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hello it is paddy in the studio. laura in the studio. find hello it is paddy in the studio. laura in the studio. and henry at home. michael— laura in the studio. and henry at home. michael gove _ laura in the studio. and henry at home. michael gove on - laura in the studio. and henry at home. michael gove on the - laura in the studio. and henry at home. michael gove on the fronti laura in the studio. and henry at i home. michael gove on the front of the ft. michael— home. michael gove on the front of the ft. michael gove _ home. michael gove on the front of the ft. michael gove said - home. michael gove on the front of the ft. michael gove said in - home. michael gove on the front of the ft. michael gove said in the - the ft. michael gove said in the sunday times that young people are being stitched up by the housing crisis. he being stitched up by the housing crisis. . , ., crisis. he did and he said young --eole crisis. he did and he said young peeple might — crisis. he did and he said young people might lose _ crisis. he did and he said young people might lose faith - crisis. he did and he said young people might lose faith in - crisis. he did and he said young - people might lose faith in democracy if they don't get the houses they need. as you have already alluded to, for somebody who has been in government for m years with a bomb on the seat of the cabinet table, it is a curious thing to be pointing the finger in this way that somehow this is a terrible, terrible problem and now it must be turn two. whereas people who study the housing market, you can pick up any statistics under the sun to show the issue has become more and more and more acute under 14 more and more and more acute under 1a years of conservative government.

there is a weird element to michael gove trying to make like a bystander. the back story is what he's trying to do is persuade other people and government to make sure the legislation he wants to pass goes through and he wants more money for housing in the budget. if you are being scurrilous, you might suggest there are lots of different motivations here? i suggest there are lots of different motivations here?— motivations here? i think if you talk to anyone _ motivations here? i think if you talk to anyone around - motivations here? i think if you talk to anyone around michaell motivations here? i think if you - talk to anyone around michael gove it is clear— talk to anyone around michael gove it is clear he has kind of got religion _ it is clear he has kind of got religion on housing and its importance. notjust to religion on housing and its importance. not just to the conservative party, his problem with young _ conservative party, his problem with young voters seems to be more acute than it— young voters seems to be more acute than it ever— young voters seems to be more acute than it ever has been, but also to society _ than it ever has been, but also to society it — than it ever has been, but also to society it is _ than it ever has been, but also to society. it is incredibly stark thing — society. it is incredibly stark thing for— society. it is incredibly stark thing for any cabinet minister to say, _ thing for any cabinet minister to say, you — thing for any cabinet minister to say, you know, their particular policy— say, you know, their particular policy area _ say, you know, their particular policy area risks, if it is not done properly. — policy area risks, if it is not done properly, meaning that people turn away from — properly, meaning that people turn away from democracy and towards authoritarianism. but there are a lot of—

authoritarianism. but there are a lot of politicians, conservative and other— lot of politicians, conservative and other parties, who fear the intergenerational contract is breaking down when you have overwhelmingly middle—aged and older people _ overwhelmingly middle—aged and older people who are owner occupiers in this country— people who are owner occupiers in this country and overwhelmingly young, — this country and overwhelmingly young, which is not necessarily that young, _ young, which is not necessarily that young, we're not talking 27—year—olds now, people substantially odour you cannot get onto the _ substantially odour you cannot get onto the housing market so they feel they dont— onto the housing market so they feel they don't have any stake in society _ they don't have any stake in socie . �* .,, they don't have any stake in socie . . , ., ., society. and those people who are older and built _ society. and those people who are older and built their _ society. and those people who are older and built their wealth - older and built their wealth themselves, we are not having a knock. congratulations. i bought my first house at 25 and the multiply of my salary was three and i went to the same house, the same front door and the multiplayer to buy the house now is ten times. and that is a good illustration of what has happened across the piece. the numbers are really, really start, the graphs go the wrong way with a knock on effect, huge increase in evictions and huge increase in the number of people in temporary accommodation.

more than a million people, a million people on the list for social housing, what we would have called council housing in the old days when things were more simple and there was no housing association and there was no housing association and also to people on the market. so michael gove said he is ready to make housing at the top of the list, but we asked him about some of the specifics. in 2019, the tories promised to ban what are called no false eviction. if you do nothing wrong as a tenant, pay your bills on time, currently as it stands your landlord can still get you out. in 2019 they made a promise, it still hasn't happened yet. is he now sure it will happen before the next election? he promised in 2019 in your manifesto you are going to get rid of what is called section 21, where landlords can evict tenants for no reason. it hasn't happened yet, can you guarantee the 11 million renters in this country you will end this before the general election? yes. in this country you will end this before the general election? yes, we have a bill, —

before the general election? yes, we have a bill, it — before the general election? yes, we have a bill, it has _ before the general election? yes, we have a bill, it has gone _ before the general election? yes, we have a bill, it has gone through - before the general election? yes, we have a bill, it has gone through it - have a bill, it has gone through it stages _ have a bill, it has gone through it stages in — have a bill, it has gone through it stages in the _ have a bill, it has gone through it stages in the house _ have a bill, it has gone through it stages in the house of— have a bill, it has gone through it stages in the house of commons| have a bill, it has gone through it - stages in the house of commons and that builder— stages in the house of commons and that builder is — stages in the house of commons and that builder is a _ stages in the house of commons and that builder is a number— stages in the house of commons and that builder is a number of— stages in the house of commons and that builder is a number of things - that builder is a number of things to help _ that builder is a number of things to help people _ that builder is a number of things to help people in— that builder is a number of things to help people in the _ that builder is a number of things to help people in the private - that builder is a number of things . to help people in the private rented sector, _ to help people in the private rented sector, including _ to help people in the private rented sector, including ending _ to help people in the private rented sector, including ending no—fault. sector, including ending no—fault evictions — sector, including ending no—fault evictions why— sector, including ending no—fault evictions. why does _ sector, including ending no—fault evictions. why does that - sector, including ending no—fault| evictions. why does that matter? there _ evictions. why does that matter? there are — evictions. why does that matter? there are a — evictions. why does that matter? there are a small— evictions. why does that matter? there are a small minority - evictions. why does that matter? there are a small minority of - there are a small minority of unscrupulous _ there are a small minority of unscrupulous landlords - there are a small minority of unscrupulous landlords who. there are a small minority of i unscrupulous landlords who use there are a small minority of - unscrupulous landlords who use the threat _ unscrupulous landlords who use the threat of _ unscrupulous landlords who use the threat of eviction _ unscrupulous landlords who use the threat of eviction either _ unscrupulous landlords who use the threat of eviction either to - unscrupulous landlords who use the threat of eviction either to jack - unscrupulous landlords who use the threat of eviction either to jack up l threat of eviction either to jack up the rents. — threat of eviction either to jack up the rents. or— threat of eviction either to jack up the rents, orto_ threat of eviction either to jack up the rents, or to silence _ threat of eviction either to jack up the rents, or to silence people - threat of eviction either to jack up. the rents, or to silence people who are complaining _ the rents, or to silence people who are complaining about— the rents, or to silence people who are complaining about the - the rents, or to silence people who are complaining about the quality. the rents, or to silence people whoi are complaining about the quality of their homes — are complaining about the quality of their homes it _ are complaining about the quality of their homes. it is _ are complaining about the quality of their homes. it is important - are complaining about the quality of their homes. it is important we - are complaining about the quality ofj their homes. it is important we deal with that _ their homes. it is important we deal with that if— their homes. it is important we deal with that if use _ their homes. it is important we deal with that if use because _ their homes. it is important we deal with that if use because the - their homes. it is important we deal with that if use because the vast - with that if use because the vast majority— with that if use because the vast majority of— with that if use because the vast majority of landlords— with that if use because the vast majority of landlords do - with that if use because the vast majority of landlords do a - with that if use because the vast majority of landlords do a greatl with that if use because the vast i majority of landlords do a great job and you _ majority of landlords do a great job and you need — majority of landlords do a great job and you need a _ majority of landlords do a great job and you need a healthy— majority of landlords do a great job and you need a healthy private - and you need a healthy private rental — and you need a healthy private rental sector— and you need a healthy private rental sector as _ and you need a healthy private rental sector as part— and you need a healthy private rental sector as part of- and you need a healthy private rental sector as part of a - and you need a healthy private . rental sector as part of a balanced housing _ rental sector as part of a balanced housing economy _ rental sector as part of a balanced housing economy. you— rental sector as part of a balanced housing economy.— rental sector as part of a balanced housing economy. you are explicitly sa in: this housing economy. you are explicitly saying this morning _ housing economy. you are explicitly saying this morning that _ housing economy. you are explicitly saying this morning that practice - saying this morning that practice will be banned, it will not be allowed to happen before the next general election? that allowed to happen before the next general election?— general election? that is what it sa s on general election? that is what it says on the _ general election? that is what it says on the bill, _ general election? that is what it says on the bill, the _ general election? that is what it says on the bill, the bill- general election? that is what it says on the bill, the bill and - says on the bill, the bill and section— says on the bill, the bill and section 21~_ says on the bill, the bill and section 21-— says on the bill, the bill and section 21. ., , , i. ., says on the bill, the bill and section 21. ., , , ., section 21. previously you have said the courts might _ section 21. previously you have said the courts might not _ section 21. previously you have said the courts might not be _ section 21. previously you have said the courts might not be able - section 21. previously you have said the courts might not be able to - section 21. previously you have said| the courts might not be able to cope so you might bring in the new law, but it might still happen because the cuts are not ready. just to be explicit, will this practice have ended by the time of the next general election? 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ended by the time of the next general election?— ended by the time of the next general election? we will have outlawed it _ general election? we will have outlawed it and _ general election? we will have outlawed it and we _ general election? we will have outlawed it and we will - general election? we will have outlawed it and we will put - general election? we will have outlawed it and we will put the money — outlawed it and we will put the money into _ outlawed it and we will put the money into the _ outlawed it and we will put the money into the courts - outlawed it and we will put the money into the courts in - outlawed it and we will put the money into the courts in order| outlawed it and we will put the . money into the courts in order to ensure _ money into the courts in order to ensure they— money into the courts in order to ensure they can _ money into the courts in order to ensure they can enforce - money into the courts in order to ensure they can enforce it. - money into the courts in order to ensure they can enforce it. ok. l money into the courts in order to ensure they can enforce it. ok. the reason i ensure they can enforce it. ok. the reason i was _ ensure they can enforce it. ok. the reason i was pushing _ ensure they can enforce it. ok. the reason i was pushing him _ ensure they can enforce it. ok. the reason i was pushing him to - ensure they can enforce it. ok. the reason i was pushing him to be - ensure they can enforce it. ok. the reason i was pushing him to be so i reason i was pushing him to be so explicit, there have been tory mps who have been dragging their feet on this issue. there is this, i don't want to say conspiracy theory but some housing campaigners believe there are tory mps who are landlords who have been dragging their feet mps who are landlords who have been dragging theirfeet on mps who are landlords who have been dragging their feet on this legislation. that is the question, evenif legislation. that is the question, even if it is in place, the government said we can pass the law but we don't know when it will come into force, but there michael gove is going further than he has done previously to give his absolute guarantee it will happen in both regards. i guarantee it will happen in both retards. , ., regards. i can upgrade the conspiracy _ regards. i can upgrade the conspiracy theory, - regards. i can upgrade the conspiracy theory, or - regards. i can upgrade the - conspiracy theory, or whatever conspiracy theory, orwhatever theory— conspiracy theory, orwhatever theory it— conspiracy theory, orwhatever theory it may be. i have notjust heard _ theory it may be. i have notjust heard it — theory it may be. i have notjust heard it from housing campaigners, but conservative mps and ministers who are _ but conservative mps and ministers who are desperate for this bill to pass— who are desperate for this bill to pass and — who are desperate for this bill to pass and believed their own colleagues and the government are dragging _ colleagues and the government are dragging their heels because some of them have _ dragging their heels because some of them have property interests. i am

not commenting on whether that is legitimate — not commenting on whether that is legitimate or not, but that is the level— legitimate or not, but that is the level of— legitimate or not, but that is the level of person i have heard... hang on, the level of person i have heard... hang on. the thing _ level of person i have heard... hang on, the thing that _ level of person i have heard... hang on, the thing that would _ level of person i have heard... hang on, the thing that would put the screw on a landlord is being resisted by landlord mps, that is what we are saying on newscast? that is what moore — what we are saying on newscast? that is what moore empties than ministers say. is what moore empties than ministers sa . . , is what moore empties than ministers sa . ., , ., , ., is what moore empties than ministers sa. ., , ._ ., say. that is really going to annoy generation _ say. that is really going to annoy generation rent. _ say. that is really going to annoy generation rent. there _ say. that is really going to annoy generation rent. there is- say. that is really going to annoy generation rent. there is a - generation rent. there is a programme to do about landlords because that landlords there are no homes. �* ., because that landlords there are no homes. . ., ., ., because that landlords there are no homes. ., ., ., ., ., , homes. and a lot of landlords, some --eole homes. and a lot of landlords, some people might — homes. and a lot of landlords, some people might have — homes. and a lot of landlords, some people might have a _ homes. and a lot of landlords, some people might have a small _ homes. and a lot of landlords, some people might have a small flat - homes. and a lot of landlords, some people might have a small flat whichj people might have a small flat which they saved up for instead of having a pension. they saved up for instead of having a ension. ., , ., , ,, ., a pension. that is a big issue, on the same — a pension. that is a big issue, on the same day _ a pension. that is a big issue, on the same day he _ a pension. that is a big issue, on the same day he is _ a pension. that is a big issue, on the same day he is on _ a pension. that is a big issue, on the same day he is on the - a pension. that is a big issue, on the same day he is on the front l a pension. that is a big issue, on| the same day he is on the front of the same day he is on the front of the sunday times think this will lock people out of democracy. henry and laura are telling me there are mps in the house of commons who are said to be dragging theirfeet because they are landlords? i said to be dragging their feet because they are landlords? i know how categorical _ because they are landlords? i know how categorical michael _ because they are landlords? i know how categorical michael gove - because they are landlords? i know how categorical michael gove was l how categorical michael gove was about— how categorical michael gove was about the — how categorical michael gove was

about the timetable, but it didn't leave _ about the timetable, but it didn't leave any— about the timetable, but it didn't leave any wriggle room at all. he said this — leave any wriggle room at all. he said this bill will be passed by the time of— said this bill will be passed by the time of the general election. we don't _ time of the general election. we don't know when the general election is, but _ don't know when the general election is, but assume it is in the autumn rather— is, but assume it is in the autumn rather than — is, but assume it is in the autumn rather than in may. if it is in may, i rather than in may. if it is in may, i don't _ rather than in may. if it is in may, i don't see — rather than in may. if it is in may, i don't see how it can be passed on time, _ i don't see how it can be passed on time, but _ idon't see how it can be passed on time, but if— i don't see how it can be passed on time, but if it is in the autumn they're — time, but if it is in the autumn they're still not a lot of parliamentary time. it has the entirety— parliamentary time. it has the entirety of the house of lords stages — entirety of the house of lords stages to go through, a bit of stuff still to— stages to go through, a bit of stuff still to he — stages to go through, a bit of stuff still to be done in the house of commons _ still to be done in the house of commons and some people are not sure when that— commons and some people are not sure when that will take place. i think it is michael gove, you know, achieving _ it is michael gove, you know, achieving the government along as well as— achieving the government along as well as announcing it is going to happen — well as announcing it is going to hauen. , ,, ., ., happen. absolutely. i know our viewers love — happen. absolutely. i know our viewers love this _ happen. absolutely. i know our viewers love this kind - happen. absolutely. i know our viewers love this kind of- happen. absolutely. i know our viewers love this kind of stuff. viewers love this kind of stuff because sometimes politicians are talking to two audiences. michael gove is trying to tell our viewers and listeners today, i get it, i know it isn't good enough and if you give us another chance, i promise you i am going to try and sort it. it sent to downing street, tory party managers and his colleagues, this has to happen and i'm going to go and get my megaphone on the telly

and try to push it forward. there isn't a guarantee if you talk to other people in government, this is going to happen before the election, but he is trying to make it so. let me brin: but he is trying to make it so. let me bring it _ but he is trying to make it so. let me bring it back to the audience that matters, the renter, you had a case study called sean. let's talk about her living room.— case study called sean. let's talk about her living room. sean has been in temporary — about her living room. sean has been in temporary accommodation - about her living room. sean has been in temporary accommodation for - about her living room. sean has been in temporary accommodation for six i in temporary accommodation for six years. six years. we go back six years. six years. we go back six years and we are still in 2018, my mental arithmetic has failed me. she has been in temporary accommodation for six years. she is waiting to get a place in social housing and there are more than a million people on the list and sian wanted michael gove to explain himself. how is that acceptable in one of the richest countries in the world. one of our viewers, sian wants to explain to

her why she has been stuck on a waiting list along with more than a million other people for social housing and stuck in temporary accommodation for six years? you can post about the number of homes you built, but can you explain to her why the conservatives have allowed that to happen? i why the conservatives have allowed that to happen?— why the conservatives have allowed that to happen? i would never post, i think it that to happen? i would never post, i think it is — that to happen? i would never post, i think it is important _ that to happen? i would never post, i think it is important however - that to happen? i would never post, i think it is important however to - i think it is important however to stress _ i think it is important however to stress what _ i think it is important however to stress what it _ i think it is important however to stress what it is _ i think it is important however to stress what it is we _ i think it is important however to stress what it is we have - i think it is important however to stress what it is we have been i stress what it is we have been doing — stress what it is we have been doing l— stress what it is we have been doin:. ., ~' stress what it is we have been doin:. ., ,, i. ., stress what it is we have been doin:. ., ,, ., , ., doing. i would like you to explain to sian, why _ doing. i would like you to explain to sian, why she _ doing. i would like you to explain to sian, why she has _ doing. i would like you to explain to sian, why she has been - doing. i would like you to explain | to sian, why she has been waiting for six years? i to sian, why she has been waiting for six years?— for six years? i don't know where she lives. — for six years? i don't know where she lives, and _ for six years? i don't know where she lives, and i— for six years? i don't know where she lives, and i do _ for six years? i don't know where she lives, and i do want - for six years? i don't know where she lives, and i do want to - for six years? i don't know where she lives, and i do want to knowl for six years? i don't know where i she lives, and i do want to know the detail— she lives, and i do want to know the detail so— she lives, and i do want to know the detail so i_ she lives, and i do want to know the detail so i can — she lives, and i do want to know the detail so i can make _ she lives, and i do want to know the detail so i can make sure _ she lives, and i do want to know the detail so i can make sure we - she lives, and i do want to know the detail so i can make sure we can- she lives, and i do want to know the detail so i can make sure we can do| detail so i can make sure we can do everything — detail so i can make sure we can do everything we — detail so i can make sure we can do everything we can— detail so i can make sure we can do everything we can to _ detail so i can make sure we can do everything we can to help _ detail so i can make sure we can do everything we can to help her. - detail so i can make sure we can do| everything we can to help her. more broadly— everything we can to help her. more broadly we — everything we can to help her. more broadly we need _ everything we can to help her. more broadly we need to _ everything we can to help her. more broadly we need to deliver - everything we can to help her. more broadly we need to deliver more - broadly we need to deliver more homes _ broadly we need to deliver more homes and — broadly we need to deliver more homes and i_ broadly we need to deliver more homes and i have _ broadly we need to deliver more homes and i have run— broadly we need to deliver more homes and i have run through i broadly we need to deliver more - homes and i have run through some of the things— homes and i have run through some of the things we — homes and i have run through some of the things we are _ homes and i have run through some of the things we are doing _ homes and i have run through some of the things we are doing in— homes and i have run through some of the things we are doing in order- homes and i have run through some of the things we are doing in order to- the things we are doing in order to do that _ the things we are doing in order to do that let — the things we are doing in order to do that let me _ the things we are doing in order to do that. let me make _ the things we are doing in order to do that. let me make one - the things we are doing in order to. do that. let me make one important point, _ do that. let me make one important point, last— do that. let me make one important point. last year— do that. let me make one important point. last year we _ do that. let me make one important point, last year we introduced - point, last year we introduced legislation— point, last year we introduced legislation that _ point, last year we introduced legislation that would - point, last year we introduced legislation that would have i point, last year we introduced - legislation that would have unlocked 100,000 _ legislation that would have unlocked 100,000 new— legislation that would have unlocked 100,000 new homes, _ legislation that would have unlocked 100,000 new homes, social- legislation that would have unlocked j 100,000 new homes, social homes, homes _ 100,000 new homes, social homes, homes to— 100,000 new homes, social homes, homes to rent — 100,000 new homes, social homes, homes to rent and _ 100,000 new homes, social homes, homes to rent and homes _ 100,000 new homes, social homes, homes to rent and homes to - 100,000 new homes, social homes, homes to rent and homes to buy. i 100,000 new homes, social homes, i homes to rent and homes to buy. when we brought— homes to rent and homes to buy. when we brought forward _ homes to rent and homes to buy. when we brought forward that _ homes to rent and homes to buy. when we brought forward that legislation, i we brought forward that legislation, the opposition— we brought forward that legislation, the opposition voted _ we brought forward that legislation, the opposition voted against - we brought forward that legislation, the opposition voted against it, i we brought forward that legislation, the opposition voted against it, so i the opposition voted against it, so if we _ the opposition voted against it, so if we are _ the opposition voted against it, so if we are looking _ the opposition voted against it, so if we are looking for _ the opposition voted against it, so if we are looking for culpability i if we are looking for culpability and blame, _

if we are looking for culpability and blame, one— if we are looking for culpability and blame, one of— if we are looking for culpability and blame, one of the - if we are looking for culpability i and blame, one of the questions we have to _ and blame, one of the questions we have to ask, — and blame, one of the questions we have to ask, why. _ and blame, one of the questions we have to ask, why, when _ and blame, one of the questions we have to ask, why, when we - and blame, one of the questions we have to ask, why, when we could i and blame, one of the questions we i have to ask, why, when we could have had100l000 — have to ask, why, when we could have had 100,000 additional— have to ask, why, when we could have had 100,000 additional homes - have to ask, why, when we could have had 100,000 additional homes did i had 100,000 additional homes did labour— had 100,000 additional homes did labour vote — had 100,000 additional homes did labour vote to _ had 100,000 additional homes did labour vote to stop _ had 100,000 additional homes did labour vote to stop that? - had 100,000 additional homes did labour vote to stop that? because| had 100,000 additional homes did i labour vote to stop that? because we have a _ labour vote to stop that? because we have a plan— labour vote to stop that? because we have a plan to — labour vote to stop that? because we have a plan to deal _ labour vote to stop that? because we have a plan to deal with _ labour vote to stop that? because we have a plan to deal with this - labour vote to stop that? because we have a plan to deal with this very- have a plan to deal with this very important — have a plan to deal with this very important question— have a plan to deal with this very important question and - have a plan to deal with this very important question and labour. have a plan to deal with this very. important question and labour have no plan _ important question and labour have no plan at _ important question and labour have no plan at all — important question and labour have no plan at all i— important question and labour have no plan at all-— no plan at all. i think that is what is known is _ no plan at all. i think that is what is known is not _ no plan at all. i think that is what is known is not answering - no plan at all. i think that is what is known is not answering the i is known is not answering the question and trying to point the finger at your opponent instead. we will see if sian gets back in touch to see what she made of the answer. henry, it was interesting when she said please share her information. he is seen as one of the most adept cabinet performance. when you think laura trott was on the tm programme in the week arguing with evan davis over what figure was a figure. go and look at that. michael gove, that is sophisticated to say, let me know what sian's is, so do we say michael

gove will be wheeled out like david cameron as the sort of competent face of the cabinet? i cameron as the sort of competent face of the cabinet?— cameron as the sort of competent face of the cabinet? i am sure that rishi sunak — face of the cabinet? i am sure that rishi sunak would _ face of the cabinet? i am sure that rishi sunak would be _ face of the cabinet? i am sure that rishi sunak would be delighted i face of the cabinet? i am sure that rishi sunak would be delighted for| rishi sunak would be delighted for him to— rishi sunak would be delighted for him to do— rishi sunak would be delighted for him to do as much media as possible. david _ him to do as much media as possible. david cameron, still not being wheeled — david cameron, still not being wheeled out that much, as we discussed _ wheeled out that much, as we discussed a few weeks ago on the sole occasion he has been, which i think— sole occasion he has been, which i think it _ sole occasion he has been, which i think it is — sole occasion he has been, which i think it is an— sole occasion he has been, which i think it is an interesting subplot. there _ think it is an interesting subplot. there is— think it is an interesting subplot. there is definitely a divide in the cabinet — there is definitely a divide in the cabinet now. i really big, profound divide _ cabinet now. i really big, profound divide in _ cabinet now. i really big, profound divide in terms of experience. michael— divide in terms of experience. michael gove, doing media interviews like this— michael gove, doing media interviews like this on— michael gove, doing media interviews like this on national television like this on national television like this— like this on national television like this for getting on for 20 years— like this for getting on for 20 years now, been an mp since 2005 and he was _ years now, been an mp since 2005 and he was a _ years now, been an mp since 2005 and he was a journalist beforehand, but their experience, joined the cabinet in 2010 _ their experience, joined the cabinet in 2010. ditto david cameron, jeremy hunt, _ in 2010. ditto david cameron, jeremy hunt, grant _ in 2010. ditto david cameron, jeremy hunt, grant shapps. and then people at the _ hunt, grant shapps. and then people at the other— hunt, grant shapps. and then people at the other end, he will more fresher— at the other end, he will more fresher and at the other end, he will more fresherand i'm sure rishi at the other end, he will more fresher and i'm sure rishi sunak would _ fresher and i'm sure rishi sunak would like — fresher and i'm sure rishi sunak would like to go into the election and promote them as much as possible as the _ and promote them as much as possible as the new— and promote them as much as possible as the new face of the conservative

party _ as the new face of the conservative party but — as the new face of the conservative party. but they often come unglued on sticky— party. but they often come unglued on sticky wickets, where as people like michael gove handle difficult questions like that more smoothly. let me _ questions like that more smoothly. let me segue, because you have made the news with michael gove, we had alan bates in broadcasting house today. the bbc has done some digging into fujitsu uk's accounts to find that millions were paid to executives during the horizon fiasco, the software that was faulty. 900 sub toastmasters and mistresses were pursued through the courts and prosecuted over these mistakes. and at the same time, fujitsu uk were playing the bosses millions. alan bates told me this needs to be looked into in the inquiry. needs to be looked into in the inuui . ., , ., inquiry. the really important thing inquiry. the really important thing in all of this _ inquiry. the really important thing in all of this is _ inquiry. the really important thing in all of this is getting _ inquiry. the really important thing in all of this is getting the - in all of this is getting the victims. _ in all of this is getting the victims, the _ in all of this is getting the victims, the sub- in all of this is getting the i victims, the sub toastmasters in all of this is getting the - victims, the sub toastmasters who have suffered. _ victims, the sub toastmasters who have suffered, paid _ victims, the sub toastmasters who have suffered, paid as _ victims, the sub toastmasters who have suffered, paid as soon - victims, the sub toastmasters who have suffered, paid as soon as i have suffered, paid as soon as possible _ have suffered, paid as soon as possible i_ have suffered, paid as soon as possible. i don't _ have suffered, paid as soon as possible. idon't know- have suffered, paid as soon as possible. i don't know why- possible. i don't know why government— possible. i don't know why government cannot - possible. i don't know why government cannot get i possible. i don't know whyl government cannot get the possible. i don't know why- government cannot get the money possible. i don't know why— government cannot get the money out to these _ government cannot get the money out to these people, — government cannot get the money out to these people, it— government cannot get the money out to these people, it just _ government cannot get the money out to these people, it just seems - government cannot get the money out to these people, it just seems to i government cannot get the money out to these people, it just seems to be i to these people, itjust seems to be

tied up— to these people, itjust seems to be tied up in— to these people, itjust seems to be tied up in a — to these people, itjust seems to be tied up in a bureaucratic— to these people, itjust seems to be tied up in a bureaucratic nightmare. j tied up in a bureaucratic nightmare. everyone _ tied up in a bureaucratic nightmare. everyone agrees _ tied up in a bureaucratic nightmare. everyone agrees the _ tied up in a bureaucratic nightmare. everyone agrees the money- tied up in a bureaucratic nightmare. everyone agrees the money is i tied up in a bureaucratic nightmare. i everyone agrees the money is there, everyone _ everyone agrees the money is there, everyone agrees _ everyone agrees the money is there, everyone agrees they _ everyone agrees the money is there, everyone agrees they want _ everyone agrees the money is there, everyone agrees they want to - everyone agrees the money is there, everyone agrees they want to pay- everyone agrees the money is there, everyone agrees they want to pay for them _ everyone agrees they want to pay for them. , ., , everyone agrees they want to pay for them. i. , ., ., ., ., them. everyone is amazed how long this has been _ them. everyone is amazed how long this has been going _ them. everyone is amazed how long this has been going on _ them. everyone is amazed how long this has been going on for, - them. everyone is amazed how long this has been going on for, it - them. everyone is amazed how long this has been going on for, it is i this has been going on for, it is years. it this has been going on for, it is ears. , , ., , this has been going on for, it is ears. _ , ., years. it is years, years, and ears. years. it is years, years, and years- and — years. it is years, years, and years. and now _ years. it is years, years, and years. and now we _ years. it is years, years, and years. and now we have i years. it is years, years, and years. and now we have this| years. it is years, years, and - years. and now we have this national voice, when you are talking to him, i wonder can you believe how this is all now unravelled? you must be a strange position to be and if you have been fighting on your own and with a small group, then with a bigger group,, what is his take on that? ., , , ., , that? that is exactly where i was interested to _ that? that is exactly where i was interested to go. _ that? that is exactly where i was interested to go. he _ that? that is exactly where i was interested to go. he said - that? that is exactly where i was interested to go. he said the i that? that is exactly where i was i interested to go. he said the money is still not coming, lots of promises of action. there have been some, but they can't believe how slow it is. when you link that to the windrush scandal and the contaminated blood scandal, people against the system feel very depressed in our country. my aston, is the system knackered? he said,

you feel very lonely. it interesting, he was laughing. he said my life is busy, but he has this manner about him, he feels he has done all it can and i suppose thatis has done all it can and i suppose that is enough for a person, they have got agency and he was laughing and saying he had a nice day.- and saying he had a nice day. henry, ou are and saying he had a nice day. henry, you are nodding? — and saying he had a nice day. henry, you are nodding? the _ and saying he had a nice day. henry, you are nodding? the point- and saying he had a nice day. henry, you are nodding? the point you i and saying he had a nice day. henry, | you are nodding? the point you made about— you are nodding? the point you made about agency feel so important in the post — about agency feel so important in the post office scandal. it is the one thing — the post office scandal. it is the one thing i— the post office scandal. it is the one thing i found most powerful about— one thing i found most powerful about the — one thing i found most powerful about the itv drama about alan bates, — about the itv drama about alan bates, but the case more generally, that feeling that these people off sounding the alarm, they were campaigning, they were calling, in the first— campaigning, they were calling, in the first instance, the post office and fugitive to help them out of the situation _ and fugitive to help them out of the situation and treat it as an honest mistake _ situation and treat it as an honest mistake and the agency point, it has taken _ mistake and the agency point, it has taken them — mistake and the agency point, it has taken them decades, in some cases, tojust _ taken them decades, in some cases, tojust get _ taken them decades, in some cases, tojust get a — taken them decades, in some cases, to just get a hearing to what any human— to just get a hearing to what any human being can expect, who ought to

expect— human being can expect, who ought to expect in— human being can expect, who ought to expect in any— human being can expect, who ought to expect in any walk of life, being listened — expect in any walk of life, being listened to. we expect in any walk of life, being listened to— expect in any walk of life, being listened to. ~ ., ., a ., ., listened to. we had pat mcfadden on the programme _ listened to. we had pat mcfadden on the programme this _ listened to. we had pat mcfadden on the programme this morning, - listened to. we had pat mcfadden on. the programme this morning, labour's campaign chief and he was the post office ministerfor a campaign chief and he was the post office minister for a while. campaign chief and he was the post office ministerfor a while. he was asked a couple of weeks ago about this and he basically said, i can't really remember. i said have you looked at what happened, given everything that we now know? he said, i have and i've looked at the paperwork and what struck me, he said this morning, is how robust the post office was to the inquiries that were being put to them by government. he said we asked a couple of times but the post office came back time and time again sang, there is no problem, there is no problem, there is no problem. you speak to people who are at the post office at the time and they said they were being told by fujitsu, there is no problem, there is no problem, there is no problem. it is absolutely astonishing how these people have taken so long to have

this looked up properly and although kemi badenoch said a couple of weeks ago, we are going as fast as we can, it is happening very quickly. there is still glacial. _ it is happening very quickly. there is still glacial, many _ it is happening very quickly. there is still glacial, many peoples - it is happening very quickly. there is still glacial, many peoples lives| is still glacial, many peoples lives have been turned upside down. same have been turned upside down. some have been turned upside down. some have died because _ have been turned upside down. some have died because of _ have been turned upside down. some have died because of the _ have been turned upside down. some have died because of the length of time, henry, iwonder have died because of the length of time, henry, i wonder if ed davey has had more of this coming his way? i understand there is a fair—minded listener who will say if i am the minister and i ask my officials and the post office for the reassurance, thatis the post office for the reassurance, that is all i can do, i am not a private investigator. vince cable made a similar point, but said he would like to apologise. do we think ed davey has got more of this coming to slap him around the face?- to slap him around the face? almost certainl . to slap him around the face? almost certainly- you _ to slap him around the face? almost certainly. you know, _ to slap him around the face? almost certainly. you know, there _ to slap him around the face? almost certainly. you know, there are - to slap him around the face? almost certainly. you know, there are a i certainly. you know, there are a long _ certainly. you know, there are a long line — certainly. you know, there are a long line of _ certainly. you know, there are a long line of post office ministers but he _ long line of post office ministers but he has the misfortune of being the leader— but he has the misfortune of being the leader of a political party at the leader of a political party at the moment that the scandal is finally— the moment that the scandal is finally recognised. he did an interview for the two bay —— today

programme. — interview for the two bay —— today programme, it was occupied with these _ programme, it was occupied with these questions. you programme, it was occupied with these questions.— programme, it was occupied with these questions. programme, it was occupied with these cuestions. ., ., , ., these questions. you are blaming the ost office, these questions. you are blaming the post office. the _ these questions. you are blaming the post office, the advice _ these questions. you are blaming the post office, the advice of _ these questions. you are blaming the post office, the advice of a _ these questions. you are blaming the post office, the advice of a given, i post office, the advice of a given, what _ post office, the advice of a given, what was — post office, the advice of a given, what was happening _ post office, the advice of a given, what was happening at _ post office, the advice of a given, what was happening at the - post office, the advice of a given, what was happening at the time. i post office, the advice of a given, i what was happening at the time. what about your— what was happening at the time. what about your own — what was happening at the time. what about your own personal— about your own personal responsibility? - about your own personal responsibility? [it- about your own personal responsibility?— about your own personal responsibility? about your own personal resonsibili ? , ., ., responsibility? it is one of the reasons why. _ responsibility? it is one of the reasons why, when _ responsibility? it is one of the reasons why, when we - responsibility? it is one of the reasons why, when we heard l responsibility? it is one of the - reasons why, when we heard about the whistle—blower and we had the high court _ whistle—blower and we had the high courtjudgment, i called for an independent inquiry. i championed that and _ independent inquiry. i championed that and i'm keen... what independent inquiry. i championed that and i'm keen. . ._ independent inquiry. i championed that and i'm keen... what about an a olo: that and i'm keen... what about an apology to — that and i'm keen... what about an apology to the _ that and i'm keen... what about an apology to the victims? _ that and i'm keen... what about an apology to the victims? i _ that and i'm keen... what about an apology to the victims? i have - apology to the victims? i have apologise _ apology to the victims? i have apologise for— apology to the victims? i have apologise for the _ apology to the victims? i have apologise for the fact - apology to the victims? i have apologise for the fact that - apology to the victims? i have apologise for the fact that i i apology to the victims? i have | apologise for the fact that i fail to see — apologise for the fact that i fail to see through the lies of the post office _ to see through the lies of the post office and — to see through the lies of the post office and i failed to meet alan bates— office and i failed to meet alan bates early on. it is it a full apology? _ bates early on. it is it a full apology? i am apologising what i was accountable for. that is the same defence _ accountable for. that is the same defence as— accountable for. that is the same defence as ed davey's defence, that they were _ defence as ed davey's defence, that they were told by the post office in jujitsu _ they were told by the post office in jujitsu that everything was fine and not a _ jujitsu that everything was fine and not a single postal affairs minister

in this— not a single postal affairs minister in this long — not a single postal affairs minister in this long stretch did anything but trust — in this long stretch did anything but trust the official advice. government ministers officially do trust the _ government ministers officially do trust the official's advice, otherwise we have a problem. i think ed davey— otherwise we have a problem. i think ed davey would not unreasonably, make _ ed davey would not unreasonably, make that — ed davey would not unreasonably, make that point.— ed davey would not unreasonably, make that point. paddy, we like to have sunday _ make that point. paddy, we like to have sunday sparkle _ make that point. paddy, we like to have sunday sparkle and _ make that point. paddy, we like to have sunday sparkle and a - make that point. paddy, we like to have sunday sparkle and a bit - make that point. paddy, we like to have sunday sparkle and a bit of. have sunday sparkle and a bit of showbiz. yesterday you told me you were going to have someone on to play a tune. the he player tune? trio. play a tune. the he player tune? no, he soke play a tune. the he player tune? no, he spoke eloquently and movingly about local hero going home. he said it was very celtic and he said, you might hear the scot in you staring. it is the anthem for newcastle united. ., . u, , united. you have newcastle united t-shirt on- — united. you have newcastle united t-shirt on- he _ united. you have newcastle united t-shirt on. he has _ united. you have newcastle united t-shirt on. he has got _ united. you have newcastle united t-shirt on. he has got the - united. you have newcastle united

t-shirt on. he has got the steven l t-shirt on. he has got the steven gerrard tie- _ t-shirt on. he has got the steven gerrard tie. describe _ t-shirt on. he has got the steven gerrard tie. describe for - t-shirt on. he has got the steven gerrard tie. describe for us - t-shirt on. he has got the steven gerrard tie. describe for us on . t-shirt on. he has got the steven| gerrard tie. describe for us on the radio today, what it's like to hear your tune played in the toon, to your tune played in the toon, to your fans. your tune played in the toon, to yourfans. it is unemotional, life changing moment for him? i’m your fans. it is unemotional, life changing moment for him? i'm sure it is. ithink changing moment for him? i'm sure it is- i think it— changing moment for him? i'm sure it is- i think it is— changing moment for him? i'm sure it is. i think it is unimaginable, - changing moment for him? i'm sure it is. i think it is unimaginable, it - is. i think it is unimaginable, it must _ is. i think it is unimaginable, it must he — is. i think it is unimaginable, it must he is _ is. ithink it is unimaginable, it must be. . . is. ithink it is unimaginable, it must be. , . ., must be. is he a newcastle fan? he must be. is he a newcastle fan? he must be. is he a newcastle fan? he must be- we _ must be. is he a newcastle fan? he must be. we had _ must be. is he a newcastle fan? he must be. we had an _ must be. is he a newcastle fan? he must be. we had an incredible - must be. we had an incredible passion on that an incredible passion on that an incredible passion from ralph fiennes, talking about his new macbeth production in london and it has been in london, liverpool and edinburgh and around the country. it is in big warehouses and he said there is lots of violence, lots of gore. macbeth is all about that, but it was interesting this morning, he said they don't have a trigger warning and he basically said, i think audiences have gone too soft. part of the thing about being in the theatre is you can be shot, you should be shocked and you shouldn't

be told about it in advance. so down with trigger warnings if you are ralph fiennes. irate with trigger warnings if you are ralph fiennes.— with trigger warnings if you are ralh fiennes. ~ . ralph fiennes. we never had trigger warninas, ralph fiennes. we never had trigger warnings. they _ ralph fiennes. we never had trigger warnings, they are _ ralph fiennes. we never had trigger warnings, they are very _ ralph fiennes. we never had trigger warnings, they are very disturbing i warnings, they are very disturbing scenes in macbeth and terrible murders. but the impact of theatre is he was shocked and disturbed, i don't think you should be prepared for these things. when i was young we never had trigger warnings. mould we never had trigger warnings. would ou aet rid we never had trigger warnings. would you get rid of— we never had trigger warnings. would you get rid of them, _ we never had trigger warnings. would you get rid of them, then? _ we never had trigger warnings. would you get rid of them, then? i - we never had trigger warnings. would you get rid of them, then? i would, i you get rid of them, then? i would, es. yes you get rid of them, then? i would, yes- yes talking _ you get rid of them, then? i would, yes. yes talking about _ you get rid of them, then? i would, yes. yes talking about the - you get rid of them, then? i would, yes. yes talking about the theatre l yes. yes talking about the theatre in that way _ yes. yes talking about the theatre in that way because _ yes. yes talking about the theatre in that way because it _ yes. yes talking about the theatre in that way because it is _ yes. yes talking about the theatre in that way because it is a - yes. yes talking about the theatre | in that way because it is a massive staple for the papers, this wokery thing. you used to work in the papers, so they say, macbeth, you need to be warned early on somebody�*s head could be cut off. macbeth is so well known that if you are going _ macbeth is so well known that if you are going to see it, you presumably have at— are going to see it, you presumably have at least a rough idea of the plot _ have at least a rough idea of the plot. ralph fiennes drew a

distinction with you, he said there's— distinction with you, he said there's things like strobe lighting and so _ there's things like strobe lighting and so on. — there's things like strobe lighting and so on, of course you should warn people _ and so on, of course you should warn people before hand. but that is more of a safety _ people before hand. but that is more of a safety warning. it is people before hand. but that is more of a safety warning.— of a safety warning. it is about health, then _ of a safety warning. it is about health, then for _ of a safety warning. it is about health, then for sure. - of a safety warning. it is about health, then for sure. and - of a safety warning. it is about| health, then for sure. and here of a safety warning. it is about - health, then for sure. and here are the fire exit- _ health, then for sure. and here are the fire exit. all— health, then for sure. and here are the fire exit. all very _ health, then for sure. and here are the fire exit. all very important - the fire exit. all very important thing. macbeth contains blood and a bit of murder... thing. macbeth contains blood and a bit of murder. . ._ bit of murder... good for him. are ou bit of murder... good for him. are you auditioning — bit of murder... good for him. are you auditioning to _ bit of murder... good for him. are you auditioning to be _ bit of murder... good for him. are you auditioning to be a _ bit of murder... good for him. are you auditioning to be a theatre - you auditioning to be a theatre announcer because you might find scenes distressing, look away now if you are of a nervous disposition. macbeth is a very well—known play macbeth is a very well— known play and they— macbeth is a very well— known play and they will be plenty, and they will he _ and they will be plenty, and they will be new plays being put on. perhaps — will be new plays being put on. perhaps if _ will be new plays being put on. perhaps if some of them have traumatic— perhaps if some of them have traumatic elements that some people itii-i'it traumatic elements that some people might not— traumatic elements that some people might not want to relive if they have _ might not want to relive if they have experienced it, it is worth giving — have experienced it, it is worth giving them a bit of a heads up. but certainty. _ giving them a bit of a heads up. but certainly, ralph fiennes seems to think— certainly, ralph fiennes seems to think for— certainly, ralph fiennes seems to think for a — certainly, ralph fiennes seems to think for a lot of people on the

ridiculousness of some of the extremes _ ridiculousness of some of the extremes it's gone too. and to complete _ extremes it's gone too. and to complete all — extremes it's gone too. and to complete all lovely, _ extremes it's gone too. and to complete all lovely, lovely - complete all lovely, lovely loveliness, you had andrew scott in broadcasting house this money. what an awful bunch of name dropper is we are. he an awful bunch of name dropper is we are. . , an awful bunch of name dropper is we are, ., , ., " an awful bunch of name dropper is we are. ., . ~ . ,., , an awful bunch of name dropper is we are. ., . ~ . , ., are. he was talking about his love of event cinema, _ are. he was talking about his love of event cinema, where _ are. he was talking about his love of event cinema, where we - are. he was talking about his love of event cinema, where we see i of event cinema, where we see ballet, plays and concerts, the taylor swift and beyonce concert tour films have broken taylor swift and beyonce concert tourfilms have broken the box office records in the last 12 months. but for 15 years or more, people have enjoyed plays in this way. andrew scott will be streamed live. but he said it can't replace affordable theatre prices. he said people of about 25 cannot afford your £150 box office ticket. if your £150 box office ticket. if you're having to spend 150 quid, no person— you're having to spend 150 quid, no person between— you're having to spend 150 quid, no person between the _ you're having to spend 150 quid, no person between the ages _ you're having to spend 150 quid, no person between the ages of - you're having to spend 150 quid, no person between the ages of 16 - you're having to spend 150 quid, no person between the ages of 16 and| you're having to spend 150 quid, no . person between the ages of 16 and 25 can afford _ person between the ages of 16 and 25 can afford that — person between the ages of 16 and 25 can afford that. it _ person between the ages of 16 and 25

can afford that. it is _ person between the ages of 16 and 25 can afford that. it is frustrating - can afford that. it is frustrating to me — can afford that. it is frustrating to me usually, _ can afford that. it is frustrating to me. usually, hopefully- can afford that. it is frustrating| to me. usually, hopefully there can afford that. it is frustrating i to me. usually, hopefully there is two nights— to me. usually, hopefully there is two nights a — to me. usually, hopefully there is two nights a week _ to me. usually, hopefully there is two nights a week you _ to me. usually, hopefully there is two nights a week you can - to me. usually, hopefully there is two nights a week you can get - two nights a week you can get something _ two nights a week you can get something. like _ two nights a week you can get something. like a _ two nights a week you can get something. like a sale - two nights a week you can get something. like a sale rack, l two nights a week you can get. something. like a sale rack, you have _ something. like a sale rack, you have to — something. like a sale rack, you have to he — something. like a sale rack, you have to be prepared _ something. like a sale rack, you have to be prepared to - something. like a sale rack, you| have to be prepared to rummage something. like a sale rack, you . have to be prepared to rummage a little bit _ have to be prepared to rummage a little bit but— have to be prepared to rummage a little bit. but i— have to be prepared to rummage a little bit. but i agree, _ have to be prepared to rummage a little bit. but i agree, it— have to be prepared to rummage a little bit. but i agree, it is- little bit. but i agree, it is important _ little bit. but i agree, it is important it— little bit. but i agree, it is important it doesn't - little bit. but i agree, it is. important it doesn't remain little bit. but i agree, it is- important it doesn't remain an elitist — important it doesn't remain an elitist art _ important it doesn't remain an elitist art form. _ important it doesn't remain an elitist art form. [— important it doesn't remain an elitist art form.— important it doesn't remain an elitist art form. i did ask ralph fiennes to _ elitist art form. i did ask ralph fiennes to fevered _ elitist art form. i did ask ralph fiennes to fevered tay - elitist art form. i did ask ralph fiennes to fevered tay £300 i elitist art form. i did ask ralph | fiennes to fevered tay £300 to elitist art form. i did ask ralph - fiennes to fevered tay £300 to go and watch sarahjessica parker and he confessed he had been, but he got a freebie because it was opening nights. lucky if you can get a ticket, but that is a lot of cash. we have done a lot of shout out for our 27—year—old newscast and we have congratulated the plaid cymru tear. come on and talk to us. i think we are at the end. i come on and talk to us. i think we are at the end.— are at the end. i think we are at the end- _ are at the end. i think we are at the end- i _ are at the end. i think we are at the end. i am _ are at the end. i think we are at the end. i am always _ are at the end. i think we are at the end. i am always happy - are at the end. i think we are at the end. i am always happy to l are at the end. i think we are at i the end. i am always happy to talk about you such a real choices, but i'm not sure how much of a discussion asked that her want to

want to listen to. i have had an e—mailfrom a view want to listen to. i have had an e—mail from a view of this morning saying can you wear a biggerjump in the studio to set more example of turning the heating down.- the studio to set more example of turning the heating down. there we no ahead, turning the heating down. there we go ahead. henry — turning the heating down. there we go ahead. henry is _ turning the heating down. there we go ahead, henry is massive - turning the heating down. there we | go ahead, henry is massive politics? huge, two big by—elections on thursday— huge, two big by—elections on thursday in wellingborough in northamptonshire and in kingswood near bristol. both seats the conservatives won with big majorities in 2019 and it tells a story— majorities in 2019 and it tells a story of— majorities in 2019 and it tells a story of how far we have come that i don't _ story of how far we have come that i don't think— story of how far we have come that i don't think anybody expects the conservatives to hold on to either of them, — conservatives to hold on to either of them, it— conservatives to hold on to either of them, it has become routine, you have _ of them, it has become routine, you have these _ of them, it has become routine, you have these by—elections with pigment tory majority and it seems labour overturns — tory majority and it seems labour overturns them. it tory majority and it seems labour overturns them.— overturns them. it may set up another wobble _ overturns them. it may set up another wobble in _ overturns them. it may set up another wobble in the - overturns them. it may set up another wobble in the tory - overturns them. it may set up - another wobble in the tory ranks. they are pretty wobbly as thing stands. we may get news this week we have gone into a recession. it might

be the day of the by—election, so given that the government is trying to make an argument, stick with us because we can look after the economy. whether or not being technically in a recession makes a blind bit of difference to how people feel about making ends meet, it is still a stick for the opposition to beat them with, if those figures to show that. irate opposition to beat them with, if those figures to show that. we have reviewed the — those figures to show that. we have reviewed the sunday, _ those figures to show that. we have reviewed the sunday, we _ those figures to show that. we have reviewed the sunday, we have - those figures to show that. we have reviewed the sunday, we have had l reviewed the sunday, we have had preview of the week ahead, so it is definitely time to say goodbye. thank you for listening and watching. thank you for listening and watching-— thank you for listening and watchinu. . ~' , . watching. thank you very much, aoodb e watching. thank you very much, goodbye everybody. _ watching. thank you very much, goodbye everybody. goodbye. l watching. thank you very much, - goodbye everybody. goodbye. newscast from the bbc- — hello there. very pleased to say it's been a quieter weekend of weather for most of us, but there's still a lot of waterlogged fields and pavements out there, as you can see by this

weather watcher picture sent in from hull a little earlier on. now, as we go through the week ahead, we might start off quite optimistic with some sunny spells around, but it will turn increasingly unsettled with the showers turning to longer spells of rain, breezy at times, but it will be mild, particularly through the middle part of the week. this has been the story today. we've had some nuisance rainjust clinging onto the far east coast of scotland and northeast england. some brighter spells and a few scattered showers out to the west. now, those showers will continue to feed in across west—facing coasts overnight. but with some clearer skies, temperatures are likely to fall away. it's going to be a chilly start to our monday morning. low single figures for many, perhaps in rural parts of scotland, below freezing, a touch of ice not out of the question where we've got those lingering showers. low pressure dominates the scene as we move into monday, the wind direction coming from a northwesterly, slightly fresher source and that's going to continue to drive in plenty of showers closest to that area of low. so northern ireland, scotland, perhaps northwest england as well. and some of the showers to the tops

of the mountains once again could be wintry in nature. but there will be some sunshine elsewhere and those temperatures are likely to peak between six and ten degrees. as we go through monday evening and into tuesday, we've got this little ridge of high pressure keeping things quiet. but all the time this weather front is approaching from the southwest, that is going to gradually spill in more cloud ahead of it. so after a bright start, clouding over. a few scattered showers in the far northwest, more persistent showery rain develops across the channel islands, south west england, wales and eventually into the midlands, north west england and northern ireland by the end of the afternoon. 7 to 11, our overall highs. so as we move out of tuesday into wednesday, it's here where the showers potentially could merge to longer spells of rain as it stays pretty unsettled. the wind direction there coming from a south—westerly, so a very mild direction and that is going to just push that milder air further north across the country. so it does mean that we could see temperatures perhaps into the mid—teens as we go through the middle part of the week. but it stays pretty unsettled for many of us. take care.

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