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doesn't look much like someone may have committed treason, does she? but the big question is, why was she arrested? well, the number might surprise you. it's all over, apparently $51.80 think about that for, a second $51 that's how much she's accused of donating to a ukrainian charity right here in the united states, according to a statement from her employer, is spot or hotel in beverly hills. now, russia's federal security service, the fsb says that she was arrested for vote providing financial assistance to a foreign stayed in activities directed against russia, security. her boyfriend saying this is cnn tonight she's so full of life, she needs to be at this here. the sensory needs to be with a french. she needs to live life because she loves life. i do believe that america will bring it back to me well president

biden at a fundraiser and san francisco tonight called vladimir putin and i'm quoting him here, a crazy sob say department saying they're aware of the karelina attention, but they have not yet been granted consular access. >> to her. >> joining me now is douglas london, a retired cia officer and the author of the recruiter spying and the lost art of american intelligence. douglas. this does read like a spy novel of sorts for one thinks it's gone every different direction. >> just connective tissue. it's >> latimer putin and beyond and how much danger could she be in right now? >> i think it's unfortunate that president putin feels fairly comfortable right now. things are going his way. so there's not a lot of leverage to really be used against him. his war efforts have had some successes here. he's had the achievements of his disinformation campaign, working in further polarizing the american public. we have the recent story of the informant for the fbi, who apparently was peddling more russian disinformation. i mean,

the rich and tucker carlson interview. so i think the timing is not inconsistent with him effect is quite consistent that when he feels more comfortable, he's going to take these types of actions and he'll continue to do so. as long as it pays benefits, what would be the bet if you've got evan gershkovich, right? you've got paul whelan, you've now got this person who is in custody following the protests and vigils for navalny. there are now hundreds apparently, and people who are detained as well what is the endgame here? >> we'll put needs to continue to show strength at home. he needs to show that he's basically teflon that there's no hope for rescue to those who think there'll be a change in russian politics or that he will mellow to try to compromise with those who are an opposition. so instead he doubles down on being stronger showing that he can basically put his thumb up at the united states and the rest of the western world, whether it's ukraine or whether it's the treatment of our citizens in his country. >> you heard president biden making the comment, calling him a crazy sob is he crazy or is

this strategic? i mean, i guess the two are not mutually exclusive, but when you look at this, it doesn't strike me as somebody who is having knee-jerk reactions. >> know putins, neither crazy, no, actually reckless. he's very much the product of his own conditioning. he was a kgb cold war era veteran who's grown to see the united states in a certain way is as his threat, as his nemesis, and as he's acute power as he's had, were very few people who's going to tell him anything different than when he believes he's very free to do what he wishes, but it's still for him a plan. and the plan is primarily secure. his place at home, making sure there's no threats to him and deter any threats from abroad that might come from the united states or any of its allies. >> the essential, i couldn't get to anyone at any time, philosophy to deter anyone from trying to speak out. >> it's a message. i mean, the russians tend to get caught a lot and is it because they're that a plus or is it because they don't really care?

because there's certainly a point to showing is a message to those who might speak against him, rise against him. you have any propulsion recently last year, right? that they won't live long to tell their tales. >> there are those who have been arrested, as i mentioned, following the protests are vigils and reaction to the mysterious death of alexey navalny finally, we understand that some of those who've been arrested at these st. petersburg vigils, they've actually been handed military draft summons. that's more than a psychological notion. >> know it's very practical. i mean, he's got a country of 140 million people plus. he's not worried when the hundreds of people protest. he's not worried, wouldn't it? thousands of people protest? what do has to be concerned about is when people either have no more hope are no more fear that they're willing to come out in the hundreds of thousands. so in the meantime, he could pretty much press the gas pedal down. >> well, we're looking as well in terms of a russian connection to a fbi informant here at home, who seem to have been integral to the conversations around ph been inquiry for president joe

biden. he is now claiming and telling investigators that russian intelligence officers actually were the ones who gave him false info about hunter biden i wonder if you're skeptical about that connection >> i think there's a tip of the iceberg issue here for what he's doing. and if he is in fact directly providing information that he's being fed by russian intelligence services. but look, the fbi was in touch with him because of his contacts with russian officials and russian intelligence she's had a relationship with the bureau since 2010. and then if you look at the court documents every year since 2010, right through 2023, he was admonished for not telling the truth for perhaps fabricated. so he played a role for them as far as criminal activities, but not so much for the justice aspect which only came later as we saw the election interference which post-2000 and 16 now it's very likely that he's been working on behalf of russian intelligence. and certainly he'd be an element of their misinformation campaign. but

how much of what he's saying is now true for lies to sort of safe himself. the bureau probably and just speculation, contacted him in the first place because he was involved with those who are breaking us law is probably sanctions issues and such like that. >> so how do you discern the truth from the fiction >> usually timelines and inconsistencies, and that's clear and some of the court documents where it where those very inconsistencies and along a timeline that led the bureau to realize he was telling lies and it gets more and more complex thinking about and of course, the political angle of all this. thank you so much. douglas london. i appreciate your time. >> thanks lara. >> well, sticking on the russia theme, we were just discussing that former fbi informant who was supposed to be and i do mean supposed to be the star witness in the gop and peace tune investigation into president biden republican after republican was actually asked about that informant today, and many just dodged questions about his admission that he got dirt on hunter

biden from russia, and that dodging came as republicans on the house oversight committee spent more than eight hours hearing testimony from president biden's breath james biden. now they say that joe biden never had any involvement in his business dealings. i'm talking about congressman jamie raskin, who was the top democrat on that committee. he joins me now. congressman. thank you so much for being here. i mean, you were a part of this closed door hearing today with the president's brother. what? did you hear >> well, i heard the story of james biden, who is the president's younger brother and a businessman and also somebody who filled in with the with joe biden's family after he lost his wife and his his infant and so he's been sort of an integral part of their families structure ever since tragedy struck.

>> and he was very emphatic and categorical about it. joe biden had no involvement in any of his business ventures joe biden received no profits from any of his business ventures. joe biden was not his partner and he never asked to biden nor did he ever receive from joe biden any official favors to benefit any of his businesses and he was totally clear about that and that of course, basically reaffirmed everything that we've heard for the last many months from all kinds of witnesses. >> it strikes me that that testimony likely was expected, but there wasn't really a a bombshell that would come out. and what was it? it actually expected, but there has been a bit of a bombshell recently and that's about this former fbi informant who is being charged with lying about the biden dealings in ukraine, and that's the same person at the republicans seem to have built lot of this entire impeachment inquiry on the fact that he has

been relied on you say is a reason to do away with the entire inquiry. there was ever reason to keep it. do you do you think that his testimony or his statements that he has made in the past as an informant is reason enough to dispense with the inquiry >> well, it was the foundation of the entire impeachment investigation. it all started with the false claim. now, apparently concocted with russian intelligence operatives that joe biden had collected $5 million from burisma, the ukrainian energy company. it was just a falsehood manufactured by russian intelligence and in by this phony confidential informant who was lying to the fbi in constructing a false record according to david weiss, who is the special counsel in the

case, who'd been appointed by none other than donald trump himself? so even donald trump's handpicked us attorney in delaware. then special counsel in the case strongly believes that this guy was up to no good. he was lying to the fbi and is now a severe flight risk. >> there are those in spite of what you have said, are still doubling down. congressman, you had palmer, just last week saying that the testimony or the statements could be corroborated by other sources. so it's not putting all eggs in one basket. you had also just today, you would congressman jim jordan saying this about the x and format listened to this you said the 1023 is the most corroborating piece of information you outbreaks, but it doesn't, it doesn't change those fundamental facts. so now it's not true. well, so okay. so the fbi told us that this source was selling 14 years. this source was a paid source by the fbi when we when we were trying to get the 1023, they told us, oh this could

jeopardize national security, this aid to this source didn't want to release it. and now they're saying how he he he gave false information. the other thing is a story out today. scott brady to the us attorney did check the travel records of this confidential human source and found that he was at those places. he said he was so put your promotion of a bribery scheme was false? >> not at all. >> so he doesn't see it the way you do. what's your reaction >> well, i've often thought with my friend mr. jordan that speed and coherence or not the same thing and he was talking real fast there, but i couldn't really understand what point he was making. look, the smirnoff was at the part of the entire theory of the case. he was the confidential human informant who asserted that burisma had passed $5 million to joe biden and millions more to hunter biden. and that was the genesis of this whole wild goose chase, even though it was refuted good and debunked by a

dozen other witnesses, including you know the former president of ukraine, poroshenko, said it was nonsense. the republicans in the senate couldn't find anything to substantiate these allegations. even lev parnas, who's rudy giuliani's right-hand man, wrote a letter to chairman comer good morning to me saying please call this off. there's nothing there. i was sent out with rudy giuliani to try to find some substantiation for this, claiming there's simply nothing there. and he offered an insisted that he come and testify before the committee, but of course, comer in the gang didn't want to hear from it. so now we're getting a complete demolition of the theory going back to their original source of it. and i'm not sure my friend jim jordan, who is normally nimble on his feet, has been able to concoct any kind of excuse for where they are now, i think this investigation is over in substance, if not informed and

really, chairman comer speaker johnson chairman jordan should do the responsible thing and fold up the circus tent. >> and before i let you go, i can't help but get your take on what you have undoubtedly heard from the former president referring to a series of legal cases and troubles against him, quote, as a form of navalny, even talking about how he says this country is becoming communist. what is your reaction? >> well, donald trump's hero vladimir putin. he's responsible for the death of alexey navalny, who is, who was a champion of freedom and human rights, and he opposed the filthy bloody imperialist invasion of ukraine, which donald trump is at best very soft on. in fact, he's true putin's biggest ally in the united states and is responsible for now the pro-putin sentiment within the

gop. so to compare himself to navalny is sickening and i'm sure that i hope that nobody tells that to yulia navalny, who's his widow, but if she hears about it, i'm sure she will be able to correct our ex president, who a friend to every dictator and autocrat on earth from vladimir putin to viktor orban, to marcos to bolsonaro too. you name it from turkey to egypt all over the world el-sisi donald trump is their friend. he's a friend to right-wing autocrats, kleptocrats theocrats all over the world and to associate himself with navalny's absolutely appalling donald trump has said, every benefit of the rule of law and the american legal system, he's spent millions of dollars of other people's money on his lawyers. he's had more due process and all of these cases,

whether they're criminal or civil, like the case of sexual assault against the e. jean king there'll where a civil jury unanimously found him guilty of sexually assaulting and defaming e jean carroll and he's been forced to pay tens of millions of dollars for that, just like he's being faced forced to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to the people of new york because of the various frauds that he's committed on banks. and in his business conduct there, congressman jamie raskin, i would note both the cases you just mentioned, run antithetical to his claims that this is part of the biden administration >> or the department of justice more broadly, these are state prosecutions, even speaking and buttressing your discussion about due process, even at the state level, congressman also, interestingly enough, of course, donald trump it's not just a theoretical perspective. presidential candidate. he has been the president of the united states. and at one point wasn't a position to assist navalny. what's your take on him comparing himself to him

knowing we action he did or did not take i mean, that's sickening >> donald >> trump as president never did a thing to help alexey navalny or any human rights. dissidents and protesters in russia. all he did was curry favor with vladimir putin and call him a genius and brilliant and hail his various attacks on human rights it's an other countries sovereignty. and even out of office, he never said a word for alexey navalny. or did anything to help him. so where does he get off trying to compare himself to a real hero of freedom and human rights, who stood up against donald trump's bosom buddy vladimir putin donald trump's not going to confuse anybody with that. look in we've got an anti-putin party approach, human rights, pro freedom party, which is the democratic party. and then you've got a pro-putin, anti-human rights to anti-freedom party. and that's the republican party. they've taken lincoln's party which

was a party of freedom and union and the rights of people. and they've turned it into an authoritarian cult of personality aligned with putin and dictators and autocrats all over the world >> congressman jamie raskin, very powerful words indeed. thank you so much for joining thanks for having me, laura, i really appreciate it >> next, president joe biden, his back against the wall considering some executive action to deal with the border crisis, which by the way is short upset progressives in his own party rock need hard place >> united states of scans with jake tapper sunday at nine on cnn >> it's nothing. >> sounds like something. >> when you have nausea, heartburn, ingestion pepto bismol coats and suits for fast relief. when you need it, most

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asylum hello, met if they crossed the border illegally. so what's the plan of action well, i don't have the details. there aren't details yet, but the question is, why now? why now? or is this plan coming into fruition here to discuss national political reporter for the washington post, isaac arnsdorf. he is one of the reporters who broke this important story. about donald trump's new proposal on how to deal with the migrant surge. it's called mass deportations detentions, camps. also, former is acting director under the obama administration, john sandweg is here with us as well, but there is a lot coming out right now and we're learning. and every time i hear the words, executive section, people tend to recoil. they think i've been here before. >> it doesn't stick. the next president coming in could undo everything. but john me, start with you because he is now considering action at the border to restrict migrants their ability to apply for asylum if they crossed illegally. does he have the authority to do so? and will it work? >> well, that's remains to be

seen, laura, right? this is something very similar to what donald trump tried in 2018 that was enjoined by the ultimately by the ninth circuit us supreme court chose not to overturn that injunction. but here's the issue of look the bottom line is the problem at the border is and always has been the bottleneck at the immigration courts. so what the biden administration is now, do playing is looking at a way. how do we bypass those immigration courts and kind of reinforce the rule of law, the problem isn't doing that. you stripped migrants of due process and some people who legitimately are fleeing persecution are not going to have an opportunity to have their claim heard. so assuming it survives the legal challenges which really isn't open question, it would probably be effective in terms of mitigating the crisis at the border, probably in reducing the numbers. but that again is a big physical to survive the legal challenges, isaac is similar to what trump is that in the past? >> well, it's what trump is talking about doing goes way, way, way beyond that. so trump is talking about sending the military to the border to seal it off. and then also using

military resources within the interior of the country to arrest detain, and deport people without legal status who have been in the country for a long time and may not even have any criminal record while they've been here. >> i mean, it sounds like it's my way, huge undertaking. and i think we've heard about there being some shortages and inability to really effectuate a lot of policies going forward is they're the human resource power to even do this. >> i got to tell you, i think what a lot of with trump is doing is telling his base wants to hear, look, he's been doing this since 2016. i'm going to deport 1 million people. mexico is going to pay for a wall. none of these things ever really come to fruition. i have no doubt he's got plans and you can never underestimate john donald trump's capacity for cruelness at the border. i mean, this is the guy who authored family separation. we still have children separated from their parents as a result of that policy. but the reality is these promises, these mass deportations are not going to happen. we do not have the resources, the current legal framework does not allow it, do i anticipate a lot of what isaac reported on mass

detention camps, more greater use of the military at the border. absolutely. but listen, again, a lot of this is him just saying what his base wants to hear without the possibility of becoming reality. >> i mean, your article does lay out some pretty scary notions. it does anticipate a lot of things that john just talked about, including this variant aggressive, anti-illegal immigration agenda. what does it entail? >> well, trump and stephen miller have been through this before and they've, they've been frustrated in the first term by the legal challenges and by resistance from officials at the department of homeland security and officials at the pentagon who didn't want military resources using it without them it's not terry resources are for and they're going into the possibility of a second term much more with the lessons learned that we need to move faster. we need to munir to break things. we need to not worry about getting tied up in court or what's going to withstand litigation. we just need to go for it, get out there and making sure to fill

the administration in this time with people who are going to be on board with carrying out these orders. >> so the part of that order, if there is a mass detention facility, where does that exist? is there any insight as to what that would look like? are these just simply things being thrown against the wall hoping will stick >> the idea is that these would be like camps or tents that would be some where were the border patrol would be bringing people who were detained and organizing them for process. a stephen miller, trump's top immigration advisor described it as like having weekly flights to different destinations where they and they would be staging people in the camp until the day of the week for their flight. >> let me the fact that even i retaining if you're president biden, the idea of executive action, trying to grapple with the border crisis, suggest that he is likely listening to the fact that there's a huge influx of americans who want something to be done >> what >> perhaps anyone get gas, but is this an indication this would americans really want to have happen? >> no, i don't know laura,

it's difficult to say. i won't tell you this. this is becoming, this really isn't epic. crisis is the political side of this crisis, right? and i don't think in any way shape, or form running would argue that politically this is a winner for president biden now, mind you, he's going to upset progressive groups, immigration advocates, with any sort of move if they adopt something like this, of course, we haven't seen what it is yet, but assuming they do. but i think that when they're presented with the alternative, like what isaac was reporting, comparing these militarized camps and horrific imagery along the border of mass i'm not sure. i'm described but camps literally children locked up behind cages again i think they're gambling that people are going to come back to the democrats, come back to the president, even despite the frustration with this politically, if i'll just say one other thing very quickly though, operationally, this is a disaster as you might recall, just last week, leaked out that ice is looking at massively reducing detention capacity, pulling money from other critical national security priorities. you're going to start pulling money from child exploitation investigation, counternarcotics missions in the caribbean to fund

immigration because we're so overwhelmed with the numbers something's going to have to give laura. i don't know if this is going to be it, but i think ultimately something's going to have to give because the numbers are just too great at the border right now. >> i mean, there's a finite set of resource that's the big, the big issue with anything that the government is doing. and if as you report in your article, isaac thinking about all that's being laid out, there's the idea and the execution of the agent yeah. the devil being in those details. thank you both for being here so much. i appreciate isaac and john. thank you so much. and now, an update on a story we were first to report to you last night in immediate reaction in alabama after a ruling by the state's top court equating frozen embryos to children. today, the largest hospital well in the state, pausing all all ivf treatments. university of alabama at birmingham saying in a statement, quote, we must evaluate the potential that our patients and our physicians could be prosecuted criminally or face punitive damages for following the standard of care for ivf treatments the ruling

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relating to the fatal shooting of halyna hutchins cinematographer on the alec baldwin film back in 2021, when a gun that was held by baldwin fired a live round during a scene rehearsal. gutierrez reid has pleaded not guilty, and i want to bring us up to speed as we know that there has been some forward motion now, in this case, i've got josh campbell with us now. john gosh, i'm so glad you're here. you and i have been following this story from the very beginning until it's only right that you tell me about what has happened today, knowing that they are saying this the prosecution, josh, that her role as the armorer was to ensure gun safety. and i'm quoting here, her reckless failure resulted in the sense senseless death of another human being. bring us up to speed on where we are now with this trial >> so my friend, this comes down to negligence now, no one is disputing that this was an accident, but prosecutor says, i've said time and again that someone died on the set of that

movie and you know, being a federal prosecutor as well, someone has to to get justice for those victims. and that's what prosecutors are trying to do. we know that alec baldwin has been recharged, but today it's all about hannah gutierrez reed, who was the armorer on that said prosecutors say that she had a duty as a person who was responsible for ensuring firearm safety to make sure that what happened didn't actually occur if she of course, faces and involuntary manslaughter charge, she has pleaded not guilty to that, but she places the second charge of tampering with evidence and what authorities allege is that on the day of the shooting, after she was interviewed by police, she allegedly handed off a bag of cocaine to someone. the reason why that plays in here is because prosecutors have really seized on her sobriety at day riding in court filings, they believe that she was hung over at one point that witnesses had indicated she had been drinking and using marijuana. the reason that's all important is of course, is because if there's anyone on a movie set who should be lucid at any given point. it's the person responsible for firearm safety and of course, she's denied

all of that, but that seems to be the crux of this at all comes down to negligence i mean, this is the one of the theories are going to proceed with and this jury, by the way, as much as everyone knows about this case. again, you're right to point out this is not where alec baldwin is a criminal defendant in this action. this is focused on her as the armorer, but even for a case is not involving somebody as high-profile as alec baldwin. this is a very high-profile case and suri selection is already done. josh, what do we know about who's on this jury? >> yeah. >> you know, the >> court moved in a very fast clip today getting this all wrapped up in one day. i'm told from a court official that this jury of 12 people has been seated. we're talking seven men, as well as five women. there were four alternate we're also selected. now what they did is they brought in 70 residents of santa fe county today for questioning, both individually as well as as a group. now, the content of those solo sessions that's all private of course, but i'm told by a court official that at one point the judge addressed the audience and asked for a show of hands. who in this room has

heard about this case prior to today, either from the news media or from the internet, or by word of mouth. i'm told that the majority of the people who were in that room raise their hand and said yes. but of course there's this misnomer, right? that if you've heard of a case, you can't serve on a jury. in reality, what the judge was looking for was a group of 12 people who could render an impartial verdict regardless of what they knew ahead of an advance. i'm told that the judge the court believes they have that group of people and i'm told that opening arguments could begin as early as tomorrow morning. >> oh, to be a fly on the wall, but i want to go back as well. alec baldwin, because this has been a kind of a roller coaster. josh, at first, he was charged and he was not charged has gone back and forth. he is not going to be expected to be a witness in this particular the trial. he is not a co-defendant in this case, but he is a defendant in a criminal case. nonetheless, what is the latest there? >> yeah. as you mentioned on again, off again. right. he was pretty was charged and the charges were dropped. now, those charges have been re-brought. now, he recently had a status hearing, is essentially turned into an

argument between the defense and the prosecution about how quickly his case will move his defense attorney is saying, let's get this show on the road. we've been waiting for all this time now going through now to separate rounds of charges, but the prosecutor says they still have some more work to do as far as doing some witness pre-interviews. the prosecutor also says that she herself has a pretty heavy caseload, and so it's it's almost kind of like racking and stacking win his case will actually fall within that. the schedule of the prosecutor nevertheless, his attorney is saying, let's go, we are ready. let's get this over with. >> well, we will see for now, it is the trial of hannah gutierrez reed. a jury is likely we're going to follow this case, josh, you and i, we got to make sure that we bring everyone the very latest. thank you. for being here tonight. i appreciate it. >> as always >> while there's a serious workplace hazard at the white house, but it might not be what you expect the new records showing president biden's family dog, commander, bit secret service agents and at least two dozen incidence.

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delaware home was bitten in the backyard as he was walking to his post. the report described as quote, severe, deep open wound on his forearm resulting in six stitches. let's bring in matt beisner, certified professional dog trainer at the zen dog. matt, thank you for being here at people been wondering about this for quite some time now. i mean, a source close the family says that they feel awful over these incidents and the source says that commander is over protective. i mean, he's a german shepherd. they typically do have a guarding sensibility. is that how you see this as well? over-protectiveness? >> well, first of all, laura, thanks for having me on. i would say that's an aspect of it. i think about the environment that commander has been in and commanders inability to get out of that environment and the escalation of the aggression. >> there's >> a lot to this. >> it would be really really difficult for most any dog to just maintain a resilient, calm state of being in an environment like that.

>> and i would say >> particularly for german shepherd, because of their skill set, their highly intelligent they are emotionally deep and they're acutely aware of changes in the environment and the white house itself is just going to be active. a lot of people coming and going a lot of opportunities for that dog to escalate in its stress that lead to that behavior. >> and by the way, even if he's not at the white house, he's going to be an environment of your head, people who are coming and going surrender adding the people that you associate in your family and trying to delve into that, but it still is something that is concerning. i mean, dr. jill biden's office told cnn that commander has been living with other family members since the fall. i wonder if the impact of placing him him him in that new home is the right answer or a temporary one? >> it's a great point and i think that's to be determined. it's i've been working in aggression cases for about 15 years. i have never worked with a dog that has 24 biting incidents. so there's a level of behavior here that requires a certain kind of care that may

not be easily available. just in changing environments. i think there's a lot of healing to be done obviously for the people who've experienced the bytes that the chest fight the armed by those are really serious bytes and moving the dog may in fact take pressure off, but i don't think his story has done and i hope that he gets the help that he knew. >> i mean, i wonder i think about i mean, the lawyer me always thinks about that so-called one byte rule for most people where if you're on notice that your dog is engaged in behavior that could harm another person. there is a responsibility on the pet parent to then do something about that, whether it's more training or otherwise he's still a young dog. >> can he be trained to >> stop biting after 20 plus incidents? well, >> i don't make guarantees and i'd be wary of any trainer that would i just know that in my experience, there's not such a thing as a bad dog and there's probably a lot of unmet needs here for this dog and that can get started then maybe

they're just going to be shift in the behavior for the long term. >> i'll just want to point >> out too that i don't think this is on the biden since per say or any one particular person it's just an untenable experience for this dog. and he is young. and there's still time to learn, but he's got to get help now and it's got to get the kind of help that takes the pressure off them. so it didn't feel compelled to bite well, i don't see you raising your hand, matt yet about that giving that help, but maybe they'll look to you >> are there you go. there's the hand everyone >> let me play >> well, i might be not it's, clear my father he says my own dog. he says there's never, you know, whatever a dog does it's up to the pet family to try to help the dog is only doing what the environment reflects. so we'll see if that's true or not in this case, matt viser. thank you so much. >> thank you. laura. appreciate you. will be right back

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