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we have come out in a way that is in conjunction with what the family has asked for. they have been peaceful in protest, but they are very, very disturbed. >> we're out here today because we believe that no one else should go through what tyre nichols went through. >> they are grateful that the video came out so now the whole world knows what happened, that he was defenseless, that he was helpless. >> look how they grabbed him out of the car. there was no human inside of those men. >> maybe we do have faith and hope that the system is going to get it right this time. >> i'm pamela brown in
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washington and you are in the cnn newsroom. ♪ horrifying cruelty and the heartless disregard for a dying man. today, outraged americans are holding small and mostly peaceful protests. in memphis and several other cities protesters are making their voices heard in support of tyre nichols. his deadly beating at the hands of five memphis police officers is captured on video and released to the public last night. we want to warn you, the images you are about to see are deeply troubling, but critical in understanding the sheer b barbarity of his death. >> watch out! watch out! >> nichols screams for his
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mother, who was at home just blocks away. officers continue to hit nichols and use pepper spray. nichols eventually slumps over unconscious, but for 21 minutes no one on the scene appears to render the aid that might have saved his life. in just a moment, we'll speak to ben crump, the attorney for tyre nichols' family. shimon prokupecz joins us. the five now former police officers are charged with second degree murder. just a short time ago we learned that special unit they belonged to is now permanently deactivated. the police chief is disbanding it. >> reporter: this is significant, pam, because this is something family members, community leaders have been calling for, this disbandment of this cscorpion unit that the fie former officers were part of.
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they drove around in unmarked cars and were used to fight crime in heavy crime areas. let me read the statement from the police chief. she writes that in the process of listening intently to the family of tyre nichols, community leaders and the uninvolved officers who have done quality work in their assignments, it is in the best interest of all to permanently deactivate the scorpion unit. the officers currently assigned to the unit agree unreservedly with the next step. interesting that she says the quality work. if you ask people in this community, they may not feel that way. they have been certainly raising issues with this unit and some of their tactics, aggressive tactics, of course, that they have been concerned about. now, this is a street crime unit. their whole purpose was to fight crime aggressively, go into these heavy crime areas.
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the conservscorpion unit, which name itself has come under scrutiny because of the name scorpion. what it really stands for is the street crimes operation to restore peace in our na neighborhoods. it was launched in november 2021. its focus was homicides, robberies, assaults and other felonies. of course, we know from watching this horrific video, this unit pulled tyre nichols over. they were in unmarked cars and just their aggressive tactics, how aggressive they were in the way they approached tyre nichols, in the way they pulled him out of the car, threw him to the ground. of course, most importantly today the family members and the community members who have asked for this to happen now get their wish and this unit is now being disbanded. >> we're going to talk to
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benjamin crump, the attorney for the family, in just a moment about that. across the nation, people have been shocked, saddened by the videos that show the ultimately fatal beating of tyre nichols at the hands of memphis police. there are protests today, but most marchers are heeding the pleas of nichols' mother to stay peaceful. >> reporter: we are closely watching what are expected to be another round of demonstrations from coast to coast tonight. it is a repeat of what we saw last night. what we do know is that currently there is a small group of demonstrators peacefully assembling here in manhattan in washington square park as they are preparing really for a long list of speakers and hoping that their voices will stand or at least make it all the way to tennessee and beyond, hoping that they can stand there in solidarity with the nichols family. i heard from one of the
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organizers saying they are strongly adhering to the wishes of the nichols family, making sure any protests tonight do remain peaceful. i want you to hear from one oh of the organizers that spoke to our colleagues at wcbs. >> we are out here to fight and call for justice once again and continuously because the work did not stop in 2020 or 2021 or 2022. we are still here fighting until justice is done. >> based on reports we received from police departments throughout much of the country, many of these demonstrations remain peaceful. there was one small isolated incident in times square that resulted in three arrests. we are seeing that message across the board, adhering to the wishes of the nichols family. also, many of the statements we're receiving from other law enforcement agencies, they are also many of them expressing
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outrage after what we saw in that series of videos yesterday, not just the action of those officers but also the inactions as well. >> so horrible to see that. joining me now is benjamin crump, attorney for the family of tyre nichols. we just learned this news that the specialized unit, the scorpion unit these five former police officers belong to has been disbanded. that has been a key demand from the family. does this give you and the family confidence that you're being heard? >> it certainly does, pamela. his parents rowvaughn and rodney wells, my cocounsel and i saw that that was part of the culture as responsible as those five officers were for killing tyre nichols and that
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reprehensible conduct we saw in that video, we think this was part of the culture of the scorpion unit. so we demanded that they disbanded immediately before we see anything like this happen again. other citizens have come to us and said that they also attacked us. there was one young man four or five days before this happened to tyre nichols who said he was simply going to get pizza. he stopped at the stop sign and they pulled him out, used all kind of profane language, threw him on the ground and put a gun to his head. he tried to report them to the memphis police department twice, never got a call back. we believe had somebody been attentive that tyre nichols may not have been killed in this way. >> right. watching that video, it's horrifying to see the way they
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are brutally beating him up and standing around as he is suffering there by the car. the other officers on that scorpion unit are still part of the department. what do you think about that? >> we need to know if there's a pattern and practice of excessive use of force. i know the department of justice civil rights division is investigating this killing of tyre nichols. our hope is it will expand to pattern and practice, because many citizens have questioned not just the scorpion unit but the memphis police department and their policing, whether there's bias or not towards black people. >> it is important to look into. also, there are people reaching out and their complaints weren't being heard before this tyre nichols' death that garnered national attention. you have said about the police chief that she has handled this well, firing the officers. we now know they have been charged, releasing the full video to the public.
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you said this is the blueprint. after the release of that video, a lot of questions have also been raised about her ability to lead the department and whether she is taking these steps to save her own job. i want you to listen to what retired lapd sergeant cheryl dorsey said about the police chief. >> just like she got rid of those five in two weeks, she can get rid of everybody who was on scene who acquiesced that misconduct, committing misconduct themselves. she's got problems and she understands that. maybe that's why she's hiding. she needs to go as well. >> what do you think? >> from what i've seen chief davis has been very exemplary in her leadership. i do think that as mr. wells, tyre's father has said over and over again, everybody on that scene who either engaged or didn't do anything to help save
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his son should be terminated. we believe there was a white officer who may have been a supervisor or senior level person who tased him initially. then when you listen to all of the audio, there was somebody -- and many believe it was him who said, i hope when they catch him, they stomp him. that shows a pattern. i will say this. she terminated those officers quickly. they were arrested and they were charged in less than 20 days. we haven't really seen that. with these five black officers, they did. that's why i'm saying this is the blueprint going forward even when it's not black officers. when you see police officers commit crimes against citizens, then we want you to act just as swiftly and show, as the chief said, the community needs to see it. we need to see it too when it's
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white police officers. >> do you think if they were white, it wouldn't have acted as swiftly? >> many in the community believe they would not have acted as swiftly. they would have been said, oh, why didn't he comply, why didn't he run. you see what those officers were saying and doing to him. wouldn't you have run if somebody is cursing at you? what was tyre to do? the humanity in him showed throughout. he never used profanity toward him. he said, what did i do? i just want to go home. >> he said you guys are doing a lot. what's going on here? what did i do to garner this? we know after the video was released two deputies are on leave from shelby county. they were there on the scene apparently pending an investigation. do you anticipate more fallout,
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possibly more people being charged, such as the ems workers? >> i think there's going to be more fallout. whether that's going to lead to criminal charges, we have to see. but we do think there were some other officers there that should have been charged, not just these five, because they definitely should have been charged. but we think the other officers there -- how heartbreaking was it when he was handcuffed there on the ground moaning and everybody was walking around so nonchalantly as if this is just business of usual. that's why we said the scorpion unit had to go. i believe the citizens. this was business as usual, how they trampled on the constitutional rights of these citizens and this community. >> we are fortunate to live in an age where there is so much camera documentation. we didn't used to have that. the fact that they were still
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talking this way and acting this way with the cameras around, what does that say to you? >> it was heinous. it meant there is a culture, this institutionalized police culture which says whether you're a black, hispanic or white officer, that you can engage in excessive use of force against persons of color and get away with it. we don't see our white brothers and sisters who are unarmed have this level of excessive force levelled against them. how many videos of young unarmed black men have we seen? george floyd, laquan mcdonald, the list goes on and on and on. >> it's heartbreaking. i was just going through a whole list of all the different police brutality cases. you are absolutely right.
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on this case what stuck out to me was the fact that they were not only just standing around, but he didn't receive medical help for more than 20 minutes. have you been begin an explanation as to why that was? >> not only that, you saw them not extend any humanity to this human being who's obviously in distress. he's moaning. anybody could see he needed medical help. but his parents were told by memphis police officers that he was just pepper sprayed and tased and that he was at a nearby hospital. they said, well, we want to go to him. they told him, you can't go because he's under arrest. had it not been for the doctor calling rowvaughn wells, his mother, at 4:00 in the morning, they never would have knew that he was in respiratory distress
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and that his lungs were collapsing. there needs to be accountability from top to bottom and we've to hold them accountable because that's the only way we can honor the legacy of tyre nichols. like we told president biden, we need to marshal the united states senate and have them have hearings to try to get the george floyd justice for policing act passed and then work on the house. because if not, if we don't have federal law, we're going to be talking about this over and over again, because it was the culture that was just as guilty for killing tyre nichols as those officers. >> benjamin crump, thank you for your time. please send our love and well wishes to tyre's family. i've been thinking about them so much. they're heavy on our hearts. >> i certainly will. >> the memphis police department is scrapping its scorpion unit after the death of tyre nichols.
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as america reacts to the brutal video showing the beating of tyre nichols, president biden is calling on congress to act and pass the george floyd act, saying there's only so much he can do on the executive level. is the law enforcement community doing enough to police itself? joining us now is cnn's senior law enforcement analyst charles ramsey and cnn law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe.
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the memphis police department permanently deactivated this conserv scorpion unit. how common are these teams? >> they're pretty common, pam. i don't think the move to eradicate the scorpion unit in memphis necessarily means every other unit has to go. this one absolutely had to go. there's no way any citizen in memphis could have the requisite level of trust and faith in officered deployed under that banner having seen this video. my bigger concern is there could be systemic problems, problems of failures of leadership, training, toxic culture within that unit that go beyond the five officers we saw on the video. that is a problem that you see coming up in different similar units around the country. the best example i can think of is the baltimore gun crimes task force, another unit that had really legendary leadership and
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toxic culture issues. other departments would be well guided to review the performance of similar units to take steps to make sure that they don't have a unit with officers who are running amuck in the same way it did in memphis. >> i was asking ben crump about that, that the five officers fired were part of that unit, but there were other officers part of that unit that are still part of the memphis police department. he says, look, it's a culture issue. what do you do about that? the fact that this is a bigger issue than just these five officers who were on that unit. >> well, first of all, i agree with what andrew just said. there's no question that the scorpion unit had to go. but then to take and think that every specialized unit across the country needs to go is, in my opinion, not necessary at all. you have to have some flexibility in terms of your
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deployment of personnel. you need some officers that were not tied to the radio that you can actually beef up the deployment in areas that are experiencing higher levels of crime and so forth. but having said that, i think the most important thing is, one, there be a careful screening of officers looking for integrity issues and the same thing applies to supervisors assigned there, particularly to sergeants. you have to look at the span of control. in the average span of control and control is about eight to ten people. for a specialized unit like that, it should be about four or five at the most. that way, you can really start to monitor when complaints come in. you need to be taking a strong look at those complaints that are being made against those officers. you know, there is a subculture that exists within policing.
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i think the scorpion unit is an example of that. the gun trace task force is an example of that. the problem i have when people start talking about culture, they try to apply it to every police officer across the board and that's just not true. >> who would you call in the middle of the night if you have an attacker in your home? police officers often put their own lives in harm's way to protect others in the community. that doesn't mean there isn't a larger issue with subculture in police departments. both can be true at the same time. there is nuance to it in that way. i'm wondering, andrew, now that you've had time to reflect on this video, what questions do you have for the memphis pd and do you think the police chief should continue to serve in her role? >> well, i think, as we've been discussing, there are serious questions about the people who
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served in the scorpion unit. you can't indict them all or accuse them all of being like their colleagues who we saw on the video. but certainly you have enough of a concern now from having seen it that the entirety of that unit should be reviewed for the sorts of potential issues that chief ramsey and i have just been mentioning. as far as the police chief is concerned, you know, from my limited view, i mean, she's been very proactive in terms of responding to the acts of these officers by suspending them and, of course, firing them. and now, of course, we see a criminal prosecution going pretty quickly. all those acts are to her credit. the question is, what happens next? you have a strong issue here, potential issue across that unit and many other places in the department. i'd really like to see this police chief take those next steps, maybe bring in outsiders, possibly the department of
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former president trump is speaking in south carolina as he returns to the campaign trail. the former president appearing before a packed crowd at the south carolina state house and delivering a rambling speech jam-packed with his familiar brand of grievance politics. >> we're going to end the free
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rein of violent criminals in democrat run cities and keep dangerous repeat offenders locked up in jail. we're going to stop the left wing radical racists and perverts who are trying to indoctrinate our youth. >> lots of fact checks coming up, folks. this is the former president's second stop today. earlier he held an event in new hampshire where he assured supporters he's more committed and angrier than ever before. joining me is scott jennings. he has served as an advisor to mitch mcconnell and other republican elected officials. trump also took shots at florida governor ron desantis saying, quote, ron would not have been governor if it wasn't for me, so when i hear he might run, i consider that very disloyal. are you surprised to see him openly criticizing desantis this early? >> i'm not surprised. if you think back of the 2016 primary, he was taking shots at
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everybody in the race, even people at 1%. in the case of desantis, there are a lot of polls where desantis is ahead of trump. i'm not surprised. i expect him to come after desantis pretty hard. trump's the only person officially in the race, but it sure looks like desantis is going to run. the florida governor looks like the one who might have the reservoir of support among all corners of the party to beat donald trump in a primary. >> what do you make about this phone call with nikki haley calling him saying she wants to get in the race and feeling him out. he said, if that's what you feel in your heart, go for it. on one hand it really works to his advantage to have as many join the race as possible. >> yeah. a big field who actually stays in it through the voting helps donald trump. in 2016, he only got about 45% of the republican vote, but he won the nomination because of the winner take all system. you have to get the most votes
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in these states to get all the delegates. if he can get a big field that stays in it for far too long, it would advantage him or frankly anyone who carries a strong base but it's not a majority of the party. my anticipation is the field will be smaller this time and people will drop out earlier than last time. what you really need if you want to take out donald trump is get it down to a one-on-one match with someone people really like. right now it looks like desantis is that person. >> on that note, we've been seeing some interesting polling data out of those key early primary states. ron desantis coming in well ahead of trump in new hampshire. there are system numbers in south carolina. with numbers like that, is trump losing his title as the party's 2024 front runner? >> i think he is still probably the front runner if you take all
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the metrics into account, money, organization, a cadre of people dependent on him. there are no other candidates at the moment. you can't look that the polling if you're ron desantis and not be fully intrigued by where you stand. you've done nothing. yet you are right here in the driver's seat of the candidates who want to take on and maybe take out donald trump. i expect him to run and i think he's going to be quite popular. i've seen a lot of polling from around the country in different states. trump is still popular. desantis is just as popular, but he doesn't have nearly the amount of detractors inside the party that trump does. >> even just anecdotally in our home state of kentucky, there was a theme of folks who used to support trump saying i'd like to
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see ron desantis run. at the same time you've got to look at the reality here of what trump did the last time and what he's capable of doing again. there's an interesting piece in the freebie beacon, writing, on again trump's opponents think he will just disappear. no republican wants to attack him directly. but the only way to thwart him is to make voters choose someone else. at what point do his challengers start challenging him? even ron desantis hasn't really been doing that, doing direct engagement. >> i would say pretty soon you're going to see people start to take further steps. for the people who are not trump or desantis, one of the problems they have is figuring out is there any oxygen for me. trump and desantis take up the
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entire oxygen in the primary right now. everybody else is in the low single digits, even former vice president pence. i'm not sure it's as much trump keeping him out as it is desantis. at some point somebody's going to have to take him on and make republicans choose. i will say i think broadly across the american electorate in both parties there is a demand for new candidates, new blood, new jeopardgeneration of leadership. the party that chooses new is going to have a huge advantage than if the other party chooses old. democrats are going biden. let's pick somebody new and ride this thing and win it and put together a coalition that can carry the national popular vote. >> thank you. the san francisco superior court has released video and audio of the october attack on paul pelosi, the husband of then
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house speaker nancy pelosi. the disturbing footage includes police body cam video revealing the moment the suspect hit the 82-year-old with a hammer. >> what's going on, man? >> everything's good. hi. >> drop the hammer. >> nope. >> hey. >> what is going on right now? >> we also have audio recording of the 911 call where the operator sort of seemingly didn't catch onto who this was on the other line at first and then was able to detect that something serious was going on, it seems.
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>> reporter: yeah, pam. paul pelosi called 911 at some point after david depap breaks into his house. he gets a hold of 911 and he's having this conversation with dispatch and he's trying to keep this balance where he tells the dispatcher, look, there's someone in my house that i don't know, while also balancing the situation and being extremely careful because david depap is listening in. >> san francisco police, do you need help? >> the gentleman is just waiting for my wife to come back, nancy pelosi. he's just waiting for her to come back. she's not going to be here for a day, so i guess we'll have to wait. >> do you need police, fire or
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medical for anything? >> uh, i don't think so. i don't think so. >> is the capitol police around? >> no. >> they're usually here at the house protecting my wife. >> reporter: after that 911 call, police officers responded to the house here behind me. that's that body cam video that essentially takes you into the pelosi household. that's when you see the attack. even nancy pelosi saying she is not watching that video. now we will have to wait to see how that court process plays out. israel says it will deliver a strong, fast and accurate response to a deadly attack outside a synagogue. to where they're going. and at chevron, we're working to help reduce
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israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is calling for action this weekend after an eruption of deadly violence in jerusalem. hadas gold is following the latest. >> reporter: two shooting attacks rocked jerusalem this weekend just 15 hours apart in what israeli officials are calling one of the worst terrorist attacks in recent memory. saturday morning police say a 13-year-old palestinian boy shot and injured two men before being shot and injured himself. then the previous evening at a synagogue in northeast jerusalem, authorities say a 21-year-old palestinian began shooting worshippers as they left. >> this is a significant rise in the level of terror that we have seen and it marks aheinous
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attack on the sabbath day. >> reporter: coming the day after what became the deadliest day for palestinians in the west bank in over a year. an unusual daylight raid by the israeli military in the occupied west bank targeting members of the islamic jihad who they say were planning an imminent attack. the ensuing fire fight killing nine militants and also a woman in her 60s. >> she opened the window to look over to check what's going on. a bullet hit her here in her neck. the bullet hit the wall and the tv screen. >> reporter: the palestinian authority calling the raid a massacre, announcing they were receiving security coordinations with israel as a result. then rockets launched by militants in gaza toward israel, israel responding with air strikes. the last few days a major test for the recently installed government under israeli prime
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minister benjamin netanyahu under pressure from his right wing cabinet to respond with force. >> translator: i will bring to the cabinet additional measures to fight terrorism. this will include speeding up gun licensing for citizens. as we've seen time and time again this thing saves lives. >> reporter: international condemnations poured in including by president biden. one of the major issues secretary of state antony blinken will likely be talking about with his israeli counterparts will be that security coordination that the palestinian authority announced they were receiving on thursday with the israelis after that israeli military raid. this does govern civilian matters like permits, but also it involves intelligence
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we have only just started 2023 and already have had more mass shootings than days in the year. one critical factor being looked at more closely now is loneliness. senator chris murphy and surgeon general vivek murthy spoke about the crisis of gun violence in america. >> i'm wondering, do you see a link between the epidemic of loneliness and the problem america is facing with gun violence, senator? >> well, thanks for having this conversation with us. listen, i think there's no doubt that today there are more people that are feeling intensely lonely or alone than ever before. we've got to start looking at this as an issue that is solvable, in part by better public policy. there's no doubt that some of the people that carry out acts of violence are doing that from a place of loneliness.
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at the same time, we know there's really no link between mental illness and violence in the sense that people who are mentally ill or lonely are much more likely to be the victims of violence than perpetrators of violence. if you look especially at people who commit suicide, those are people who have had a break from their community who are feeling intensely lonely. there's no doubt if you do more to connect people with each other, you are likely to have a positive impact on the rates of violence in this country. you have to be careful to immediately equate loneliness with violence. there's not an automatic connection, but there is a connection and you will have less violence, particularly self-harm, suicides. >> one thing that's interesting about loneliness and deeply concerning is it's incredibly common. it is, in fact, more common among people who are younger. this is a little counter i intu
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intuitive, but it turns out they talk about some of the highest rates of loneliness. you look at surveys as well. it tells us young people are struggling. there is another point to keep in mind, which is that loneliness can manifest differently in different people. some may react by withdrawing. others may react to loneliness by developing resentment and by lashing out at others. it's very individual. i think it's important to remember that if we want to really get at the roots violence, while mental health is an important consideration, it is not the primary force driving violence in our country and we've got to recognize that. >> as rates of loneliness increase in younger people as you just heard from the u.s. surgeon general, how does increased screen time play a part in that? more next hour. new developments tonight in
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