>> i believe there's some classification of somebody you like don't have a personal relationship with the gives you $100 if you let me undo subparagraph to woman that too it defines it as someone that you know, or should know is seeking to do or is doing business with the county, correct? >> yes. but yes. let me yes. includes mr. >> wade as of the date you filled out this form, correct? >> yes. but he never gave me a gift. hundred dollars or more the only thing that i would say maybe went over there, but i don't think it ever did. is even going to dinner in my meal was $100, but i don't think i've ever eaten $100 worth of food at a restaurant because i would not pay him back if we went to lunch or went to dinner but trips. i paid him bad for, you know, i never thought about the money until you brought it

up and i would be less than honest. it says i was giving him the money back because i was the district attorney. i didn't take gifts from him for a lot of personal reasons. anyway, i did not take gifts from him. >> and so your reason for not disclosing any gifts for mr. wade on exhibit number 21. is that the aggregate amount? on a net basis was less than $100 in the year 2022. is that correct >> i did not accept the gift of him of more than $100 in 2022. but one exception to that, if you because i want us to be clear is we probably went out to eat multiple times in the year. if you're considering eating a meal because we went out multiple times, that probably went to the level of more than $100. but if we're

doing for tat like that, i probably paid for as many meals as he paid for and so i did not receive any gifts from him a question on the form >> i understand the question. or an excess of $100. and your testimony is that you did not receive in the aggregate more than $100. all right. mr. you can sit down now. >> i don't believe she answered that question. reiner, she answered as to specific individual gifts. >> and you're not listening to my answer either. so we're done very well. okay. >> mr. rice the question, ms mr. keelan >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon, sir >> a few questions here. i want to you saw the book here. find me the votes that was shown to you, correct? >> yes, sir. your honor, i

would like to just attended this as an exhibit number 20 years. >> is that your copy? >> it is. all right. what exhibit a second? >> 22. all right. >> i'm making the condi the evidentiary contribution here. to this now >> you're tendering is with addition to the state and objectives. to. the relevance at this point no relevance to this point >> mr. gallant, you are using this to the prior statements? >> yes, your honor. >> statements that she made concerning her concern her financial situation, in laying the foundation for them that she gave these interviews to the authors. and so this would document that i'm gaps gurkha get this in the record, asked her questions about will be could market for he's my purposes. i'm a little wary of entering an entire 300 page book because i don't know

exactly what every single line if it would pass hearsay are relevance or et cetera, et cetera, but i don't think it needs to be admitted as a and actual evidence for the record for you to do what you need to do with it, so well, your honor, i understand. i would mark 22 and i'll let you will move from there. >> thank you, runner. now, you were asked a little bit about this trope before, correct? >> i think mrs. mrs. merchants merchant, they asked me some questions. yes. they didn't gave about what, >> about six interviews to the authors of this book and to sit down? >> no, sir. >> you didn't was it she answered, how many interview she gave in her opinion, how many in your opinion do you believe you gave and how long did they last? >> two to three, maybe 2030 minutes >> you so your testimony is at most, you think you gave maybe an hour to an hour-and-a-half to interview to the authors this book. >> oh, you mean in total and total yeah. >> maybe. yeah. anywhere between definitely not more

than two-ish hours. >> okay. but you also were telling when they were the title of the book, of course, is a hard charging georgia prosecutor, a rogue president and the plot to steal american election. you hadn't was wise the title of the book relevance. >> and i had no he then i'm going to ask her that whether or not that was the theme that they gave her when they talk with her >> would the thing gave her what do you mean by that? >> because they were they were sat down and they told her why they were there to interview her >> in my mind that matter. well, i think it matters >> because it shows but they want her to give her version of what her life story this is a light on his life story of her so that's why it's relevant. but if the court thinks it's not, then no, it's it could be relevant to your issue of the forensic misconduct that has been alleged and maybe some of the motives at play when it comes to forensic misconduct. but i'm not seeing again, what we're here for today was the relationship and or any

financial elements of it, correct. well, i think >> it clearly relevant to the fringing his conduct. also relevant to the personal interest in terms of the finances. >> let me make him sent off that book party. i didn't make $0.10 off that book. and ask whether he made any money. okay. i just i didn't ask whether he made any money, any other statements that she hadn't already been confronted with by ms martin? >> well, other than i want to focus on when you were telling them about your financial straits and you were living kind of month to month that is what your financial status was back in 2018 after your likeness around week we covered about at length you just sit here at the end of the line. i'm sorry about that, but we've got to find new ground. >> well let me move on to my point here. so the point is that what you're telling us is that you were in financial straits? but really that your testimony today as you had a cash hoard of maybe up to

$10,000 in cash where you laid your head at night so that you would dip out and there would be no record of correct. >> that's not what i'm telling you, sir. that's not that's not at all. what i'm telling you. what i'm telling you is that throughout the course of my life, i have always kept cash in my house back cash has ranged from times my father would probably be ashamed of this because he would say it should be more. but they're their cash at times has ranged from $500 two, maybe $9,000. and he would be like, that is not what i told you to do. i've always had that amount of money what i've told you is that when i travel, you do better negotiating when you travel, if you have cash, you can go get the care. they say, oh, we going charge you 300 for the day. well, i got american cash. you will you take it for 150 and so it's my practice to take money when i travel. we're not talking about a whole lot of money. we're going to the bahamas, fitting hundred and

cashes in my pocket or at the most, 2,500 belief was actually probably the most money i've ever taken. and it was taken because it was a big deal. my 50th birthday sucked his 50 year. it's thought there was tear up. no your and so to some questions here, i'm trying to answer it. >> the it would help if we so let's let's move to this the civic yes or no. have you told us today that you would keep a cash hoard in your residence up to about $9,000? yes or no in throughout the course of my adult life. and so let's even be more specific than that. probably from the time your honor, i'm only asking for yes or no, rather >> we have already covered this, so i laying the foundation, but it's already been late yesterday. >> the filibuster is here. i'm trying to move through the filibuster. >> we're not talking about a lot on the it could be 2000, it could be fitting hundred it could be 7,500. it just depends

on how what you're doing at that time, what i'm telling you is when i traveled, i took cash. i find that when you travel, especially the foreign countries, the american dollar does well and it's good to have cash. you can negotiate with the taxi driver, with the jetskis with and it's not a lot of money we're talking about. ron, are >> just got off. let's get to a question, mr. and so you have cash in your house, but you had a lean attacks, lean on your property. is that right? >> i don't believe i had attacks late on my property. >> tax lien on your property. >> you gotta you gotta talk a lot of mr. we already covered that. mr. yellen, i need new here. >> i'm asking the question of what i'm trying to figure out how someone can have attached lane asked that question, but not use the money that they allegedly said they have. >> i think it was merchant asked that exact same questions that you didn't use the money to pay your tax late. so what's your question is new? >> so build on that to say no more. >> it's already built. >> all right. it's the same way

you pay a bit because this is up on it. if you need to, the same way you owe a bill and go shopping >> well now, have you ever used that? you say earlier they used cash app i when i would pay robin brian, i use cashapp. >> what is cash out for the record? >> i don't even know that for the record. let's keep going. >> well so if you're paying robin with cashapp, why aren't you paying allegedly paying mr. there's no alleging here why are you paying allegedly mr. wade with cashapp? >> i don't think mr. wade does cashapp. >> do you ask him? >> i think he's told me he doesn't do catch up. >> so that's the reason why you didn't use cashapp. >> he said next to me, i hand them the money >> because there would be a record and cashapp of your making pain that's correct. >> yes. >> but i didn't >> think that i was making a record and a personal relationship because when you're filing your and i know that i'm going to move into this financial statement here.

you're asked just a second ago about your non-disclosure form or your excuse me, your disclosure form? of an exhibit 21, where we agree that mr. wade is a prohibited source, correct? >> i don't i what i agree to is i don't believe he's given me gifts. you do like to classify these trips as gifts, but i've always paid by fair share on these trips, so i didn't know look at them as gifts. i don't think that what this is disclosing and they can tell me if they did something different. i don't think it means if you go to dinner with somebody over the course of a year and it gets to 100. you're supposed to report it. if my understanding of that is wrong i probably been to lunches with a couple of people that over the course of a year, they paid i paid for evidence source means we already went over this. mr. gelin, mr. mcdougal? >> your honor, i have to i have to lay the foundation here before i can follow up with my

next question. i don't i don't know why you have two questions have been made then your to disclosure form did not >> list any of the thousands and thousands of dollars that mr. wade paid for on trips that you were on? >> object. isn't that correct? >> that's because mr. wade was paid that money back or he was paid due to the fact that i bought the plane tickets. i paid for the hotel. there would never money that he gave me that wasn't the nature of our relationship. there's so many man and mr. wade is one of them where the nature of the relationship is, they're just paying a woman the nature of our relationship is companionship in friendship. despite the way people would like to paint certain women, is just not true. >> final question and not a single solitary documentary piece of that is after showing

that you have withdrawn the cash to panel, mr. that's not accurate >> thank you >> okay. >> mr. mccullough? hello, mr. floyd. >> all right. mr. cromwell and atmos later >> great thing about coming last question i had one question is, can you jeremy >> yes, sir. >> is the time period between february 2021 in january of 2022 while you were saying at the urine does your father ever come and visit you during that time period at the urticaria? >> he did not. >> that's all i have. thank you, your honor >> all right. >> ms cross, i would imagine you have a number of topics to cover with ms willis, that'll take more than ten to 15 minutes. >> i did. >> okay. >> then i think we've reached a stopping point for today. and so ms willis, i'd ask you, you can sent down now and i'd also remind you that you're not to

discuss your testimony or that of any other way? back here and will begin again at 09:00 a.m. i. will do 09:00 a.m. this time tomorrow. >> before we recess for today, i want to check in on logistics and i'll ask ms merchant once the testimony of ms willis has concluded. how many other witnesses you anticipate calling >> and then off the record objectives, we can we can handle that now. >> you can sit down, you done today. >> you want me to leave the courtroom where you can say the counsel table, danger the witness box all right. so two witnesses and then querying other defense counsel i know mr. galen there was a potential

witness that was objected to by the state, so there's another one there and we can talk about that. were there any other witnesses anticipated from any defense counsel? all right. seeing no show of hands. and then ms cross any any witnesses on your behalf? >> so, your honor, neck tape what about an hour's. >> okay. and how many witnesses would you imagine committing myself to a final number of my best guess at this point would be three all right >> i gave them are witnesses. i was to give witnesses from evidentiary hearing from yessing. they wanted to john boyd, but i don't remember. >> all right >> know. i understand ms merchant however, i don't think at this point there's any statutory requirement. we have the standing order for expert witnesses and if say doesn't want to extend that courtesy,

then i think you're stuck with it. >> all right. >> i'm certainly happy to represent that mr. floyd will be a witness. that that other witnesses will be impeaching of this year >> okay. >> all right. let's take up these last couple issues here before we break them the issue of the delta airlines records ms the motion to quash has filed by the state on behalf of willis. i believe i did file a motion, your honor. excuse me. >> my representation was i just got noticed it was yesterday. >> okay. >> so i've had to review of them >> i object to >> general fishing expeditions >> i've interviewed can you record today that was from delta? my knowledge that there's going to be no further new production in the delta i don't want to burden the court with anything if the court wants to take a look at it and see if there's anything different than that. i don't have injection. i just i don't

like the eye. >> all right. >> let us break away now. from this hearing. welcome to the lead. i'm jake tapper and you've been listening and watching the breaking news fulton county district attorney, fani willis testified in a courtroom. a judge is considering whether she should be disqualified from the trump election subversion case in georgia as the trump team wants her to be the the testimony from willis contentious at times, trump and his co-defendants are trying to remove her and ultimately to derail the case based on allegations that she and nathan wade, the special prosecutor, that you hired to lead the case? engaged in an improper relationship from which she financially benefited willis engaging in a fiery back and forth at times with the attorney's questioning her. she insisted she did nothing inappropriate let's play just one exchange just before the judge called a break. that gives you but a small taste of

some of what played out over the previous few hours >> let's be clear, because you've lied in this. let me tell you which one you loud and right here. thank you. live right here >> no, no. this is a trump judge >> mr. say no, thank you. we're going to take five minutes >> cnn anchor and former federal prosecutor, laura coates is with me. she's been listening to all of this outside the courthouse and laura, when this romantic relationship between nathan wade and fani willis started and ended? was a main point in today's here >> i have been completely riveted all day listening that the big question for this judge today was not an episodes out of so-called real housewives. it was about whether there was a romantic relationship from which finding will is derived if financial benefit it actually bringing this case. that was what needed to be proven. that is the conflict of interests that could potentially lead to disqualification. and just so

you know, jake, it's not just her who would need to be disqualified. it'd be the entire team him a separate entity would come in, replace that team. they're not beholden to try to follow what she indicted or even continue with the case. but there was never a moment where either ethan wade nor are finding willis actually conceded that their relationship began before he was hired as special counsel in part of the team, there was a witness a former friend, a former employee of the da's office and county, ms urine, who from whom? fani willis least a condo who said absolutely lee, they were romantically involved back in 2019 now, there was an ax to grind. they did bring out this woman had been a former employee. she resigned the penalty, eventually being fired. there is obviously a contentious relationship now going between her and fani willis and you know, it was really surprising jake, the attorney, asking questions not follow up, did not ask questions like, well, how

specifically did you actually see them romantically involved? she mentioned kissing and hugging, didn't say the location or the timeframe that was appointed hsu here, but ultimately, the issue is was there a financial benefit and they had a very hard time creating that through line from point a to point b. >> yeah. and just to be clear, i mean, taking notes here fani willis said she hired him in. i believe the and the fall or the end of 2021 their relationship began somewhere around february or april of 2022. >> and >> then this very revealing answer about when the relationship ended she said that he would probably say that the relationship ended in june or july of 2022. i'm sorry? in july of 2023, because that's when they're physical relationship ended. but it wasn't till august 2023 where they had what she called the hard conversation and that's

when in her mind the relationship ended. >> this >> is significant to the extent in any of this is significant because the indictment was brought down against donald trump on august 14th what exactly are the trump attorneys saying? i understand the whole idea that like she hired him and he was her boyfriend at the time, which she denies and he denies paid him a lot of money and then she and he lived high in the hall going on vacations, going out to meals, et cetera, et cetera. what's the significance of when the relationship ended? >> but what they're trying to establish as somehow that they wanted to maintain contact with one another and use the actual indictment and the litigated question as a pretextual reason to do so that this was all a master plan essentially to maintain their companionship and their romance and be able to have and derive financial benefit as a result,

consequences be. now, they have to actually get to the meat of the matter. none of what we've heard today has anything to do with the underlying facts of the actual indictment. and remember, this standard by which you must prove for somebody to get disqualified means that the nature of this relation the ship within such a conflict of interests as to deny donald trump or the other 17 defendants who've already pled guilty of a fair trial. that's the connection that has to be made here. >> but remember, ultimately there's also the shame factor here >> can you imagine jake >> if we were sitting here today and watching say jack smith on the stand testifying about his sexual relationships. >> what >> impact that would have on an overall jury pool on a credibility assessment, trying to parse through whether they began he began or ended a relationship, whether he was married at a technicality or not, whether he was paying for trips or somebody was paying in battle on cash app part of the

whole point of this was to really maybe death by thousand cuts and credibility that we're not talking about. and this court is not talking about the underlying facts here, but they've done themselves no favors here. there is a optics, there are the moments where people are questioning what the motivation may have been. becky he ended the day. they need to establish do disqualify her that there was a financial benefit such that it would deny trump a fair trial or any of the other defendants and so far this judge does not seem to be particularly persuaded or visibly persuaded in that direction. in fact, i was actually surprised that she took the stand it seemed as though before she walked into the courtroom in a very theatrical way. and appeared before a camera that he seemed to be inclined to question why they needed her to testify and lo and behold, she appeared nonetheless. >> yeah. >> i mean, there's so many issues here. one of them is none of this has to do with whether or not donald trump and

his minions tried to steal georgia completely. you know, that she's that as much. yeah. she said as much. >> but second of all, of course, is what the trump folks are doing, which is look, this is tough stuff. if you're going to take donald trump on his lawyers are gonna do everything they can to fight back and that includes potentially smearing the district attorney. and then there's the third step, which is richard nixon won said i gave him a sword. this was stupid of her to get romantically involved with somebody that worked in her office, whether he considered himself an employee or not stupid is not necessarily criminal. stupid is not necessarily corrupt, but it was unwise on the point that you're talking about this allegation that fani willis financially benefited from hiring nathan wade. was there any evidence at all proving that allegation >> you know, whatever

presentation was there was very, very tenuous what was happening from nato then wade, for example, is he talked about deriving source of income from different sources, right? his private practice and then from the state of georgia or fulton county, what the he lawyers bringing in his actions seemed to want to suggest was that him and fani willis began at zero. and therefore, the only income coming into their coffers, their accounts came from matt and therefore, there was a through line between every dollar spent came from this when in reality the testimony came in and that they had income, that there was a pot of money and they use their resources from that. that's not enough yet to determine if financial benefit all right, let's bring in charlie bailey, former senior assistant district attorney of fulton county, who has worked closely with fani willis, his wife is on willis is communications team, and charley was in court for today's hearing. good to see you again shortly. so fani willis brought charges against the former for president. >> i move of

>> huge significance, put her squarely in the spotlight, squarely in the sights of donald trump's legal team even if the judge does not disqualify her from the case. based on what you saw in court today, did her decision to have a romantic relationship with with a lead prosecutor, did a it up, jeopardize her case, did a potentially jeopardize her credibility with the jury >> no, i don't think it jeopardize the case and didn't jeopardize or credibility. i think the credibility that was jeopardized today is these lawyers that put laws and filings, got way out over their skis claiming they knew things be true it will prove in a day to be false. i mean, i think the big takeaway from today also i mean, it's outrageous the fact that somebody like donald trump has been a june okay. to sexual assault or is going to question a consensual relationship between two single adults. i mean, it's the height of hypocrisy so the only credibility here at issue are

those defendants in there. i think fani spoke for about our own credibility. >> so she kept on saying that the trump and the attorneys for trump and the attorneys for trump's minions who are also charged. he has many co-defendants in this case. lied about her, filled these legal documents with lies. you just alluded to it. what lies specifically is she talking about >> well, this is what they said. all right, so let's be clear clear, this is what they said in these motions. they said fani willis lead an almost two-year investigation. hundreds of witnesses, hundreds and thousands of documents. special grand jury went through awful threats. some of the worst, most vile, and dangerous threats you can think of. she did all that brought a case against the former president and a bunch of his associates, not because the evidence and the law required it, but because she wanted to hire somebody that can pay for a

trip to aruba because she couldn't pay for road trip. that is what they said. and jake, if that was true, she go down as one of the most cruel we're up just attorneys in the history of this country. and so that is the lie. and that is what they have to convince that judge is the truth and what we saw today is it's a full-on bunch of lies. the whole thing >> there's also an illusion that one of the attorneys made one of the defense attorneys going after her made about a quote that she said in 2021 about how she would never have a romantic relationship with an employee. she said something about not having relationship with somebody under her. she differentiated today saying that the her former boyfriend would never can concede that he was an employee or worked under her is that persuasive? do you think? >> i mean, it's a way i'm

assuming through her testimony that's the way nathan feels about it. i mean, it's not an odd way to think about it. you've got special assistant district attorneys, private attorneys. they're not employees under the law they work on a contract basis and to think of themselves as more as colleagues. i mean you you've watched her today, jake, i don't think anybody's confused he's about who's in charge. i mean, fani willis is the district attorney, not nathan wade, but i understand that distinction. >> yeah. and then lastly, there was also this she wanted she seemed to want to talk a lot about her relationship with nathan and why they are no longer together. and it seemed to be along the lines of and i'm paraphrasing, but this she was pretty clear about the fact that nathan wade, according to her had a difficult time dealing with her as an equal. she quoted him saying something like the only thing a woman could do for him is make him a sandwich or something like that? >> and >> that gets into why she repaid him money in her in her

testimony on her own behalf, that she would never want to have somebody paying for trips for her. that is that what she was driving? it yes and that's consistent with the fani that i know. i mean, this is a strong, independent woman who doesn't rely on anybody and doesn't the need a man to make her way in the world. and i think that's one of the reasons on top of being called corrupt and everything. but a child and god that she was so angry about these allegations and she has full right to all right. >> charlie bailey. thanks so much for your time. i appreciate it much more on the dramatic day in fulton county, georgia ahead. we're also following other breaking news. a former fbi informant charged in connection with a case involving hunter biden what that means for the republicans investigation in the house, stay with us the situation room with wolf blitzer didn't night it six point cnn >> chris came to turbotax

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reason why this is significant is that this individual and his testimony was a major aspect of the claims by republicans that president biden himself had benefited from his son's business operations. let's get straight to cnn's evan perez. evan what exactly are they saying about this fbi informant? >> well, jake, the name of the informant is alexander smirnoff. he was arrested today by the fbi. and according to the fbi, he lied to the to the fbi when he made some claims, including the fact he said that that joe biden received or it was getting paid $5 and 100 biden's again paid 5 million in order to assist burisma, the ukrainian energy company on which a hunter biden was serving as a on the board of directors? back during the time that joe biden was vice president. of course, that is

that it looks explosive allegations and that's what's really fueled the republican drive to impeach the president. they've also obviously this has driven a lot of the allegations that there was corruption that the former that the former then vice president was corrupt and trading favors when he was the sitting vice president, i'll read you just a part of what the fbi says it, but it really comes down to this, right? they say that in short the defendant's story to the fbi is a fabrication. they say it's an amalgam of otherwise unremarkable business meetings and contacts that it actually occurred. but at but at a later date, then he claimed and for the purpose of pitching business, pitching burisma on the defendant's services and products. so what the fbi now says and what the david weiss, the special counsel, who has charge hunter biden in two separate cases in delaware and in los angeles.

this case is being brought by david weiss against this informant what they're saying is that all of that was false and that this now he is now facing these charges of false statements and an making a creating a false and fictitious document. those are the two charges that he's facing. now in los angeles, jake and just just to remind folks who smirnoff it is because they might not know the name, right? this was the individual that had claimed that he had been told by somebody who ran bid or asthma, write that joe biden himself was going to get $5 million for all these shady dealing, right? this is the guy that senator chuck grassley was insisting that this fbi report be revealed to the public, correct? this was the guy who basically provided hours worth of content on fox especially in prime time. this was the guy who james comer, the guy who runs the house oversight committee was relying on as a

major source of information and the fbi is saying the guy's a liar. in fact, so much so we're charging with a crime, correct, jake, i mean, look again, what the republicans are saying is that one of the reasons why they were relying on him is that they believed he was credible, that the fbi was using him as an informant and that that gave him credibility. what we've now what we're seeing though in these documents in this indictment is that all of that was factitious he came up with this story after joe biden became the presumptive candidate for the democrats in 2020 and of course, after he had already gone to two republicans to make some of those allegations to chuck grassley and two others reminds me to a degree of during the brett kavanaugh hearings, when all these people were making wild allegations, false allegations about the man that is now supreme court justice brett kavanaugh. and then there was this move to just like release all this this information will allegations

are not facts and just because somebody has reported something to the fbi doesn't mean it's true and we saw all this wild stuff released about brett kavanaugh, who was unfairly smeared by a lot of this. here we have apparently the same situation except it's against joe biden right? >> exactly. and by the way, i mean, if people come to the fbi all the time, make allegations, the fbi puts it down in these documents called the 1023, and that's what republicans then released to the public yeah, it seems in retrospect wildly irresponsible. just released ten 23s without any sort of context as to how credible an individual might be. and now we know the fbi thinks this guy is not credible at all, right. >> made it all up. >> all right, evan perez, thanks so much. appreciate at the top, democrat on the house intelligence committee is going to be here next, we'll talk to him about as plus. more importantly, perhaps that cryptic message from his republican counterpart about a potential national security threat. we'll be right back

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democrat on the house intelligence committee congressman i want to get reaction to all this in a moment, but first we have this breaking news of former fbi informant charged with lying to the fbi. those claims he made about president biden and hunter biden's involvement with ukrainian company burisma, the man alexander smirnoff, he's been rather pivotal to the allegations from the chairman of the house oversight committee, james comer, not to mention numerous fox prime time hosts that there was evidence that biden benefited to the tune of millions of dollars from hunter biden's business dealings. what's your reaction to this allegation or rather this indictment? >> well, jake, i'm not at all surprised. i mean, you know, whatever my republican friends build impeachment inquiries on or whatever they build this sort of edifice of maga outrage on. eventually turns out not to be true, including as you pointed out, the whole

underpinning of the president should be impeached. thing turns out to be largely resting on, on, on lies. now, i wish i could say that that's going to make real difference here because what we know is that you can impede somebody without any crimes, without any misdemeanors, right. because we just saw the impeachment of secretary mayorkas maybe my republican friends don't like the way he's doing his job, but they failed in that impeachment to come up with a single example of a high crime or misdemeanor. so yes shocking but not at all surprising. and i don't i think it'll change the narrative around here. >> let's turn to what was shocking breaking news yesterday and that has to do with what chairman turner put out that message, the national security adviser at the white house, jake sullivan, said that you were supposed to get a briefing on this supposed threat today? i understand you can't talk about classified information, but what can you tell us about what you learned about this threat at today's briefing >> yeah. so as you just said, the briefing happened, we were

joined by the national security adviser and the director of national intelligence, and we heard a lot of what we already knew about the nature of this threat and you heard kirby describe it as an anti-satellite weapon. you heard him say something that i was saying yesterday, which isn't it is not an immediate threat to the american people. it is like any number of threats that we learned about on the intelligence committees, something that we need to be thoughtful about address work through i'm sorry. it created a massive sort of feeding frenzy in a panic yesterday, but what we learned in the meeting today was that this is something that they have known about for a long time. they've got a number of strategies to deal with it. and, you hopefully this doesn't become the norm for how we you know, how we, how we deal with threats on the intelligence committee >> i'm i don't want to >> speak for you, but it does seem to me like you and chairman turner have a good relationship, have a good working relationship. he does seem to be a smart and serious person. what was the deal with that press release yesterday with that statement?

>> yeah. yeah. and you're right, you know, the committee and people who follow washington will know this prior to mike turner becoming chairman, prior to me becoming no, you remember it had been brutally split by an awful lot of the trump related stuff. and so we really dedicated ourselves to working together in a bipartisan way hey, and i think we have a really functional committee right now, so i i'm not going to second guess what the chairman was, what his intentions were, what he was trying to do. i wish the community occasions put it this way had been a lot more private than they were. it's not unusual, jake for, by the way, the committee to vote to make information available to members of congress but we usually do that pretty quietly. they but you're absolutely right. look, i think from now we can move on and hopefully not cause panics and future. >> all right, democratic congressman jim himes, ranking democrat on the intelligence committee. thank you so much for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you, jake. >> house republican dan crenshaw from texas is headed to the camera. i'm going to ask him about the statement about an national security threat from the intelligence committee chairman, does he think it was

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that just dropped charging a former fbi informant with lying about president biden and his son, hunter. biden's involvement in business dealings with ukrainian energy company, burisma holdings, which would seem to undercut a un, un aspect of the republicans impeachment inquiry into joe biden himself, though not necessarily the charges against hunter. we've also been following as he saw my interview with the intelligence committee ranking democrat jim himes, the new intelligence released by the white house today saying that russia is developing a weapon with nuclear capabilities for space, which would theoretically pose a significant threat to the united states as ability to control its own nuclear weapons, joining us now, republican from taxes, congressman dan crenshaw, who serves on the house intelligence committee and is retired navy seal. congressman crenshaw. good to see you. i want to get your reaction. i want to get to the national security threat in a second, but first i know you just came before the camera and you probably haven't had a chance to read the indictment against

this fbi informant, but do you have any reaction to the fact that he has been indicted for lying to the fbi? >> not much like i'm not on the oversight committee. i'm not deeply involved and those investigations, this is honestly the first time i've heard of anyone accusing biden of taking $5 million from burisma? that's a very specific accusation. i don't recall hearing that before. we've what we've seen from the oversight committee, what they've revealed is a lot of smoke. i mean, fully admit there's not okay. gun, but there's a lot of smoke of shell companies, money transfers that are unaccounted for things like that. that's the kind of stuff i've heard about. i've never actually even heard about this, whether it undercuts the case or not. i'm not i'm not really sure if this is the first you've heard about it, then it sounds like you don't read the tweets of marjorie taylor greene, so we will move on from there back to the russian anti-satellite capabilities are much more significant story members of your own party are now talking about whether the intelligence committee chairman mike turner

should have released that statement on wednesday about this serious national security threat. take a listen to who florida congressman matt gaetz >> we put out our concern with chairman turner gaslighting the country on these things and i worry that the motivation patient to draw so much attention to this is less about intelligence and national security, and more about a politician who wants to send $60 billion to ukraine and wants to reauthorize the foreign intelligence surveillance act. >> what's your reaction to that? >> i mean, i'm, i'm confused, you know, and i talked to matt about this. often. we have very big differences on how we see foreign policy >> and >> look like we took a vote on the intel committee to let the rest of the members know about a classified issue that includes matt gaetz, that includes everybody was complaining about it. so i'm not sure why they're complaining about that. where we voted to give you more information so that you are more informed if your future

decisions and they're calling it cynical, they're saying it was designed to be released this week. it's just not true. >> the reason >> it happened this week, it was following multiple conversations with the white house and chairman turner. and it was follows it was also following new intel revelations and confirmation of those of those facts. so this is not some conspiracy to pass fisa. it wasn't even intel committees idea to do pfizer this week, by the way, that was a scheduling decision made by the speaker's team. just look, everybody should want more information so that you can make better decisions and yeah, just so happens that if you know more things, you might have different opinions about these, these really sensitive aspects of national security. >> it's interesting. so do you think it was timed at all to affect the vote on aid for ukraine, given the fact that russia obviously is an enemy of the united states of america, despite the fact that chunk of the republican party these days

seems to have some odd affinity for vladimir putin >> yeah, no i do not think that was chairman turner's intentions. he's obviously just as i am i am pro defeated in russia i do want my colleagues have more information and i find it strange that they'd be upset that we give them that information. but the timing of this was when sit i mean, because look, we've been sending money to ukraine for a long time, so the revelation of something about russia, one could argue that it was you could argue at any moment in time that it was about delivering more ukraine aid, which would so it's it's it's nonsense. these accusations i've heard of people want to do investigate turner it's ridiculous. >> do you look? i certainly, as a journalist and as a citizen, i want more information, 100%. do you think that there was is there anything that you could find to criticize in the way chairman turner release this information because it did it

did panic a lot of people like i re-read the statement just because i need asked that and it felt like a pretty bland statement. and look, i think he knew it was going to have some kind of the fact you're going to have reporters at your door. and so probably would've been important to say, look, we're not talking about an imminent threat, we're talking about a dangerous capability that i think the public look in the world should know about because it affects more than just us of course. so i don't have a lot of criticism, criticism for it because i do believe that it should be declassified if it is if russia ultimately is able to deploy technology, that means the united states loses >> control of our own nuclear weapons that does seem terrifying it would that's why people should know about there's a lot of our lifestyle around the world >> relies on our ability is satellites. some are hard into that kind of things or not, but it's like it's a capability that's out there. it's not an

imminent threats certainly people should know about and they should, they should know who they're dealing with. i think and i think information is important. >> do you think it underscores the need to send funds to ukraine to continue to sap the strength and the technology and the power of vladimir putin. >> i actually don't. this is why i think the counterarguments against turner and saying this was some you know, cynical response to giving ukraine money they make no sense because our argument never relied on whether russia was a threat with dangerous capabilities that was never our argument. our argument is that you can't allow sovereign countries to be invaded because people want to take their stuff. but we haven't seen that since the world war ii era. and if you go back to that pre-world war ii, world the order or everyone's just invading everyone. well, you're not going to have the lifestyle that you like. >> there's a >> domino effect there and so we have an interest in stopping that. just stop a greater war because if they beat ukraine there on the border former nato

countries that's our argument. argument has never been were worried that, that russia is going to nuke us. they've had nuclear weapons this whole time that can target the us. this isn't a new thing necessarily it's never been our arguments and the accusations that this is some cynical ploy to get more ukraine aid is it just, it doesn't make sense on its face. >> well, that never stopped conspiracy theorists before. it's congressman dan crenshaw, republican of texas. good to see you as always. thanks so much. appreciate it. >> from fulton county to capitol hill scandal in politics is everywhere. and this weekend i'm going to dive into the topic in a brand new series. join me sunday night for the premiere of my new cnn original series is called the united states of scandal. we take the time to examine what drives someone to break the rules and what happens when they're caught. again, the cnn original series is called united states of scandal. the premier is sunday night at nine eastern, only here on cnn. our coverage continues now with brianna keilar