpassed 30,000. according to the palestinian ministry of health a majority of whom are women and children

more may soon die of starvation as the world food program warns that more than half 1 million gazans are on the brink of famine. >> we are talking about a man-made famine because we have a kind of totally blockers for the people weren't living in the north. there is not even enough of animal food and it folder for people to eat or to do bread with animal fodder. >> that desperation brought tamar out to ocean buried to that coastal road early thursday morning. >> but i have you been able to ask is he when to get a bit of bread, a bag of flour for his family, displaced that the schools in jabalya camp. >> now he >> lies dead, >> killed while trying to survive and kaitlan the critical backdrop to all of this? are those ongoing negotiations to try and obtain a temporary ceasefire in gaza. this incident, of course, highlights the need for that

ceasefire to get more aid into gaza, but it could also impact those negotiations today, president biden saying that he is certain that it will impact act those talks. and a senior hamas member this evening offering a warning saying that they will not allow these negotiations to become a cover for what they call the continued crimes against our people, kaitlan jeremy diamond in tel aviv. thank you for that report. >> and just >> into the lead, the air national guardsman, who is accused of posting classified documents online. now expected to plead guilty according to what a source tells cnn, you'll remember 20 year-old jack teixeira. he was charged with six counts of willful retention and transmission of classified information russian prosecutors say that he posted classified documents on social media, including eavesdropping on key allies and adversaries. and information about the state of the war in ukraine to share has been in federal custody since last april and is facing decades in prison if he's convicted also tonight, how we

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>> a biden fan. >> i don't think he's gotten appropriate credit for the things he has done >> what conversations with friends? and students have malinconico wishing the president settled for just one term. >> i think there are people who will not vote for him or sit it out because they perceive his age as a potential problem and forgiving when the president says he recently spoke to a foreign leader who died years ago, he hasn't the history of gaffes, but i also think that as we age we do tend to mix things up a little bit >> mickey brown is west point class of 1966. >> we tried to stay as active as possible. he plays tennis, >> pickleball, and senior softball to stay sharp, my wife his wife though, has dementia we can lives in a care home thereby, i believe in jesus and god. i think it keeps me strong and i'll be fine. >> brown is a conservative and two-time trump voter. insist though this view of president biden is born of experience,

not politics, carrying for my wife, i see certain things the way his mannerisms that make me wonder if he is really in fact the president trump, several years younger than biden, but people have raised the same question. you raised some concerns that you've seen biden that you say, well, i've lived that do you see any of that a trump? well, i was just at on january 31, at times, i forget something that comes back. but i'm fit. i have confidence in myself i just think the difference between the two are enough me to be more concerned about mr. biden going forward than mr. trump shoulders opening, chest opening. pat levin is 94? yes, 94. and that pilates. >> it's important for to keep me vertical judge, i need all the help i can get. >> h she says is not the dominant issue among most of her friends. >> they're terrified about

what might happen if joe biden doesn't want terrified. >> why >> what will happen to this democracy we hear political pundits talking all the time, but biden's age, trump's age. it's fascinating to hear from voters themselves who are of similar ages, if not older listen, they know what it's like to mix up names, to forget things, to have memories. they know what it's like to not be able to move as quickly as before. so it's interesting to get their perspective on watching the president, but to be clear, it also breaks down along partisan lines, just like any voters, if people are republicans, they said to tend to say biden is too old and trump's fine. the democrats like to say, biden's okay. and i don't like donald trump the interesting part, which several of the democrats even biden fans do say in conversations with some of their friends who are in their '60s, in their '70s, in their '80s, some of their friends are worried about it. they do say that, so that's worth watching. and this is just it's a critical place in the commonwealth of pennsylvania and it's a critical constituency. hillary clinton lost voters over 65 by ten points to donald trump in

2016, she lost northampton county, she lost pennsylvania, and she lost the presidency joe biden also lost senior citizens those over 65, but only by seven points in pennsylvania, close races and one on the margins. right. so you don't have to win a voting bloc. but sometimes if you can lose it by a smaller margin, as joe biden didn't 2021 north hampton county won pennsylvania, and he is the precedent. so they're worth watching through november. >> absolutely. it's great to hear you talk to them, john, i know you'll have much more of that tonight on ac360 at 08:00 p.m. eastern. here you'll hear more of those conversations on what the voters themselves think. also here on the lead, donald trump does not have every elected republican in congress by his side. and a critical election finnair the two reasons that one key republican senator told me that he is unwilling to vote for the president of the former president of his party come november vegas story of sin city. sunday at ten on cnn >> or throat that you're used the next institutes or throat

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underway at the moment, as president biden is now trying to take advantage of what happened on the hill where house republicans sunk that bipartisan agreement in the senate that would in part address what's happening on the border meanwhile, former president trump there stoking fears about migrants while blaming the present for what's happening in illegal border crossings joining me now is republican strategists lee carter and former democratic congressman max rose. so let's talk about what we saw on the border today, because obviously it's this kind of split screen political moment. i think what it clearly is is a recognition from both of them that this is going to be a huge issue. but when you hear trump's remarks today, going after this, but he's also going same thing instead, he has about the border of war that aren't true. talking about other governments that are always unnamed, dumping their jails and menstrual institutions, sending those people across the border the border is a legitimate issues. why does he have to also make up lies that go in his speech to inflame this issue. >> i mean maybe he doesn't

think he's lying. maybe he think he's just talking big. i don't know. he's >> he has this way of rhetoric. i don't want to justify it. i'm not saying that he's not he talks big. he talks a big game and he's talking to what people are really afraid of right now. he pumps them up and it just makes them more and more afraid and more and more excited about his candidacy. and it just wouldn't even >> though some of what he says is not true, i mean, you could just talk about the numbers themselves and say, you know, this is an issue, this is at issue, and those would all be true and legitimate things. but instead, he also adds it, you know, that they're speaking languages that we've never heard of, which i'm not even sure what that showing i'm not sure what to do, but at the end of the day, i think most people just hear bits of it. they look at him and they say 92% of republicans look at him and think he's going to do a better job on the border than joe biden is. they think he's the one that came up with a solution that joe biden has thrown away and they believe what he's putting out there and independence a lot of them are buying when he's sailing to a lot of people in the independent side, 74%

disapprove of joe biden's handling of the border, and they also think that donald trump would handle it better. but when you do see these kinds of speeches today, let you saw today, you can't help but wonder, is it going to work? is going to last because we've been hearing about donald trump for the last two-and-a-half years, not directly from him. now, we're hearing directly from him and it's a reminder of a little bit it's a lot to handle. well, on that issue. i mean, this is something in the gallup poll that was just done when they asked americans, what is your number one issue right now, 28%, which was the most in the poll, said that immigration is their number one concern. obviously the economy is also on there inflation. you can see how it ranks, but immigration is number one. i mean the white house clearly recognizes that president biden is at the border for the first time in 13 months. what do you make of what you heard from president biden today? >> we'll look. of course, everyone's recognizing it. and i think that that's why the president and is there. and i think that's of course why donald trump is there and talking about it, show frequently but it's fascinating to see the juxtaposition of both of their speeches literally at the same time

donald trump is talking in that same language, the language that you referenced, it's laced with xenophobia and is completely absent of any solutions, certainly any that would be moral and retain the solid parody of this nation that is part of the reason why we're the best country in the world meanwhile, what biden is doing is going back to his core competency, his core strength, which is as a leader of bipartisan solutions that i would never say particularly in the presence of a great pollster that polls don't matter. but what i would say is that poles in february and march are certainly not going to be representative of where that data will be during an election time, right in the weeks and days up to an election. and this will have a significant impact on where people shift in their sentiment. >> you mentioned independently, and i think there's a moment where you hear from some republicans, even who, who liked donald trump's policies. i mean, he is pledging to carry out the biggest deportation in us history. he claims, even

though he deported fewer people than president obama did when he was actually in the white house. but he has all of these pretty extreme immigration policies that he is pledging to put in place that some republicans would probably like to see but when you talk to some of the including mitt romney, obviously, no fan of donald trump's. we spoke last night. he said that he agrees with trump on some of his policies, but he won't be voting for him in november. and this is why would you vote for donald trump over joe biden? >> no. no, no, absolutely not. >> for me. there there are two factors are decided who i want have as the leader of my country and the person who is the example of the president for my kids, my grandkids one is there a position at policies and on foreign policy that aligned with donald trump, at least as i understand his policy and domestic policy yeah. line with many of his domestic policies but there's another dimension besides policy. and that's character and i think what america is as a nation, what is allowed us to be the most powerful nation on earth and the leader of the earth is the character of the

people who have been our leaders, past presidents, but also mothers, fathers, church leaders, university presidents, and so forth. having a president who is so defaulted of character would have an enormous impact on the character of america. and for me that's the primary consideration. >> so defaulted of character that it would have an enormous impact on the character of america. >> and there's about 30% of republicans who agree with them on that. and you see that most of them are voting for nikki haley right now. some might say that it's about 40% of republicans that agree with him there's a lot of people say, i mean desantis tried to tap in this whole idea that'll be trump without the chaos. a lot of people agree with him and i think there's there's a big problem that he's going to have in the general election. you look at the republican primary, very different situation than when you look at what's going to happen in november. but the bottom line is there's so many issues that trump wins on, and so many issues that biden wins on and biden isn't very, very popular even with his own base. he doesn't have strong support. people vote for or support for

him about 30, 30% of them are enthusiastic supporters, whereas 82% of trump supporters are super enthusiastic about supporting him and feel like he cares about people like them. and it's a very different, it's a very different dynamic. but i think what what mitt romney has said is exactly how about a third of republicans feel? >> i mean, it's remarkable to hear a republican senator, someone who was once the republican nominee for president, say that about now the front runner of the republican party arguably the leader of the republican party if that is something that president biden struggles to compete with the voters who may preferred trump on the issues and be willing to overlook that. i mean, what does that say about how democrats have handled trump? >> well, first of all, over the course of the coming months, you're going to see the biden campaign very rightfully. so remind the american people of what exactly the trump presidency was like. most people. and you said this earlier. i mean, piedmont romney might have just cut them and add in people, people have forgotten about the chaos. they've forgotten about the divisiveness, the vitriol, and

the competency. and so that's why a lot of this data won't really play out. now, no one should ever underestimate donald trump's political strengths, particularly as it pertains to turn it out, his base and turning out voters in rural america who are not regular voters. that's why trump will often beat a poll, right? because you're breaking down the normal projected electorate. but with that being said, though, voters for biden are really, really motivated by two things. >> one a resolute belief in biden's accomplishments. biden's agenda, and also an absolute hatred for donald trump's, you're going to see extraordinarily motivated voters on both sides. this will of course be a close election, but there's real weaknesses to the data, right now >> and only time will tell >> time will indeed tell maybe about eight months from now, max rose lee carter. thank you both for being here. and of course, also today, just days after record, warm weather passed across the united

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