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also tonight, i have new reporting inside on donald trump's thinking regarding the special counsel january 6th probe. i am kaitlan collins. this is the source. tonight, with a window until the first votes are cast in 2024 narrowing, trump headed to trial. is there still time for a viable alternative to emerge? on the sentences still number two in the gop race. showing trump by more than 30 points in most polls. what is the florida governor's strategy, what is he doing to turn things around? he is blaming the media. >> the media does not want me to be the nominee. i think that is very clear. if you look at the people like the corporate media, who were they going after? it's pretty clear that the media does not want me to be the candidate. i think that they have tried to create a narrative and some of

the races over. >> obviously iowa will be critical for any candidate who was hoping to knock trump out of the number one spot. and republicans have just move the caucuses they're up to january 15th. martin luther king junior day. weeks earlier than it has been in recent elections. the question, is could a late entrance thing shake things up. first let's, tonight republican governor glenn youngkin of virginia. governor, thank you for being here for the premiere of the first show. >> caitlin, congratulations on this great show. great to be with you and have a chance to talk about virginia. we have a lot of great things going on. >> you do have a lot going on in virginia. and you recently went ten for ten in the contested primaries in your home state. the candidates endorsed all one. your own election in virginia was also seen as a playbook for you helpless across the country. when you look at virginia, you look at 2020, for what do you think republicans need to do nationally to win in 2024, and i went for me? >> have to look back at what we learned in 2021. first, foremost we have got to

listen to the voters and i listened to a lot of virginians about what issues were most important to them. so i think the same issue set will be in our 2023 elections. which we have in virginia, our whole house, our whole senate is up. that is what i'm focused on. that issue is really clear, cost of living has run away from folks. they're worried about the economy. what about public. safety they are really worried about education. wait about behavioral health. i hear it over and over again. and so we have focused on that in 2021. we put together a really common sense platform in order to address these issues. when i was hired, we want to work. we got a lot done. even with a split legislature. with the house controlled by republicans and senate controlled by democrats. common sense prevails. we cut taxes, we invested a record number in education. record in law enforcement. we went to work on behavioral health. we've made tremendous strides in that is why i'm confident this year that the voters would be pleased with the work that we have done in virginia. >> one other thing voters have been concerned about is abortion though. it is still top of the mind for a lot of voters. including in virginia and those

elections. you have said that you have pushed for a 15-week ban. and that it belongs, that is up to the state issue after roe v. wade was overturned. but our federal candidates or candidates running for the 2024 nomination push in front of federal, banned a rock? >> let me just begin with where things stand in virginia. so i am a pro-life governor. that is what virginians elected. i believe in exceptions in the case of rape, incest and when the mother's life is at risk. and just three years ago in virginia. the democrat-controlled legislature and governor were pushing for abortion to be legal all the way through and including birth. and virginia's view that as a way to extreme. and so when roe v wade decision came down. i viewed as a chance to bring people together. a chance to bring people together around a bill that would protect life at 15 weeks. when a baby can't feel pain. and i believe that this is the place we can come together. what i hear from virginians over and over again is that abortion all the way up through

and including birth is far too extreme. and that they want to fewer abortions. not more. and i think we can come together on this topic. and i think it will be something that is discussed extensively during the election in 2023. >> it will be, but what about a federal van? are you for that? >> i do not think again, that we have common sense bringing us together. around a 15-week bill that protects life when a child can feel pain. and this is a really important moment. there is a chance for us in virginia to really demonstrate leadership. to bring people together on a topic that has really been a divisive one. this is why i am focused on coming together on a topic that is historically been one that has divided people. let us unite each other. >> you talk about coalescing around 15. alex governor desantis is somebody, a fellow governor viewers a republican who signed a six-week ban in florida. he is obviously running against donald trump for the nomination. he has not done as people have predicted he would he has not been as big of a challenge to trump as people thought he would. do you think he would be able to be a challenge to trump? >> as i have said to folks,

because i've been asked this question frequently, when i am humbled by, i've been at this for 18 months. and gosh, 40 years ago i was washing dishes and taking out the trash in virginia beach because i needed the job. but i think what has been demonstrated is that when somebody brings common sense to an office like a governor in virginia, you get a lot of. we deliver on promises made. people pay attention. and i am encouraged by that because i think what folks are seeing in virginia is that common sense prevails. and when we lower taxes and streamline regulations and amidst a record amount in education and stand up for law enforcement and prioritize behavioral health, change can happen. and good things come of it. that is what we are encouraging. as i said, folks we are focused on 2010. three entire legislators up this year. our house and senate. i want to hold hold or house and turn our. senate >> i've heard you say you are humbled by this when he will have to give. this but evil so never ruled it

a. i think what is most encouraging is that the frequency of which people are asking. because of what is going on in virginia. and when you just said that the iowa caucus has been pulled forward into january. i am not in iowa. >> i'm going to be in virginia. >> in january, he will not be an idea. >> i think it'll be in virginia. we will hold a, house the percentage and lead. >> that's what i was hired to do. and that's what expected me. >> are you going to rule? about >> the fastest and creative ways, and i've had like many folks. i've said many many times, i'm focused on virginia. and this is one of these moments where we in virginia can demonstrate that with common sense, with collaboration, with strong principles. listen, i believe what i believe and i think i've been very clear that we will lower taxes and streamline regulations.

we are going to back parents, we're going to reestablish excellence and education. we will fund law enforcement, we will fix paper to help. these are the issues virginians have been focused on. and keep, and we have been able to deliver. i am incredibly humbled by the fact that there has been a focus on what we are doing and that has translated into national interest. i've said over and over, get him focused on the commonwealth. >> virginia is often a bellwether for national politics. people look at iran. he did also put up a campaign video not long ago people thought it looked like a presidential campaign video. talking about what republicans need to do impact the white house, we're in what you are, doing to think donald trump is the best option for republicans now? see the best your party has to offer? >> here is what i believe. we will nominate a candidate who. when >> you think -- >> i think it is time for a republican leader. i think what has been demonstrated from the biden white house is that foreign policy weakness and a disarray

in the economy. a lack of understanding of how all the pieces fit together has resulted in americas struggling. inflation is the -- crime is the second biggest issue on voters minds and third is education and i hear every day from virginia. and there is nothing to come out of the biden white house. it's most important kitchen table issues. i think this is a great opportunity for common, sends conservative values to be reflected. i will back over the candidate. is i think it's a great chance for republicans to ld again. >> even if that candidate is donald trump. when he was indicted in the documents investigation, you poedo tweet saying the charges were unprecedented. called it a sad day for the country and referred to a tiered justice system. now that you've seen the indictment, we've heard from trump in his own words in the audiotape. you still think he should not be held accountable for what is being alleged in the indictment? >> let me back up and just be

clear that what we have seen happen to the former president is inconsistent with what we've seen happen in other circumstances of elected officials. >> like which ones? >> i think this is what folks are concerned about. there are plenty allegations against the current biden white house and things that got on there. and in virginia, one of the things we saw was that the parents were standing up in school board meetings and demanding transparency and accountability in for children's education. met by the justice department of the united states. with accusations of being terrorists. alleged by one of the teachers unions. this is the inconsistency that virginians and i believe americans see. and it is something that undermines peoples trust in the system. >> you can have concerns about that. but the allegations of trump are different than that. he was the commander-in-chief. so he took documents related to national security. our allies weaknesses, u.s. weaknesses. he is on this audiotape talking of the chairman of the joint

chiefs of staff. do you have any issue after you've seen that indictment heard the audio? >> i think the big concern from people is the fact that this seems to be a differential treatment and what other elected officials are receiving? and i will repeat it again. one thing about justice is that it should be applied equally and again with the home virginia view, i was stunned. that parents were being pursued by the justice department for showing up at school board meetings. this does not comport and therefore i do think that this is what causes people to lose trust in our justice system. >> or more question on, this you talk about regular people and how they would be treated. the regular person to come classified occupants of we've seen just happen to kansas city woman, they were sentenced to prison, they are being treated differently. trump is given a lot of leeway by the justice department here. >> as you press on the, stop let me be clear. it is the difference in approach that happens to

different people that causes concern and a lack of faith in the system. as long as people are treated consistently, when elected officials and another elected official that i think that the trust is actually furthered. and when they are treated differently, it's undermined. >> i just think that the pence situation, the biden situation, they are all different in the sense of how the documents are returned and how they are participated. >> but i do not think that the american people see it that. >> it's not because they're not given accurate information? trump fought a year and i have subpoena on the justice department from. this slide his own attorneys according to this indictment in had an eight moving boxes to essentially evade them. >> again, what we are learning as the curtain is pulled back on a variety of topics is that not all elected officials have been treated the same. and i think that this is where people are scratching their heads. why aren't all elected officials treated the same here?

and in the case again of virginia parents or the biden administration, people are asking the basic question. >> let me ask you another question because i know mental health and how the -- mental health america rank your state in when it came to guns are dealing. with how they're dealing with those issues. wiser state ranks a low, we doing to change? that >> such huge. problem for, so that date is based on 20, 19 2020 comparative data. so the first thing is that virginia was right near the bottom before the pandemic. and then as you come through the pandemic it only got worse. and our behavioral health system is being overwhelmed and that is why i made it a top priority to transform it and we launched the past december, a complete transformation of our behavioral health system. called right help, right now. we will fundamentally build a

system to get people where they are. it has to extended children, particular because we have a big caps to close. top of. already can have the best state to live, work and raise a family if you don't have a healthy state. we have to treat mental health and health with equal attention. >> really important. you are not support your administration. governor youngkin, thank you for joining us here tonight. >> thank you so much, congratulations again on. herschel >> thank. you want senator has been holding military nominees for months, today the u.s. supreme court right now is without a permanent leader, senator tommy tuberville is your next on the source. try bounce, it's the sheet. less static. less wrinkles. more softness. more freshness. bounce. it's the sheet.

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at a new low price starting at $28.98. behr. only at the home depot. for the first time 164, years at the u.s. marine corps tonight as without a confirmed leader. senator tommy tuberville was blocking all military promotions and has been for four months. he's doing this to protest a pentagon policy that offers paid time off, and reimburses travel to service members who cannot get abortions where the's day shunned. earlier today, the fans secretary lloyd austin said he believes senators blockade, quote, harms america's national security. >> we have a sacred duty to do

right by those who volunteer for our nation, smooth and timely transitions have confirmed leadership, are central to the defense of the united states. >> tuberville's hard-line position has left about 265 high ranking officers and their families in limbo. by the end of the year, if this is not resolved, the pentagon says that number could rise to more than 600, and it could include the leaders of the, army the, navy and even the drawing chief of staff chairman. the person who was nominated for that position, general charles brown met with senator tuberville today in his office. we are joined tonight by senator tuberville himself, thank, you senator for being here, as we were talking about the historic nature of this, and last time the main court was left without a permanent leader was back in 1859, when -- died and 76 with no successor in place. we do not think it is important to have a permanent leader in charge of the marine corps? >> well first of, all congratulations on your new,

show and a lot of people are proud of you, but, this is an interesting situation. you know, you can't work out a problem unless you have a conversation. i've had a ten-minute conversation five months ago with anybody from the white house and the pentagon. i'm doing it for several reasons, but number one, i'm not stopping anybody from being confirmed. i'm just stopping them from confirming hundreds at a time. they can confirm as many as they want during the day, we are sitting around twiddling their thumbs most of time during the week, and should be -- but that being said they are delegating and legislating from the white house, that is another reason i'm doing. this people in this country voted for congress, they want representation. they change the law, section ten 93, the law says i, again voted on by president biden, says there will be only abortion during the three exceptions, now president biden has changed this.

he and secretary of defense now we ran hard for these positions to represent other people of our different states and districts, we are supposed to be making the, law not the pentagon, not the white house. so, that is one of the bigger reasons i have a hold on the, is it because they needed to do it the right way. it might get, passed right, send it over to congress, let's pass this. >> but you say they are violating the law, but the pentagon policy's opinion from the justice department of, says it does not violate the law, because there are not actually paying for abortions, they are paying for the travel to get there. this is, quoting from, policy the non covered reproductive health care is that the service member's expense. so, that would seem to say they're not violating the law, which is your whole premise of her blocking all the nominations. >> but first of all, i would not trust this department of justice as far as i can throw. but, you know, with a look at a different. i look at it is the law. the law is legislated through

congress. now this was a law, it was voted on by joe biden in 1985. it passed. so, it has to be a lot. to change that law, has to go back to congress. >> but what you are referencing, the hyde amendment, but there's not explicitly paying for abortions. it is paying for the time off, and their services. regardless, even if you disagree with their position on, this is their policy, a colonel who's waiting to be promoted to one star general has no say over what the pentagon's policy is. so why are you holding these officers responsible for the actions of political and civilian appointees? >> when you are in a minority in the senate, it is only power that you have, to get people's attention, to get them to do at the right way, to go by the constitution, the only power we have is to get a hold on something. so, we thought this would get the attention of the secretary of defense, i told him back in december, if you do, this i will put a hold on all your admirals and generals. i did not hear from him for two

months, he put the order through, just eight memo instead of a, lot he changed, it that is unlawful. to make it law, you have to go through congress. we are trying to teach them that you cannot legislate from the pentagon. and, so, it is a tough situation, there is nobody more military than me, caitlin, my dad was a military, career military. i'm all for the military. we need a strong military, but we also need to go by the rules and the constitution, and represent the people and taxpayers. taxpayers are not supposed to pay for anything has to do with abortion. >> your father was in the military, but when you talk about who is hurting, hair and you said you were going to do this, you are not directly hurting secretary austin or president biden here. this is a real impact on the families of these officers. they cannot move or resettle their families. they cannot enroll their kids in schools, their spouses can't take new jobs. wherever they are going to be station next. the scripts members of the military who are getting promoted from getting that pay raise. you realize that, right?

>> first of all if i thought it was hurting -- recruiting i would not be doing this. it is not doing that. i've spoken to jentleson admirals, i said we will be able to get this, done what through this and i appreciate their comments. i have talked to general brown today and general smith last week who is now the deputy was the deputy of the main snow he is a until confirmed but he was sworn in today but you have to think about this we say we are hurting the families but don't you think about this we have done a couple dozen abortions in the military for the last 40 years. now we are going to have 4000, 5000 a year because of this new rule, there's new supposed law that this administration is pushing through. let's think about the end point, let's think about the young people who are not going to be able to get in the military and be part of this country. let's think about them. >> where are you getting those numbers? some >> we had and outside service look into it and calculated and go through it

with a fine tooth comb and we set that unscented to all the people in the white house they knew this was going to have been they knew how many more there was going to be so you have to look at the facts are facts first. >> but abortion is not illegal on a national basis. it is up to the states right now. they get to decide. alabama, our home, state basically doesn't allow most abortions, but i don't understand the numbers you are citing there or where those are coming from saying that is not to jump, that is why you are changing this policy. you said we were changing, faucet your holding this because you don't want the pentagon paying for travel related to people who have to travel out of state to get an abortion >> exactly. taxpayers, 60% of the people in this country democrats and republicans and independents say, they did not want taxpayer money to go towards anything to do with an abortion. so, that is all i'm trying to, do i'm trying to get the attention of this department of defense and the white house. >> but you are saying -- senator just quickly.

>> listen to the, people let's get this, and done but there has to be conversation to get anything done. >> some clarification, because you are blocking this because the reason is in place is because the people who are stationed in certain places, if they want to get an abortion, they happen to be in a state that is not offered because of the new law to have gone in place since roe v. wade were overturned, would have to travel to another state. you are claiming abortions are going to skyrocket because the pentagon is paying for people to take off work and have to go out of state to get them? >> kaitlan abortion for the exceptions is going to -- abortion at any time, also their dependence, i mean you are adding a lot of people into this. you are adding a lot of timeframe into that during your pregnancy. that is what i'm talking about. there is no set rules on this. it is just hey, if you want to have, one have it, we will pay for your flight anywhere to a state that can do it. we will give you three weeks off, paid, that does not come out of your time off as a

service member, there is a lot added to this. it is going to be charged to the taxpayer. >> but they are not paying for the abortion itself, the procedure self, but you did mention military readiness, i'm glad you, did because seven former u.s. defense secretary is including two who served under former president trump, and -- disagree with you. they signed a letter to senate leaders, your actions are harming military readiness and the risks damaging security, and military officers into political pawns. they specifically say, there are some pretty important positions you are holding, up including the fifth league in bahrain, and the pacific which are critical to checking iranian and chinese aggression. are you saying you know better than those seven former defense or kadarius? >> well first of all the secretary of defense were nominees, they were not elected. i was elected to represent the people of alabama in this country. number, two if they wanted to confirm a general or admirable,

we can do it tomorrow. okay. i'm not stopping all of them. if there is some that they want out there, general brown who's going to be the new head of the joint chief of staff, he will go through by himself. he will go through confirmation, and we will vote on him. he will not be held up. so, this is just throwing 100, or 200 and, there and doing it one time. when i'm saying, this gives me the right because i'm, senator i can hold any confirmation, i won't until we get some kind of confirmation of what you are doing this, conversation, let's talk, i have heard zero from the, white house and zero the last five months within ten minutes of secretary austin in february. >> but you have said you are not going to chop the objection here, if president biden called, you that wouldn't change your policy? are you saying would? >> well that is another thing, we need leadership in the white house. if i had been president, i

would already call to the white house and said coach, what are you doing. this is what we need to get this done, how do we work it out we have to come to some compromise. but, kaitlan, there has to be a conversation, nobody has even talked to me in five months. i hear that the president kateri over there, saying there has been commentary, there has been nothing. that is the biggest lie i've ever heard. if they are really worried about readiness, if they're worried about recruiting, how about we get this done? how about the come talk to me and let's talk this out and work it out and come to a good conclusion for the american people, with taxpayers, after of the united states of america? >> but your own fellow republicans disagree with you here. even mitch mcconnell says he does not agree with this. so, i guess i'm confused, if there is that conversation with the, white house what do you hope to achieve by talking to them if they stand by this policy which they put in place after roe v. wade was overturned. you say, you did not like this policy, where is the middle ground there? >> well, first of, all i did not work for any of the senator,

i work for the people of alabama. and, they got their own opinion, and, this is my prerogative, put a hold, on it but the one thing i want to do is, make sure that the american taxpayers as a say-so in weather we pay for anything to do with abortion. that is what i'm trying to do. i'm not trying to stop any confirmations. i'm not trying to be hardheaded about this. i just want some conversation, and get a reasonable explanation of why we are doing this. and, there has been zero. >> i just want to repeat, it is members of the military who are paying the price for this policy that you have chosen to take up. speaking of the military, i do want to give you a chance to clarify comments he made recently on white nationalist serving in the military. for those watching, they haven't heard, your marks this is what he said. >> do you believe that they should allow white nationalists in the military? >> well they called him, that i

call the americans. >> do you want to explain those comments senator? >> yes, first of, all i'm totally against any type of racism, okay, i was a football coach for 40 years, and i dealt and have opportunity to be around more minorities than anybody on this hill. when our military has been attacked, was being attacked after 9:11, after january the 6th, and that was my first day on the senate floor, i thought it was outrageous of what senators from the democratic side, chuck schumer said on the floor that, night calling out people, calling people, racist calling people white nationalist. white nationalists is just another word they want to use other than racist. i'm totally against anything to do with racism, but the thing about being a white nationalist, is just a cover word for the democrats now where they can use it to try to make people mad across the country,

identity politics, i'm totally against that. i am for the american people. i am for military. i am for christian conservatives, democrats are a pretty wants to be in the military to fight for this, country to protect this country. that is what it is all about. >> just to be clear, you agree that white nationalist should not be serving in the u.s. military? is that what you are saying? >> if people think that white nationalist is racist, i agree with that. i agree. >> a white nationalist or somebody who agrees that the white race is superior to other races. >> while that is some people's opinion. and i do not -- think >> that is not opinion. >> pardon. >> what is your opinion? >> my opinion of a white nationalist, if somebody wants to call them, that that is an american. now, if that white nationalist is a racist, i'm totally against anything that they want to do. i am 110% against racism. i want somebody who is in our military, that is strong, believes in this country, that is an american that will fight

along anybody whether men or women, black, white, red, does not make any difference. so, i'm totally against identity politics. i think it is running this country, and i think that americans ought to be ashamed for how they are doing, this because it is dividing this country and making it weaker every day. >> but that is not identity politics. you said it white nationalist is an american. >> -- >> a white nationalist is someone who believes horrific things. do you really think that is somebody who should be serving in the military? >> well that is just a name that has been given. >> it is not. it is a real definition. there is concerns about extremism. >> most white people in this country are in the military, we have huge problems. huge problems. >> it's not people who are, white is white nationalist. >> who have a few different believes. they have different beliefs. now, if racism, one of those beliefs, i'm totally against it. i'm totally against racism. >> but that is a white nationalist is racist, senator. >> well that is your opinion.

that is your opinion. >> it is not. >> if it is racism i'm totally against. a. i'm totally against any type of racism. i did not care what it is in. >> okay, senator tommy tuberville, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up, the congressman george santos really compare himself to the civil rights icon rosa parks? you will have to hear that one to believe it. before advil. advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. when pain comes for you, come back fast with advil liqui-gels.

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there is their comments that he had made recently in an interview where he talked about white nationalists being in the military, and what he was asked about, that he essentially double down on those comments. we just saw clarity from, him he talked about white nationalists being americans, and whether or not a ballooned in the military. reaction now tonight with my guy -- joining, me scott jennings who is the former -- former national coalition instructor for the 2020 campaign, and the former senior adviser to mitch mcconnell, scott jennings, and -- we will get to -- what did you make about senator those comments? >> why is, right there are white nationalist in america, but it doesn't mean that the term, and it definition of white nationalist is not racist. this is why it is so important that we keep an accurate history and our country, that we explain to children coming up in the history of our, country and that we have a torn

and tattered sad history in our country. it does it mean that i'm not a part of american, but we must be honest about the truth and what senator tuberville is trying to do to conflate with -- but you are an american, what does it mean to be, american america needs to live up to its greatest ideals, and we need to acknowledge that we have a racist past towards -- asian american and latinos. yet, we can still become the greatest country, whether it could sustain being a greatest country but we have to be honest about where we come, from we can do it we have people like senator tuberville who won't acknowledge the truth about even the definition of what a white nationalist is. >> scott, what do you make of those comments? >> well, it is possible to, multiple things could be true. you could be an american, you could be in the, military egot also have abhorrent views. and, just because you are an american, or you are serving in the, military does not make you, or the priest, if you have i think some of the views that

when he is trying to defend, it is a strange -- that is the one thing about politics that are some time for marvel, at the hills people are willing to die on and this whole idea of defining the term white nationalist. he did it back into me i think before, so to hear him still on that, i do not quite know what he gains out of it. >> it was essentially over him a chance to clarify those remarks because i think when he was first making them he was saying he turned him have to using to describe all micah republicans as -- but, my goal republicans are not white nationalist. white nationalist are separate entity in and of themselves, and i think whether or not they belong in the u.s. military. >> he is not wrong about, that i, mean they have been people back in the 16 and 20 elections, there were people arguing that, if you vote republican, o'donnell, champ either for racist. that is absolutely false. and, he is right about, that

but the defense of that, term and what that stands for, and our culture -- >> but that was not really the point he seemed to be making. let's have -- less listen in his own words. >> it is not -- it is not people who are, white it is white nationalists. >> that have a few different beliefs. now, if racism is one of those beliefs, i'm totally against it. i'm totally against racism. >> but that is the white nationalist is racist, senator. >> i mean, you have to believe in truth and lies at some point. what he did not want to do is acknowledge what the definition of white nationalist is. a white nationalist or someone who thinks they are better than other races, including black, people brown people, asian americans, and so he just doesn't want to live in this honesty era that our country needs to return to. i hear you, scott, there was a

lot of name-calling on both sides in the last eight years or so, politics, but a lot of the name-calling was based in truth, and some of it was based on lies. when people call someone in white nationalist, because they believe in racist policies, many of which donald trump and some of which senator tuberville believes in. we have to be able to call it out, when you think that a racist inferior to another one with a white nationalist says, you can't acknowledge that one thing, when i think we have a problem and our politics, and be in general. >> well, i agree, with you but i would challenge you to tell me what republican policies are racist, or based on racist ideologies, because i do think this conflation have been on the left all the time. if you're republican beliefs, acts they therefore racist. if you vote for a politician i think is, racist you then become racist. republicans hate it. >> that was not a distinction he was, making i think you can debate, that but that is the

distinction you seem to be making, they're saying you -- and whatnot, saying it is like thing if a white nationalist is an american, and blocking people, military separately, let's talk about your santos. this is what we were initially going to talk about. he is obviously the embattled republican congressman, pleaded not guilty to 13 counts of fraud, money laundering, theft of public funds. tonight, he is facing criticism for a different reason altogether. comparing himself to the civil rights icon rosa, parks on a podcaster responding to -- specifically senator mitt romney when he said this. >> mitt romney, the state of the union -- anne eight that is the reality of how it worked. >> i will start -- this is why teaching history

incompletion and fairness and accuracy so important. you understand your centers and was a person attempting -- it is not even deserve to be sitting in the chamber right now, because he is a, liar he fabricated his or identity to his constituency. rosa parks is an icon who stood up against, racism who said we are all creating equal against white nationalist, and they are not the same. it is disgusting. i just hope it goes away, his constituents are -- >> his criticism, or it was trying to criticize mitt romney because then it around me came to him once and -- essentially said coming along the lines, of you do not belong, here i think it is much more colorful language. but the fact that was his response to criticism his getting from members of his own party. >> why does not belong there. mitt romney was right. he lied about who he was to get there. and, he now has massive criminal problems in his own life. my advice, george, resign. deal with your own problems. straight in your life out. you are not doing yourself any

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>> new tonight, we have just learned that rudy giuliani is trying to cut a deal in a lawsuit that was brought by two georgia election workers. -- dealing with right, now fending off a two disbarment proceedings, and also sources telling me tonight that legal cost of everything giuliani is facing is adding up. then a former chief assistant attorney and -- rudy giuliani is essentially trying to cut a deal an

agreement with the attorneys of these two georgia election workers. i think everyone will remember them from there -- so compelling, what do you make of just not the fact that he is only trying to cut a deal, there but also -- potentially what is going to be disbarment of his license. also, he is sitting down with jack smith team in that investigation. there's a lot going on. >> yes, i think the walls are closing in on him, he has so many legal problems, including criminal potential criminal charges of jacks mitt, looks like he is absolutely in the crosshairs there, and he has the civil issue with -- losing his law, license literally all the walls are closing in on him. so i think it makes sense to settle this, because this was a defamation claim against -- if you remember, he was one of the ringleaders, saying that they were taking the suitcases, and the votes, and all, that and says some pretty negative things about them. and, testified, is it pretty partially about the impact that had on the.

life >> and he was ordered to, i believe it was pay $90,000 in attorney, fees separately with jack smith, i heard from people that trump is kind of been talking nonstop about continuous six investigation. obviously we are waiting to see when the trial is going to be in the documents investigation, that has been talking about the january six investigation, a lot check smith alert, i think sometimes trump says so many things and people ignore some of the more outrageous ones. on jackson with pacific, lee if yo at a social, media has been calling him deranged, likening him to a crack it saying he is a sleaze bag. this is just a sampling of the post. how does that factor into the trial there has been prosecuted by jack smith? >> that is donald trump's playbook, right, he goes after the churches or -- anyone who he feels is going after him, but jack smith in particular, he is beyond approach. i have worked with him many lawyers have worked with him. he is really a down the middle,

aboveboard public servant. and for him to say things like he is a crack, head is really not only offensive, it is outrageous, and just absolutely not true. he is really a very well respected person. but it is like anyone who's trapped in the corner, what else can you do other than try to bully, intimidate, or name call? >> but the sea face any consequences potentially from that from the judge? >> potentially. i mean right now, it is complicated because really nobody -- jacks mitt is not asking anything from a judge. prosecutors are used to put your head, down to your, job you don't pay attention to that sort of thing. but donald trump's words have had actions before, right? miss noah pinera six with the insurrection, et cetera. so, he kind of walked up to a line, if he crosses over, line absolutely he will be admonished by judge at minimum. >> yeah, let's see what they,

say thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> much more on the trump investigation is coming up tonight on cnn primetime at 10:00. laura coats is going to speak to a key witness in the january 6th investigation, make sure you stay tuned for that. also the years-long feud between mark zuckerberg and elon musk is getting public and personal. they are running rival social networks, now claiming they both want to cage match, and now musk is taking aim at zuckerberg's manhood, yes you heard that right. we will talk about the battle of the billionaires next.

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tech billionaires hit any low today. elon musk is now calling for a literal -- measuring contest after marks are cobourg -- twitter threads already has 100 million losers. that is just five days after it launched. my colleagues -- and audi cornish are here tonight. obviously things have escalated in this situation. i saw this tweet from elon musk last. night i kind of had a double check to make sure it was. rail these are two incredibly smart people, -- they're believed to be smart people. rich people. what do you make of the fact that this has got into this low? where >> we are not all the way there yet to be clear. >> i'm hoping they'll take it to space. do you have actual reporting on this that you can share?

>> that's for later. >> look, i think they're fighting for some kind of supremacy basically. wrong right for that. i think they are trying to be the front of these companies. we are in this moment where, due to the, manosphere et cetera. it's kind of a thing to show what a tough guy you. are i think a lot of cars always been on the front of. this at the end of the, day the business is suffering, and the business is what matters. that's where this is all come out, because zuckerberg was not tweeting before threads, he had not zach tweeted in a decade. you are new reporting, though because i think this is put marks are coburg and this glossy haze of a light. >> yes, for change. >> threads, i think we're all on. it's i speak for, myself i love

it. i think it says a lot of just how bad a job elon musk has done with twitter that people are embracing a meta facebook zuckerberg product. look, 100 million users on the platform, just in five days. >> it's not even in the eu. >> it's not launched in the european union, but that did raise questions, which we asked to matter over the past few, days which, is they have launched this brand new global platform. what races are they putting into? it particularly as we have elections in the u.s., but many elections around the world. they essentially were not able to answer our questions, in

terms of what additional, resources whether it's, moderators or people monitoring the platform for foreign interference. for election disinformation. in fact, what we've learned from people inside the company is that the company has been making cuts to their teams that are fighting election disinformation. you've not only cuts happening across meta, which was not always in the best, was not always great at this in the first, place, to now launching this new platform. it really kind of paints an awkward picture for 2024. >> it goes back to the 2016 campaign. if they can answer questions about, that which is obviously important, and twitter, as far as twitter is today. this does mature when it comes to elections and information, and what people. the >> one thing that's, clear both of these companies have had plenty of time, and plenty of experience dealing with the

problems that have come with disinformation, that have come with having poor guardrails from young people, and the fact that they don't really have a plan. the fact that it's as messy as it is right, now is pretty surprising. not a >> cornish, thank you both >> regrets on your new show, thanks for being here for the first episode. thank you for joining, us cnn prime time starts right now. >> hi caitlin, great show, congratulations. >> thank you, laura good to see you there. good evening to all of you, welcome to a special edition of cnn primetime. i'm laura coates, and look congress is returning. they are coming in hot. republican set to hold hearings on the perceived weaponization of the government. all the, while special counsel jack smith, he may be very closely to decide whether donald trump over his weaponization of the government. of, course the efforts to

overturn the election. separately, tomorrow in georgia, selection begins for a grand jury that will also decide whether to indict him. in a, moment i will speak live with a key, witness and a special counsel investigation, former trump official can -- . here is your evenings cliffsnotes, or the coats, notes on the various alleged schemes that jack smith is likely to be considering. one, scheme trump considers a plan to use the military to seize voting machines. in, another military-related plots, allies floated the idea of even using martial law, using troops to redo an election. >> he could also order, he could order the, within the winnings waits, if you wanted to he could take military capabilities, and he can place them in the states, and basically run an election in each of those. states >> could he? in another, scheme the