administration wants to get these consequences or at least use of them how to as many people taken south of the border to keep the numbers from going up. >> even on title 40, some markets to be the qualification. is that right? >> the biden administration was clear that they have established legal pass for folks, including aboriginal processing centers in central and south america, that hopefully get people incentive to turn to, versus the cartels -- go all the way through south america and the durham pass over the border and end up here, cities like new york. >> congressman kay are from texas was saying today that everybody applies for asylum, and he was saying a very high number are not actually eligible. we will see how they deal with that now going forward. as of right now, title 42 as officially expired. thank you all for being here tonight. great to have you and thank you so much for watching. our coverage continues now.

>> good evening, before we begin tonight's broadcast, i want to say something about what we witnessed at last night's town hall. many of you have expressed deep anger and disappointment, many of you are upset that someone who attempted to destroy our democracy was invited to sit on the stage in front of a crowd of republican voters to answer questions. and predictably, continue to spew lie after lie after lie. i get it. it was disturbing. it was disturbing to see him here that person referred to black law enforcement officer as a thug. an adjective used many times to describe blackmon. and called kaitlan collins the moderator, nasty. which is what he calls any woman who stands up to him. it was disturbing. to hear him speak so highly of qanon conspirators and insurrectionists who assaulted police officers and our democracy on january 6th. it

was awful to hear him spread ridiculous lies about the election. it was certainly disturbing to hear that audience, young and old, our fellow citizens, people who love their kids and go to church, laugh, and applaud his lies. and his continued defamation of a woman who according to a jury of his peers, he sexually abused in defamed. as good a job as kaitlan collins did trying to fact-check him, it is impossible to fact check fully, because he lies so shamelessly. now, many of you think cnn shouldn't of giving him any platform to speak, and i understand the anger about that. giving him the audience, the time, i get that. this is what i also get. the man you are so disturbed to see and hear from last night, that man is the front runner for the republican nomination for president. according to polling, no other republican is even close. that man you are so upset to hear from last night, he may be president of the united states in less than two years. and that audience that upset you? that's a sampling of about half of the country. they are your family members, your neighbors, and they are voting. many said they're voting for him. now, maybe you haven't giving attention to him, since he left office, maybe you've been enjoying not hearing from him, thinking it can happen again. some investigation is gonna stop him. well, it hasn't

so far. so, if last night showed anything, it showed, it can happen again. it is happening again. he hasn't changed, he is running hard. you have every right to be outraged today, an angry, and what never watch this network again. do you think staying in your silo and only listening to people you agree with it's gonna make that person go away? if we all only listen to those we agree with, it may actually do the opposite. if lives are allowed to go unchecked, as imperfect as our ability to check them is on a stage in realtime, those lies continue, and those lie spread. if you're angry or upset, i understand. but you have the power to do something about it. you can actually get involved, you can make a difference. whatever side of the aisle you're on. after last night, none of us can say, i didn't know what's out there. i didn't know what's coming. we asked republican senators for the thoughts about

last night, some prefer not to say anything, others did. here's a sampling of what we heard. >> what was the reason for him not supporting? >> where do i begin. president trump's judgment is wrong in this case. president putin in his government have engaged in war crimes. >> i think people saw last night what they would get with another term of donald trump as president. which is completely untethered to the truth. uncertain as to whether he wants russia or ukraine to win. in a brutal conflict with russia as imposed on ukraine. >> you're asking me to i think should pardon people? like riding behavior? no i don't. >> anybody who crossed to that end of the capitol under the circumstances that i witnessed firsthand, it's hard for me to have a positive predisposition towards them. >> more now from jessica dean, she's at the capitol for us, what are you hearing tonight,

jessica?? it >> let's start first with republican both in the senate and the house, you just heard from some senate republicans there, anderson. people like senator mitt romney, that's somebody who has been pretty outspoken. against former president donald trump. it was somewhat surprising to see someone like senator josh hawley push back against some of his positions that he took last night. and what we heard, again and again, in talking with these republican members who pushed back against him and had very different opinions. then former president trump. it really kind of circled around three issues it was ukraine, vladimir putin, and if he's a war criminal or not, and who should win that war. january 6th and former president trump's pledge to, perhaps, pardon people who were here at the capitol, as insurrectionists, who have been convicted and or serving time. there was also, of course, the debt ceiling. which looms very heavy here right now. as they were towards that june 1st

deadline. allowing the nation to default. those were really the key issues, we also heard similar things from members of the house gop, who came back to those same issues as well. anderson, even in hearing some of these republicans speaking out against the former president, that's still just a handful of people, and let's be very clear, he still has an enormous amount of power and an enormous support system here among republicans. on capitol hill. >> what about reaction from democrats? >> well as you can imagine. democrats have never been fans of the former president. that's certainly continued, what we saw, the democratic party really trying to attach donald trump the maga republicans, which is really been there, line that they president biden has used as well, to put them altogether. as a party that is too extreme to lead that is the case that we heard them making. we heard the senate majority leader, chuck schumer, talking about how president trump as what he calls enormous sway. over how speaker, kevin mccarthy, as he navigates these debt ceiling negotiations. we heard from hakeem jeffries, who leads the house democrats he said that this is exhibit a of the trauma that america would see if we have another four years with president trump. and then we also heard from richard

blumenthal the senator from connecticut, who said that if he were to pardon those january 6th rioters, that would be grounds for yet another impeachment, in his eyes. again, a lot from the democrats that you would expect. really trying to stake their positions, make it very clear, they are quite different than the democrats offer a very, very different view than donald trump, and attaching him to that far right wing of the party. also, interesting. anderson go to back to the senate republicans for one second. we did talk to the senate majority whip, john thune, who said it looks like a lot of democratic campaign ads were written last night. >> all right, jessica dean, appreciate it. we get some perspective with, republican consultant, and cnn political commentator, margaret hoover. host a filing, on pbs, also anthony scaramucci who really does want communications record the former president our own chief white house correspondent, phil mattingly. anthony, do you think anything's happen in the past 24 hours that changed the

dynamics for this gop primary race? >> not yet. i think you guys are bringing up something that could change it. that is an onslaught of senators and house of representative congressional leaders going against the president, i think that would be a snowball rolling in a direction that he actually couldn't stop. so, they're still fearing him because he's a big bully. and their political -- soldiers are telling him, don't say anything about him. don't make a comment. if they start to stand up to him, the way mitt romney, did you saw glimmer of that with senator hawley, you will blunt him. it will slow him down. and remember, when the which in the wizard of oz the water accidentally spilled on the which, she started melting, the soldiers turned north and said, hey, jeez, i'm sorry that we did this. i think we're getting to that point right now. where the water has to hit trump, he has to start melting. they have to show some bravery and courage. >> there's a lot of munchkins

on capitol hill though. >> more than half a relative in the senate, i would say. that's -- this is also about our electoral incentives. what it takes to have political courage. and moral courage. there are u.s. senators who recently been elected who voiced -- that actually agreed with everything senator tillis just said, by the way, just reelected. and then really mince words there. and suggesting that he didn't really support returning an insurrectionist to the white house. i think you're right, anthony, this is the moment where republicans and elder statesman and women of the republican party have to self police. we haven't done it for six years. we have to start now. it's going to be behind closed doors, it's going to be open in public. it has to be republican on republican. the problem with donald trump's inertia right now, he's seen as a victim by the media, the democrats, the other people. that's emboldening him. if this

is a republican on republican to donald trump, then you've got a chance at building a wedge and building momentum for someone else. >> what you hearing from the biden white house? last night, we're hearing they're all these attack ads that were written last night because of so many lies were being told. as our putting a brave face on it? >> it's a spin, i think this is the value of, i think republicans enters wrecks really quite good at surfacing this reality. when you take a step back from the very visceral passions of last night, when democrats said didn't buy tire of and was just triggering for entire party, we all get an understanding. you address it at the top. you look at the actual content, and substance and policy that was addressed through the questions the kalon asking, you realize that the president, the former president, former president trump, was walking right into pretty much

the entire framing of president biden's campaign reelection, launch video the stakes of the moment, the january 6th, the pardons, putting the election on the sanctity of the election at risk in the constitution at risk. also, on the critical policy issues that democrats have run on, and one on. concerts are preincorporation, look at the statewide michigan, you look at swing states on the issue of abortion. that is a winning issue every day of the week. the president, the former president, can try and parse on whether he wants to national abortion ban only wants what he said on dobbs, it could very clear how proud he was of what happened with dobbs, every democrat in america is writing a campaign ad on that issue, the one thing, i would say one thing i was told last night, an aide texted, adviser tested, be this was a week's worth of damning content in one hour. it was quite efficient. the point of elevating this moment, as opposed to letting him sit in safe corners and just kind of talk amongst his own people, underscores that reality. and we saw republican senators to.

>> it's interesting, the joe biden got into the race initially saying the soul of the nation is at stake. pointed to what happened to charlottesville, where former president said, very good people on both sides. he essentially said the same thing last night about, he would have to look into the proud boys who've been convicted and whether or not he would pardon those guys. i mean, that's extraordinary. that's, again, him talking about there were good cops there who had been arrested, police officer who was attacking other police officers. >> that's what's so interesting, many people say he hasn't changed at all. actually, that's not true. in many ways, he's gotten worse. he's doubling a tripling down. it's not good people on both sides. actually babbitt was a good person. she was murdered. >> so nothing about the entered officers. >> correct. so, i think, it does -- to somebody who's thoughtful in watching this, we have all

reflected on what a second trump term would look like. what happened with anthony scaramucci at the deck, no guardrails it would just have no guardrails. >> anthony, you know this better than anybody, when you look at the republican challengers, that are out there, now and the ones that are bubbling up, we talk to chris's new last night and others. did anyone know how to run against this guy? >> no. they could be sworn in. it's like what happened when the -- on wall street, they could get together and say, enough is enough. they could push the party and other people to be swarm him. the probably analysis on the democratic side, with all respect to them, is a lot can go wrong for the democrats between now and 2024. god forbid, there's health related issues, or anything like that, and he's sitting there in a seat that you did not expect he could be the sitting president again. he will damage the democracy, he will -- elements of our rule of law, he will do things that are non-traditional to the united states. forget about the things that he could potentially do to our allies, and our adversaries

in that role. okay, and he's a very angry guy, and we all know at this table, he's intellectually in curious. and he will have a staff of misfits running around for him, because nobody like general kelly, or you pick the team that was in their first time, not even his children want to go. he knows that, which is why he propped up the first lady this week, because he knows that he doesn't have the connectivity, and this is not 2016 anymore, anderson. the country's changed a lot, you can be in a situation where things happen randomly, and he is in the pole position, and i think we owe it to the american people to stop that, as fellow republicans. >> the careful what you wish for president to look through things, everybody should be reminded of 2015, in 2016, where democrats were saying, we want him as the nominee. it's not that much different this time, except, the primary reason why is because they feel like there are so many weaknesses, and he's been defeated by the incumbent

president, anthony makes a great, point heroes can happen, one thing i would note, there's been a lot of talk about the apathy on the democratic side for the current president, former president biden, the lack of energy, enthusiasm. this is what brings that out. when you talk to advisers who are looking at polls, washington post poll, a colorful of tension last week i believe. that showed the former president beating president biden. their coalition was where the numbers dropped off, dramatically. it's why the question a lot of methodology of the pole. that coalition comes home, in the view of biden advisers, when they see stuff like this, that's what energizes, then that's what got joe biden to the white house in 2020. him being on center stage for all of the pain that seems to have caused some people for democrats that is a serious motivating factor, for the current president, that is his path no question about it. >> i was a, something doesn't reflect well on me. we did a lot of equivocation in that 2016 campaign, this is not a

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>> an 11:59 eastern time tonight, this is a live shot up the u.s., mexican border. the crisis on this country's southern border could get worse tonight around 11:59 pm. that is what the trump era policy known as title 42 expires. title 42 allowed for the quicker expulsion of migrants due to the pandemic and that could make a serious problem even worse. today president biden met with homeland security secretary mayorkas, and secretary of state blinken, according to the white house a ongoing actions to quote humanely manage regional migration through enforcement, deterrence, and diplomacy. u. s. footwork government estimated two days ago that there were migrants in the united states that border the u.s.. 5000 more than the day before. so we saw even more people today, david? >> anderson, what you can see from above, you are also seeing behind me. that is the u.s.

side. you can see hundreds of migrants are camped out there starting to be processed and it seems that texas national guard along with texas state troopers are putting together a show of force and stopping anywhere migrants from crossing over to begin processing. but even to this point it is a deadly and dangerous journey. one that we have got to sample for selves. >> we are just outside, and this is the last train stopped for this freight train that is eventually going to get into the city. you could see, already, dozens of migrants in several of these cars. on top of them, all about, we are asking if they have water, food. >> we climb on. the train slowly starts up again heading north. we meet migrants from all over. >> he says he is from honduras originally and wants to go to the u.s.. >> felipe from columbia also hoping to enter the u.s.. i asked her why the u.s. and she said to have a better future. omar, from venezuela. he's

trying to get to baltimore, maryland. we wrote for an hour. they have been out here for days. 12 days for roberto and his family. >> he is with his dad and his sister. >> [speaking non-english] >> he says that they have been attacked, they have been robbed. he describes really treacherous track. >> part of the attorney north is what it's called the beast. it is also known as the train of death. and often controlled by cartels. roberta wears a face mask to not affect the others. he tells me that he got sick early on in his travels. >> a lot of them have been sick. and with his two kids, young ones. >> he tells me his two toddlers nearly died so he summed them back with family in honduras as

he continues on. they stand, sit, and sleep on metal construction beams. covered in plastic. dirty clothes and cardboard used to make it as comfortable as possible. the heat and sun, brutal. at midas the cold and wind. the smells, sewage at times, and burning trash as we drove past what appears to be an incinerator. their souls, worn down. a >> [speaking non-english] >> he says it is very dangerous for women, as well. they said that food is just really scarce right now. >> [speaking non-english] >> omar spent four days on board already. food has run out. he showed us the little water he has left and the documents he clings to, and he can secure in plastic.

>> [speaking non-english] >> he is going through all of the different situations that would allow you to enter to the u.s.. they have got to print it out in spanish. and he has got the address. of his friend in baltimore that he wants to get to. >> [speaking non-english] >> for days on the train for him, he said the first day he almost got really sick because the sun was so strong. and now he is making sure to keep cover as much as possible. he wants to go to new york. >> for omar it is a familiar journey. he left venezuela six months ago, already expelled once from the u.s. for trying to cross. he will try again. >> [speaking non-english] >> [speaking non-english] >> legally, or illegally. he

will cross, he tells me. i asked him if he is hopeful. >> [speaking non-english] >> i've got a lot of faith, he tells me. >> ultimately he hopes to get money sent back to his two kids in venezuela. >> as we pull into here, about 25 miles from the border wall with el paso, we and the others plan out. >> you can see almost everyone getting off. this is the last stop. >> omar, among the last off, carrying his only belongings and somehow, a smile. >> [speaking non-english] >> planning to cross immediately. >> david, do you know where they are now? >> some of them went to the city center to wait it out a few days, to bathe themselves and try to get processed. others are in the crowd right

behind getting processed as we speak. they say that if they get expelled and deported from the u.s., they will try again, and again, and again, until they make it in, anderson? >> david, appreciate it. jorge romo says also covering the story from the mexican border for his viewers and lending us his perspective tonight. you are at a migrant camp in mexico just across the border from brownsville, texas. what are you seeing, what is it like? >> it is true desperation. right here we can see rio rondo, and you just move here, and you could see trash all over the place. this is a migrant camp. there are about 6000 immigrants who are trying to cross into the united states. they have absolutely nothing. they have no papers, they have no money. and in these camps, as you can see, they live in tents with no

running water. no public bathrooms. however, what they do have is going to the united states. that is exactly what they want. and they do understand that it is incredibly difficult. because who wants to be here? they are one of the most dangerous cities, in a very violent country. they also much money, and it goes back to the country of origin. most of them from venezuela. it would be impossible for them -- >> and at the end what they are telling me is that it does not rocket science. when they lift title 42 it will be much easier for them. it will be much easier for them to cross into the united states. >> so right now, under title 42, if they want to apply for asylum they have to do it in mexico, is that correct? >> that is what happens. here they have absolutely nothing. they have it so phone. through the sulfone, there are applying with cbp one, trying to get into the united states. now,

what is really interesting is that the mexico has become the processing center, the immigration police of the united states. mexico, in a way, has become the wall. and whatever the u.s. does not want to do, know mexico is doing it. >> so once with title 42 going away are the people there waiting for that to go away in order to cross over? what are their plans? >> i think that when you talk to everyone, there is a lot of confusion. there are so many rules title 42, title eight, what applies only two people from venezuela, cuba, nicaragua. it's incredibly complicated. but in the end they do understand that once title 42 is lifted it will be much easier. and we are already seeing the surge. that was last tuesday, there were about 11,000 immigrants crossing illegally from mexico into the united states, just to put it into perspective. before that the average was 6000 to 7000. so we do have about 10,000 or 11,000 every single day crossing, at the end of the

fiscal year it could be more than 4 million immigrants crossing. this would be an incredible record, and we have to say no one, absolutely no one. the biden administration nor the trump administration, or the obama administration could handle something this big. this is the new normal. and the best we could hope, i think, is just to handle the crisis before it becomes truly chaotic. >> and yet, the system is so backlog that the differences are so severe on this issue in the united states that there is no, i mean, there is no sign of any kind of comprehensive immigration reform that is actually going to get more border security and also figure out a way to streamline this asylum system and get more judges, and whatever needs to be done. >> exactly. nothing is going to change. the system is completely broken. and we have many different prices. on one hand, we have about ten or 11 immigrants in the united states already that they need a solution, and republicans and democrats are not even talking about it. then we have probably 4 million immigrants, maybe less that are coming this year into the united states. and in the system on the other side and mexico, the border here with texas, it is simply not working. it is not functioning.

it is completely dysfunctional. it is going to be used as a political tool during the campaign and nothing is going to be resolved. and the people who are really suffering are the immigrants over here. many of them who have legitimate reasons to ask for asylum, and the legal process is so difficult that some of them might decide tonight, at midnight, just across illegally. >> i appreciate your time tonight, thank you. >> thank you anderson. >> coming, up reaction to the former president's comments about january six rioters, more from the democratic senator who is at the capitol that date. she joins us, next.

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>> earlier, we showed you some of the reaction from republican senators to the former president's comments during last night's town hall. those who would talk with us were disturbed but his remarks about pardons for january 6th rioters, and refusal to collide near putin a war criminal. we will get reactions from the democratic side of the aisle. joining us now, amy klobuchar, author of the joy of politics, surviving cancer, and a pandemic, an insurrection, and life than expected curveballs. it is good to have you on the

program. congratulations on your book. you write in the book a lot about the events of january 6th. i'm wondering what your reaction was to the former president last night saying that he didn't think vice president pence was in any danger in that he's inclined to pardon many of those convicted for the roles in the insurrection. even saying that he would have to look closer on the seditious conspiracy convictions of the proud boys. >> i think anyone that questioned if he have somehow changed got their answers last night. he didn't back down, he doubled down. he talked about police officers being thugs. he talked about, he said he would pardon a bunch of the insurrectionists. he called january 6th a beautiful day. i was there, anderson. it wasn't beautiful, and it certainly wasn't beautiful for the family of officer sicknick, who died. and the several other officers

who later died. and so many police officers who were injured. senator blunt and i, as i know, can tell the story. we were heads of the rules committee, we weren't the ones at four in the morning, that made that walk through the broken glass and by the spray-painted pillars filled with vulgarity is and racist things and we've made that walk with those three pairs of pages, holding the mahogany boxes with the last of the electoral ballots of up to wyoming and we did our job. two weeks later, standing under that blue sky, one of the reasons why i did the book was the memory of the words of a mandarin. the youngest -- in her bright yellow coat standing on that very platform for joe biden's inauguration. on the very platform that the insurrectionists had tried to destroy and saying those words. we must find light in the never ending shade. and that is what i think politics is about.

looking for that, getting things done, helping people. >> you write about going after president trump in the 2020 campaign on abortion. last night he refused to say whether he is signing a federal abortion ban into law. although he put three justices on the supreme court that overturned roe v. wade. >> well, i took this as he put those judges on and he did it for a reason. he knew what would happen. and to me, it is very clear the path between his decisions to who he was going to put on the bench, and that outcome, which overturned over 50 years of precedent which basically left our country with a patchwork of laws. so that women in texas have to take the bus to illinois, or minnesota just to get their reproductive health care. it is an outrage. he is responsible for it. >> you open your book talking

about how much covid impacted you and your family. today marks the end of the national public health emergency around covid here in the u.s.. i am wondering, as you look back and as we were writing this these past for three years, what do you think we have -- do you think the u.s. is prepared for the next pandemic? >> one of the things i wanted to do in the chapter, i wrote this book because we've all been through a lot in america. it is important to not forget it. but we cannot just lament the setbacks. we have to rejoicing the comebacks. and we've come back from covid. people are gathering together. some of the things we learned as people who lost their moms, that's, grandpas, brothers, sisters, they weren't even there to say goodbye. >> you lost your dad if you years ago. >> yes. my dad actually got covid and survived it. but ultimately perished from late onset alzheimer's. but i remember standing outside of

that window at the assisted living when he had it thinking it was going to be the last time that i saw him. but he somehow made it through and graduated from hospice three times. mountain climber that he was. but i miss him very much. i think we all went through such a hard time. because you couldn't meet the people. you couldn't see your loved ones. so i think that it is important to not forget that as people struggle with mental illness. now, as we see some of the long haul symptoms and also our economy continues to build back, a lot of this is behind us. but we have to understand that it is preparing for the next one and making sure that we have updated equipment, making sure that we continue to support science indy and i age and make much-needed reforms to the center for disease control. all of those things are recommendations that i make in the book. but i think that there are things that we have to do to continue to make sure

that this never happens again. >> senator amy klobuchar i appreciate your time. then you because you joy of politics, surviving cancer, a campaign, a pandemic, an insurrection, and lifes other unexpected curveballs. up next, an arrest expected in the deadly new york city subway chokehold death of jordan neely. a statement from the suspect's attorneys.

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>> on the eve of unexpected arrest in the new york city subway chokehold death of jordan neely, attorneys for the man in charge, daniel penny, issued a new statement and our goal. he rode penny rest his own life and safety for the good of his fellow passengers and went on to write that mr. penny will be fully absolved of any wrongdoing. the statement comes hours after the d. a.'s office told cnn that penny would be arrested tomorrow, the charge would be manslaughter in the second degree. jordan neely was a michael jackson impersonator. the confrontation occurred last week on a subway train. a witness has told cnn that nearly was being loud and aggressive, shouting that he was hungry, and had little to live for. the witness also said that he didn't attack anyone. the witness took video of the confrontation and some of what you see is disturbing. penny

came up behind nearly and put him in a chokehold. cnn doesn't know exactly what led up to the confrontation or how long merely within the chokehold, while one person the video says that nearly may have a weapon, they say that he didn't see one. he later lost consciousness and was pronounced dead at the hospital. there were protests and cause for his arrest since his death became public. cnn senior analyst and u.s. attorney -- and analyst john miller, who is also a former nypd deputy commissioner. what more do you know about the decision? >> this is something that has been going back and forth on since may 1st. which was the night that they decided not to make that summary arrests that night. and the choices were, do we study the evidence, the autopsy, the witness statements, and decide what do we see here in terms of self-defense, versus manslaughter? do we put the whole thing in a grand jury and let them decide whether to indict and then go forward are not? or do we authorize an

arrest and today, they decided that we are going to authorize the arrest. days to get this in front of a grand jury. and get that process towards indictment. what is going to happen is he has been charged now, the grand jury will hear from the passengers who were on that train as to whether they felt threatened, were frightened or not. they will hear the recount of what they saw and heard. they will look at the video, they will hear from the medical examiner, but this is the key. probably where we pass the ball to elie. the question is, does daniel penny go and wave immunity at his own risk and testify in the grand jury? basically trying not to get indicted by telling his story of what was in his mind when he did this. >> that is a very interesting question. first of all, manslaughter in the second degree, the key term is recklessness. so -- >> what does that mean? >> it is not a murder charge.

the more serious charge would have been murder. meaning intended to cause somebody's death. they do not, prosecutors do not have to prove that perry intended to kill nearly. they do need to prove that his actions were reckless. and there is no magic formula, that is going to be up to the jury. what was recklessness, what was. not a couple of things, will perry, the potential defendant here, use his right, which he has, to go into the grand jury and defend himself? that is a very difficult strategic decision. the other thing is -- >> because anything he said -- >> absolutely. but he may also convince the jury to not indict him. >> that is notable. that is a hard decision. he has already given his version of the story. so the grand jury trespass down a little bit there. >> and on the self-defense question that we were just talking about, people may say well, penny was not in any danger. if he came up behind nearly and put him in a chokehold. but you are allowed to use force to protect other people. so it doesn't necessarily have to be defensive yourself, you could

use reasonable force to defend some other third person. >> there is also the question, i guess, not only of the initial chokehold, but then how long was it sustained for? i mean, i guess the initial attempt of mr. neely -- it granary could find that that was okay, but the chokehold, holding on to him for so long was not? >> absolutely. you are going to want to know every step of what led up to the video that we have all seen where he's down on the ground. but yes, the duration is going to matter a lot. how long did he hold him? was he showing signs of life? was he verbally able to say anything? what were other people doing? all of that is going to matter here. >> there have been demonstrations, how does that influence the prosecution? there is clearly pressure on the city, on officials. >> there have been demonstrations there have been arrests. as a prosecutor you are supposed to feel that pressure. but you are not

supposed to react to it. this is about the law, this is about justice, but it is not about i outside influences. i asked people in the d. a.'s office today, you know, their plan was to put it through the grand jury and then suddenly their plan was we are going to make the arrest now and go through the grand jury. what was the driver there, why the change? what they said simply was, we have got a grand jury sitting now and we could get this through the grand jury next week. we know the witnesses, it's not that complicated. otherwise we would have to wait until the next grand jury comes along and this would drag out through the summer. the justice means an answer. >> thank you so much. remember, one of the last people to see natalee holloway alive 18 years ago, he's being extradited to the u.s.. not for his charges related to her death, but for something else connected to her disappearance. we will have the latest on that. >> the main suspect in the 2005

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>> the main suspect in the 2005 disappearance of alabama teen, emily holloway, is being extradited to the united states. he is accused of scamming the family and faces charges of extortion and wire fraud. their 18 year old daughter was last seen leaving aruba with him in two other men. she was on the island for a senior class trip. he is a dutch national serving time in a peruvian prison for murder in a separate case. jean casarez has been covering the case from the very beginning in hostilities for us tonight. >> natalie holloway was on a school trip in aruba when she vanished 18 years ago. one of the last people to see her alive was -- >> he knows exactly what happened, where, when, who, why, and how. he knows the answers. >> it was may of 2005. 18 year old holloway was last seen leaving a nightclub in aruba with him and two other men. her body was never found. all three men were charged by prosecutors in 2007 for involvement in manslaughter. but a judge ordered their release citing lack of direct evidence. vanderlip is accused of

extorting thousands from holloway's mother, beth. according to legal documents, in march of 2010 offered to take the witness to the location of natalee holloway's body and that's to the circumstances of her death and identified those in her death and disappearance in return for a payment of $250,000. it total of $25,000 was given as a down payment. and holloway's attorney flew to aruba. they took the attorney to a house, saying the body was buried within the foundation. days later he emailed the hallways saying he had lied about the location of natalee holloway's remains. extortion charges were filed a short time later. but he was nowhere to be found. he had fled to peru. surveillance video shows him gambling with what was believed to be the 25,000. he met the daughter of a prominent peruvian business man, stephanie flores. video shows them leaving the casino, going to her apartment, hours later she was dead. cnn went to peru and he was arrested and charged with the murder. we obtained exclusive access to one of the most violent prisons in peru for his housing at the time. as he was laid out, we were allowed to enter his private cell. he was convicted

of murdering flores in peru in 2012. peruvian authorities said that from the beginning they would extradite him to the u. s. eventually to face federal charges in the u.s.. natalie's mother are reacting to the news in a statement wednesday. she would be 36 years old now. it has been a very long and painful journey. but the persistence of many is going to pay off. together, we are finally getting justice for natalie. >> i mean, this is incredible. this new development. you were at the prison in peru. it's going to be pretty surprised by u.s. prisons ? >> he will be surprised because in peru you can wear your own clothes. they'll have street

clothes on. and because of that they can hide their weapons. we saw a knife in that video of somebody trying to get out of their cell. anyone from the community can bring in big goods, a hot meal to any prisoner that they want. at any time. and women come to the prison, men can come to the

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