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dignified transfer of three u.s. soldiers killed last weekend in jordan and to meet with families as their loved ones' remains returned to u.s. soil. plus, 353,000 jobs added. the first employment report of 2024 is out and it is much stronger than anybody expected. this as new exclusive cnn polling shows that voters are giving president biden slightly more credit for economic gains. and a jungled mess. that's how a gop source is describing house republican's attempt to impeach president biden. we will bring you new reporting on how top members are finally admitting it is probably not going to happen. i'm dana bash. let's go behind the headlines and "inside politics." ♪ ♪ we start with the most solemn duty of an american president. joe biden is in delaware at dover air force base to witness

the dignified transfer of three u.s. soldiers killed in jordan. 24-year-old sergeant kennedy sanders was known to her parents as munchkin. they say she dove into everything head first. 23 year old sergeant breonna moffett, her sister said she would talk to a stranger on the street and had them smiling and laughing within minutes. and 46-year-old sergeant william jerome rivers. he is remembered as quiet, genuine and a huge philly's sports fan. these brave americans were all from georgia. cnn's arlette saenz is at the white house. arlette, you have covered p president biden for some time. you understand how solemn it is for any president but particularly for him. >> yeah, danah, it is the most somber duty a president has as command in chief and president biden will experience this now for the second time as he is on hand for a dignified transfer of those three u.s. service members

killed in jordan. the president has just arrived at dover air force base on air force one. he is accompanied by his wife, first lady jill biden. first up on their schedule is a meeting, private meetings with the families of the service members. the schedule says he has a little over an hour to meet with them. this will give him a chance to hear personal stories about their loved ones and hear their concerns as well. the president spoke with the three families on tuesday, and the white house said that in those conversations he gauged their feelings about having him attend the dignified transfer. all three families agreed that they did want the president there. those are the families of sergeant william rivers and also two army specialists who are posthumously promoted to the rank of sergeant, kennedy sanders and breonna moffett. we really got a very rare video showing a moment where president biden spoke with the family of kennedy sanders and personally delivered the news where he said that they were posthumously promoting her to sergeant.

take a listen. >> by the way, we're promoting her posthumously to sergeant. >> oh, wow. that is the best news i have heard today. thank you so much. you don't know how much that means to us. >> well, i tell you what, it means a lot -- a lot to me. my son spent a year in iraq. that's how i lost him, and i -- you know, 1%, 1% of all of these kids that take care of 99% of us. >> reporter: so you'll see there air force one has arrived at dover air force base. we anticipate president biden and the first lady walking off any moment. as you heard in that clip, the president talked about his own experience with loss. that is something he has often turned to in these types of meetings. his own son, beau biden, had served in iraq in the delaware national guard for about a year, and later when he returned he came down with brain cancer.

the president has oftentimes talked about how he believes his son's exposure to burn pits while he was serving in iraq contributed to brain cancer that beau biden eventually succumbed to back in 2015. now, president biden and the first lady will have a chance to meet privately behind closed doors with these families. those meetings are oftentimes raw with emotion. you will remember back in 2021 the president attended a dignified transfer for 13 service members who were killed in afghanistan, and those meetings that went on with the families at the time were very raw with emotion and anger from some very frustrated with the president's handling of the withdrawal in afghanistan. so personally for president biden this will certainly be a very moving moment. i will also note in addition to that meeting with the families, then there will be the dignified transfer, and both defense secretary lloyd austin and the chairman of the chief of staff c.q. brown will be on hand for

the dignified transfer. it all comes as the u.s. is expected at some point to respond to the drone attack which led to the death of these three u.s. service members. the president had told me on tuesday that he has made a decision how he will respond. the officials have previewed that it could be multi-teiered, multi-phased in its response. the question is when exactly that will begin. for the moment, the president's focus will be on those families, trying to comfort them in this moment as the remains of their three fallen service members return back to u.s. soil. >> and, arlette, as you are speaking we are watching the president and the first lady who have just, as you mentioned, gotten off air force one. they are now at the air base. he's about to get into his car, and what we expect once he gets to the area where he is going to greet the families, we're told that there is a quiet room at dover air base where these conversations tend to happen. it is noteworthy that we haven't

seen -- this has only happened -- this is the second time. >> reporter: twice. >> right, since joe biden has been president. and it is not something that happened very often before 2009. presidents didn't always attend the ritual, and we, the media, were only allowed to document this beginning in 2009. >> reporter: yeah, and it really started when you started to see more and more troops coming back around the wars in iraq and afghanistan. but for a president, it really is the gravest duty that he has, having to be on hand there, speak one-on-one with the families who are grieving and enduring such loss of their loved ones. he will once again do that today. i will note that back when he was vice president he actually did attend a dignified transfer and then had attempted to as he was senator of delaware, but had said that he was turned away at times from those ceremonies.

but certainly it will be a very poignant moment for the president, especially one who has dealt with so much grief himself and so often has stepped into that role of comforter in chief. >> yeah, no question. and as we see the president's motorcade go and as he begins to embark on this journey, i want to talk to my panel here. gloria borger, i'm going to start with you. you have covered joe biden for a very long time. >> right. >> back when he was u.s. senator, i know you have spoken to him many times about the way that he approaches being a person who understands grief and interacts with people who are grieving. that was even before he was commander in chief, and now he really is at the moment acting as consoler in chief. >> well, this is, you know, really his superpower and this is something that has occurred over the years. he lost his wife and a young child just as he was elected to

the senate, in a car accident. and then, of course, losing beau biden after beau served. i think that biden believes that he can help people this way. i mean this is somebody who tells people over and over again that there is a hole in your heart, as he puts it, a black hole that can never be replaced. but if you find a purpose in your life after loss, you can learn to live with it. but this is something that he feels he can really help, and that's why he does it. >> yeah. and as we talk about this, he wrote in a book that he published in 2017, "promise me dad: a year of hope, hardship and purpose" about what happened with his son beau. i have found over the years although it brought back my own vivid memories of sad times, my presence almost always brought solace to people who have

suffered sudden and unexpected loss. when i talk to people in mourning they know i speak from experience. >> and he still carries beau's rosary with him every single day and will take it out on occasion. >> yeah. it is -- it is something he is uniquely qualified to do as president. i was thinking as arlette referred to him, and we do this all the time, consoler in chief or comforter in chief, and we always take a president and we say blank in chief. but it is because of their role as commander in chief of the armed forces that we attach that label, and here he has to combine those things. he has to be the commander in chief and the comforter in chief, all at the same time given that these people lost their lives in service to the country. and in listening to that phone call, which is just extraordinary to hear. >> it is extraordinary. >> and the family's end of the phone call, and a local news crew was there at the time that

they received the call from president biden, and to hear him talk about just, you know, that 1% serves to protect and defend the 99% is such an important thing to keep in mind as we watch this sacrifice on display. >> also important because they do so sometimes without the public support. you mentioned 2009 being the first time the media's even being able to show it. that makes a difference how people think about war when they see how people are affected. >> yeah, no, that's such a good point. this isn't happening in a vacuum. this is happening as the president is weighing, he says he has decided how to respond to iran or the iran-backed militias that the u.s. believes is responsible for the death of these three individuals. >> and that's a broader policy conversation, right, that you are trying to have at the same time that you have escalating tensions in the middle east more broadly and a wing of your party

that is disappointed in how you have handled some aspects of that. >> you would absolutely think that moments like this are on the mind of the people in the white house and the nfc and the state department and pentagon when they're making decisions and trying to prevent a wider conflict. everybody stand by as we monitor what is happening in delaware. a new cnn poll reveals what voters think about joe biden and the economy. it shows america's deep pessimism about the economy might be easing up, even if only a little bit. stay with us.

the u.s. economy added a whopping 353,000 jobs in january for a stronger-than-expected start to this new year. another sign of economic strength, the unemployment rate remained at 3.7%, making january the 24th month in a row that jobless rates have been lower

than 4%. this comes as a new cnn poll finds american's pessimism about the economy is beginning to ease ever so slightly. joining me now at the magic wall to talk about this, to break it down, is david chalian. let's start with the overall idea that political strategists, since we've been covering politics, have looked at and matters more than anything, which is how people feel about the direction of the country. >> exactly. we asked that question, and we see that only 35% of americans in our new poll say that things are going well. now, i say only 35%, that's about a third and it is a low number. but, dana, look, it is ticking up a bit. it was at 28% last fall. i mean we weren't at 35% until the aftermath of the midterm elections in december of '22 and that was a blip. so that is a bit of good news that maybe the country is turning the corner in perception, though still two-thirds do not believe things are going well. i think it is instructive. look at it broken by party.

you see growth in positive perception across all democrats and republicans. you see democrats think more is going well, but you see an 8 percentage points with republicans and 7% with republicans. >> the economy, we talked about the numbers today which is bonkers, really, really good. the biggest challenge to date for the biden campaign has been to transfer those data points to how people are feeling. >> yeah. and we're not seeing it working just yet. i mean you see a little bit -- >> a little bit. >> a tiny bit but it is within the margin of error. 55%, a majority of americans say biden's economic policies worsened economic conditions. only a quarter say they've improved conditions. 19%, no effect. yes, 58% said that in august. but, again, that's margin of error. he is largely staying, even with the majority of americans saying that economic conditions worsened under his watch.

take a look overall of his approval rating on a host of issues. in the middle, 37% approval on the economy. he is at 38% approval overall. the economy drives so much of how people perceive him. where he over performs his approval rating, protecting democracy and the situation in ukraine. where he under performs his overall approval rating, the israel-hamas war, and then worst in the eyes of the americans only 30% approve of the job he is doing. >> which speaks to the more hard-line stance he has taken in recent weeks. stand by because i want our viewers to hear what president biden has been saying even as recently as yesterday about the economy on the campaign trail. >> folks, look, we now have in large part because of you and organized labor the strongest economy in the whole world. we do. we do. in the whole world.

inflation is coming down. jobs are growing. we created 800,000 manufacturing jobs. remember, they told us we were dead, manufacturing was dead in america, china was going to eat our lunch. guess what, man? we don't taste that good. >> that's pretty funny. our excellent panel is back with us now. gloria borger, what are your thoughts on some of the numbers that david just went through in our new poll? >> look, i think as you were saying, the jobs numbers today were astounding. nobody expected it. everybody's been predicting a recession and that has not occurred. the question that i have about our numbers, things are ticking up a little bit. i think that would be an accurate way to describe it. the question is, what does it take to turn a battleship around so that americans start feeling the effects of an economy that's clearly improving? i mean, you know, interest rates

are still high. it looks like the fed is not going to do anything now. they feel the groceries are still high, et cetera, gas is coming down, but it is still high. so what will it take for americans to say, you know what, we're on the right track? >> but there's always been this clash between the tools you have to actually address the economy -- let's say the fed -- and what we feel in our pocketbooks, right? the fed looks around and says stop buying houses, you are buying too many houses, this is ridiculous. that means high interest rates. everyone looks around and says, i can't buy a house which was kind of the point. these things like your rent, your home, those things are worth looking at because that's where people can't enjoy the gains they've made with their wages because they can't putt them to work. >> those in the white house when it comes to this issue are trying to figure out how to talk about some of the sprawling investments they've had and actually have that translate to how it is impacting people's lives now. i was talking to somebody in the

white house recently who was saying, look, one thing you don't want to do is just talk about these good metrics of the economy and have it be framed almost like a harvard seminar to the public. >> it took them a while to get there though. >> that's right. >> every time you talk to a white house person they would say to you like, well, you know, there's the supply chain. >> right. >> and actually the numbers are really great, and no matter how much you said, "it seems like people are still bummed" it was two different conversations. >> which you can imagine somebody if they're going and gas prices are high, bread prices are high, and you hear from a government official say, wait, the economy is great. they have to figure out a way to have a message that can actually be relayed word of mouth from people. >> and maybe not call it biden no, nomics because i don't think it worked so well. >> i want to put up the job numbers we got this morning. 353,000 jobs added. i'm old enough to remember covering campaigns where everybody waited for the moment you got the jobs numbers. i'm thinking of the bush

reelection in 2004 and just hoping and praying from the point of view of the bush campaign, i mean they couldn't even imagine a number like this. >> right. and we've been seeing numbers not quite like this, but the job growth has been consistent across the board for the last couple of years. it is not translating to political support increasing for the president obviously, and so is that really a reliable metric to look at through the lens of politics anymore? i think we're learning it is not necessarily the case. also, so much of economic perception is driven through partisanship, as we are in this polarized environment it is tough, which is why i think the white house takes heart in the fact what we were showing before, republicans, independents and democrats across party lines are starting to feel better about the direction of the country. >> you mentioned the way people perceive the economy is through the lens of partisanship. it has historically been the case on the issue of immigration. two of these numbers really stuck out on how people are

perceiving immigration. first, let's just look at path to legal status. in 2019 it was 80%. now it is down to 68%. deportation is up 31%. this is all of the respondents regardless of party. this next set of numbers is really, really key. look at the question of the mexico border situation and the crisis. now 67% of democrats, that's two-thirds of democrats say, yes. independents, also critically important, 77%. republicans kind of always thought it was a problem. >> this is something that i've seen, that i've been looking at for some months now on how the pendulum really has started to shift to the right. when you look at poll numbers, when you look at members of congress and when you look at the white house as well, which i think is responding to that shift in the public. often, you know, what it used to be even during the trump era was

you would sometimes hear behind closed doors democrats say, hey, we need more border security, we need the standard of asylum to be raised, we need more money for deportation. that is out in the public now you are hearing that. you have even seen it with the recent negotiations on the hill. it is also important to say that as more democratic mayors and governors start to criticize the white house on this issue, we did start to see the white house as well be more outspoken about the need for enforcement on this issue. >> and they look at these numbers and they realize they have to be more outspoken. if you have democratic mayors criticizing you daily, it is a problem. >> absolutely. >> everybody stand by. we have brand-new reporting coming up. fresh doubts on the hill about the impeachment of president biden. skepticism is not coming from democrats right now. it is increasingly coming from the party pushing it, the gop. new details ahead.

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live from capitol hill with live reporting. you and the rest of the fantastic hill team have interviewed over a dozen lawmakers and aides. what did they tell you? >> reporter: there's serious doubts growing in the gop that their months-long investigation into biden is going to culminate impeachment. my colleague and i interviewed over a dozen sources for the story and what we found is that many remembers believe at this point they've not seen the evidence to prove that biden profited off his son's foreign business deals. there's also some reluctance to impeach biden as we get closer to november election. their attention has more shifted to focus on the southern border and impeaching homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. there's also the perennial problem it seems of the razor thin majority. listen to what some of the republicans told us. mike kelly told us, i have seen nothing. dan newhouse. nobody is talking about that.

david val ejeho saying let peope decide. i think it is most likely considering the politics of the senate. these dynamics could change. there's a high-stakes pair of depositions later this month with hunter and james biden. that's the president's son and the president's brother. so committee chairmen say it is too early to determine the outcome. they're committed to pressing ahead and they will try to formulate a better communication strategy to the rest of the conference. but as of right now, dana, republicans telling us the votes just aren't there yet. >> such interesting reporting, mel an ooechlt thank you so much to you and the rest of the team there. now to a "new york times" headline that caught the attention of the former capitol hill reporter in me. a sudden media-shy speaker can't answer questions. he's on the phone as "the times" notes before becoming speaker johnson would routinely stop to talk to reporters. now he has adopted the good old

tried and true avoidance strategy. he is suddenly on the phone at all times when he is walking down the hallways of the capitol with the press around him. it happened on this show on wednesday when my colleague, manu raju, tried to answer a question. >> speaker johnson. speaker stjohnson, mr. speaker,o you have a second? he was on the phone there, dana. but i tried. >> on the phone? i just did air quotes, by the way. we all know sometimes they're not always on the phone, but it is a good way to avoid you which is not easy. >> and in fairness he did look like he actually was talking. >> okay. >> i mean he is the speaker. he has a lot of people to talk to, just chooses to do so when he is around reporters. whether or not there's someone on the line we will never know. now new reporting on a different topic, an important one coming up next week, donald trump's legal team and how they're prepgs to face the supreme court. we learned that the lead lawyers on both sides of the case to

determine whether trump can appear on the ballot have very little experience arguing before the supreme court. their training here in dc with more experienced lawyers trying to shore up their skills. cnn senior supreme court analyst is here to give us a look on how they're getting ready. joan. >> such high stakes and so much pressure. you are right. jason murray representing the colorado voters who want to keep donald trump off the ballot has never stood before these justices. jonathan mitchell, who is representing donald trump, has argued a few cases but never before these nine. so both of them lack the experience of the repeat players we often see in very big cases. so how do they get up to speed? as you mentioned, they have both moved their operations to washington, d.c. and are tapping into a network of sophisticated lawyers. the main thing they will be doing besides, you know, burrowing down into the issues is holding dry runs known as moot courts. for those the organizers get

four or five lawyers who play the role of the nine justices. and this isn't just a practice session, dana. these are designed for the lawyers, for weaknesses in the cases to surface, to explore those and help the lawyer figure out a way to finesse some weaknesses, strengthen parts, and always in the end to try to figure out how to get theo justices no matter their questions to come back to core points on the sides of the cases. >> it is equivalent with the murder boards for people that go to capitol hill for nomination hearings and others. is it unusual to have such a big case, joan, with two lead lawyers relatively no experience before the supreme court? >> it is, but these two have strengths i will mention. first of all, jason murray handled the case in lower courts in colorado and was able to get

the ruling by the colorado supreme court that disqualified donald trump from the ballot. you know, we will have to see what the supreme court does with that ruling. and then jonathan mitchell is very well-known to these justices. he, you know, is a conservative crusader, a former law clerk to antonin scalia who is the patron saint of conservatives still on the bench. jason murray also was a law clerk to justice elena kagan who is sitting in earlier to appellate court neil gorsuch on the court. they're known to the justices, just have not argued before the nine, dana. >> thank you. we appreciate it. south carolina is set to deliver joe biden his first official victory of the 2024 campaign, but does he have the key support such as with black voters that propelled him to the nomination in 2020?

that's coming up.

president biden is ready to claim his first official primary victory tomorrow when south carolina democrats go to the polls. the palmetto state delivered biden his first win back in 2020 and set him on the path to win the white house. this time the president isn't facing a competitive primary. still, a large margin of victory could help jump start the president's reelection campaign as certainly that's what his folks are looking for. joining me now is someone who knows a lot about getting a

democratic president elected, an reelected, cnn political commentator and former senior advisor to president obama, david axelrod. always good to see you. >> it is good to see you, dana. >> let's talk about south carolina. what are you looking for when it comes to the vote and how it breaks down? >> well, just margin. i think the larger the margin, the better turnout, you know, some reflection of enthusiasm and affirmation of the president. he did choose south carolina for a reason. i think motivation among african american voters, who are a big part of this, this is a question going into this election. he's not polling as well as he should be among african american voters in a race against trump, the younger voters participate in this primary. >> yeah. >> there are things. even though it is a noncompetitive primary there are bench marks you will look for. >> and the question is because it is not competitive will they

be lejilt benchmarks. >> yes, but we seize on what we can. >> of course. as we should. i want to look at another slice of cnn's new polling. >> yes. >> this is a question about age. >> yeah. >> and this is specifically among democratic and democratic-leaning voters. >> yes. >> concerns. 46% say yes. >> yes, and then you add in the mental sharpness and others that take it over 50%. this is an astonishing number in a self-volunteered answer, you know. this is clearly a concern. listen, we knew this. this was -- this is an issue. this is a concern that people have. the question is can you not address it at all. you know, can he just brush it aside with -- >> what do you think? >> i think he has to address it. >> what should he say? >> i think he should acknowledge people's concerns, but there are a few points here. both of these guys are old,

right? this isn't about their futures, okay. this is about the future of the country and the future of our kids and grandkids. i think what he wants to focus people on is who is really focused on their future, who is doing things everyday motivated by building a better future for their kids and grandkids, and who is consumed by his past and looking backward. i think that contrast is pretty clear, but i think -- >> he should lean into that? >> i think he has to. >> i know i'm old, but i -- >> here is the thing. you know, you showed the jobs numbers, for example. i'm of the view biden is not getting the credit he deserves because people made a judgment about his age that leads them to believe he is not driving things. when good things happen, they don't give him credit. when bad things happen it is because they say he is not driving things. i think you have to almost address it to sort of penetrate that barrier. you know, he has other strengths

that are reflected in this poll. you know, one is that people think that trump is too extreme and they think biden is mainstream. there are other things in this poll, but he has to deal with the elephant in the room in order to get a hearing. >> i want to ask about immigration. >> yes. >> because the politics of immigration have changed dramatically since you were in the white house or working on a democratic -- >> i saw those numbers. >> -- campaign. the change is that more and more democrats are taking -- voters are taking a hard line. it looks as though the white house, the president is seeing that and kind of following their lead. >> yes, two points on this. you know, whatever you think about what governor abbott has done, it was diabolically clever because by shipping the migrants to cities that call themselves -- now i'm forgetting the phrase. >> sanctuary cities. >> sanctuary cities. he has created issues.

i come from chicago. chicago has been torn apart by this issue. new york has been torn apart by this issue, and suddenly democrats are engaged in this issue in a different way than they had been. so that has been very effective. i think that the president has responded by engaging in these very difficult negotiations, agreeing to some of the most dramatic measures to deal with the border that we've seen in a very long time. now what we see is donald trump telling his people, don't agree to that. i don't want biden's name on the bottom of that bill. that will help him. so that gives the white house an offensive position which is we're here to try to solve a problem. he wants to exploit it. >> yes. >> he wants to weaponize the problem. we don't have ten months to wait to deal with this problem. i think it is an effective counter point. >> it is such a fascinating shift, the way the former president is handling it and the way that the democrats and the white house are jumping on it. we will see how it plays out. >> oh, yeah.

>> good to see you. >> always good to see you. >> here or anywhere. thanks, david. >> thank you. >> oh, to be a fly on the wall. e. jean carroll's lawyer tells what it was like behind closed doors during a deposition at mar-a-lago. we will tell you next.

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jean carroll, is spilling some serious tea on a podcast with george conway, who introduced kaplan to e. jean carroll by the way. carroll when did you see detail about what was like to depose the former president behind closed doors at mar-a-lago. take a listen. >> we have a court reporter, videographer, you are in mar-a- lago. what do you think you will get for lunch? where are you getting lunch? so i said to him, well, i raised this question with your attorneys yesterday, sir. they graciously offered to provide us with lunch. at which point, there was a huge pile of documents and exhibits sitting in front of him. he took the pile and just throw it across the table. he looks at me from across the table and says, see you next tuesday. you could tell that it was kind of a joke. again, like teenage boys will come up with. my colleagues are like, do you know what that means? i'm like, no, what are you talking about? they tell me, and i'm like, oh my god. thank god i did not know, because had i known i would've for sure got an angry.

>> my panel is back with me. david, do you want to take this one? i don't expect you to tell our viewers what see you next tuesday means. they can probably figure it out. >> i wasn't going to. it's great color inside the depositions, obviously. i don't think the behavior or language would surprise anyone. that has followed donald trump and this was obviously an event that he had no desire to engage in. it obviously gets under his skin, which i guess is an important reminder as we go through the year with him as the candidate, and all this legal trouble. this doesn't bother donald trump. and it really does get him angry that he is under the gun on all this stuff, as you see related to that story. >> how does providing much get him angry? >> if you go down the rabbit hole, this is about a female slur against a woman, which he had no problem saying in the room in front of her. in a case that he did not need to be in, if he could shut his mouth

about women. they are self owns for no reason. i'm glad she did not understand the slur being said to her. so she did not get angry, but like it's more raw and route then we are giving credit for. >> speaking of rock, politico some quite interesting information about the way president biden views his predecessor and now likely competitor. sick if blank blank k, what a flipping -- >> presidents sweat and use profanity as well. president biden does a time have a short fuse when it comes to discussing policy, and i think we all know there's no love lost between the two leaders in this election right now. >> is it really leaked, or is

this a way of showing you are a tough guy? >> the most insightful thing in that whole political story is the line that says the white house has no comment. >> yeah, because he almost said it publicly. he had to self added at one point, but he almost said it publicly. >> i feel like people want to hear some of it don't you think? >> yeah. i think the anger they feel can be well used against donald trump. >> to your point, i mean there has been criticism that people want to see somebody who attacks , the fighter, they want to see strength. you can imagine there are sites that say this release that. >> all right, everybody. great conversations. it certainly ended on a string note. please join me on sunday for state of the union. republican presidential hopeful nikki haley will be my guest along with democratic south carolina congressman james clyburn. we hope to see you this sunday

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