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a few important things there. he was the guy who played footsie with white nationalists after charlottesville donald trump was the guy who had to be asked over and over again to distance himself from david duke, the literal grand wizard of the klu klux klan, and the actual trump's sales pitch to black voters was even simpler than that biden bad trump, good >> and i'm thrilled to be here tonight where it's crooked. joe biden's absolutely worst nightmare, hundreds of proud black, conservative american he shouldn't be doing well because honestly they've done a lousy job for you. they've done a lousy job for you. they've been then allows the job for everybody, but for black americans, they have done a very poor job if you want strong borders, safe neighborhoods, rising wages, good jobs, great education, and the return of the american

dream. then congratulations, you are a republican. it's pretty set trump says that he's not going to take the black vote for granted. he says, under the last four years of his presidency, he achieved the lowest african-american unemployment rate ever recorded. but it turns out that's not true. the all-time low for black unemployment was set by, you guessed it, joe biden in april of 2023, at 4.8 percentage points and trump also added this >> unlike racist joe biden, i've spent my entire life working hand-in-hand with black americans to create jobs, build buildings invest in our communities. i want to tell you a black worker is a great work >> all right, well, let's put aside treating black people like a monolith, which he did over and over again. donald trump's career has been marked by a detailed history of

racism. he was sued in the 1970s for housing discrimination based on race. he settled that suit and trump also gave a pretty stunning reason for why he says black voters like him now i got indicted for nothing for something that is nothing and a lot of people said that that's why the black people like because they have been hurt so badly and just discriminated against >> i want to start with republican strategist shermichael singleton, along with former communications director for vice president harris, and former senior adviser to house speaker nancy pelosi, ashley etienne >> are with you? ashley? >> thank you >> i think. he's defendants. party in the head of that trump being indicted multiple times makes him simpatico with black people in this country is what? >> i mean, here's the thing i'm i couldn't be more and i

am going to take the privilege of speaking for all the black people, couldn't be more offended by that statement. and i just find it very rich. and here's the other thing. i just him saying black the way that he did, it just felt mocking in some sense. but here's, here's, here's, there's an added emphasis. yeah. i mean, just the emphasis on the be but, but here's the, here's a row. reality is, you know, trump can try to pander to black folks while insulting us at the same time and the same breath. but, you know black folks aren't like any other voter and voters really want to know at the end of the day, what have you done for me lately and if you and that's where joe biden actually has the advantage to your 0.4% unemployment among african-americans, 14% when trump was president, joe biden, create 15 million jobs. just can't that's a $1 billion in student loan debts, which really is going to set up a lot of black folks to create

generational wealth. and that's what it boils down to this to me is just as pandering it's it's it's it's at its worse. but it's not going to have a major impact shermichael, you know, the person who started this organization that trump is speaking at, is this what he had in mind when he created a space? and let's be honest, there are black conservatives. yeah, there needs to be black conservatives, but is this what he had in mind when he created this space? >> i mean, look i think that african americans do have some dislikes about the current iteration of things politically speaking, trump >> mentioned immigration issue. we've all seen videos and clips out of chicago, out of new york city i just talked about that on jake's you a couple of days ago. >> so there's some points of contention there i do also think that there's some points of contention with black men in particular. and democrats have actually acknowledges that they recognize they need to work

harder with black men. now am i saying that we're going to see a plethora of black men, all of a sudden voting for donald trump beyond the 12% he received in 2020. that's not what i'm saying, but what i am saying is that any decrease in black men in key states like georgia, perhaps pennsylvania, these are key battleground states that president biden won by very slim margins in 2020. that decrease could somehow give trump some level of a mathematical advantage. >> but i mean, there's all of that and then there's what trump said. and did tonight. i want to play it just one more know as a bit of what trump said tonight >> god >> these lights are so bright in my eyes that i can't see too many people out there. >> but >> i can only see the black ones. i can't see any white ones. you see. that's how far i've come that's how far i've come >> a long. that's a long way >> we've come a long way to

get it. >> i mean, i've been i don't even know what that means. >> waiting for him to throw gold sneakers until the sneakers speaking of gold sneakers. i mean, this is part of the conversation here. this from trump i saw conservative complaining about biden going and doing that video with black folks twitter's and eating a meal with them. the kids were eating fried chicken. they call that pandering is any of this all of this pandering is this the right way to reach black voters in general? >> well, i mean, there's no doubt that there's, >> there's a clear problem. the party, democratic party is having a problem with gently in the enthused because he hasn't gap among black male voters in particular, there's new york times article not too long ago poll that showed that donald trump's polling at 22% with black male voters were black voters. and that set off alarms, obviously within the party. but here's what i am seeing. i've met with a party.

we had a debrief about what lessons learned from 2020. i was in the war room and we were bleeding black male voters 30 days out from the election part of what we saw then, i don't think the party is quite yet ready to confront and any sort of robust way. i mean, the strategies is quite antiquated. they're putting $25 million on television and then these ads with the president sitting down having dinner, that's an antiquated strategy that issue really is that disinformation is disproportionately targeted to black voters, as well as youth voters. and that's what we saw dating all the way back to the 2016 election, us intelligence agencies are saying it's going to only get worse this cycle ai is only i'm going to compound the situation with these deep fakes. so the concern is that the party for me is that the parties not really ready to deal with this issue. you can try to address it on the margins with these types of these dinners and these ads and $25 million on television. but the reality is the problem is in our feeds is the corrosion

within our feeds that were not ready but he had to address a quick last word to you. yeah. i mean, look, i think that black men have legitimate concerns. i have concerns about the state of the economy. they have concerns about economic leverage, and they don't see those answers coming from democrats. and so trump is making the message. again, it doesn't mean that we're going to see 30% of black, but all of a sudden become a republicans. but what it does mean is that donald trump this tapping into something that i don't think we can ignore >> we'll see how it works out forum shermichael singleton, ashley etienne. thank you both very much. and also tonight, it's joe biden, unplugged, but you won't see scranton joe unfiltered unless you have fistfuls of cash to finance his campaign. now, this biden fundraiser, joe is a lot more raw than the president that you see every day gone. are those carefully choreographed moments and they're replaced with unscripted, unfiltered, and sometimes unwisely timed comments that could advisers heartburn. now, wednesday required a whole lot of antacid

over at the white house, biden was in san francisco. he went on multiple rifts during some fundraisers on putin. biden called him, quote, a crazy sob. it's a comment for which the kremlin wants a grand gesture of apology on trump, biden railed on his rivals, attempts to turn alexey navalny's death into a campaign rally and cry hi, quote, he's comparing himself to navalny and saying that because our country's become a communist country, he was persecuted just like navalny was persecuted where the hell does this come from? if i stood here ten to 15 years ago and said all of this you'd all think i should be committed. and other republicans, he has to work with in congress. he was pretty unsparing. i've served with real racists. he said, i've served with strom thurmond these guys are worse. and tonight was no exception. biden was again behind closed doors this time, he was with dolan there's in silicon valley and he gave an unvarnished take on this migrant mess the border is

in chaos, is what he said on the republicans in congress. he added, republican senators have common told him that they can't work with him because there'll be all be primaried. now, if you're wondering why you don't hear this, joe biden every day it's a good question, especially because biden has a pattern of saying what he really means when it's an audience of the rich and famous. and when there are no cameras allowed, by the way so as an example, back in december, he said he wasn't sure he'd be running if donald trump wasn't running or in october in 2022 when he casually we warned of armageddon with russia, were in june when he fueled an international rift by calling china's president a dictator. now that very same month at a different fundraiser, biden said roe versus wade. got it right. but added quote, i'm not big on abortion in august 2022 when he likened maga philosophy to semi-fascism. it's comments like that last one that can run biden straight into trouble,

just ask hillary clinton. in 2016, clinton learned the hard way that there's no cone of silence at these fundraisers. when she called trump's supporters deplorables while raising cash over in new york. mitt romney also knows the pain of believing that you're in a safe space and discovering suddenly that you're not 47% of the overhaul for the president their 47% were with him who are blind believe that their victims the government has a responsibility to care for them who believed that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing >> turned to me now, michael moore, he's an oscar winning filmmaker and author and host of the podcast rumble with michael moore. he was also born, raised and still lives in the state of michigan. michael, thanks for staying up with us tonight now, there are obviously pros and cons of being unfiltered in these

fundraisers. but do you think that biden needs to be more honest, more scranton, you could say in public i think most people appreciate his honesty. i remember the first time i met him. is that the 2004 democratic convention in boston? and i cannot repeat on this kind of network of the things he said >> but only >> because he spoke like, you speak when you're from a flint or detroit toward a scranton and it was so refreshing to medium for the first time to hear him speak that way >> so no, i think >> when people are dictators and he calls them dictators, when they're sobs, their sobs, he says it, that's great. the honesty part that i wish that i'm really feeling it and i know your producer so we might talk about this a little bit in a few minutes. but the honesty part really has to be to his

conscience, into himself and what's going on with gaza and the funding of yahoo and hugging them and all this you know, as i guess i'm a recovering catholic at this point, but joe biden, he's one of the few presidents in my lifetime that actually, when they went to church, like the he means it jimmy carter was like that. i think. but very few presidents i think, i think he does mean it. and i'm just if i had a chance to talk to digital biden the first thing i want to ask him is what you still go to mass i mean, what's going on here? why are you participating? something that's killing civilians and children and 30,000 now, dead it just but >> let me ask me about that, michael. i do want to talk exactly about this issue because we have seen michigan voters where you're from, say that they're not going to vote

for biden because of how he's handled this war i mean they want to see change from biden, but biden is dealing with a foreign policy issue that is beyond this next election. do you think that this dissatisfaction is going to hurt biden significantly come november or will these voters change their mind when it's biden against donald trump? >> well i don't think anybody who nobody i know certainly voted for biden three years ago almost four years ago. it's changed their mind and believed that they made a mistake and they're going to vote for donald trump. that's not going to happen. what's going to happen possibly in the danger to biden here is that people remember 70% of the electorate now is either women, people of color, or young people between the ages of 18.35. that's 70%

of the voters. >> and >> 22 offend and upset group that supported you back in 2020, especially young people. >> i mean you know i i've been saying this, this month that he's going to cost himself the election. he's going to if >> trump has any chance, it's that the decision that he's made to embrace slaughter carpet bombing incubator babies and incubators. dead because they cut off the electricity on and on and on. and this is an i think joe biden somewhere confused the fact that of course the majority of americans we'll do anything to protect our jewish brothers and sisters no matter where they're asked and i would say a majority of americans support

israel and i would say practically all of us want those hostages released right now. >> so >> what the heat somehow conflated that with a bibi netanyahu is some friend of mine. i'm here for you. i'm going to fly in the plane right away, come over there a big hug. give me a thumbs up. >> do >> what you got to do, and it has caused a slaughter like nothing that we have seen and >> it's would you describe what you're saying there? i mean, would you describe israel's campaign in gaza as a genocide? >> well, you know, that word means different things that different people i would i would say that anytime you single out a group of people and you have what's called a mass a guilt that you impose on them simply because they are in this case, palestinian and now

you're just going to randomly and use another quote from one of biden's fundraisers that kicked got out that he said privately he said this is indiscriminate bombing. that's going on in discriminant bombing. >> that's right. that is exactly right. so when you indiscriminately bomb a group of people simply because of the color of their skin, because of their religion, because of their heritage or whatever. that is a form of genocide and it's, it's, you know, it pains me and i think a lot of people even empty use that because we grew up in the years right after world war ii. i was born. i don't want eight years plus after the holocaust, after the last camps were liberated. so that's was in our heads as little kids and i think we all grew up with this on your that this must never happen again, and we must stand for the jewish people for that to be turned in, used by people who

are in netanyahu's case like trump awaiting trial on various indictments, felonious indictments, fraud, bribery, et cetera and then, and then and then netanyahu uses this as a way to avoid the criminality >> of his administration it's so disgusting and so sick and i look, most israelis know this anyways, you've seen the polls, 82% of israelis want netanyahu gone you know, he did not protect them. that was his one most important job. protect the people pulled the army back from the gazan border sent them off to the lebanese border, sent them off to the west bank. and how many people in their homes in their safe rooms shuttered losing their minds because they're going to be

killed any minute by the hamas attackers. and some people, as you've reported here then we're in there for 14 hours, 16 hours, waiting for help. where was the hell? >> yes. i mean, it was certainly i mean, there's so many questions about i mean, obviously what you're raising there. and as you pointed out, and we've pointed out on this show, it's clear as most people know that netanyahu, while this war is going on, won't face accountability for that. but michael, we have a lot more to talk to you about. i want you to stand by for us. i do want to ask you about the breaking news tonight that someone who you're particularly familiar with, the former head of the nra has been found guilty of corruption, plus more republicans, including donald trump are speaking out against a ban on ivf. i will speak with seven of the nation's eight female democratic senators about all of that. and for us, because

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>> we're back now with michael moore. michael tonight, a jury found that the former nra chief, wayne lapierre, he's guilty of using the group's funds to finance a high-flying lifestyle and other corrupt practice practice's it's grift at the highest level. what's your reaction to what this means for the future of this organization >> well, i think they've been on the slope downhill now for some time >> this is >> you know, when you think about the blood on the hands of the nra and there's support over the years for allowing anybody to buy any gun at any time anywhere and divide as many of them as they want that were the majority of americans don't agree with that. that whole country has changed their minds about this, about the second amendment. they know that we, the people not going to tolerate this anymore. 72% of americans do not own a gun don't want to own a gun you

know, people and other countries. they don't think we're a nation of gun nuts, but the truth is, we're not it's just a few and it's just a real small percentage that own a majority of those guns. so what wayne and his people did for so many years was to make sure every time that there was a school shooting, sandy hook, parkland, whatever that they came right out and in doubled and tripled down and their support of you being able to carry any weapon that you want anywhere. >> and i'm telling you those days are over. it's only a matter of time and i think myself and others who are continuing to work on this issue are going to see good results in the years ahead >> you don't, >> there's all let me add something to the way you began the show tonight with trump's comments tonight about biden being racist. i just want to point out, especially the younger people were what might

be listening to this. in 1973 the justice department brought charges against fred trump. trump's father, and trump himself, who was 26, 27 years old at the time, working for his dad is dad was getting ready to turn the business over. the trump family owned thousands of apartments in new york city the justice department focused on 3,700 apartments. they took one swap of brooklyn, queens or wherever it was, and they discovered that of the 3,700 apartments in brooklyn and queens, only seven black families did they rent an apartment to seven out of 3,700? now, how did they figure out how to do that? because the people in their office when you went there to rent an apartment in new york city, if you were black, they'd let you fill out the forum. and when they left, the person in the office, put a big sea on top, standing for a term that they used to use for

black americans and that's how they were able to know, don't rent to this family how the seven got through the seven families that did get an apartment. you know, my feeling is always been their name must have been pit be buren or something something where the trump family just said, oh no, they're not they're not solid name like that. a good german name, good british name. now, they got away with this and they had been this way the entire time. they are the oh, of a modern new york city style of racism that you can go all the way back into fred trump's years >> there. >> you broke the shoulder of this. >> there is there is for trump himself, as we pointed out, quite a long history, you you could go all the way back to 1970 or you could go back you know, seven months, whichever one you choose, there's there's a lot there. >> michael moore >> thank you for your time tonight. we appreciate it

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this election season, and i sat down with seven of the nation's eight democratic female governors >> for a wide ranging conversation on everything from abortion to concerns about president biden's age. >> watch governors, great to see you all here. obviously, we've got an election. give me one word. that tells me what you think is going to be the defining issue of this election? >> on the national level i i have no doubt that is going to be women's reproductive rights. it was going to be that, you know, before this week. but now with the ruling in alabama on ivf i think it's just expanded people's concerns about this is real. this is really hitting home for so many people. >> this is republicans trying to weaponize women's rights. again, a republican women, we saw this in the election of special election in new york, just weaken a half ago that

republican seat was won by a democrat because the candidate, tom suozzi, leaned hard into abortion, even a state like new york, people took it for granted when i ran for office two years ago, people said, why is she talking about abortion? because it's going to be safe. this is a blue state. but guess what? when you have someone running for president? talking about a national ban. and now we know that they're not going after this medication, abortions, but also ivf. there's no stopping them. so you're absolutely right that it would it's comes to taking back congress and the presidential election this is something that's going to mobilize women like you've never seen before. >> donald trump is talking about according to the new york times, being in favor of a 16 ban on abortion, what are democrats prepared to do? >> well first of all, we need to protect our right at the state-level to have what we need, right. and that was i don't like where we are nationally, but we all were told the states get to, to find this. that is changing daily,

right? so we need to stand up in our states, whether it's stockpiling mifepristone or making sure we have the providers we need. >> it's not just the courts that are saying this. are you worried that at the national level there will be an attempt to enshrine some of this stuff as well. >> there's a concern, obviously about this rhetoric and what it means. alabama supreme court this week, essentially taking away ivf, in its state. it's a dangerous moment when there are those kinds of rulings from courts and also those kinds of pronouncements from people running for office >> republican women don't agree with the dobbs decision. many republican women, i know independent women don't agree with the dobbs decision, but he made that happen and now we're living in the class were on the front lines of protecting women from other states. i mean, new mexico is leaning in to making sure women in oklahoma and texas and nevada have safe harbor in our state for comprehensive, we're talking

about basic health care in reproductive rights and abortion care and aftercare, it's outrageous and the longer it takes for women to get to states where were the last bastion of their freedoms and their health care choices the more damaging and dangerous this rhetoric i agree with you about hey, ban or any context that limits your individual rate. >> i talked to my team about our laws and i said, are we allowed to use our shield laws which we enacted after dobbs to protect anyone from prosecution who may be involved in an abortion in another state. can they come can women who want to have birth by and if pregnancy by in vitro come to new york state or bring the embryos with them. and we say yes, yes, you'll be your rights we protected in a state like new york, but my god, women who don't have a lot of money the cost of the traveling to get an abortion, to get in vitro fertilization this should not be a nation of haves and

have-nots for the women, depending on the geographic boundaries of your state, >> governor kelly, i'm gonna give you the last word on this topic. in your state. a red state your constituents voted to protect abortion rights what should we understand about how this issue of ivf, for example, how that is being interpreted by people who live in a state like yours well, we came out what, two years ago. very strong. 60% of the folks protecting a woman's right to choose after our supreme court had said it is constitutional, he state of kansas i wasn't released bit surprised, quite honestly. i mean, i've been elected in this state now twice. and it's because, you know, kansans are very informal, thoughtful, like everybody else, people and you when something so extreme as presented you know, they're going to show themselves for who they are. >> the economy is the top issue

for voters out there inflation is coming down. it's the longest streak of a decrease in the unemployment rate since the 1960s however, the monmouth university poll says a third of americans say that they are benefiting from this economy >> why >> is it that? you, know governor hobbs the president is not able to convince voters that this is a good economy and that they are benefiting. >> i think it's up to us to help convince to make that case to voters in our state. i mean, arizona has been hit pretty hard by inflation, largely driven by our housing costs and we're taking direct action to work to bring those housing costs down. so arizonans aren't priced out of their homes. >> governor lujan grisham, 60% of independent voters disagree with president biden's handling of the economy. what's going on there >> well, i think a lot of it is we're in a republican primary. and so all the noise and all of

the media is really focused on that primary and so they're hammering every day that this is a bad economy and it's false. and when you hear something once, twice, three times, it becomes normalized for you. and i think that you're going to see a huge shift in the way the country is feeling when we're seeing record wage growth in the country. >> i want to get to one of the elephants in the room here in this election, i guess maybe it's not an elephant anymore because people are talking about it. that's the president's age. 67% of registered voters, 46% of democrats say president biden is too old to effectively serve another four years according to a quinnipiac poll, he will be 86 by the end of his second term. so what should president biden be doing governor kelly, for example, to convince voters

that this should not be something that is top of mind for them. i'll just as a data point, president biden has done fewer news conferences than his predecessors at this point in his presidency. should that change, should he be doing more? >> well i don't know that news conferences is going to change. people's perceptions. i mean, i think what we've got to do is get people to recognize the accomplishments of the administration and you know, it's not all joe biden, you know, it's the team joe biden has put around. it. that's for all of us none of us can do all of this alone. and joe biden recognizes that i'll take joe buying it at over a donald trump at 25 or 30, any day of the week, it's the policies pope francis is 87 years old, nobody is calling on him to quit that i know of. i'm gonna go see the rolling stones and another month or so down foxborough. mick jagger is 80 years old. he's dancing like a fool single, like a crazy man still. bob dylan's, we're at

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illegally, would you support something like that? >> i support getting something done about immigration patient and the fact that i was leading immigration reform work as the chair of this van at caucus and congress changes that congress won't get it done. so it's going to have to be a compromise. i want to see that we've got work opportunities for people who are seeking a better life under the constitutional protections, we got a lot of folks who were saying no, who don't live at the border and have no idea about these issues. >> well, governor hobbs i mean, as a border state governor, you've said at the national guard down to the border, when you hear that president biden might prevent people who cross the border illegally from seeking asylum and effort to reduce the flow is that what you're looking for? >> we need something and we are dealing with decades of inaction from both republican and democratic administrations. and now certainly congress for

refusing to pass this bipartisan legislation that was presented americans want sanity and an end to the lawlessness at the border. >> there's eight democratic female governors, seven are seated in front of me. i just say governor whitmer would have been here, but she's with the vice president when her home state i think it was governor healey. you call this a sorority what is it like? what what's what's the, what's the group chat like? >> well no, it's a dream team. it's fantastic at the end of the day, we're on the front lines and our state delivering for families growing our economies, doing the work and to be able to have conversations with one another in this country. so is the group >> chat top secret. >> what group chat >> i mean, we i think it is

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