that's it for me on cnn prime time, cnn tonight with laura coates starts right now. take it away laura. >> so nice to see you, abby philip, always great show. good evening everyone, i'm laura coates and tonight the explosive fourth indictment of donald trump and 18 of his allies in georgia is moving pretty fast and may just have days aged her themselves in, it is coming up next friday. we have got a great lineup of smart voices -- carry sweatshirt, matt lewis, getting queen -- and my interview with you one and only morgan freeman. but first, an ironic twist

everyone. before 9/11 and, of course, before becoming trump's wing man, a man by the name of rudy giuliani made his name from putting mobsters behind bars. he did so, i might add, using the very same laws that are being used against him now. two decades ago we -- he actually wrote in his book on leadership, and i'm quoting, here i dreamed up the tactic of using the federal racketeer influence and corruption's act to prosecute the mafia leadership. unquote. otherwise known as rico, for those following along. at the time, the law actually was relatively new. the giuliani, he popularized it making it the model for state and federal prosecutors for decades to come when it comes to large groups attempting a type of conspiracy, including, i might add, fani willis. the fulton county d.a. is now charging rudy giuliani with

several crimes for his efforts to allegedly overturn the election, including racketeering. now, the rico laws, something that he has, well, he has championed for years. >> the upper level people are not used to being convicted and they're certainly not used to be convicted under racketeering, charging them with violations of the federal racketeering influencing, and corrupt organization strapped shoot, the wreck of statute. this is a new way of doing business and a more effective way to crush them. >> if you look at her other racketeering indictments you will see that those are the same things that we do in all of these cases. >> i think the two of them together would make an excellent wrinkle case, racketeering case like the cases that i used to bring, not only against the mafia, but against boesky. >> the clinton foundation is a fraud, the clinton foundation to me is a racketeering enterprise and the state department was a pay for play organization. >> and i push on top of it a racketeering enterprise, the clinton foundation. clinton incorporated, racketeering enterprise.

it should have an italian name, if they had an italian name they would've been prosecuted already. >> if i were back in my old job of u.s. attorney would probably indict the clinton foundation as a racketeering enterprise. >> i know you are thinking, okay, laura those are references from years ago. i mean, there is no way that rudy giuliani is still touting rico considering of course what he is going through right now. right? >> not if they do it i recommended four years ago, they could easily do for them, which is bring a racketeering case. the statute of limitations has not run on a racketeering case, i can get them all in. and hunter biden is the classical definition of a racketeering case. >> that did say august 1st on the upper right part, you saw that, right? tonight cnn is reporting that giuliani is now struggling to keep up with his legal bills, staring down hundreds of thousands of dollars and many

losses related to his work for trump even after the election. and today he is defending himself by referencing the very work we just talked about, the work against gangsters. >> i'm the same rudy giuliani that went after the mafia, i haven't changed one bit. the country has become fascist and communist, but i haven't. rudy giuliani, the same quest for justice. if donald trump committed a crime, i would put him in jail. >> well, let's get to the news tonight. former chief of staff mark meadows, who is also charged, is now trying to move his case to federal court. i want to bring in jamal joffre, a former associate wife of council to george w. bush and founder and executive director of the national security institute at george mason university. joe meal, even i have been talking about, frankly, a lot of these matters for quite some time. this was expected to have this now fourth indictment, it is

coming out of georgia. one of the big issues, of, course is that the attorney, fani willis, the prosecutor, said 19 people no problem. i can do it all in one trial and i'm going to have the trial date set within six months. a lot of people ears perked up and said, wow, what is the moon like on your planet? >> yeah, this is going to be a tough case for her to pursue with all these defendants. they're going to try to sever under georgia law, some are going to move this to federal court, there is going to be a series of arguments about the very acts that she charged. 161 acts in the recount alone, some of them fairly early in the process of the day after the election. the president making speeches publicly, tweeting stuff out on twitter, you know a lot of these things are going to be debated about whether this is free speech, the president can debate whether or not there was fraud in the election and the this is a hard case to bring. there are a lot of really legit

facts that she cites in her indictment, the things involving the call of raffensperger that we all heard now. >> 11,780 votes. >> find those votes. some on twitter are saying find real votes, not fake votes. that's kind of ridiculous, discover, create, do whatever you need to do to help me win this election. we all know, nobody can listen to what the president said, the former president said without knowing what he was talking about. nobody is confused about what he was asking raffensperger to do there. >> it kind of have reminisces of -- it has that same lawyers hands are all over. thus speaking of mark meadows in particular, this is an issue people are really leaning into. he's kind of moved to federal court, which would essentially mean that, in georgia, it would move to the northern district of georgia, maybe more conservative than, say, the fulton county demographics that we know. the whole purpose of that being that he said, look, if you're charging me based on things that i did while i was the

chief of staff, that is under the color of law. my title, and so i get to remove these things. what -- does that bode well for you, what do you think? >> this is an interesting argument, i don't know how it goes for them. the statute does say in his official or individual capacity, but it has to be relating to his office and the responsibilities of his office. this is about a political debate that would whether's boss would stay in office, not clear that this is under the color of that authority. it is a debatable proposition, at the same time, right, some of these things were taking place and congress. it is hard to know whether that is going to be a credible case that he can bring. another outside charge, or claim that he might bring, the president might bring is, look, i have civil rights. i can't get a fair trial on my rights under law in state court in georgia. i need to remove to the federal court as well. we'll see if donald trump makes those arguments as well. a hard argument break, but one that he might put out there as well. >> he's got time an opportunity to actually get it done. i'm sure he'll try a host of

defenses. i want to turn out what he has been saying, what they have been typing on truth social and beyond. there are statements that he is making right now, as well, one is that he is promising that he is going to hold a press conference. imagine that. and he says he's going to provide irrefutable proof of election fraud in georgia. are you a little stunned, a, that he is going to have this press conference. probably not, but the idea of that irrefutable proof, the election fraud in georgia, why are we just now hearing about this proof? one, and two, are you surprised he's sticking with this particular path given the indictment? >> look, he has said that there was fraud in georgia for three years, we have not seen any facts to support that. we have seen repeatedly republican officials, not just in georgia, but other states saying that i voted for donald trump, i would prefer if you are the president of the united states, but there is no fraud in her state. we saw that in georgia,

washington, we've seen it everywhere. >> also, look at this, we are talking about the george 2020 election. you've got people like brian kemp, the governor, among others which is interesting to georgia because we are not talking about the talking point of democrats who are trying to undermine donald trump. raffensperger, jeff duncan, obviously brian kemp, all republicans and conservatives warns at that. look at this, he is coming out to suggest that this was not a stolen election by any stretch of the imagination. look at these numbers, you've got three separate ballot counts that are actually confirmed that biden won by -- there is the magic number 11,780. the size of the lead here is significant in these key areas. what does it tell you about the fact that you've got these data points and yet this statement? >> the president is gonna continue to assert that he won the election, he should be an office today, and georgia is a part of that. he has made that point consistently, he has not deviated from it.

now, because charges has been brought, would -- where he's been or where he's going down the road. he's going to argue, through the 2024 elections, that he should have been in office for the last four years. >> let's talk about this document, because if you remember yesterday, first of all we have all been anticipating this particular indictment, but then all of a sudden something was posted on the docket and everybody wonders if heads would roll. and then there's the question of fani willis, wait a second, something was posted all of a sudden and then it was taken down, and kind of a yo-yo, take it and give it back. and then she had to answer questions. she said, i'm not going to speculate. we are now learning information about this very thing that apparently they did some sort of a test run to figure out how you're going to post this, you are shaking your head because many people were as well going, why don't you just post the test document? it has legs though, and people are trying to suggest that this was a foregone conclusion, that

it was always in the cards, it was not a fair process, what do you say? >> look, everybody knew these charges were coming. we've been talking about this for months, we knew the cases being presented to the grand jury. fani willis herself said that, so there is no question that this was coming. should they have done a better job, should they have focused -- this the right way, tested it in a better manner? of course. at the end of the day, the reality is the grand jury -- for this indictment, they are behind it, that's the facts on the ground, regardless of whether they tried to post it or not a day earlier. there is no conspiracy here about the grand jury, the grand jury brought the charges, they voted for and that is the process in the state of georgia. >> it was earlier that day, it was not even a time before hand. of course the fact that if you're looking for it and you're looking for conspiracy theory you might find one. we'll see what happens, thank you jamil jaffer, it's so nice to see you. up next everyone, donald trump is intensifying his attacks on, we'll, you guessed it. fani willis. daniel dale will be here to fact check some of the claims

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well, it is only a tuesday night but there are already wild accusations from sex to murder. donald trump is intensifying his attacks on fulton county d.a. fani willis. joining me now for a fact check is cnn senior reporter daniel dale. i'm so glad you're here right now, i'm hearing a lot about this woman and her as a prosecutor. a lot of it tight coming from donald trump, but i'm curious as to what is true and fact and fiction.

i think of a sense of what is what, but one thing that trump is saying is that willis should stop spending so much time focusing on, i guess, him and, this is a quote, to instead focus on the record number of murders in atlanta. so, tell, me how do this just 66 in atlanta actually matchup to the claim? >> this is one of the many cases where trump could make a point if he stuck to the actual facts, but instead exaggerates himself into falseness. the could accurately said atlanta, like much of the country has seen a murder spike between the pandemic between 2020 and 2022. atlanta's 2022 murder number, it was 170 homicides, was the highest since 1996. but it is not record, in fact, according to his decision sticks, that a consultant provided to me, it is only the 23rd highest homicide number for atlanta, it is like 30 face if you do per capita numbers. not even close to a record, it's about 100 lower than the record set in 1973. and i'll make another point, the trump campaign released an

attack at attacking willis and prosecutors were prosecuting trump and it included a quote in big text. it said so far this year, atlanta has nearly 60% more murders. you see that and think, that is terrible. but if you look at the small, faded print it shows that this year is actually 2021. that is when there was a giant spike. if you look at the number so far, this actually, year 2023 it is about 25% decline year over year compared to 2022. >> it is always a bit odd to talk about the prosecutor and the stats on the actual crimes that are committed, although the goal is to prosecute editor, but it is -- for police chief or other policies involved. and that same post, but wait, there is more, as they say. you went on, the thumbs were busy, former president also accused willis of, and this one is very salacious. >> it is bananas. >> it is quote, having an

affair with a gang member of a group that she is prosecuting, unquote. is there anything to that? >> there is not, and it's bonkers. i will walk people through it because it is confusing. there is a rapper that people may or may not know called -- he's part of a hip-hop collective whose other members willis is prosecuting, alleging that that collective is a criminal street gang. now mondo gave an interview to rolling stone magazine in december saying like, fun fact, in 2019 when fani willis was a defense lawyer she actually represented me. we had a cool relationship, we had like auntie did nephew, mothers on type of talks, she's a great lawyer. no hint of an affair. some how the trump campaign twisted that into fani bulls is fighting relationship with a gang member that she was prosecuting, even though she didn't hide, it she confirmed to rolling stone, yeah representative when i used to be a defense lawyer, and then somehow trump went further than that and took the hiding a relationship saying and turned it into hiding some sort of

affair. like a sexual, intimate relationship. there is no hint anywhere in that rolling stone article of an affair, no hint anywhere that he has provided. zero evidence because it appears there is no evidence at all. >> it's a talking point in the. less finally there is also trump attacking her for refusing to investigate the supposed theft of the 2020 election. walk me through that one. >> you walk through it a moment ago. you might as well say she's refusing to investigate leprechauns or chemtrails or something. there is no theft to investigate, this was a free and fair election, he lost georgia fair and square the outcome was certified by republican secretary of state brad raffensperger, by republican governor brian kemp who again affirmed today on twitter the legitimacy of that election. and look, he lost. he claims he is coming forward with massive conclusive proof on monday, years had to have ears to show such proof and has not come even close. >> imagine that. daniel dale, i'm so glad you're here to fact check all of this. unbelievable that we are

actually in this moment, thank you so much everyone. for more on this i want to bring in former district attorney gwendolyn keys fleming. i'm so glad that you are here tonight, thank you for joining me. first there is a lot happening in georgia as you could imagine, i'm sure you would know. a lot of focus on what is happening in fulton county, you are with the call county obviously, but there is a lot of very big similarities. i have to ask you what was your impression when you saw this indictment roll out? we're talking over 90 pages. rico is the big umbrella, it requires a bit of an explanation about what that actually means, but what did you make of that indictment? >> i had mixed emotions. one, i'm very proud of fani, the dea, her team, they've worked hard for two years and this is the culmination of those efforts. the special grand jury with 75 witnesses over the course of just under here, that is a huge undertaking and now you are finally at the point where you can actually see the fruits of those efforts.

but, at the same time, it is a sad day for our country to think about what this means in terms of history of indicting a former president and many of his colleagues. so i think now is the time to see what is going to be happening going forward, we have already seen some motions, you mentioned them earlier, we can expect to see many more from several members of the defense teams. but we will also see a prosecutor's office that is ready for the moment. >> prosecutors are always going to be a little bit on edge in terms of their safety because the nature of the work that you do is going to bring you not only under scrutiny, but you're not the most popular person in the courthouse, let's just say that. i bet a prosecutor myself. do you have concerns about her safety? because we just talked about some of the targeted attacks against her. she is already had an increase of security as well, but now that this is even going to be a televised proceeding, it is already been to some degree, she is at press conferences, she's not shying away from the camera. you have concerns about her

safety? >> i think any prosecutor would in this sort of scenario, and certainly i have not seen the attacks. she is shared them with some of her staff, but the fact that she has reached out to the sheriffs for protection, she is notified the judges to have them keep their staff at home, she has kept many of her staff at home to limit the number of people who are in the courthouse. you can tell that she is taking these various attacks variously. i think all of fulton county and law enforcement will continue to do so going forward and i just have to hope and pray that those efforts, those protective efforts work. >> you know, the biggest story is the sheer number and scope of all the people who have been charged. the idea that this is now a fourth and historic indictment that includes a former president, but it includes like 19 people total. she has said just yesterday in our press conference that she intends to try this case together, these defendants together, which automatically people go wait. 19 defendants all at once? and whoever gets this case as

the judge, if they have hair today, they will not have it later because they will yank it out with 19 different defense councils. do you think that's a realistic explanation? this is a rico charge, which includes an enterprise as the whole predicate of everything. the idea of altogether, can that be done here? >> there are a couple things to think about. one, having a rico indictment in a lot of ways makes it easier because, as you know, the prosecutor likes to tell the story. and now you can tell the whole story with even those acts and little bits of information that helped build upon some of the actual crimes that he would have to prove. so, in the statute, you would have to prove to predicate acts out of all of those that she alleged she only has to prove to be successful. i think the other thing that is important keep in mind is that she is an experienced prosecutor. she has handled these rico cases before, she is handled multi, 12 or 20 defending cases

before. so while it may seem like 19 is a little untoward or might be difficult, we don't know that there will actually be 19 or even 18 at the time of the trial. as we go through, like you know, there are going to be motions, some of those may cut in the defensive favor, some may cut and heard favor, there are going to be discovery issues and sharing of discovery once the defense team scenes what that evidence is they may start to make decisions where they either want to make deals to lesser charges or take lesser sentences. >> or removed federal. court >> or removed federal court. there are a lot of possibilities here, just during the normal course of a criminal trial that may naturally narrow that number down. but, the key thing is that she is ready to go and i think that is the underlying theme that we all have to remember. if she had said anything less, people would be questioning is she certain about her case, issue really ready? and she's not a prosecutor that's going to leave you questioning about her ability or her readiness to take this case to trial. >> to be clear, she will be questioned nonetheless. that is just the nature of the

game, but we're looking forward to seeing what happens next. not in the sense of glee, but in the sense of an eye towards history and what all of this means. thank you for being here today. >> nice to see you. >> my next guest everyone, says that these new charges make it likelier that trump will attend next week's debates. it is coming in milwaukee, and we'll talk about that next. plus, we are now learning what special counsel jack smith wanted to see when he subpoenaed trump's twitter account. my cpa told me

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reaction to donald trump is now fourth, yes fourth indictment from his 2024 rivals, the very ones who are trying to actually best him for an rnc nomination, well, it is best described as a mixed reaction. here's a little taste. >> we see the legal system being weaponized against political opponents that is un-american and unacceptable. >> even if you disagree with some of the criminal charges here, if you think they were in overreach, or on this one, they are unnecessary, it doesn't get rid of the underlying conduct which is what we should be discussing in the campaign. >> and so i think it is an example of this criminalization of politics. i don't think this is something that is good for the country. >> well, the florida governor, governor ron desantis, was also saying that these indictments have actually helped trump in the polls. the question now is will they lead him to the debate stage? it is coming up this coming

wednesday. my next guest has a new column arguing that it just got a whole lot likelier. daily beast columnist matt lewis joins me now, he's also the author of the new book filthy rich politicians. matt lewis, nice to see you here on this evening. listen, i bet fox news hopes you are right because they definitely would like him to be on that debate stage. i'm not sure the other candidates, on the one hand want him to be there, but they know that it will be a bigger draw. he's been playing coy, to say the least, over his plans. why do you think that this would be something that is more likely now? >> well, first of all, you have serious people wanting to talk about law staff and prosecutors and as a political pundit, we're obsessed with things like debates. so this is been a big question for a long time. will donald trump show up to the debate and it's hard to tell because he likes drama.

he likes to kind of mislead people and swoop in at the last moment. strategically speaking, he might not want his adversaries to know if he is going to be there, that where they have to prop two different, you know we prepped for trump there, we prep for trump not. there is so i have always thought, look, donald trump loves attention, he craves attention, and he has this need to also demonstrate his toughness and middle keys mo. and so for those reasons i always thought that at the last minute trump would try to show up for the attention. i think this indictment probably put it over the top and makes it much more likely that trump shows up for a few reasons. one, although it doesn't look like his rivals are going to capitalize on it, you could imagine that this would be their moment. >> matt, european too generous. it doesn't work like they're going to attack him because they're not going to attack him.

>> again, i think this, chris christie might. mike pence might. but i think ron desantis is a big missed opportunity, but that's the story of his entire campaign is a missed opportunity. the interesting thing is that donald trump, i think, realizes that the mar-a-lago case and now this george a case are serious and there is a precedent for it. i don't know if you remember, but way back in 2016 the access hollywood video dropped on october 7th and, man, it was devastating. i think every one, a lot of people thought trump might even drop out, but there is a debate two days later and he showed up at that debate and survived and i think he actually surprised everybody by going on the attack. and i think that debate saved his candidacy and i wonder if

maybe there is some sort of magic that he sees getting back on stage and demonstrating, once again, that he is the man. >> matt, if i remember, and at one time back and i would note just how much time has transpired, to say way back in 2016, but it is a true statement that you just made. wasn't one senator, lindsey graham, hoping to be on either the varsity or jb stage we're talking about? why don't listen to a moment about what that senator has had to say about the georgia case. >> he is spending more money on lawyer fees then running for office. january the 6th i was there, i saw it, he was impeached over it. the american people can decide whether they want him to be president or not. this should be decided at the ballot box, not at a bunch of

liberal jurisdictions trying to put the man in jail. here's one of the issues that people have with this talking point. on the one hand you heard, this is not appropriate for the impeachment proceedings. it's not right for the criminal case, it's right for the voters. but back then the voters did decide, the crux of the entire issue, they decided that biden won in the state of georgia and trump's actions are what is now getting him charged. he has got a total of 91, by the way, in four different cases. do you buy lindsey graham's statement about these issues, about leave it to the voters? >> it is such a circular argument. mitch mcconnell saying the legal world will take care of this, and now people are saying it really should have been impeachment, and so no matter what happens somebody argues that it's somebody else's job to take donald trump out or to stop donald trump from stealing elections, or what not.

i do think, listening to lindsey graham there, i think there is an electability argument that could be made in this debate. like, ron desantis could say, look, i think they are politicizing, or criminalizing politics. i think that is wrong, but, let's be honest, donald trump is now facing four indictments. he's not even going to be able to campaign next year. so i do think that there is a possibility that this could be used against trump, especially if he doesn't show up to defend himself next week. so i think that increases the odds that he'll be there. >> we shall see, we only have a couple of days until we can see whether your right or wrong. matt lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> up next, elon musk says that he is a free speech champion, everyone. but is twitter purposely slowing down access that sites the billionaire owner doesn't

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the throttled. the site impacted include the new york times, facebook, instagram, threads, bluesky, substack, and reuters. so i wonder, is ex owner, elon musk, slowing down access to sites that he dislikes? the company did not respond to cnn when we asked for an explanation but i want to talk about this now with carris which are host of pivot and on with cameras which, or who is now on with laura coats. kara, it's nice to see right now. i wonder about this whole free speech discussion with elon musk because he is billing x as a free speech platform, but if competitors and news sites are being throttled, as they say, you wonder if the platform is that open? >> he also said he is going to do a cage match in rome with mark zuckerberg and that was not true, so let's keep that in context, although he did send a

series of grippy stalker tweets at him in the middle of the night. in any case, that's the context that i want to put in. it is free speech for he but not before we. he did by the company, but what is ironic is that this was the thing that he complained about and many conservatives complain about was a throttling or shadow banding and these different things, which really wasn't happening before. except when people broke the roles of the platform, although they will continue to say it isn't, so but it is just not. there is no rigorous way of doing it. this is what he is doing, he is decided to to savor and who not a favorite, who to give money to and not to give money to. in every single aspect of it is as whatever he wants, it is world and we just loving it, i guess. so it's not but surprised that he would do that. i think they pulled it off, they did throttled certain of the news organizations, but may he might be mad about a review of one of his cars, or he didn't like some profile of him, or somebody making fun of the cage match.

substack is a competitor, threads is a competitor, that is the kind of thing he's doing. it's his world. >> the famous line, it's good to be the king. yet, with all of the criticism and notion of what is happening or might be happening, some people may have slowed down using it, there have been other outlets that they used, but people are still using acts, including yourself. i still use it as well. >> honestly, i only use it to make fun of elon musk, that is my thing. i use threads for personal stuff, or instagram, or other sites. and i don't use it for most things anymore, i cut back drastically. i have had to turn off comments because of the vile things that many people are now saying, and so it is not a useful platform to me in any way. i read it, like i read a lot of things, but it has degraded as an experience and the ads are bizarre. i could have bought something

to clean out the insides of my ears the other day, that was nice, but the platform has created rather substantively. i don't know, he can do it a wants and i don't think it's getting bigger, it's getting worse. the money is last, it was never good business and now it is a worse business. but he's the richest man in the world and tesla and his rocket company are doing rather well, so he can afford to do this. >> i'm concerned about all the ads you're getting and the y, but i have to ask you the last question in the short time we have left, about the news that we're learning tonight that the special counsel has got a hold of trump's dms from twitter. what do you think investigators will find introns dms? who slides in them? >> i don't know who slides into them, but the judge in the case really -- i twitter for trying to delay, it and impossibly alerting trump to it. they want to keep it secret

because it's evidence, right. all kinds of things they are looking, for who knows when he was using it, when they were using, it probably around january six it is about who is being -- one was being used, who is accessing it. just like any other communication you would use it when investigating a crime. so twitter apparently resisted or slow rolled it and then got a 350,000 dollar fine and the judge was pretty strongly saying that he long was trying to favor donald trump in some of the transcripts released today. >> well, the judge thinking that maybe he can't be the king. cara swisher, host of pivot, thank you so much. always great to see you, thanks. >> up next, hollywood legend morgan freeman on the original black panthers, heroes of world war ii. my conversation with him at the pentagon's next. save 50% on n the sleep number limited edition smart bed. plus, free home delivery when you adddd a base. shop now only at sleep number.

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well, the sunday actor morgan freeman presents a documentary on the history channel called the 761st tank battalion, the original black panthers. it tells the story of the heroic man of the first black tank battalion in world war ii. the combat that they faced in europe and the discrimination they faced back here in america. i had a chance and pleasure to sit down with morgan freeman at the pentagon to talk about this documentary and why it was so special to him. >> tell me, how the story came here attention? >> a guy, a playwright, came to

us with the idea. i had never heard of the 761st, and then started learning about them. and how they did figure into the war to such an extent, to what extent they did figure into the conquest of the not seized in europe. why don't i know about them? >> oftentimes, history is being erased or it is being dismissed. >> rerouted. >> that's a good way of thinking about it, rerouted into the dumpster oftentimes, though. this tells about a significant intersection. the idea of this all black battalion, not only being the only ones. >> they had white commanders, so they were there. it's not like they sat back and sent these black guys, they

were with them for the most part. but it was an all-black battalion. >> and they were in combat in world war ii? they saw the combat? >> yeah, they were fighting for 183 days nonstop, pretty much. >> were they successful in battle? you mentioned the documentary goes into great detail about their extraordinary significance and roll that, although might not be known, is truly not understated. how did they perform? >> patton was commanding the third army and when they got there and they started to fight he kept them moving forward, he kept them out front. they were actually in the front lines, they were the tip of the sphere. >> it stands in such a contrast for people to understand that what they endured, the 761st, their bravery and valor may have been regarded highly overseas in the battle, but

they came home, morgan, and when they came home there was a separate battle that they still had to fight. they were not treated with dignity and respect of their white counterparts at all. >> no. black men and women have fought in every single confrontation that this country was ever in, starting with a revolution. never got quite the recognition for that effort, ever. >> you just had a chance to sit with a fireside chat with general lloyd austin. he is historic in his own right. >> oh yeah, that's our second fireside chat, actually. some months ago we talked about the seven 61st and his own

military experience coming up through the ranks, to be what he is. i remember asking him one time, do you ever think about the fact that you are black? he said every day. >> how does that strike you? >> the right thing to say. [laughter] did it surprise you that a man of that stature and rank would not be removed from the reality of race in america? >> you can't be removed from race in america. you just cannot. >> there might be some who will say, look, let's just teach about the glory of patriotism. let's teach about to the valor of our armed services collectively. why focus singularly on a particular battalion and the fact that it was black?

why is that part and should be part of our conversation about the history of, even our military and our success? >> because history just skipped over them. all of our stories, all of our heroes, people that we make movies about, particularly people that we make movies about, the war stories, they leave the black soldiers out. they have always left them out. if there is a black soldier there it is paton, for instance. there was a black soldier in there, but it was patton's man servant. no mention of the 761st anywhere in that movie. you didn't have to mention them, just to show me one of the tanks. >> there is a kind of death that takes place if you are forgotten in history. >> that is the worst death, i

think. that is, to all of those people of color who died in all those wars, unsung, unheard of, they are dead. that is total annihilation, that is deaf. we are trying to resurrect here. >> a huge thanks to morgan freeman for that, the pleasure of that conversation and the pleasure of having this documentary come delight. be sure to check it out this coming sunday. everyone, thank you so much for watching, our coverage continues next.

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