hello, everybody. welcome to inside. i'm john king in washington. thank you for your time. can the house speaker keep his members in line? the debt deal meets its first tet where hard line conservatives deeply unhappy with the agreement have a chance to kill it. plus drones behind enemy lines. an attack raised the ukraine war into the heart of russia's capital as vladimir putin keeps up a relentless aerial assault on kyiv. and ron desantis makes his first road trip as an official candidate. but up first for us, the deal to pull the united states back from a debt cliff meets its first big road block today. at 3:00 p.m. the house rules

committee convenes, but the unhappy conservatives will have enough vote kill the debt pack at its first stop. hard liners say the deal gave kevin mccarthy the gavel included a promise that any legislation needed all nine rules committee votes to make it to the full house. allies say they don't remember it that way. this washington wrinkle puts the deal in some considerable early peril. the hard liners say the compromise doesn't cut enough spending. listen to kevin mccarthy this morning. he says he the got the better of the president and the republicans should vote yes. >> we're actually going to spend less money this year than last year. read "the wall street journal." this is the biggest cut we vote for. i'm not sure what else we want the to do. we have to look at where the victories are. we don't spend another $4 trillion. we allow them to keep going forward until january.

>> melanie zanona is on capitol hill for us. the speaker says republicans should vote, but he has trouble on his hands. >> there's a lot of outrage on the right here over this deal. they feel like he essentially gave up too much in these negotiations and the house freedom caucus is holding a press conference right now to rally opposition against this bill. but the two big questions right now are do they have the votes to be able to block this from even coming to the floor or pass ing on the floor, and is kevin mccarthy's speakership safe? now on the first question, it does not appear they have the power to block this. the bill does have to go through the house rules committee later today before it can get a floor vote. there are three hard line conservatives on that panel. that was part of the deal that kevin mccarthy made to become speaker. two of them are signal ing they will vote against the rule. one of them, thomas massey, we are learning is expected to support the rule, which means it will be able to advance and get on to the floor. but on that second question,

whether kevin mccarthy's speakership is safe, that is a lot less clear. the house freedom caucus did have a call last night where they talked about their strategy moving forward and how they are going to approach this. while a lot of them are against the idea of using a tool known as the motion to vacate, which would essentially force a floor vote, it only takes one member to be able to force that vote. and congressman chip roy is angry. he said in an interview moments ago that this deal is a betrayal of the power-sharing agreement we put in place. he also said if we can't kill this bill, we're going to have to regroup and figure out the whole leadership arrangement again. so a clear front there. >> standby. chip roy is speaking right now. let's listen. >> the things we actually run on. actually try to secure the border. actually saying that if you're going to raise the debt ceiling, maybe you should enact fiscal

reforms to do so. we did that. we worked in good faith. everybody is working around a the table to accomplish the objectives the american people were sent here to do. unfortunately, last week there was a breach. there was a breach in the structure that we agree d to pu in place to make sure that we are representing the american people through this united republican conference. the republican conference right now has been torn asunder. and we are working hard to try to put it back together this weekend by making sure that this bill gets stopped. you want to be very clear. not one republican should vote for this deal. not one. if you're out there watching this, every one of my colleagues, be very clear not one republican should vote for this deal. it's a bad deal. no one send us here.

to borrow an additional $4 trillion to get absolutely nothing in return, but at best, if i'm being really generous, a spending freeze for a couple years. that's. that's about what you get. and frank ly, you're going to make things worse ask my colleagues know it. that's why they are supporting it. that's why they are going around gleeful. there's a reason they support this. it's all the safe stuff. there's a reason that our conservative allies are opposing this. scoring against it. the heritage foundation, freedom works, scoring against it. ron desantis, publicly opposed, president trump said he thought

we should default rather than pursue this kind of lunacy. at the end of the day, the only person that would default in this town is joe biden unless republican vote for this bad bill. >> you're listening to congressman chip roy of texas. you see members of the house freedom caucus surrounding him. kevin mccarthy had to negotiate to become speaker and chip roy threatening if this debt deal the speaker cut, if it is a passed, he's threatening to revisit the speaker's hold on the gavel. with me in studio to share the reporting is dana bash. so there you have it right there. number one, mccarthy appears to have the votes at the moment to get it out of the rules committee. as he sits in the speaker's office, what calculation is going through his mind. does he think he can survive, or does he have to accommodate the right and stop his own deal. it would be really remarkable because this is the most

delicate of balancing acts. pz the president is doing the same thing. it's just that maybe they haven't been as vocal this morning as they have been in the past. what we're talking about here is a true compromise in the sense that there are if all goes as planned with the white house and the house speaker, there will be no votes on the left, and there will be no votes on the right. they are going to need the majorities to be gotten in the middle by democrats and republicans. the chip roys of the world are furious. you heard him say that. i spoke to a senior republican house member this morning who said the feeling among the house leadership is that there are not enough people who want to has collate their leaders both the president and the speaker in order to take this todown.

we'll see if that holds. >> a traditional washington deal are mad. you have enough votes in the middle. you pass it. everybody grumbles and you move on. what makes this more interesting is speaker maccar thi want doed the rule. one person, a chip roy, it sounds it's going to be him. let's say they pass this and he comes to the floor and says i want to vacate the chair. is kevin mccarthy essentially going to lose his job. but because of flak on the right. >> this was always the fear. we cover the 15 rounds and made speakership and the underlying story was how ten wous his grasp on the speakership was and with this happening, you see chip roy's very strong words. not one republican should vote for this deal. he does look that he's setting himself up to be somebody who has try to give the speaker out

of there. he certainly seem to be having a call to arms to vote no on this deal and say there's a reason why democrats are happy with this deal. >> to the point about call for arms, governor ron desantis did say over the weekend if he were in the house, he would vote against it. before this deal was struck, they are going to default. i'm not president. i don't care. that was just a flippant attitude. i'm not president. go ahead and default. but trump has said nothing. donald trump has a lot of sway over house republicans. if he were to say something, he could tip the scale either way. >> he definitely could, which is why you chip roy bring ing all f the outside opposition, whether

it's what the former president said was finalized, or trying to drum up opposition against this deal, and you do see how speaker mccarthy has to go on a really aggressive public relations messaging offensive. you hear him saying since this deal was announced a that democrats got no wins, which isn't accurate, but that's what he and his lieutenants have to say to vie to convince. you were probably never going to get a chip roy on any sort of deal. you were hissing that point. but the people who are teetering on the edge of a yes or no in the republican conference, he really does have to work overdrive to convince him this is the best deal you can get with a democratic senate and a democratic. you hear a lot of that over the next days. >> it's a traditional washington deal. kevin mccarthy can lose the freedom caucus because the zent rhys democrats said so.

to that point, democrats are not gleeful. chip roy says they are gleeful. they are not happy. but if you look at the project ed federal spending, bill demanded it drop. the compromise is billions. spending is going to go down less than it was going to be. republicans say we only have the house. that's a good deal for us. the board agrees. the lesson is the unity pays. assuming the deal passes congress, it will defy the narrative. mccarthy's troops are proving they can. conservatives would be foolish to band the victories in this deal. but this is the upside down world we live in. that's the republican establishment. the 40 members you just saw that, they say jump, they say no. >> it's like the opposite of

what you want if you're a chip roy. you don't want to hear from the editorial board. i was texting this morning who said something interesting about the messaging. we have been talking about the public messaging from kevin mccarthy was pretty solid. and in some ways he had outsmarted the biden white house. that was coming from some democrats i was talking to. but this member said perhaps his internal messaging to his members didn't lay the ground work enough for the fact that he would have to make a deal that looks lot like this would it have made a difference, who knows. but that was an interesting note. >> we watch now. those conservatives voicing outrage. the best test, can they get it to the floor. if he gets that done, we follow it from there. up next for us, the russian

capital gets a sense of war. the kremlin accuse ukraine and issuing arrest warrants.

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russia announcing arrest warrants for ukrainian military commanders it blames for drone strikes on three residential buldings in moscow. the russian president just weighing in. >> translator: it is a clear sign of terrorist activity. it worked, but there's still work to be tone to make it better. you can see blum there is. that smoke rising bovr the russian capital. this incident happened hours after a new russian attack kargted kyiv overnight. one person was kyiv. 13 were hurt. sam kiley joins us live from eastern eastern ukraine. a strike in moscow.

putin calls it terrorists. i guess he has anesthesia about his own targets. but what does this do to the state of ply play? >> reporter: well, i think on the first thing to be concerned about from the ukrainian perspective, is that the united states has been very firm about its view there should be no use of its weapons in any kind of cross border operations into russia by ukraine. there's no sign at all that these are american drones or have american components. as you say, the ukrainian government has denied it, although saying they have no direct responsibility for these drone attacks leaving a little bit of wiggle room there. but we should also see this in the context of the ongoing destabilization operations that ukrainians are carrying out, possibly using proxies or near proxies, such as the recent raids inside russian territory

carried out by russian dissidentings, backed and armed under the orders of the ukrainian armed forces. then you have those long distance attacks against russian targets behind the front lines here inside ukrainian territory. so we're seeing a ratcheting up of the effort os to destabilize the kremlin, but also bring home to the civilians in russia what it means to be at war. >> and the timing of that destabilization, as you call it, both sides feeling each other out trying to soften each other, and affect the dynamic ahead of the ukrainian counteroffensive, president zelenskyy making news there. what was it? >> reporter: this should be perhaps seen as part of the psych lolk call operations. he suggested that a ground offensive was eminent. this is what he said. >> translator: the commander-in-chief and the commanders of the operational

directions reported to the staff not only the supply of ammunition, not only the training of gun brigades, not only our tactics, but also the timing. this is what is most important. the timing of how we will move forward. we will. the decisions have been made. >> reporter: now the decision being made doesn't remove the fact that the front line remains extremely active. we were in an area quite close to the front line today. we could shear the sounds of bombardment. there is an anticipation here in ukraine that when it gets underway and there's a conviction that there will be a significant offensive. it's going to be brutal for both sides. >> sam kiley, thank you. we will watch things play out. next for us, a big day in iowa opening a very important week for ron desantis. he's kicking off his

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tonight for the first time, ron desantis is in iowa as an official presidential candidate. his event opens a 12-state swing for a candidate trying to make the case he's the only gop contender that can beat donald

trump. jessica dean is live for us. >> reporter: a lot of eyes will be here as he does kick off his campaign here in iowa, a state that he said himself is critically important and is going to play a large role. as we know in covering presidential elections and campaigns, where candidates spend their time, where they choose to do big events like kick off their campaign really matters and tells you a lot. so here he is in iowa, which will be the first caucus for the gop presidential primary. we're going to see him going to angel call church to do so. you mention ed this is importan. he's going to be courting evangelicals here in iowa and across the country, who potentially have cooled on former president trump. they say that as potentially an in for them, where they can create a foothold for them across the country. that's where will do that tonight. he will continue on with several stops before going to new hampshire and south carolina,

but what is interesting is that he ends the week on saturday right back here where it all began in iowa. he will be here with senator joni ernst for an event on saturday with more iowans as they seek to go this message out and pitch to voters why he should be the person to lead the republican party and go up against president joe biden in 2024, why he is the alternative to trump. we expect to hear more about his vision tonight. he's been here in iowa several times leading up to this, but tonight we're expecting to see a crystallized speech about why he should be the person and what his vision is going forward. >> appreciate you kicking us off from iowa. let's bring the conversation back in the room. we just put up the travels this week. most of the republican candidates are going to the joni ernst event. there's not a debate until

august. but they will be in the same place. you see that play out there. let's have a conversation about ron desantis. this in the des moines register today. eric wilson, there are a lot of fit pith falls to being in this position. people set high expectations for him. scott walker ought to know about high expectations and gravity. desantis has been there before. his first official trip. trump coming in right behind him. how does he do it? >> he's doing it by appealing to the constituencies that he feels he can pluck off from the former president. he's appearing at a church in des moines trying for evangelical vote. he's traveling throughout the state. i think it's really interesting. we were waiting to see how desantis would behave like a candidate once he was actually this. his eligibility argument that he's making against a former president, we expected him to make that, particularly after

how successful he's been in florida. i think it's interest ing how he's starting to make some policy differentials. we saw a lot of criticism from over the weekend on the first step act, which is the criminal justice reform law that trump signed into law. one of the big bipartisan accomplishments of his presidency. ron desantis called it a jailbreak bill. that's a really interesting policy differential. you'll see more of that as we go on. >> you'll see try ining to get desantis trying to make it about policy. i get it. because trump blew up the policy apparatus. trump is trying to get to his right. this is donald trump today raising a an issue he first brought up as president. if you're born in this country, you have birthright citizenship. donald trump says it shouldn't be that way. >> as part of my plan to secure the border on day one, i will sign an executive office making clear to federal agencies that under the correct interpretation

of the law, going forward, the future children of illegal aliens will not receive automatic u.s. citizenship. it's things like this that bring millions of people to our country. >> all the republicans need to call this. they keep posting these videos of themselves or having events in the dark. but that is proof to me that for all the trump people saying delasantis can't get us, that's proof they are worried about the right flank. >> that's right. this sort of tough on immigration, tough on immigrants talk, evangelicals love that. he's got his eye on iowa. he has his eye on really having that base around him because he knows if people like tim scott and ron desantis might be candidates who that base will like. i will say this. i laughed at the requested of making this a policy debate, because it is laughable. we have seen this in the past.

it was hillary clinton trying to make it a policy debate. you have ron desantis basically trying to pass out his resume to voters. that's not really helped to decide. it's much more of a gut feeling. we know in the past it's been about trump. >> you make a key point about i used the hillary and obama analogy. once obama proved by beating her in iowa that he was legit, african-americans in the later states said we can't do this. you have to beat trump. you have to beat the front runner to get people to give you a second thought. the question is, can ron desantis do that in iowa? >> it's about trying to beat trump, but it's also about being the alternative to trump. because there are going to be a lot of people who are potential candidates for evangelicals in iowa.

you have tim scott, you have mike pence potentially. you have other who is are very much that kind of mold. and you also have, yes, it is still the whole question about whether trump is beginning to get them back, but he definitely lost a the lot of support with evangelicals towards the end of his presidency. >> but i also think it's not enough to get the evangelicals. there's always a number two republicans. . it was ted cruz last time. and rick santorum before. even if he wins iowa, where else is he going to win all those southern evangelical states in the way that ted cruz did? >> i want to show the map on the left side already in the race. the right side considering mike pence is in there. chris christie's allies, he's about to get in. evangelicals are not his core, but you have a crowded field at the moment that benefits trump. you mentioned santorum.

home schoolers in iowa. home schoolers in iowa, desantis appeared to this forum in iowa. he went from two to beating mitt romney with the home schoolers. >> you see how that's kind of -- you see how governor desantis is trying to appeal to all the various different constituencies in iowa. but going back to that point, i thought it was interesting when senator scott got into the race. donald trump was very warm and welcoming of that. i think it's because he also recognizes that the more people who are in this race benefits him. i think he's saying the more the merrier. the water is fine. jump in. >> the field is going to get bigger this it week. then when does it shrink before iowa or beyond? when we come back, a democratic shift that should be a slam dunk for the democrats. but instead, there's something else happening with christian conservatives and blue collar voters. a closer look, next.

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and 42 years old, they were democrats by 14 points in the 2022 midterms. those 18 to 26 favor democrats by a whopping 56 points last year. so demography favors the demo democrats. and that advantage will only grow unless republicans can make significant end rows. but why hasn't that advantage helped more already? how did donald trump win in 2016 or why did republicans win the house last year? it's explained this why. the white backlash to the growing strength of liberal constituencies not only prompted to back democrats, they turned out to vote and exceptionally high rates. tom is here to join our conversation. it's good to see you. explain the backlash. it's striking. the younger voters are growing in size. they are a bigger piece of the voting pie and they favor democrats. and yet republicans are holding their own. here's one reason why.

look at evangelical voters. white non-college degree, bush vs. trump, 12 points higher. white evangelicals, donald trump gets 89%. this is the backlash you're talking about. populations who feel somehow threatened. >> what's going on is two steps in a sense. not only are young voters voting more for democrats, but as they grow older, they are the basic rule of politics that the older you get, the more conservative you become. they are going in the opposite direction for the first time over the last three election cycles. so you see a rise in the democratic margins and a rise in the degree that they turn out. the problem is this sounds great for democrats, is that white conservatives, evangelicals, white catholics are turning out

way above their numbers. they are punching more than they are. i i think the figures for evangelicals is there's something like 14% of the population now, but 22% of the actual turnout. that's a huge difference. >> we can show that white j evang evangelicals, white catholics, you can look at the pie and democrats are a bigger slice of the pie, and yet there's always the push me, pull you in d demographics. in the sense that one group starts to pull this i way, and another group says i feel threatened and they pull back. >> that's the question. is it do you feel in looking at the research and the data that it's for lack of a better way,

wokism? is it because of the what people see on conservative media about the other coming in? that they are buying into that? or is it all of it? >> the real fear is they think they are going to get extinguished by growing number of liberal constituencies. the best way to turn out a vote is to get the person scared. the other best way is to get them angry. and what's happened is leaders on the right have gotten their voters scared and angry. and they are turning out in these higher and higher numbers. the long-term problems, how much use can you squeeze out of a lemon that's actually shrinking. and over time, this method out of countering runs into real problems as it hits this sort of maxes out. you can't get enough. drop out of that one. >> if you go back to the

original graphic, a majority by 2028, that's the point you're making. when you see donald trump's attack on birthright citizenship and the attacks on transgender americans, when you see whether it's immigration, whether it's gray rights, it's issues that you're playing to the trade and globalism. you're playing to blue collar workers. and yet to tom's point, how many times, when 62% of the electorate is going to younger voters, that dog won't hunt. >> but we saw what happened in 2022. we saw what happened in 2016 and donald trump was trying to make that dog hunt in 2024. he's the master of white grievance politics, the master of white identity politics. he know what is to say. it's basically saying that brown people are going to come here and kill you. that was during his candidacy in 2016. that's essentially what he said.

so he'll play that over and over again. we see delasantis doing the sam thing. that the woke mob is out to get you, but he's the person to vanquish it. it works. it's worked in american politics quite well. we had republicans not the to play this game of white identity politics, but donald trump played it masterfully. >> so part of the challenge, can somebody break the mold. you have hnikki haley and tim scott, you have voters of color, women in the republican field. do they try to practice a different kind of politics to widen the tent? or do they stay in that lane because trump proved it can work? >> they pointed to their own personal diversities to try to bring that factor to the republican party. i'm really struck, especially with the growing percentage of younger voters taifring democrats just how little in terms of policy that republicans have tried in reaching out to younger voters. i think the closest that you can get is perhaps some republican

elected officials embracing the science of climate change, s saying this is something we have to take the, maybe not in the way that democrats are propose ing, but it's a threat. but you just step back and they are not really a appealing to younger voters in the way with their policy platforms. >> what do you watch? we go back a long way. wisconsin, where do you watch for where is the tipping point? >> i think wisconsin is annen excellent state actually. pennsylvania is another. there are a lot of northern midwestern states. where they have a higher percentage of college-educated white veoters, that's where the tipping point occurs. and these voters are democrats. and that's where the republicans really run into big problems.

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remarkably puts joe biden and ted cruz on the same page. both men a new law in ewe and did da that makes sexual homosexuality. president biden calling it a tragic violation. senator cruz says it's horrific and wrong. our greater reporters are back with us. i would frame this as a good thing. it's rare that we have bipartisan agreement on anything. to have the conservative texas senator and the democratic president speaking out against this law is important. does it get you anywhere? >> you know, unclear. listen, ted cruz hasn't always been on this side, when you talk about gay rights, for instance, for him to come out and say this is significant, it's a good thing. you know, wool see what happens. i think republicans are in a place where they seem to be against lgbtq people, if you look at things going on in the other states, for ted cruz to specifically come out about this

law as good it might be a good idea to speak out against other things that might be lgbtq. >> he picks his moments. same-sex marriage, he believes it ought to be decided by the states. he also opened the investigation on anheuser-busch over the dylan mulvaney case. and with the death penalty for what the law called aggravated homosexuality, ten years in police for it. 30 in some africa. >> the version signed into law is a less draconian version of the law that the legislaturely passed because of this international pressure from the likes of joe biden and senator ted cruz. you do have, not only politicians speaking out, you have the u.n., you have global aids programs talking about the really awful impact this would

have on the people of uganda. and in that context you that just mentioned there, what is important to keep in mind that, you know, in the 54 countries in africa, 30 criminali ize homosexuality in some respects you do see how human sexual rights is curbed in the continent. >> yeah, with said politics, keep in mind, not just the politics of strange bedfellows with cruz and biden but also the fact that cruz is on the ballot this year. >> okay. >> and whether or not -- >> okay, maybe this is one of those situation where is he truly believes that this is bad. the other thing that we have to keep in mind, though, he, just like most senators and most members, when they're thinking about the ballot, where did this put me, maybe this is a place where he feels like it's terra firma on an issue that he can argue against this internationally, and maybe not do so domestically. >> right. we'll see if the pressure does any good.

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