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nikki haley is sitting down at the breakfast club and taking her sharpest shots yet at one donald trump, calling him toxic, saying he lacks moral clarity. you may have heard about that. but did you hear what she said when the topic turned to racism in america again? well, hear it for yourself. >> can you admit that america is systemically and structurally a racist culture? >> i think culture has a lot to do with it, right? when you look at it, how do you fix it? >> all men are created equal. no, they weren't. >> we made that wrong right. we have more rights we have to do. >> so, systemically and structurally, you think america is racist. not the people, not everybody in america?

>> i think we have racism in america. and i think we have cultural issues. >> that's a trick question. when nikki haley failed to answer the question, if there is a correct question, what was the cause of the civil war? well, that's the question. and there is an actual answer. it's slavery. did she get it right this time? or did she not get it right? i want to bring in the co-host of the higher learning podcast. van, usually in person. i'll take this instead, in philadelphia. you heard this. she had more than a few bites at the apple to get the answer to the audience and get the message that she wants to convey. it is still not landing. why? >> courage. courage. i mean, you know, nikki haley fails when she's asked to talk about race in america.

most politicians do. the fact is, there's no way to contextualize black people in america, without acknowledging that racism has been a large part of the existence here. if we can't talk about that, the inability to meet that controversial moment, will meet the inability to talk about it. she failed and i suspected she would. >> i was thinking something you said earlier today. when i talk about racism and she was asked about racism, you talked about black. i wondered if she has not broadened her perspective to include black and brown and a whole host of issues. is it somehow to admit it or suggest it, failing a dog whistle test? is it wrong to -- if it wrong for her to address it because people want to view it only as it relates to black people in this country? >> i mean, perhaps.

the oldest question of racism that america has to answer is the question of black people. there's several questions that america has to answer. to me, the more important question is, why does she have to do what she did? why does kamala harris or jim clyburn or any others when they ask if america has been a racist country, why do we have to lie about it? it doesn't seem to make sense. it seems to look at things through an unserious lens. she talks about talking about taking the confederate flag down on top of the statehouse when she was the governor there. the interesting thing i think about that. she took that down after the nine people that were quikilled. does she do it in 2010 if they don't get kill ld? we can curtail some of this stuff but as long as we're

cowards, we can't get it done. >> why take it down if you don't believe its presence is a problem? if you don't believe it connects to something different, as well? on that point, she was pressed on the issue of race. i want you to hear what she responded later on. >> there is racism in our country. i don't think that our country was founded to be racist. i don't. we are not there yet. >> if you didn't look at men equal from the beginning, the ideology flows. >> why can't you tell kids, we're not perfect. and we have some more things to m fix. i don't want any child to think like that. >> here's my issue.

i want you to respond. i don't know how telling children the truth about history makes them somehow less informed and educated. i talk to my daughter about sexismogyny and that did not mean her. what should her answer have been? >> her answer, the motion that america has never been a racist country is absurd. she is talk about words written by thomas jefferson. he allowed his children to live h as slaves. he allowed his kids to be slaves. he was a huge slave owner.

he didn't mean it. it's not about living in the past. it's about understanding the past and letting everyone know if we want a better future, we have to be intentional how we look at our country. we can't do that by lying. we tell everybody else who the villains are. why do we have to lie about this? i wonder what she hopes to establish, with giving people a false sense of where america has been. >> there's a requirement that you have to lie in order to progress. i think both can be true. you can acknowledge what america has been and the experiment is not over. and the legal system striving to

be a justice system in this country. that's why i'm not running for president. thank you so much. let's talk with michael singleton who worked on campaigns. and a former obama white house senior director. i'm glad you're both here. in the grand scheme of things, how many times do you think a presidential candidate is pressed on the things that might be an achilles' heel. the fact there's an answer that could be as reducted as that's no longer who we want to be. why is this such the elusive response? >> this idea that calling anything racist, that that word is so much worse than any of the acts that we use to define what racism would be. this trips up democratic

candidates, too. in the white house, they have not said america is racist. it gets to the mythology of who we are and how the experiment is incomplete. he did a smart thing there. he pointed to institutions and systems. not the theory of the country. and latch on to that. i would love to hear governor haley talk about how the civil rights movement allowed her family, like mine, as south asian immigrants, to come here. our people were considered undesirable, until the civil rights movement made immigration reform happen. there's a solidarity she could have found in that with black and other brown people and she chose not to. >> that's fascinating. you think governor haley. i think ambassador haley. the world looks to the united

states, sometimes with extraordinary reverence. and other times with, i can't believe what you say because i see what you do. particularly in the civil rights era. and did not guarantee things for our own society. when you look at this, sir michael and hear this as a strategist. it's not just lip service. but why not acknowledge a past and pivot towards what you intend to do? >> there's an interesting orthodoxy in the republican party when it pertains to race. it's the idea that if we're talking about this, you're perpetuating the divide. the idea that if we move forward, that the differences will come together in society. we will get to the point that this isn't much of a big deal. and to buck that idea.

this is interesting, right? as a conservative of color, this is what conservatives of color experience. you go one of two routes. acknowledge the past and talk about what we're experiencing and this is how we should address it. and you have many other that aren't willing to do that. the group that i natively belong to, they are skeptical because of my party identification as is. if i take a different position on a different issue, they will identify me. they will accept me as long as i am embolding the ideas. for haley, i don't know if this is subconscious. but i had conversations with other conservatives of color, who struggle should i say

something on this issue and be ostracized? the group will say, we're skeptical. are you as pure on the ideals as you say you are? this is complicated. but often times, we discuss the issues and think she should have known better. society is complicated. we need to unpack this to understand why is she so unwilling to acknowledge what we think should be easy. >> you know what is easier than anything you described, being auth authentic. i'm not krilcriticizing you. how do i say? who do i please? >> you see that pattern with people of color that happen to be republicans. a small camp will say, we shouldn't say anything. >> there's a whole other camp we

welcome you into. that's the democratic party. zblu want to get something else going. one says, you're delaboring the question of race with nicki hail haley. she is getting to the criticism of trump. and she was passed by her critique and taking on trump. listen to this. >> how can you be looked at as a leader if you look like you're kissing up to trump? you look like a lackey that wants to be his running mate. >> i never kissed up to trump. i told him the hard truth. the reason we worked together. when he did something wrong, i showed up and said, you cannot do this. i said you can do x, y and z. i was disciplined and focused.

i needed to get the others out. i knew it would be him at the end. he is my focus now. >> what's your reaction? >> she was his ambassador to the united nations. she stood up for all of his policies, including bringing russia into the oval office. after january 6th, she defended him. now when it's convenient, she's attacking him. i see the politics and the gymnastics she's involved in here. the record is the record. she was an ardent supporter of donald trump. >> the new poll from quinnipiac. they show biden beating trump in a hypothetical match-up. and haley beating -- hypothetical. i was trying to throw shade.

and haley, in the hypothetical beating biden for republicans. is that her focus? >> how can that be the focus when you can't get out of the primary? donald trump is going to be the nominee, if any of us like it or not. the republican base wants to give him a second opportunity. that goes back to nikki haley and the level of authenticity or inauthenticity. and there's a yearning for acceptance in the party. i don't believe that nikki haley has found her stride as a person of color and a member of the republican party. the base may have disagreements with some of the positions of different issues. there would be greater respect if there was a perception that the authenticity is there.

>> she says she is not going anywhere because she is the person to beat. i can't do more bets. and the vegas odds are talking about engagement stories instead of the actuagame. thank you so much. here's one thing that congress does agree on, wait for it. regulating social media. the tech ceos were in the hot seat. it was a hot seat today. they were grilled about the risks of their products for children. when is the action coming? >> you have blood on your hands. you have a product that is killing people.

well, fiery hearings on capitol hill, they're a dime a dozen these days. what is rare is when lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are directing their anger at the same target. you know what? that is precisely what happened today. who was the target? the tech ceos in the line of fire, relentlessly questioned and criticized and lectured by senators about the safety of children using their platforms. >> you have gblood onyour hands. you have a product that's killing people. >> will you set up a victim's compensation fund with your money? the money you made on the cities behind you, yes or no? >> your platforms really suck at policing themselves. >> they're the tech companies

that contributed to this crisis. >> children are not your priority. children are your product. children, you see, as a way to make money. >> the immediate leaders were pk against the accusations. they say they have spent billions of dollars to protect kids and are committed to keeping doing so. but the heat didn't relent. it was mark zuckerberg who faced the majority of it. it was his eighth appearance before a congressional hearing. the facebook founder apologizing to families saying they were harmed by online content, after a grilling by senator josh holly. >> would you like to apologize to the victims? show him the pictures. would you like to apologize for what you've done to these good people? >> i'm sorry.

>> the things that your families have suffered. this is why we've invested so much. in these efforts to make sure that in one has to go through the extra things that your families are had to suffer. >> joining me now, media analysts, sara fisher. it's so good to see you. i have to get the reaction to turning around to look at the people and many with pictures in frames. how did that moment play? >> this is a start of a new trend on capitol hill. in the past, laura, we've seen the ceos get grilled by lawmakers. it's them versus the members of congress. and what bringing the families and the victims in did, it created a new dynamic. they were not getting heat from the lawmakers but the people in the audience clapping and cheering for them, bashing the tech ceos. in the future, that moment is

going to prompt members of congress to bring more victims or witnesses in to spice up hearings. at the end of the day, it wasn't that sexy of a hearing. the same stuff we've been hearing for many years. we rarely see a ceo stand up and apologize to families like that. it was a very emotional moment in that moment. >> that's the concern. that's the eighth time that zuckerberg was here. i have to stoic and listen. and the lip service can dm commence. and there's no intangible i can provide. congress is in agreement, about regulating social media. maybe not how. but the concept of it. they haven't gotten it done. why? >> even though it's a bipartisan agreement and they say it's a priority, it's not. at the end of the day, we don't have a budget. the budget needs to get passed,

right? a new congress will come in next year. and the reason they're doing this hearing is to get attention to the issues to get support to pass a collection of bills through. we've seen this time and time again. we've had one child online safety bill. and that's on sex trafficking. i'm skeptical that anything is going to get done. >> i'm skeptical because i different parts of your life you become aware of and concerned about things that are going to implicate and impact your families. they're on the youtubes and the social media. they are exposed to more than i even know. even with being vigilant.

this is amy klobuchar with her take on this issue. >> when a boeing plane lost a door in mid light several weeks ago, nobody questions the decision to ground a fleet of over 700 planes. why aren't we taking the same type of decisive action on the danger of these platforms when we know the kids are dying? >> she has a point? >> the challenge is, if you want to change internet laws you have to come up with what you replace them with. so many of our businesses are built around the web. one law gives the social media companies protection against lawsuits. so many members of congress say we need to repeal that law. what are we going to replace it with? there's nothing to replace it

with. you can ground planes and you're not going to throw off an entire entry if you ground one fleet. if you change one internet law and don't have a replacement, everything you do online gets shut down. she has a point, but it's harder to do it. that might be why they kept the o onus on the companies. let the lion beside how they will be punished for the kill. >> the hearings are productive. a lot of times the tech companies will implement the changes that the bills suggest because of the threat of them. it prepares them for this hearing. snapchat and meta started to introduce changes that are included in the proposed bill. the bill was not passed but effective. we've seen movement. same thing with political ads and data prycecy.

>> i invite the audience to weigh in during the show and to tweet and instagram about what the comments are. there's one conversation that came in. it was a rhetorical one. how can there be bipartisan support for child safety online, but not bipartisan support for children who are dying from gun violence. poignant question and one i wish we had an answer for. thank you so much. ahead, it was a settlement that was supposed to see the nfl make payouts to players suffering from brain diseases linked to concussions. there's a new investigation saying the deal is full of broken promises. to duckduckgo on all your devie

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it was considered a landmark settlement. aiming to end the concussion crisis. one of the legal threats to america's favorite sport, football. even though the nfl admitted no wrongdoing, the nfl did promise to compensate any retired player with brain dementia linked to concussions. but the expose in "the washington post" found, in the seven years since the settlement opened, 900 dementia claims have been approved while 1,100 claims have been denied. costing the nfl $1.2 billion to date. that's just scratching the surface of this extensive

report. did the settlement live up to expectations or fall way short? will hobson is the reporter behind the report. we have marcus smith ii, as well. i'm glad to have you both here. going to begin with you, will, on this piece. you open the piece talking about 78-year-old irv cross. he's a former nfl player. he was denied help, despite dementia and being diagnosed it by his own doctor, by the way. why is this story so impactful? >> this settlement was supposed to make whole players who were dealing with the later life effects of playing in the nfl and situations like irv cross have played out.

mr. cross had dementia, had been diagnosed by his own doctor. he didn't have dementia as the settlement defined it. he didn't qualify for care that he and his family think he should have gotten? >> how do they define it? this investigation talks about what the criteria was. in part, there's a special set of doctors that have to determine it, not your own, right? >> the nfl's lawyers and players came up with the own way to define dementia, which is more difficult than how doctors diagnose it in america. there's situations where the players are diagnosed with their own physicians and they go to the settlement. >> put that back up on the screen. that comparison. that's important for people to see, the distinction of what it takes. in everyday practice, one or two impaired results in one cognitive category.

for the nfl settlement, the criteria was four impaired tests in two categories. marcus, let me turn to you. you experienced multiple concussions in your final playing. experiencing the effects of it while you were playing. you've been an advocate for trying to make sure that the sport is safer, that people are recognized for what's going on. what's your reaction to this imbalance? >> i think my reaction is we have to be more proactive, about the football players. with me dealing with suicide and an attempt in 2017 and '18, i think going through that -- that was a tough time for me. a lot of us who deal with the impairments, we want a sense of peace, a sense of hope.

going through that in the settlement, i believe that we should be getting the compensation. all of us should get some type of compensation for that. that's how i feel ant it. i think that all football players really feel the same way about that. >> that's an important point you raise. we're a litigious society. we get corrective action through lawsuits and class action. getting ahead of it and having ways to make people whole again. the nfl said this. the medical evaluations are performed by independent doctors. the diagnoses are assessed be i the independent settlement administrators. and medical claim reviews are performed by independent medical experts.

the nfl plays no role, as ul claims are made by independent administrators appointed by and responsible to the court. what's your response? >> from the nfl's perspective, they paid out more in the settlement than they expected to. they look at $1.2 billion they spent to players and families. and they think, that's more than we thought they were going to spend. there's another 1,100 players who feel like they should have been compensated. this can be costing the nfl a good amount of money. but there's lots of families who deserve the same money and not getting it. >> something tells me that the nfl is not hurting for cash. i can't speak to it.

i'm guessing here. it takes a toll that amount of money. marcus, you love the sport. i think about my own son and playing football. he's 11. my thoughts goes to our discussions. is there a way to make the sport safe center. >> i wouldn't say it's failed. there's things out there that can help football players. a place i went to, to actually help my general health and help the cognitive impairs i was dealing with. with tms, that's something that really helps football players. i don't think it's out of the equation. as a kid, i think you should wait a certain time limit to play the sport, right?

your brain is not developed until you're 25, 26. we think of head trauma and hits to the head, you want to wait on that. so the brains can be developed before they do that. i wouldn't say it's out of the question. i why why you have a concern about that. but it's having the education and knowing there's stuff out there to help you with your impair ms and brain health. >> i appreciate your honesty in that. and recognizing what can be done to help. especially with the mental health component. i appreciate it, this in depth reporting. we were wondering what happened to this. i'm glad you're following that thread going into super bowl and pro bowl. let's talk about the other side of the sport, as well.

day five of a historic court case. a michigan mother on trial, the killings carried out by her son. she is charged with involuntary manslaughter for her alleged role in her son's rampage that left four students dead and several others wounded. in court today, prosecutors showed placed body cameras where she and her husband were arrested in a warehouse. they hid out here, with more than $6,000 in cash.

jurors heard from a firefighter and a friend who said the two had an affair. days after the rampage, he testified that she texted him and said, quote, i failed as a parent. i failed miserably. and in another exchange, she texted him, we're on the run again. helicopters, not sure where to. prosecutors allege that she ignored her spiraling son. and instead of getting help, they bought him a gun. but the defense says she had no idea how much her son was struggling. and they blame the school. a big disqualification and delayed award. the u.s. figure skating team getting the gold two years after the 2022 beijing olympics. two members of that team are going to join me next.

tonight, a monumental victory after a lengthy two-year wait. the u.s. olympic figure skating team is being awarded the gold medal for the 2022 beijing olympic games. that after russian figure skater was disqualified over a long-running doping controversy. she will be sus spended from international competition through 2025. joining me now, figure stating captains and gold medalists, madison chalk and evan bates. i'm happy for both of you.

congratulations. madison, let me begin with you. team usa finally recognized and are making histories now, as the u.s. skating team to grab that gold. how does it feel after all this time? >> it feels incredible. it's been a blessing to reunite with our team, via text and in person, to start celebrating this victory. i'm proud of all of the skaters and i can't wait to celebrate with them when the real medal ceremony takes place. >> i thought, who can be better than this? and now, the fact that you have been hanging in limb befor almost two years. what was that wait like for you? >> thanks a lot.

we're so proud of the way the team has handled the two-year wait. it's an unprecedented effect. the first time that clean athletes have won medals and left the rest empty-handed. it's brought relief for many of us. we're overjoyed. becoming olympic champions is what we dreamt of since we were kids. >> have you talked to the other members of the team? >> not all of them yet. few of them already. and the general feeling is elation and excitement. we can't wait to be created to celebrate together. >> i can't wait to see that. you mentioned the thought of a clean athlete. that ought to be a phrase not to be uttered. and the russian figure skater is

banned for testing positive for a banned drug. and russia has a history of deepid doping allegations. is enough being done now? >> this particular case, there is an underlying sense of sadness. we're talking about a 15-year-old child here, who had an illegal substance in her system. we are taught about strict liability. we're 100% responsible for everything that goes into our body. we're talking about the olympic games. maintaining a level playing field is so important. it takes a lifetime of work to reach that level. every clean athlete deserves the chance for a gold medal. >> madison, how do you see it? >> i agree with evan.

it's unprecedented. but we are proud to be in this situation. eat it gives an opportunity for a great platform to promote clean athletes and show this is the integrity of the olympic games. it must be upheld. there is nothing more important than having a level playing field and making sure every athlete has the right to achieve their dreams on the level playing field. >> only on the level playing field do you realize what its is like to be on the podium and stand tall and strong. what will come next? when do you get to hold and see the gold medals? >> we aren't sure hen that will be. we have a dream, an olympic dream. that we would hold the

ceremonies or the olympic ceremonies would be held for us at the paris games so we can have an olympic moment and be surrounded by friends and family. we're really hoping that's how it will pan out. >> we hope that for both of you. again, so proud america is proud of you and the team. thanks for delivering geld. two years later. congratulations to you both. >> thank you so much. everyone makes us all proud. thank you for watching. i'll be live on instagram in a few minutes. tune in to the after-thousand there. our coverage continues.

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