it's about to get real. this coming week, florida governor ron desantis will file paperwork formally declaring his candidacy to challenge donald trump for the gop nomination.

he follows south carolina senator tim scott, who filed on friday and chris christie is said to be on the verge. this is in addition to already declared challengers nikki haley, asa hutchinson and mike pence will decide before june. meanwhile, names being floated for a unity ticket, the idea from the group no labels, include senator joe manchin, independent senator krysten sinema and larry hogan. trump's biggest obstacle seems to be his own legal ent entanglements. among them his remarks here on cnn regarding jack smith's case about the withheld mar-a-lago documents and the investigation into interference in the 2020 election by georgia da who recently signalled a decision from her could be coming in early august. so into this fray final ly step ron desantis. joining me to discuss is gary.

he writes for florida playbook. previously work ed in the tallahassee bureau of the associated press. nice to see you again. so desantis is dug in on this disney issue. i find it interesting that your reporting suggests that issue started, the feud that started was not initially a priority for him. please explain that. >> yeah, basically what happened was the legislation that sparked this entire battle actually came from the florida house. there were republicans no the house who decided to pursue it. what happened very early on, he got questioned about it. and he defended it and he suddenly became the face of the legislation. and he defended it very basically said he was in favor of the legislation and supported it and so sort of then when everything began ramping up, he

stood up and then it became sort of central to his identity. he has become the lead protagonist in this drama. >> interesting that it kind of comports with this campaign slogan. i'm asking this question first because i think it's a tell in terms of what we can expect from him when he's a formal candidate. >> yes, the point is that he dedicate d a an entire chapter f his book about this fight with disney. he discussed how sort of like they kind of hatched a plan to go after them initially. it was done very quickly without anybody knowing. ask then what happened is when the news came out that disney tried to circumvent the state legislation and what the state was planning on doing, then he doubled down and said, well, you're not going to win this fight. so we have seen this go a few

rounds. disney z sue disney sued. there was questions about whether they were going to go forward with that any way. you look at this and think regardless of what happens in the presidential race, disney in florida could be tangling for awhile. >> i know how he's being received nationally. put up on the screen. i'll read this aloud to you. here is some of the legislative establishments that we hear about. the six-week abortion ban, ending the concealed weapons permit, restricting drag shows, blocking the african-american studies course, prohibiting vaccine mandates and the don't say gay or correctly described parental rights in education act. that's a very conservative record. is that the view from the ground as well? or are there points of moderation that he will be able to point to if he survives the nomination process and becomes a general election candidate? >> two things there.

basically, on a lot of these issues, it's clear that they are trying to get to the right of donald trump in terms of a gop primary. what they want to do is they want to be able to say to republican conservative voters, look, this is the accomplishment and going beyond. you saw what happened this past week where basically desantis took a little dig at trump and said, well, i signed a six-week ban. you won't even say what you're willing to support. you see where the strategy is going. in regards to a general election, these are things that they are going to have to deal with if they make the general. he is going to sell a few points. he's going to say i boosted teacher bpay a billion dollars. i basically got money for restoration. there are some things on his list of accomplishments in terms of florida that can try to sell to peel in terms of a moderating influence. but i think the real thing is the biden campaign, if it he's the republican nominee, they are

going to focus on the culture war stuff. >> no doubt. i'm about to talk about that campaign. great to see you. i appreciate your insight. >> thank you for having me on. let's talk about the other side of the aisle. now to president biden's campaign. does he have new hampshire problem? for 50 years, the nomination process started in iowa and new hampshire. this year the dnc voted to adopt a sklk suggested by president biden making south carolina the first contest on february 3rd and moving new hampshire to february 6th, the same day as nevada. the idea being to better reflect the demographics of the electorate and to give president biden an advantage. so far, new hampshire hasn't agreed and is insisting ongoing first. in fact, their state law requires they go seven days before any other primary. remember in 2020, biden lost the iowa caucus and new hampshire primary. in new hampshire, he finished a a distant fifth. his candidacy looked dead on arrival for awhile. then jim clyburn endorsed biden

before the south carolina vote, which can he then won and several moderate candidates drop ed out through their support behind biden. that's how he won the nomination. this week when chris wallace asked if the move was stacking the deck for biden, clyburn said this. >> i don't think it's stacking the deck. you're avoiding embarrassment. and that is what he is attempting to avoid here. i would expect anybody to do the same. >> so if new hampshire still goes first, what's going to happen? joining me is jim garrity, senior political correspondent for the national review, where he writes the daily morning newsletter. he also recently wrote this piece for the post. the primaries haven't started and biden has a problem. new hampshire. thanks for being here. what are the options that the biden campaign faces in new hampshire? what can they do? >> well, the current status

seems to be that they are sticking with the proposal that the biden forced on the dnc, but strongly suggested it and the dnc generally goes along with what a current president wants to do, and they were going to say we're not going to recognize the new hampshire democratic primary. in the past we have seen the national party committees do things like only count half a delegate from any rogue state that's holding a primary before the state for the national committee permitted. if he does that, if biden does say we're not competing, then the odds of robert f. kennedy jr. winning or finishing with some really high percentage increases dramatically. >> so what is it? it's ab embarrassment only issue or real concern that if rfk jr., given those voters f he should win new hampshire, then there's a cloud of confusion over every

other race? or is it just a temporary egg on the face of the biden campaign? >> i think there's about a high 90% chance that joe biden is the democratic nominee in 2024. presume ing he stays healthy an doesn't have something terrible happen but if you -- fist of all, the odds of biden losing the iowa caucuses currently scheduled to go fourth, is greater than zero. because the iowa folks are not democrats. they are not thrilled about it. this was a case because they couldn't count the votes in the 2020 iowa caucus. i think there was a broad con kzen us is that iowa should not go first. but democrats feel that i can they are being unfairly punished for that. and so they are like, why are we getting shoved back to fourth place or behind south carolina. they strongly suspect that this is mostly about they are being punished for not voting for joe biden. for that fascinating jim clyburn

vote, this is about try ining t avoid embarrassment, with friends like this, who needs enemies. it's all about trying to avoid that. >> there's another interesting aspect about this. correct me if i'm wrong, but you need those new hampshire republicans in terms of redoing the date for the new hampshire primary. and governor sununu thus far doesn't want to play ball, probably because he hopes for the embarrass the that we're raising the prospect of. >> yeah, i would also note that chris sununu is making noises about running for president on the republican side. but this is one of those rare areas where democrats both believe that their state is terrific and it should always go first in the presidential n nominating process. you can find 48 other states that say we should go first. it's one of those things this

works to new hampshire reallies advantage. it creates a setting for democrats. elected officials are not saying this is going to cost boiden ne hampshire in the general election. but it's another headache. it's another complication. it doesn't make it any easier. it is a staut that is not a sure thing. >> the reason that i'm so attached to this is it's a great example. the only thing we know for sure is we have no idea what's about to unfold. there's so many intangibles in the cycle now beginning. thank you for being here. i appreciate it. >> always appreciate it. any time. what are your thoughts? hit me up on social media. i'll respond tloult the course of the program. katherine, what do we have? i think joe's loved ones should convince him not to run. he's given the country years of service. let him enjoy retirement. i will not vote for biden again. i hear that from a lot of radio listeners. i wish for longevity for all of

these folks. but man, you look at the situation playing itself out now with dianne feinstein, it's sad. i'm pivoting, but i look at that and think is there no one in her orbit who can say, come on. you have had a fabulous career. don't let it end this way. up ahead, where is america's post pandemic work ethic heading? this week elon musk criticized remote work. he called it morally wrong. an nyu professor observed a shift in values choose ing what they call fun employment over work. one senses that kim kardashian would not approve. >> the bst advice for women in business. get your [ bleep ] up and work. nobody wants to work these days. you have to surround yourself with people that want to work. >> this week's poll question. go to smerconish.com and answer

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>> return to office. i'm going to start you to meal prep. we're going into the office. my clothes dry cleaned on saturday. they will be ready to go next week. can't wait to have a conversation with sheryl by the water cooler. return to office, seriously? i just got used to working from home in my normal clothes. i'm very happy right now. but i will try to make it in. no, no, no, no, no. this can't be real. i'm going to linkedin. i knew this was going to happen. a record breaking year. why. it makes no sense. come along with me today to quit my job. they are forcing us back into the office for no reason.

>> the covid crisis has finally officially passed, the impact on the the workplace is still being felt. are changes now with us forever? the popularity of working from home doesn't appear to be going away. a third of u.s. workers with jobs that can be done remotely continue to do so full-time while 41% of workers have settled into a hybrid schedule. plus the number of companies that require employees to be in the office full-time dropped from 49% in february to just 42% in may. elon musk calls working from home bs, morally wrong and accuses the laptop glass of living in la la land. as bloomberg reported, an accidental side effect to working from home gives employees too much time to indulge with daytime drug and drinking habits now on the rise target a study, people have a substance abuse disorder. maybe it's these frightening side effects that make join ing

the workforce less appealing. suzywell. is the form er editor of the business review. she teaches a at nyu school of business. her most recent op-ed explores the newest trend called "fun employment." it's great to see you. what's fun employment? >> fun employment is a term that gen z uses to describe the period between jobs. the first time i heard it, i was teaching. and a student said i don't have anything quite yet. until then i will just do some funemployment. because i think like you come from a generation where unemployment was never fun. we never put those two words together, but times have changed. the whole contract between the worker and the company that they work with has changed. my students and many people from

gen z, not all of them, believe unemployment doesn't have to be dismal and dreary and scary and bad. but when you're not working, you can be living. and you can be having fun. and you can be enjoying it. they have all sorts of great ideas. it blew my mind. >> do they think that the deal is stacked against them, or are they looking at their parents and saying, i i don't want to end up like that? >> both. i think they look and say, you give everything to a company and then you get laid off. it may have nothing to do with your performance. or the company puts you into a job you don't want or make you work from the office, which is the last thing in the world they want to do. i poll my class asks say how many people want to go in five days a week. zero hands. you only start seeing hands when it gets below the number of three days a week. some raise their hands. i have people say just one day a week is enough for them. so i think they also look at

their parents and say what did all that hard work get them? i don't want that life. they want to opt out. the complicating factor is some of them still want to be corporate titans and on the cover of magazines. really honestly, a lot of them want to give money away. they want to make money nobly to give away. but they also don't want to work the way previous generations worked. they don't buy in. >> easy to criticize them as a group. easy to come to the conclusion, but in your own very thoughtful piece, you say, you don't know. maybe they have the right idea. my poll question today asks about their work/life balance and whether it's bonkers or whether they have the right idea. >> every day i'm in class. i think to myself, wait a minute, are they brilliant or bonkers. i don't come out thinking they are bonkers. i think our own generation, they came to their values honestly.

they have had very limited geopolitical stability, they see layoffs all around them, they see ai coming at them. warren buffett called a ai the atom bomb. they see their futures coming towards them. and they have come to these values of saying i don't really trust the man. and should we try to talk them out of it. i don't think they are lazy. i hate that description. a lot of them want to work. they just don't want to work for anyone but themselves. even if they are work ing at a company e they want the to be working for their own growth because they don't -- there's no more lifetime employment. none of them seek it. none of them want it. >> you're reminding me of someone saying to me looking at me in a summer setting last year. you're not on vacation. you're just working in a bathing suit. i'm not sure if it was my iphone or my ipad or laptop in front of me, but that's why your piece made me think. here comes some social media.

stay there. i will read it aloud. they were catered to as kids and teens. protected from the consequences of life, wait until a deep recession hits and they have to mapay a mortgage. all these work from home demands and balance stuff will go bye-bye. suzy says what? >> i say that there's some truth in that. a little bit of this is that they are still supported by their families and there will be a moment where they want something like a house or they will have a kid and want to send that kid to a private school, and they are going to have to face into a different reality. right now, they are a little protected, but at the same time, they are aware they are being accused of this. they just had these attitudes because they are being taken care of by others. and i think they understand that this doesn't last forever. i want to make it clear. when they talk about

funemployment, they feel like unemployment doesn't have to be this terrible thing. they can do their work and careers on their terms because it doesn't get you anything to do it on anyone else's terms. >> we shall see. great to see you. thank you so much for being here. you inspired today's poll question. >> thanks. now you're prepped. go to smerconish.com and vote. is gen z's work/life balance brilliant or bonkers. should kids be graded regardless of whether they have done all the homework? that's the question being wrestled with in certain programs, which try to compensate for those student who is have living situations less than stable. i'm going to talk to an, pert. plus a bipartisan bill has been proposed to save am radio after car manufacturers disconnected it in their vehicles. if this century old technology does fade away, might it be what swell. s the impact of radio?

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there's a campaign underway to save the static. quick history. 1988 after being syndicated to radio station ace cross america, rush limbaugh save d the band b creating a clubhouse for conservatives feeling shut out of the mainstream media. the political ramifications were huge and the payoff for limbaugh north mouse. as evidenced by the invitation he received to sleep in the lincoln bedroom by george h.w. bush. it was becoming all the rage when the entertainment based on headlines that may have run its course in february of 2021. because now comes the news that several major auto makers including bmw, mazda and tesla are removing am radios from

vehicles because electric engines can interfere with the sounds of a.t. stations. ford leliminated a.m. from all vehicles, electric or fwas powered, citing data that it accounts for less than 5% of use. cars were half of a.m. listening takes place in this country. station owners and advertisers say removing access from car dash boards will kill off many of america's 4,000 a.m. stations, 700 of them spanish language. so this week republican senator ted cruz and ed markey began pushing the a.m. for every vehicle act. the legislation would direct the national highway traffic safety administration to require auto makers to keep broadcast radios in their vehicles a at no additional cost. the two parties seem to have differing interests as to why they want to preserve a.m.'s singular role. as the "washington post" put it is some democrats are fighting to save stations that are the

only live source of local information during extreme weather. as well as outlets that target and only republicans claim the elimination of a. mflt radio is aimed the diminishing the reach of radio, eight of the country's ten most popular radio talk shows are conservative. to which i would add how ironic that reallies would want to prop up an industry on life support due to advance in competition. no doubt it's because they fear the loss of the clubhouse that limbaugh built them. he aired on approximately 650 stations. talkers magazine estimated the audience at 15.5 million listeners, the most listened to show in the country. if a.m. is jet san from cars t would hayes the end of an era that began in the early 1900s. they heard the fire shooid chats, the crash, ronald reagan's baseball broadcasts. while the national association of broadcasters says 82 million

americans still listen to a.m. stations each month, that audience has been ageing for decades. i get the nostalgic feelings for a.m. radio. i have them too. i grew up listening to philly 56. it was the age of big markets being dominated by larger than life personalities. alan frooed in cleveland. wolf man jack in the southwest. and jerry, the gator with the heater, the boss with the hot sauce here in philadelphia. the radio station where i was heard was a 50,000 watt clear channel a.m. signal that could be heard after dark as far away as florida. but just as vinyl was overticken by 8 track and cds and extinct by mp3s, time has marched

orphan. the days of having no place to gather are long over. as explained this week by dr. rosenwall from the university of pennsylvania, he's the author of talk radio's america, what's going away here isn't the content. it's just the delivery mechanism. people will still get the exact same sort of extreme information they have gotten on the a. mflt dial. it will come from internet outlets and fox news. he's right. and many of the radio companies have themselves hastened the demise of a.m. radio by moving popular programming including live sports to the fm band. so even if a a.m. disappears, the programming won't fade a with away. still to come, because not owl awl students have stable home lives. some school districts are experimenting with a con cement called equitable grading in favor of mastery of the

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finishing homework and more weight on proving they have mastered the material taught in class through essays and tests and projects. supporters of equitable grading say that assigning homework after school only parents that are more hands on in their kids' education. students required to work after school or take care of their loved ones like older relatives or younger siblings may give them a disadvantage to finishing homework on time. my next guest is the author of grading for equity, what it is, why it matters and how it can transform schools in classrooms. he's a former teacher, principal and district administrator. nice to see you. some say this sounds like coddling. if there's no homework, you're not going to look at classroom participation. where's the accountability? you say what so that? >> good morning. we're only used to one way of grading. we have this grading system for the last the ways we grade now

are undermine effective teaching and learning and perpetuate a lot of achievement disparities. what this is actually about is common sense grading. this actually makes grauding more rigorous. and doesn't penalize students for circumstances outside their control. >> but what about effort? i'm a little selfish when i think of this because it didn't come naturally to me. it came naturally to my brother. he's a smart guy. i was always the one who had to turn in the extra credit. i was always the one that had to hus toll sort of make up for that which didn't come in my genetic code. what about that guy? >> it's extremely important. we want all students to work hard every day. equitable grading, what we perceive as effort in the grade, it's for this reason. if i go to the doctor and the doctor does a test and sees i have high blood pressure, then i go and work out every day for three months and change my diet and i work super hard to lower

my blood pressure and i go back in three months and the doctor does mutt test and sees still have high blood pressure, i don't want the doctor to say he worked so hard. i better say he's fine. i want the doctor to tell me the truth. and equitable grading means we want it to be accurate. we love what students work hard and praise them for that, but we don't want that to work the accuracy of the grade. >> allow me to read aloud from newsweek. this caught my eye. in the name of equity, progressive education consultants and the progressive educators who pay them to advance their ideological goals, drove this change, not parents. the problem they are trying to fix is parenting itself or the lack thereof. you would say what, joe? >> there's a lot of misinterpretations of this. and what we find is that when parents start to learn about this, they actually think this is a huge improvement to the way

students are graded. right now students are graded on everything they do. when they raise their hand, bring in cans for the food drive, when they get their syllabus signed. what this is doing is making grading more rigorous. it tells us, hey, students, it doesn't matter as much if you raise your hand in class f you come to class on time, you don't get points for all those things. what matters is have you learned the material. it makes the grade much more pure. >> let's take a look at social media together. i'll read it aloud in case you're not able to see it. show it to me. grading exists so we can measure success and failure. we should learn lessons from both, if we don't measure the failure, we can't fix it. you'd say what to that? >> i totally agree. equitable grading means we're telling studentings exactly where they are at every stage of their learning. what it is not is saying it doesn't matter if you do

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question for you. are you observing no-mo may? that's slogan that originated in the uk. it refers to refraining from mowing one's lawn for the month of may. the the it helps feeds poll naughters during a period when little else is in bloom. it make s a neighborhood look unkempt. the mayor of ohio actually issued an executive order on the topic. it read in part, throughout the month of may, except in the case of clear health or safety concern, tufts related to violations for tall grass will be suspended. joining me now is the cleveland

heights mayor. explain it to me. what's the purpose? what are we trying to do here? >> the purpose is to provide an additional component to a comprehensive push for ecological sustainability here in cleveland heights. we want to provide an opportunity for people who are intentional about participating in no-mo may. the space to grow their yards just a little longer this month. we know that we are having a devastating impact on pollinators in this country and in this region. and this is something a that we can do to introduce people into a new create i have way of thinking about how we use our lawns. >> what if i want to mow my lawn? what happens to me in cleveland what happens to me in cleveland heights? >> nothing. there are some yards not

well-suited for no-mow may at all. if you have a yard exclusively mono-cultured grass, we're not looking for tall grass. we're looking to provide a bit of room for plants that flower that provide pollen for the pollinators to grow a little bit before we cut them down in the early season. if you have a lawn that's all grass, you might not be a good candidate for no-mow may in the first place. >> if you were driving -- if you were driving through cleveland heights, ohio today on this saturday, what would i see? what's going on relative to public lands? >> sure. on our public lands, we've restricted our mowing a little bit. so, we've -- say, for instance, on the medians, on divided roads, we have thus far mowed a

perimeter strip for visibility on our medians to provide a bit more visibility for driver's as the grass and other plants on the medians grow taller. but we're taking a look at those medians and seeing where it's simply tall grass and where we have natural flowers blooming when otherwise they wouldn't, so that we can sort of adjust course on the fly as we go. this is sort of a test case to see what comes up out of the ground if we don't just strictly mow. if you drive through cleveland heights right now, you'll see a wide variety of pristinely manicured lawns. some other yards that are native planting, gardening, you know, extravaganzas. others just trying this for the first time. in that case, it's probably a little less structured than the people who really know their

native plantings. but you'll see a wide variety of yards in the city. >> listen, i applaud what you're trying to do. i think i want to be in the repair business in cleveland heights, ohio. i know with all the water we've had in the northeast, my grass would be so high right now i don't think my mower could handle it. let's look at social media and the mayor and i can respond together. what do we have? wastewater, fertilizer, mower costs, gas, pollution, all to watch it grow. mow it and put it in plastic bags, what a waste of time and resources and money. one of the things people in the future will look back and say what were they thinking? i take you agree with that comment from brian kenny? >> i believe what we've created culturally is a weird mono-cultured grass lawn that provides very little with the

exception of the esthetics that we have. biodiversity is something that is important for the survival of all species. we work in an interconnected way. even -- before you get to that lofty principled thing, you know, there are things that we can do here that can be just as beautiful with native plantings. no-mow may is not intended to be an end all be all. it's intended to be a gateway into what we can do differently in order to work a little bit more cooperatively with our environment. >> i'd like one of your councilman who was quoted as saying can we move on to no-mo styrofoam? >> absolutely. over time we're working through making more and more environmentally conscious decisions and economically conscious decisions. our move toward reusable bottles

for water, for council meetings, that type of thing is already under way. we are not purchasing anymore disposable styrofoam cups for councilmembers to use. >> got it. good for you. thank you. thank you, mayor. appreciate your time. >> absolutely. thank you for taking an interest in cleveland heights. >> that would make for a great poll question, but we already have a great poll question. coming up, your best and worst social media comments and the results of this week's poll questions at smerconish.com. go vote z's work/life balalance brilliant or bonkers?

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there's the result of this week's poll question at smerconish.com. wow. 58% say bonkers when asked is gen-z's work/life balance brilliant or bonkers? 58% say bonkers. social media reaction includes the following. let's see it. the poll should be sorted by age group. if you had to spend your career at the water cooler, you're going to think it's bonkers, partly out of jealousy. i suspect, joe, we had heavy boomer voting among the roughly 60% who said it's bonkers.

i said to susie, maybe they're looking at their parents. maybe it's not just being raised in an era of covid and the rise of artificial intelligence, but maybe they're looking at their parents constantly on the phone saying i don't want any of that. we'll see if they change their ways. more social media reaction. why are you campaigning against biden? i'm not campaigning against biden. you should be thanking me. because i'm putting on your radar screen something that nobody else is talking about yet, which is he has a problem in new hampshire, and now has an interesting decision to make as to whether to even compete in that state. if he loses new hampshire, what then will be the significance for the rest of the election? aren't you glad i informed you of that? i'll see you next week. ♪ good morning. it's saturday, may 20th. >> you are in the cnn newsroom.