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trails made it difficult to run on the prosthetic and missed the time cutoff at mile 26. >> i feel great. i missed the time cutoff. this is just as much of a success rather than a failure. if you can learn from it, you walk away a smarter person. i will absolutely be back. >> this is cnn breaking news. top of the hour. p poppy harlow here. police officials about to reveal the videotape. just a short time ago, charlotte's chief of police told a group of reporters they will indeed release dash camera video and body camera video captured by police cameras during the shooting death of scott on tuesday where police insisted
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scott had a gun in his hands and posed a threat to officers. i should note, scott's family said he did not have a gun. the police chief warning though the videos do not show that detail that is at the core of the dispute here. they say the videos do not answer all of the questions. >> the footage itself will not create in anyone's mind absolute certainty as to what this case represents and what the outcomes should be. the footage only supports all of the other information, physical evidence, the statements from witnesses and officers, and all of the other information. scientific and physical, that create the entire picture. so the video footage is insufficient. i've been very clear there. >> while the police chief was speaking, another rally on the vee streets of charlotte. people taking their frustration public since scott was shot and killed on tuesday. the residents and supporters of
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the charlotte african-american community and the reaction to the police department, all coming out in force and making their voices heard and discussing the fact that they want more details as it relates to the death of keith scott. let's go now to charlotte police headquarters where we find ed lavandera. he's been covering this story all week. any clarity on when we get these videos? the police chief said an hour ago they would come, very soon, within the half hour. still, nothing yet. >> reporter: still nothing yet. so i imagine the technical aspect of this up loading probably not all that ready to disseminate to the hundreds of news media organizations that are interested in seeing all of this. i imagine is what's taking so much time. but all indications we've been given by the governor of north carolina, the police chief just a short while ago the the video is indeed coming. we will obviously share that with our viewers as soon as it comes. but we should also point out it's apparently not all of the
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video. the police chief said it will be the video that is pertinent to the altercation, that confrontation with keith lamont scott and in the words of the police chief, he described it as the pertinent video from the beginning to the end of where the shots were fired. he says that a lot of the other video pertains to officers arriving on the scene. and that sort of thing. it sound like we will be seeing the confrontation between the officers that were serving the warrant in the apartment complex parking lot and keith lamont scott. >> ed, the other question that strikes me and frankly, everyone after we heard chief kerr putney speak last hour is why be selective these two cameras released, the dash camera video and body camera video but not all of the other camera angles that they have? he said those won't be released
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until the investigation is over. why do we know why that determination was made, not to put all of it out will? >> reporter: i suspect after listening to the police chief talk that these particular videos shown will be the videos that show the officers nearest to keith lamont scott, without seeing exactly what will be released, and how much of that confrontation we're going to see, leading up to it and then after the shooting, it's kind of hard to say, but a lot of times, and i can speak from other videos that we've obtained from other police departments around the country that a lot of times, what is shared might be an officer getting the call from several miles away and what the video shows is the officers driving to the scene. so again, a little bit of speculation here just based on other stories, other incidents that i've covered. a lot of times, those videos end
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up not being terribly tert innoce pertinent. so that's my guess at this point. we'll have to see exactly what they release, but obviously, from the police chief's standpoint, he believes what they have here at this point is that initial confrontation and that it is pertinent to the many questions that many people are anxious to see about what exactly happened between those officers and mr. scott. >> ed lavandera, the police department there for us in charlotte. ed, of course, will let us know as soon as we get the video prosecute police chief. thank you, ed. let's talk more about this with my panel. the police shooting of 43-year-old keith scott on tuesday. joining me now, tom fuentes, senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi senior director and laura koets, former federal prosecutor and assistant u.s. attorney with the civil rights division of the justice department and sheryl dorsey with the los angeles police
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department. to you, why the decision in your mind, you know, to not release all of the videos from your experience in law enforcement? would there be any reason not to put it out there and sort of have what is really a partial dissemination of fact? >> well, i believe that there's something on that video that may be unsettling, not only to the community, but possibly to the family if they were to see it in its entirety. so the more we hear about this, the more questions there are to be answered and at this point, i think that willed police depart almost in a lose-lose situation. whatever they lose at this point, it's suspect and maybe it's been doctored. >> cheryl, let me stop you there. why do you have cause to be there's something on the video? it sounds like the police wouldn't want the public to see because frankly, at some point, the public is going to see all of these videos because he said they'll release them all at the
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end of the investigations and the journalists will be filing freedom of information act request to put it out there and what causes you to believe there's something they don't want the public to see? >> because there's unrest and certainly, we don't want to see destruction or damage done and i think what's going to happen and kind of preparing for this because it's not definitive or not going to answer the questions that everybody is begging to be answered. and so we're going to be left at the end of the day with the same questions, whenever it's released, that we had at the onset of this thing and this police department will do what every police department does. throw buckets of money at the family, no substantive change in the way the officers do business and this will go on until we have the next keith scott or philando castile or sandra bland. that's why everybody is so frustrated. >> political commentator mark hill is here. and i think it's important to
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have this discussion in the broader context of race relations across the united states, and race relations in north carolina because these protesters are protesting the death of this man, yes, they'res a protealso protesting as we he from the head of the naacp today the broader issue and what she called "the systemic problem within north carolina" for african-americans. >> that's exactly right. we want to get to the bottom of this case and find out whether or not something unjust has happened and the delays and the lack of transparency, is itself a problem. and it creates the sense there could be something here, a sense of distrust between the community and the law enforcement agencies. but also speaks to a broader problem as you point out that people are saying that there is a question about whether or not black bodies themselves are inherently violent in the mind of some law enforcement officers. this is the problem when a black person walks down the street with or without a gun, deserving
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of lethal force. that's an issue in charlotte and around the country that we play over and over again. and the questions we have about violence against black bodies, male and female, something that plays out in other sectors of our lives as long as we see people not as fully human, it's difficult for them not to have full access. just treated safely with dignity but in the job realm in terms of housing and education. the deeper issues of racism and white supremacy here. >> obviously, the cases are completely different but ferguson, for example, and you look at what has transpired since then, the police chief here is black, lamont hill, something not been broadly discussed. is that, does that matter in all of this as people look at this through the lens of race? >> it shouldn't matter. there's a question here about how black bodies are treated by law enforcement. if black people happen to be
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agents of the institutions or happen to be leaders of the institutions, look at sheriff in milwaukee, you could have the same mentality as the most vicious white supremacist. in fact, you are at the level of how you perform if you believe that black bodies are inferior and worthy of lethal force. i'm not interested in the officer being black or the chief being black or the president being black if justice doesn't look equal for everybody. we didn't march and fight and struggle to get beaten by black officers but everyone would have an equal shot of being treated with dignity by a human being. >> laura, from a legal perspective, any legal ground that the city of charlotte has to stand on to not put all of the videos out there? obviously, come october 1st when the law is enacted that allows them not to release this video, that's one thing but this is prior to that. what legal ground are they standing on to keep a lot of this video to themselves? >> they're standing on the ground of precedence, how
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they've operated up until now. they've treated police videos and dash cam and body cam videos part of a personnel file. they've treated it like a medical record or a complaint against an officer or otherwise, private employment related hr file. and the reason why this is problematic is because, of course, these are part of a public investigation of a death. they would be released as a record in terms of evidence in a court of law, so it's personnel record and able to last this long. but remember, this october 1st law is a way of standardizing how these are actually going to be distributed. and against the purview of a judge but the videos, so surprising, are not released in totality for the reasons that the chief has said, kind of unbeknownst to everyone but he did. one confession of the chief, i've been critical and one confession, he mentioned at his press conference that the reason he didn't want to show what he called pertinent information was
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because the people executing the search warrant were part of a squad that was going to be charged and they were under cover in sop capacity and may have security issue of being fully exposed. that was his recall of the reason. so perhaps, that is one of his decisions, and maybe that's it. a judge would probably not be willing to release that part of the footage. >> i think that's a really important point to make that we haven't broadly discussed since the press conference. i'm glad you made it, laura. thank you. tom, if you had the ear of the charlotte police chief, chief kerr putney, what's the number one thing you would tell him to do? >> i would say try to find out technically what's the problem here. they've already agreed to put that video out. why isn't it out? we've been talking about this all day. are they having technical problems, need some assistance in figuring out how to get it on the internet so people can access it? so that would be one of the
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first things and laura's point, that might be true these other videos show officers that are under cover and don't want identities know but he didn't refer to that as a reason. he said, heir nthey're not partl this and if they're not sensitive from protecting the officer's identity standpoint, they should have been released first, not last. i think the problem now is that no matter what he says, it's going to be questioned. >> tom fuentes, thank you very much. cheryl dorsey. we're awaiting the video to be released from the charlotte police department at any moment and at this hour, the north carolina speaker of the house will join me live. stay with us. you're in the "cnn newsroom."
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breaking news coverage out of charlotte, north carolina, the head of charlotte's police department said he will now indeed release, quote, facts, footage, and an explanation of where we stand today relative to the investigation. the investigation into the shooting death of 43-year-old keith scott. chief kerr putney will make the shooting public but not all will be released. just two specific videos. north carolina house speake tim moore on the phone with me. i know you have not viewed this video, so we will all be seeing it for the first time at any moment as soon as it is released. any idea what the hang-up is, why it hasn't been released yet? it's been more than an hour now and they said they'd release it quite a while ago today. >> good evening, poppy. certainly do not know what the delay would be at this point, but i do believe that the public has a right to know and to see
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the video. and some of your commentators earlier were talking about the knew all was past this general assembly that created a mechanism for this information that's no longer treated as part of the personnel file and the decisions are taken away from politicians, police chiefs, et cetera, and there's actually a better process to ensure this is released but not going in effect until october 1st. >> do you believe that it is a correct decision or do you disagree with the decision by the police chief not to release all of those videos? they'll release two vantage points. the ones he said, are frankly, the most visually compelling, visually show what transpired. why not put them all out there? >> i don't have all of the information that the police chief does and i certainly don't want to try to second guess him. i know they've had a difficult time dealing with some of the
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violence that's erupted recently but i would say as a general rule, i believe the best thing is to get everything out there. and that the more transparency there is, the better. >> so you are saying you'd like to see them all released, if it were up to you, you'd release all the videos at once. >> absolutely. if it were up to me, i would release all of it as soon as possible and it sounds like the family has had an opportunity to see the videos and of course, one would be concerned about the privacy rights, but with the family members asking it be released and i believe the information is there's nothing to inhibit the investigation. hopefully the videos could be released sooner rather than later. >> i want to talk about the bigger context and what your state is experiencing as a whole. the head of the naacp and charlotte came out today earlier at a press conference and spoke about the fact that these protests, these voices are being
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raised now because of what she called systemic injustice against many african-americans within the state. if you look at the broader context of what happened as those voter id laws were struck down by the fourth circuit court there in north carolina and in the opinions, the judge called them a targeting of african-americans with almost surgical precision. talk to me about the challenge in terms of race relations in your state right now. >> i certainly think it's unfortunate with those on the left who want to try to politicize the tragedy like we have had in charlotte. we have a citizen who's dead. we have another citizen who was killed during the protest and actually, i would call that more of a riot, frankly. we had all sorts of property damage occurring, physical injury and someone dying as a result of it. it escalated so much that our governor had to call in the national guard and the highway
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patrol to help the charlotte mecklenburg police department to bring to order. i certainly support the right to protest. i think freedom of speech is a hallmark but when you have folks going out and committing damage and killed, that's not protest. what we've shown as far as folks of north carolina is that free force of the arrest had to do with people not from north carolina. >> okay, but the question i'm asking, speaker, is a question about race relations in your state as a whole. you said you feel people on the left are politicizing the death of keith scott. what i'm saying is that the head of the naacp in charlotte said we, as african-americans in this community have been dealing with systemic injustice and she pointed to a number of things including those voter id laws that were struck down by the fourth circuit in a ruling with incredibly strong language saying the provisions targeted african-americans in your state
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with surgical precision. are you saying there is not work to be done on race relations? >> well, there's certainly to be work done anytime with situations like this, race relations but those on the left trying to draw a correlation between this and common sense voter safe law makes no sense. you know, our voter id law is similar to that of indiana and other sates that have been upheld by the courts. but we have what i would say has been an act of judiciary that's disagreed, the federal district court actually upheld our law when it came to the redistricting lawsuit, the obama cleared our redistrictsiing but the fourth circuit that's taken a hard left has gone in a different direction but i come back to the other issue, certainly, can relations be improved, absolutely, across the entire country.
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it's unfortunate we've seen the distinction drawn between race and law enforcement. at the end of the day, every person should abide by the law regardless of race. and we need to try to work together. all these demonizing and name calling doesn't help. try to create and whip up problems that don't need to be there. i'll point out within the state, most folks, we've had great conversation on these issues, but it's been unfortunate that what we've seen in charlotte with some of the violence and certainly my prayers for the people of charlotte and that we get past this and start a dialogue with some of the bad things that have happened. >> the protest we saw in charlotte on wednesday night, yes, did get violent and vandalism on thursday night and friday night. they were largely peaceful. let me ask you this before i let you go, speaker, what is your message to african-americans living in your state who are demanding change, who feel like they have been living this injustice? what is your message to them?
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>> certainly. my message to african-americans and anyone else is that i want everyone in this state to have the same opportunity as every citizen. we need to make sure that we right any wrongs of the current when it comes to policies ado adopted that everyone feels included and that's something we have strived hard to do. and frankly, i hope folks will stop looking at each other as black or white or republican or democrat or pro-law enforcement or anti-law enforcement. we're all americans. and we don't need to destroy ourselves from within. we need to try to get along. >> speaker tim moore, i appreciate you joining me tonight. of course, everyone wishes for peace and peaceful demonstration in your city as we saw last night. thank you for your time. coming up next, we return to politics and arguably the biggest showdown of the election
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i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> equipped for ronald reagan, tailor made for a modern debate. even his opponent couldn't help but laugh a little. one of many debate moments we remember long after the debate ends and landing a one liner like that could be key for donald trump and hillary clinton come monday night. just consider this number. up to 100 million people are
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expected to watch this first debate at 9:00 p.m. on cnn. brian stelter with me. those one line zingers are key, right? amid all the substance, all of that. it's what people walk away remembering. especially in the day and age of social media. >> zingers and then on top of that, moments crafted by these candidates to reinforce the messages of our campaigns. that's what this debate's about and it will all be said in the first 15 minutes. president obama was said to lose the first debate of 2012 in the first 15 minutes. already writers declaring romney the winner early on. so the first act of the debate. the first comment they make is is the tone for the night. >> sometimes, it can be actions, not words. like when al gore walked up and bush nodded and said all right, carried on. going back to 1988, vice president dan quayle and nixon.
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>> senator, i serve jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> moments like that. >> and this year is bigger. that debate was watched by about 60 million americans. on monday, tv connectivkic exec possibly 100 million people. the super bowl has about 115 million viewers every year. nothing else in america comes close. 100 million american adults watch this and many more around the world, there's only 225 million eligible voters in the country. and the million that don't watch will see the highlights the next d day. >> or watch on social media. following it along. >> see the zingers. and that's key for us. be careful in our coverage about expectations that are set for both candidates. >> let's play the clip, guys,
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from the gore vs. bush debate because no words were exchanged here but this action really said a lot. i don't have it but i think america will remember when al gore walked away. >> it was like wandering around, trying to get in bush's face. >> portman, senator portman, preparing bush for it said this might happen and prepared him for it which is interesting. so he was ready when al gore did it but what is different this time is the gender dynamic. rick made the mistake of his campaign in 2000 running against hillary clinton for senate in new york when he approached her and put this piece of legislation in front of her and said, sign it. make this good on your word and made him like an aggressive man against a woman. how does the gender? >> this is one of the reasons clinton is practicing so much for the debate. trump's campaign has been less clear how much practice is happening, whether he's doing mock debates or not but fair to
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say, both candidates know how important it is the debates are. they might try to lower expectations or raise them for the opponent. hillary clinton has been in her home, in a special location where she can rehearse. >> does donald trump have to approach her differently than a male competitor? >> i think he does. you know, whether we want to believe that we're all past these issues between men and women in the u.s., believe there's full equality, the reality is there's complex dynamics between men and women, especially in politics and corporate life and the main arenas of america. and i think donald trump has to acknowledge that, has to recognize that and i'm sure he does. he's a very smart man, a very smart television performer. he knows how to play for the cameras and that's one of the challenges for clinton. on the flip side though, half the audience is female and will
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be paying attention to the body cues and treatment of the first female nominee and in the viewers' minds at home. >> thank you. much more from brian. his show "reliable sources." much more live from hofstra university in just a moment. this is cnn special live coverage. we'll be right back. every comes withd pre-owned a 161-point inspection, 24/7 roadside assistance plan, 2 years or 20,000 miles of complimentary maintenance, an unlimited mileage warranty up to 6 years, and the confidence
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we're back with our breaking news out of charlotte, north carolina. i want to go straight to our reporter, mnick valencia, on th
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ground. they released the video of they have of keith scott being killed. you watched the video? >> reporter: i did. body cam and dash cam. by the the charlotte mecklenburg police department. first is a minute and the second is two minutes. we're currently going over it right now to see if there's any profanity and be responsible how we show this video on cnn, but attached to this link is also a series of three photos which appears to show a colt mustang semiautomatic handgun according to cnn security team on the ground who took a look at the photos. these guns are usually holding about 6 rounds and according to our security team that saw the photos are very sconcealable handgun. the video is not distinctive yet and cannot clearly see a gun in mr. scott's hands but you do see
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this is the first time we've seen police video emerge from the fatal encounter tuesday afternoon, the police shooting and killing keith scott because he refused to comply with the man to drop a weapon and said he was unarmed during the shooting but these photos appear to indicate the handgun that was recovered as well from the scene. a colt mustang 380 semiautomatic handgun found on mr. scott's person. poppy? >> two questions for you, nick. one, are police confirming that is the type of handgun or just according to cnn's law enforcement experts? >> reporter: that's just according to cnn's law enforcement experts. somebody well trained with firearms and has experience and knowledge of firearms. he's standing next to me shaking his head this is the type of weapon that he sees and he has looked at the photos very explicitly. >> here's my other question,
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nick. where in the video did it show the gun? do you see the gun in mr. scott's hand? do you see it on the ground? do you see it in the car? where is the gun? >> reporter: you don't really see the gun to be honest, poppy. you don't see the gun at all. it's very difficult. the video is a little bit shaky to start out with. that first clip that we just saw right now and again, i'm just viewing this within the last minute as i'm on the phone with you. my producer is pulling it up back for me to see it again. it's not clear if mr. scott is off to the camera in the dash cam video. saying camera left away from the pick-up truck and see an officer in a vest wearing a red shirt at the passenger side window of the car, we believe to be mr. scott's pickup truck and you see mr. scott outside walking backwards and then shot by police officers and he falls to the ground. the police officers then defend
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on to, well, descend on mr. scott as he's on the ground, patting him down and that's what the dash cam shows from our perspective. >> okay. so what, when did you see a gun that you're describing as a colt mustang handgun? where was that gun seen? >> well, we've seen it in photos. seen it just off to the left leg of mr. scott but in this video as the police chief has indicated, it's not distinctive. you can't distinctly see it's a weapon but to be clear about it, this is a very small handgun. you can't explicitly see he has a weapon in his hand. this body cam footage is pretty shaky as well. you could see mr. scott is wearing a black t-shirt on the ground here in the video i'm looking at right now.
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he's having his hands put behind his back. one of his hands, his left hand appears to show blood on the fingers as he's being restrained by officers lying on the ground. but the gun clearly, you can't, i can't see it, poppy. >> you said, nick, that what you viewed in one of the videos was mr. scott walking backwards towards his vehicle. is that correct? >> reporter: that's right. he was appeared to be walking backwards as he was shot. he did make a motion right before he was shot by police but he was slowly walking backwards as that gunfire started. >> what kind of motion? a motion with his arms? a motion -- >> reporter: we're looking at it again. i'm sorry our viewers have to bear it with us but we want to be careful how we describe it. we want to be accurate about it.
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i'm viewing this again. the officer is on the passenger side of the pickup truck. mr. scott at this point appears to be out of his car. the audio is low on this. you can't hear. now he's out of his car walking away from the officers, again, walking backwards as he's gunned down by cops. >> nick? does it appear that mr. scott is retreating from police when he is shot? >> reporter: we have the audio up on this now, poppy, and you could hear clearly the orders from police officers, multiple orders from police officers for him to drop his weapon. he's a little bit off camera and then he comes into frame. the cops are still giving orders to drop the gun.
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and as i'm watching this, he gets out of his car, he's walking backwards, walking backwards, and then shots are fired, multiple shots. i don't know if that jerking motion was a result of him being shot or if it was something that he did right before he was shot. it happens very quickly, just before 3:51 p.m. on tuesday. >> nick, i think this is what's really important because it goes back to what the police chief kerr putney said and that is, he said what we are releasing are the objective facts but no single piece of evidence that proves all of the complexities in this case. >> reporter: and that's a terrific point, poppy. you know, i want to highlight and underscore what we heard from an official with the paternal order of police who have seen these same videos we're watching. it was his interpretation that mr. scott made an obvious threat
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towards police which i've been reporting, they say, cost his life from me watching this videotape, and i want to be very clear when i say this, it doesn't appear that an obvious threat was made towards police officers. this, of course, is a better question to be asked to law enforcement, to police who have had training in these types of situations, but from us watching this video, mr. scott is walking backwards as he is shot by police. >> nick, thank you for the reporting. please stay with me because i do want to bring in our panel and as i do, i want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm poppy harlow joining you on this breaking news in charlotte, north carolina, in the shooting death of keith scott. tom fuentes is with me, a law enforcement analyst and assistant director and laura koets, a former federal
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prosecutor and civil rights attorney in the department and cheryl dorsey, a retired sergeant with the los angeles police department. political commentator, mark lamont hill is also with us. we just heard tom fuentes, what nick described and he said from the two vantage points that the public is being given with the video that we are working to clear and to put on our air so everyone can see it, he says that what he does not see a clear threat made or approach of the officers by mr. scott. however, the problem is that we don't have all the vantage points. we only have two videos and there are more videos and more vantage points that the police department has that they are not releasing at this point in time. how difficult does that make getting to the bottom of this and for the public to fully understand given that the police said he did make a threat that caused police to believe that their life was in danger and therefore, caused them to shoot and kill mr. scott?
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>> well, we may never have a clear vantage point that shows where that gun is at the time the police opened fire on him, so, you know, if that gun is in his hand and if they're screaming at him as you hear on the other, the wife's video, 9, 10 times you could hear the police screaming drop the gun, drop the gun, if they see that gun in his hand, we can't see, not only can't see the gun in his hand but the angle of the gun is completely important because let's say that he starts off and he's holding the gun in his hands and it's pointed towards the ground. even though he may be back pedaling, he could raise that gun to be parallel to the ground and point at officers in a split second and even though he's going backwards, the bullets will come out of the gun going forward to police. so that's a critical point to know exactly where the gun is pointed at, the point of aim is and try to figure, why isn't he dropping it, if in fact they're
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yelling at him to sheryl, to you. we were told by the police department, they said on twitter the video they're releasing will be accompanied my new details of what led officers to approach him in the first time. will there ever be full knowledge without seeing more of these vantage points? >> i don't think we will get full satisfaction because we have been told over and over again there is no definitive evidence gleaned from this video. i'm waiting to hear, the investigation will determine based on how the officers articulate what caused them to use deadly force. if he is doing something,
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brandishing, waving the gun, pointing the gun, it's appropriate. if he is not, then it's not appropriate. let's not get caught up in the details that he had a gun, unless they're able to articulate why the use of force was reasonable than the use of force will be problematic. >> okay, laura, two you, we're just getting images from the charlotte police department. there are photos of a gun, a marijuana cigarette, and of a ankle holster that they say he had on him at the time of his fatal shooting on tuesday. you heard nick valencia say that
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he cannot see a gun in the videos, meaning it is just not clear. legally when they're trying to determine whether use of lethal force was justified or not, how difficult does it make that case if a gun is not visible, but they have photos of the gun. >> what is is if there is eyewitness testimony. we're all peopresuming it is th officers that have given testimony or other officers. i did see one of the body cam videos, and i have to aagree and i did not -- i could not see from that particular vantage point, the use of a weapon. i did hear the wife in the
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background, that tracks what she was saying, and i did hear the officers trying to administer aid to mr. scott, but the prosecutor says look, i need to have testimony here. seeing is believing but there is obvious gaps here. one of the things you always ask a jury in any trial is whether or not they will hold an officer statement to be more credible than a civilian. if all we're relying on is an officer statement, while we may be critical or suspicious, jurors are overwhelmingly trusting of officers in the courtroom pip would like to know what other civilian testimony may there be that would show a vantage point that the officers could give or were not able to
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give. >> mark lamont-hill to you -- first, these are three images we have just received from the charlotte police department. they show the pictures show one, a marijuana cigarette they say was retrieved from the vehicle. let's go to the next one, guys. the next photo shows a handgun they say was found at the scene. and then the third one is an ankle holster that would hold the gun. mark lamont hill, these are images just released and the video does not clearly show a gun. every night protestors have been out in charlotte asking for transparency and answers. the police chief said we'll release the video, but no single
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piece of evidence solves the complexities of the case. >> well, i'm glad you pointed out there was as many questions now as there was before. initially the claims of the police department were that once we saw the video we would have no doubt that the shooting was legal and warranted. the public said let us know, show us the video. and now when forced to send the video into the world, they say you can't really believe the video because it's not as clear as you think. a law enforcement officer has a split second to make a decision. we have to think about the full context, but it is curious they release these at the same time. they are somewhat vulnerable here. you get distractions like a marijuana cigarette.
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i can't think any time in the world when smoking a blunt makes someone want to attack an officer. it's an open carry state, so holding a gun or a holster is not illegal. we need the full context. i don't want the public to be distracted into thinking that because someone had weed and a gun in an open carry state that they're death eligible or deserving to die. guys, stand by, we just got this press release, and i'm going to read it to you in full, it's long but the totality is very important as we continue to report this breaking news. this release from the police department reads there have been numerous unconfirmed reports in this case. the they have provided the
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following case update for the factual information of the. two plain closed officers were sitting in a unmarked vehicle ready to serve a search warrant. the officers observed the driver, later identified as mr. keith lamont scott rolling what they believed to be a marijuana blunt. they did not consider it to be a priority at the time and they resumed the warrant operation. a short time later, officer vincent observed mr. scott holding a gun up. because of that they had probably cause to arrest him for the drug violation and to investigation mr. scott being in possession of the gun. due to the combination of the drugs and the gun in his possession, they decided to take enforcement action for public safety concerns. they departed the immediate area to outfit themselves with marked
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duty vests and equipment to clearly identify themselves as police. they witnessed mr. scott in possession of a gun, they immediately identified themselves as police officers and gave clear, loud, and repeated verbal commands to drop the kbun. he refused to follow the repeated commands. a uniformed officer arrived to assist officers. he used it to tray and breech the vehicle window. they backed away from the vehicle while continuing to ignore officers repeated loud verbal commands to drop the gun. they perceived his actions and monuments as a imminent threat to himself and the other officers if officer vincent fired his issued service weapon
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strikes mr. scott. they immediately rendered first aide and requested medic to come to the scene. they interviewed multiple independent civilian witnesses at the scene and police headquarters. they confirmed that officers gave numerous loud verbal commands and confirmed that at no time did he comply with their commands. a lab analysis revealed the presence of mr. scotts dna and fingerprints on the gun. it was also determined the gun he possessed was loaded at the time of the encounter with the officers, and the investigation revealed he was wearing an ankle holster at the time of the event. they released the video, nick, are you still with me.
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nick, we still have not released the video. walk us through what stands out to glow that video. i just read the lengthy release from the charlotte police department. >> that release also included a narrative of what they say happened. in the videos, we see a video from a body camera of one of the officers. it's not clear that mr. scott has a give up. the dash cam video has a wider perspective. in it you see an officer behind a truck. it appears he has something in his hands, but you can't make out clearly it is a gun. it is just in a matter of seconds while police have their guns trained on mr. scott, giving him verbal