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inafew in a few minutes' time, we will be tackling your questions in a few minutes�* time, we will be tackling your questions on the government's decision. let's delve into the specifics of the story. rosebank lies in the north sea, about 80 miles west of shetland. experts say it contains about 300 million barrels of oil. production could start in 2026 with extraction continuing until at least 2030. it's thought that about 69,000 barrels of oil could be produced every day. that would equate to about 8% of the uk's total output. there will also be natural gas with about 44 million cubic feet produced per day during the project's lifetime. the energy
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secretary defended the regulators�* decision. the secretary defended the regulators' decision. . , , , decision. the gas will be used domestically _ decision. the gas will be used domestically as _ decision. the gas will be used domestically as it _ decision. the gas will be used domestically as it has - decision. the gas will be used domestically as it has been i decision. the gas will be used | domestically as it has been set decision. the gas will be used - domestically as it has been set out. in terms of the oil, it gets exported initially but overall, the uk is a net importer of oil. so this is an important thing that has happened today. it is good for energy security. it is good forjobs and investment in this country and overall, it means lower emissions. it gets refined abroad but overall, the uk is a net importer of oil so we need oil and gas in the future and it is important that it is produced here because that means jobs and investment here in the uk. as i said, in a moment we will explore some of the issues this decision raises by answering some of your questions but first, let�*s get a bit more political reaction and said keir starmer has confirmed that labour will not revoke the licence for the rosebank oilfield if it wins the next election. mr starmer said that allowing the north sea
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exploration to go ahead would provide stability to the economy. mr starmer spoke to my colleague nick robinson. in starmer spoke to my colleague nick robinson. ., ., ., ~ robinson. in relation to rosebank, what we have _ robinson. in relation to rosebank, what we have said _ robinson. in relation to rosebank, what we have said is _ robinson. in relation to rosebank, what we have said is no _ robinson. in relation to rosebank, what we have said is no new- robinson. in relation to rosebank, what we have said is no new line . what we have said is no new line since is to be —— licences when we are in power but we won�*t revoke any licenses granted before we are in power. i5 licenses granted before we are in ower. , ., ., ., power. is it wrong to say that rosebank _ power. is it wrong to say that rosebank being _ power. is it wrong to say that rosebank being develop - power. is it wrong to say that| rosebank being develop drive power. is it wrong to say that i rosebank being develop drive a power. is it wrong to say that - rosebank being develop drive a coach and horses_ rosebank being develop drive a coach and horses through our climate commitment? he and horses through our climate commitment?— and horses through our climate commitment? , ., commitment? he is right that we need this transition — commitment? he is right that we need this transition but _ commitment? he is right that we need this transition but i _ commitment? he is right that we need this transition but i am _ commitment? he is right that we need this transition but i am mindful- commitment? he is right that we need this transition but i am mindful of - this transition but i am mindful of the fact that if there is one thing thatis the fact that if there is one thing that is killed both in the last 13 years and it has been killed, is a chopping and changing, lack of strategic thinking and therefore, as a matter of principle, we will accept the baseline that we inherit from the government if we win that election. that�*s why we have been very clear that he won�*t revoke that licence. very clear that he won't revoke that licence. ., . ., very clear that he won't revoke that licence. ., _, , ., .,
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very clear that he won't revoke that licence. ., u, , ., ., licence. you could if you wanted to? it is deliberate _ licence. you could if you wanted to? it is deliberate and _ licence. you could if you wanted to? it is deliberate and it _ licence. you could if you wanted to? it is deliberate and it is _ licence. you could if you wanted to? it is deliberate and it is in _ licence. you could if you wanted to? it is deliberate and it is in order - it is deliberate and it is in order to ensure we have stability that we desperately need. lets to ensure we have stability that we desperately need.— desperately need. lets hear from humza yousaf, _ desperately need. lets hear from humza yousaf, scotland's - desperately need. lets hear from humza yousaf, scotland's first i humza yousaf, scotland�*s first minister. humza yousaf, scotland's first minister. , , ., minister. this is the wrong decision- _ minister. this is the wrong decision. i _ minister. this is the wrong decision. i have _ minister. this is the wrong decision. i have expressed i minister. this is the wrong . decision. i have expressed my concerns about rosebank for some time. most reasonable people, they shouldn�*t be a cliff edge but neither is the north—east of scotland�*s future on oil and gas extraction. we want to take workers from the north—east from a fossil fuel industry transition to renewables, net zero future. that is one i am committed to and this latest development is another demonstration of the uk government going back on its climate. this demonstration of the uk government going back on its climate.— going back on its climate. this is what the senior _ going back on its climate. this is
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what the senior vice _ going back on its climate. this is what the senior vice president i going back on its climate. this is what the senior vice president ati what the senior vice president at electronic arts said. it is what the senior vice president at electronic arts said.— electronic arts said. it is an investment _ electronic arts said. it is an investment into _ electronic arts said. it is an investment into energy - electronic arts said. it is an - investment into energy security and jobs in the uk there is a continuing need for oil and gas through the entire transition and even after net zero, we will need oil and gas in our daily lives to run the society as we know it. we our daily lives to run the society as we know it.— our daily lives to run the society as we know it. we have had lots of viewpoints — as we know it. we have had lots of viewpoints there _ as we know it. we have had lots of viewpoints there but _ as we know it. we have had lots of viewpoints there but now - as we know it. we have had lots of viewpoints there but now it's - as we know it. we have had lots of viewpoints there but now it's time | viewpoints there but now it�*s time for your questions answered. throughout the day, you have been e—mailing us and we have selected a handful of them to cover as many as we can. i am joined by...
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just in questions of the top. we have pat, who has asked what company will run this oilfield and off the back of that, what is the estimated profit the owner of rosebank will make from the sale of the products extracted? the make from the sale of the products extracted? ., . ., , make from the sale of the products extracted? ., _, , ., extracted? the main company involved with this is called _ extracted? the main company involved with this is called equinor, _ extracted? the main company involved with this is called equinor, it _ extracted? the main company involved with this is called equinor, it is - extracted? the main company involved with this is called equinor, it is a - with this is called equinor, it is a very large oil and gas and other energy types involved as well, there are getting big in wind, based in
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norway, making a lot of profit for the norwegian government is a major stakeholder in that. they have built up stakeholder in that. they have built up a very large trust fund in norway. 20% of this is owned by a company called ithaca energy, based in aberdeen so it is owned by lot of investment funds as well. quite a high risk business to be investing in oil and high risk business to be investing in oiland gas, high risk business to be investing in oil and gas, upstream like this. the 80% stake from equinor means it is doing the investment i�*m not aware that it has published her profit. at the moment, the estimate that the production that will start in 2026, will continue until 2051.
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something of an irony given all that controversy about the environment impact of the oil and gas being drilled here, a year after net zero are supposed to be achieved. it will run for decades. the oil and gas price, you can be sure is going to vary a bit during that time and the profits made from it is likely to be very variable as a result. they are saying they expect between the capital expenditure and the operating costs, it is very expensive to get gas —— oil and gas. they are promising that a fairly high proportion of the costs will be spent on the supply chain in the uk so it should stay to the size of the uk economy. so it should stay to the size of the uk economy-— so it should stay to the size of the uk econom . ., , ., ., ., i. uk economy. tony, what more do you know about — uk economy. tony, what more do you know about companies _
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uk economy. tony, what more do you know about companies that _ uk economy. tony, what more do you know about companies that are - know about companies that are investing in rosebank and their environmental track record elsewhere?— environmental track record elsewhere? , elsewhere? douglas has put it quite clearl . elsewhere? douglas has put it quite clearly- the — elsewhere? douglas has put it quite clearly. the companies _ elsewhere? douglas has put it quite clearly. the companies are - elsewhere? douglas has put it quite clearly. the companies are going i elsewhere? douglas has put it quite clearly. the companies are going to | clearly. the companies are going to be involved — clearly. the companies are going to be involved in this are huge fossil fuel companies. they make their money— fuel companies. they make their money by— fuel companies. they make their money by extracting oil and gas and they are _ money by extracting oil and gas and they are not altruistic, they will not sell— they are not altruistic, they will not sell this i want gas to the cheaper— not sell this i want gas to the cheaperjust because it is in uk waters — cheaperjust because it is in uk waters. these are fossil fuel companies who will make their money by extracting oil and gas which will be burned — by extracting oil and gas which will be burned and will aggravate the climate — be burned and will aggravate the climate crisis. we be burned and will aggravate the climate crisis.— climate crisis. we will be coming back to you _ climate crisis. we will be coming back to you a _ climate crisis. we will be coming back to you a little _ climate crisis. we will be coming back to you a little late - climate crisis. we will be coming back to you a little late with i climate crisis. we will be coming. back to you a little late with some questions directly to you. i wonder if we can turn to as me. esme, we have a question that came to us from david powell. he says he works with companies to measure and reduce their carbon footprints. how can companies be expected to reduce
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their carbon footprints in the government seems to be making little to no effort on a national scale? i�*m sure the government would push i'm sure the government would push back on— i'm sure the government would push back on that — i'm sure the government would push back on that. what _ i'm sure the government would push back on that. what they _ i'm sure the government would push back on that. what they have - i'm sure the government would push back on that. what they have said i back on that. what they have said today— back on that. what they have said today as _ back on that. what they have said today as this _ back on that. what they have said today as this decision _ back on that. what they have said today as this decision to - back on that. what they have said today as this decision to allow- today as this decision to allow r0sebank— today as this decision to allow rosebank to— today as this decision to allow rosebank to go _ today as this decision to allow rosebank to go ahead - today as this decision to allow rosebank to go ahead is i today as this decision to allow rosebank to go ahead is stilll rosebank to go ahead is still compatible _ rosebank to go ahead is still compatible with _ rosebank to go ahead is still compatible with the - rosebank to go ahead is still compatible with the net i rosebank to go ahead is still compatible with the net zeroj rosebank to go ahead is still i compatible with the net zero 2050 target _ compatible with the net zero 2050 target but — compatible with the net zero 2050 target. but actually— compatible with the net zero 2050 target. but actually the _ compatible with the net zero 2050 target. but actually the point i compatible with the net zero 2050 target. but actually the point that| target. but actually the point that was made — target. but actually the point that was made there _ target. but actually the point that was made there has— target. but actually the point that was made there has been- target. but actually the point that was made there has been echoedj was made there has been echoed previously— was made there has been echoed previously by _ was made there has been echoed previously by the _ was made there has been echoed previously by the uk _ was made there has been echoed previously by the uk committee i was made there has been echoed l previously by the uk committee for climate _ previously by the uk committee for climate change _ previously by the uk committee for climate change which _ previously by the uk committee for climate change which is _ previously by the uk committee for climate change which is that - climate change which is that independent _ climate change which is that independent body— climate change which is that independent body which i climate change which is that i independent body which advises climate change which is that - independent body which advises the government— independent body which advises the government which— independent body which advises the government which has _ independent body which advises the government which has the - independent body which advises the i government which has the government needs— government which has the government needs to _ government which has the government needs to think— government which has the government needs to think carefully— government which has the government needs to think carefully about - government which has the government needs to think carefully about the i needs to think carefully about the public— needs to think carefully about the public decisions _ needs to think carefully about the public decisions it _ needs to think carefully about the public decisions it made - needs to think carefully about the public decisions it made and i needs to think carefully about the public decisions it made and the i public decisions it made and the signals— public decisions it made and the signals it — public decisions it made and the signals it sends. _ public decisions it made and the signals it sends. does _ public decisions it made and the signals it sends. does it- public decisions it made and the signals it sends. does it send i public decisions it made and the signals it sends. does it send ai signals it sends. does it send a signal— signals it sends. does it send a signal that— signals it sends. does it send a signal that we _ signals it sends. does it send a signal that we are _ signals it sends. does it send a signal that we are not - signals it sends. does it send a signal that we are not taking i signal that we are not taking climate _ signal that we are not taking climate change _ signal that we are not taking climate change seriously- signal that we are not taking climate change seriously if. signal that we are not taking. climate change seriously if we signal that we are not taking i climate change seriously if we are approving — climate change seriously if we are approving those _ climate change seriously if we are approving those oilfield? - climate change seriously if we are approving those oilfield? the i approving those oilfield? the government— approving those oilfield? the government says _ approving those oilfield? the government says they- approving those oilfield? the government says they are i approving those oilfield? the government says they are at| approving those oilfield? the i government says they are at still very much— government says they are at still very much r~ _ government says they are at still very much k i— government says they are at still very much r-_ government says they are at still ve much r. ., .. , very much r. i wonder if he can put this into context _ very much r. i wonder if he can put this into context for _ very much r. i wonder if he can put this into context for us _ very much r. i wonder if he can put this into context for us a _ very much r. i wonder if he can put this into context for us a little i this into context for us a little bit. how does this decision made today relate back to what the
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government is already doing when it comes to renewable energy? this decision comes — comes to renewable energy? this decision comes alongside various other— decision comes alongside various other decisions _ decision comes alongside various other decisions around _ decision comes alongside various| other decisions around renewable energy _ other decisions around renewable energy there _ other decisions around renewable energy. there has— other decisions around renewable energy. there has been— other decisions around renewable energy. there has been a - other decisions around renewable i energy. there has been a significant growth, _ energy. there has been a significant growth, particularly— energy. there has been a significant growth, particularly in _ energy. there has been a significant growth, particularly in offshore i growth, particularly in offshore wind _ growth, particularly in offshore wind in — growth, particularly in offshore wind in the _ growth, particularly in offshore wind in the uk _ growth, particularly in offshore wind in the uk but _ growth, particularly in offshore wind in the uk but this- growth, particularly in offshore wind in the uk but this also i growth, particularly in offshore i wind in the uk but this also comes off the _ wind in the uk but this also comes off the back— wind in the uk but this also comes off the back of _ wind in the uk but this also comes off the back of recent _ wind in the uk but this also comes i off the back of recent announcements last week_ off the back of recent announcements last week about — off the back of recent announcements last week about rishi _ off the back of recent announcements last week about rishi sunak_ off the back of recent announcements last week about rishi sunak pulling i last week about rishi sunak pulling back, _ last week about rishi sunak pulling back, or— last week about rishi sunak pulling back, or delaying _ last week about rishi sunak pulling back, or delaying some _ last week about rishi sunak pulling back, or delaying some previous i back, or delaying some previous green _ back, or delaying some previous green targets _ back, or delaying some previous green targets we _ back, or delaying some previous green targets we had _ back, or delaying some previous green targets we had in - back, or delaying some previous green targets we had in place i back, or delaying some previous| green targets we had in place for evampie. — green targets we had in place for evampie. the _ green targets we had in place for example, the phase—out - green targets we had in place for example, the phase—out of- green targets we had in place fori example, the phase—out of petrol green targets we had in place for- example, the phase—out of petrol and diesel— example, the phase—out of petrol and diesel vehicles— example, the phase—out of petrol and diesel vehicles has— example, the phase—out of petrol and diesel vehicles has been— example, the phase—out of petrol and diesel vehicles has been pushed - example, the phase—out of petrol and diesel vehicles has been pushed back| diesel vehicles has been pushed back from 2030 _ diesel vehicles has been pushed back from 2030 to— diesel vehicles has been pushed back from 2030 to 2032. _ diesel vehicles has been pushed back from 2030 to 2032. it _ diesel vehicles has been pushed back from 2030 to 2032. it was _ diesel vehicles has been pushed back from 2030 to 2032. it was certainly l from 2030 to 2032. it was certainly sending _ from 2030 to 2032. it was certainly sending a _ from 2030 to 2032. it was certainly sending a signal— from 2030 to 2032. it was certainly sending a signal opposition - from 2030 to 2032. it was certainly sending a signal opposition partiesl sending a signal opposition parties would _ sending a signal opposition parties would say, — sending a signal opposition parties would say, we _ sending a signal opposition parties would say, we have _ sending a signal opposition parties would say, we have had _ sending a signal opposition parties would say, we have had strong i would say, we have had strong reaction — would say, we have had strong reaction from _ would say, we have had strong reaction from the _ would say, we have had strong reaction from the likes - would say, we have had strong reaction from the likes of- would say, we have had strong reaction from the likes of the i would say, we have had strong i reaction from the likes of the green party— reaction from the likes of the green party saying — reaction from the likes of the green party saying to _ reaction from the likes of the green party saying to the _ reaction from the likes of the green party saying to the public— reaction from the likes of the green party saying to the public and - reaction from the likes of the green party saying to the public and whatl party saying to the public and what this is— party saying to the public and what this is same — party saying to the public and what this is same to _ party saying to the public and what this is same to other— party saying to the public and what this is same to other countries- party saying to the public and what this is same to other countries is. this is same to other countries is that we — this is same to other countries is that we are — this is same to other countries is that we are not _ this is same to other countries is that we are not taking _ this is same to other countries is that we are not taking climate i that we are not taking climate crisis — that we are not taking climate crisis seriously. _ that we are not taking climate crisis seriously.— that we are not taking climate crisis seriously. tony, do you have an hint crisis seriously. tony, do you have anything you _ crisis seriously. tony, do you have anything you might _ crisis seriously. tony, do you have anything you might want - crisis seriously. tony, do you have anything you might want to - crisis seriously. tony, do you have anything you might want to add i crisis seriously. tony, do you have anything you might want to add to j anything you might want to add to that? . , ., ., ., ,, ., , that? the decision to approve this oilfield today _ that? the decision to approve this oilfield today is _ that? the decision to approve this oilfield today is just _ that? the decision to approve this
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oilfield today isjust another i oilfield today is just another example of the dereliction of duty by the _ example of the dereliction of duty by the uk — example of the dereliction of duty by the uk government. it is a colossal— by the uk government. it is a colossal failure of leadership by a government which seems to be determined to ignore the scientific warnings — determined to ignore the scientific warnings i— determined to ignore the scientific warnings. i think we have already seen _ warnings. i think we have already seen last— warnings. i think we have already seen last week that the uk government rolling back on its climate — government rolling back on its climate pledges and year, last they approved _ climate pledges and year, last they approved a new coal mine and sol think— approved a new coal mine and sol think any— approved a new coal mine and sol think any claims that the uk government has two international climate _ government has two international climate leadership was sharp through and uk's _ climate leadership was sharp through and uk's position on climate now will be _ and uk's position on climate now will be the — and uk's position on climate now will be the case of do as we say, not as— will be the case of do as we say, not as we — will be the case of do as we say, not as we do. | will be the case of do as we say, not as we do-— not as we do. i want to aim this ruestion not as we do. i want to aim this question towards _ not as we do. i want to aim this question towards you, - not as we do. i want to aim thisj question towards you, douglas, not as we do. i want to aim this i question towards you, douglas, it is a question that comes in from peter, he says how will this benefit the population of the uk in terms of energy security. surely investing in renewable energy sources and speeding up the development and roll—out will provide far more energy security than burning even
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more destructive fossil fuels. it gets really into the question of what is energy security?- gets really into the question of what is energy security? there are a number of issues _ what is energy security? there are a number of issues there _ what is energy security? there are a number of issues there about i what is energy security? there are a number of issues there about how i number of issues there about how much security you get out of wind power but if you look at the oil and gas sector, a lot of the debate around this while under previous prime ministers, the government has been headed toward stronger net zero position of slimming down the oil and gas industry are moving towards renewables. the russian invasion of ukraine shows a big deal of energy security and need to be clear about where our energy is coming from in future. we can�*t trust big suppliers, like russia has been for a long time. that race the energy security issue. now, and how much security issue. now, and how much security you get from producing oil and gas from rosebank. gas, most of it is pipelined into uk, that is
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much more likely to be used in the uk. with oil, and rosebank are primarily an oilfield, gets put into tankers, a big deal was taken to rotterdam, it is put on the international market, it is bought and sold at globally set prices and these prices are not set by anybody in the uk, they are influenced very strongly by its supply and the exporters, plus russia and they work closely with russia, and it is influenced by demand. a lot of that will come from how strong the chinese economy is. the prices are set internationally. the british have to pay those international prices. having an oil industry doesn�*t mean cheaper oil, or unless it is an extreme circumstance, for example a war breaking out, we don�*t have the power to force supplies to bring energy into the uk and save it for uk use. so the argument that energy security are getting the price down, sam has claimed, for
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having local produce energy, that doesn�*t stand up in the oil industry. doesn't stand up in the oil industry-— doesn't stand up in the oil indust . , ., ., industry. douglas, i 'ust want to focus on you t industry. douglas, i 'ust want to focus on you for— industry. douglas, i 'ust want to focus on you for a i industry. douglas, ijust want to focus on you for a moment. i industry. douglas, ijust want to focus on you for a moment. you \ industry. douglas, i just want to - focus on you for a moment. you have mention the uk a lot, butjust focusing on scotland specifically, are their concerns within scotland about energy security that are local to scotland when we think about the post for scotland independence and the like, what is the reaction there today on hearing the news that rosebank will be developed and the uk regulator has been given the green light?— uk regulator has been given the green light? there are questions around independence. _ green light? there are questions around independence. there - green light? there are questions around independence. there is. green light? there are questions around independence. there is al around independence. there is a recognition that the tax take from this is not going to be anything
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like the substantial coming decades. most of that has been used by the uk treasury. the bigger issues specific to scotland, is the scale of employment, not far off hundred thousand people in the oil and gas sector, many based in aberdeen but also in the northern isles and in the highlands, many villages across the highlands, many villages across the highlands, many villages across the highlands, people make good money working offshore all around the world. it's the oil and gas industry, the transition towards renewables, much of itjust can't be done overseas, the intention from the scottish government is to capture more of that supply chain and to ensure more that sticks to the side of the uk economy. that is where the concern is, that how you
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make that transition. take high levels of skills and high earnings that come out of the oil and gas industry and move it into this great energy transition we are seeing. tony to bring the question back to you, the question from peter, how will today's decision benefit the population of the uk in terms of energy security? he says, surely investing in renewable energy sources and speeding up the developers and roll—out will provide more energy security than burning fossil fuels? more energy security than burning fossilfuels? i think i can probably imagine what you are going to say to that, but tell me your thoughts on the nature of energy is greatly and have a secure energy security for ourselves in the uk?— ourselves in the uk? peter is absolutely — ourselves in the uk? peter is absolutely right. _ ourselves in the uk? peter is absolutely right. the - ourselves in the uk? peter is absolutely right. the best - ourselves in the uk? peter is| absolutely right. the best way ourselves in the uk? peter is - absolutely right. the best way to approve — absolutely right. the best way to approve energy security isn't by developing the oil and gas, the majority— developing the oil and gas, the majority of which is going to be sold on— majority of which is going to be sold on the international market. they— sold on the international market. they gas — sold on the international market. they gas may come to the uk but fossil_ they gas may come to the uk but fossil fuel— they gas may come to the uk but fossil fuel companies are not over their— fossil fuel companies are not over their altruism, they are not going to sell_ their altruism, they are not going to sell it — their altruism, they are not going to sell it to— their altruism, they are not going to sell it to us any cheaper than they— to sell it to us any cheaper than they would elsewhere. the best way
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to secure _ they would elsewhere. the best way to secure energy is to prioritise home—grown renewables, onshore and offshore _ home—grown renewables, onshore and offshore wind and social power —— solar _ offshore wind and social power —— solar power — offshore wind and social power —— solar power. helping households cut down _ solar power. helping households cut down on _ solar power. helping households cut down on the amount of energy they need to— down on the amount of energy they need to use, cut down on their energy— need to use, cut down on their energy bills, buy a nationwide programme of home insulation. that is the _ programme of home insulation. that is the real— programme of home insulation. that is the real way to improve energy security — is the real way to improve energy security. that is what the prime mihisler— security. that is what the prime minister and the government should be prioritising. minister and the government should be prioritising-— be prioritising. esme, let's come to ou. a be prioritising. esme, let's come to you- a question _ be prioritising. esme, let's come to you. a question to _ be prioritising. esme, let's come to you. a question to you _ be prioritising. esme, let's come to you. a question to you from - be prioritising. esme, let's come to you. a question to you from rees. l be prioritising. esme, let's come toj you. a question to you from rees. i hope this is something that you will be able to touch on. he says, i am interested in knowing how much the rosebank oil field will benefit from uk government subsidies. what you have to say about uk government subsidies? the have to say about uk government subsidies? ., have to say about uk government subsidies? . _ , ., , , ., subsidies? the tax system associated with oil and gas _ subsidies? the tax system associated with oil and gas in _ subsidies? the tax system associated with oil and gas in the _ subsidies? the tax system associated with oil and gas in the uk _ subsidies? the tax system associated with oil and gas in the uk is _ subsidies? the tax system associated with oil and gas in the uk is very - with oil and gas in the uk is very complex — with oil and gas in the uk is very complex at_ with oil and gas in the uk is very complex. at one _ with oil and gas in the uk is very complex. at one point _ with oil and gas in the uk is very complex. at one point that - with oil and gas in the uk is very complex. at one point that has. with oil and gas in the uk is very- complex. at one point that has been made _ complex. at one point that has been made is _ complex. at one point that has been made is that— complex. at one point that has been made is that the _ complex. at one point that has been
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made is that the approval— complex. at one point that has been made is that the approval of- complex. at one point that has been made is that the approval of this - made is that the approval of this will bring — made is that the approval of this will bring money _ made is that the approval of this will bring money into _ made is that the approval of this will bring money into the - made is that the approval of this. will bring money into the treasury to be _ will bring money into the treasury to be spent— will bring money into the treasury to be spent on— will bring money into the treasury to be spent on the _ will bring money into the treasury to be spent on the uk— will bring money into the treasury to be spent on the uk population. j to be spent on the uk population. there _ to be spent on the uk population. there are — to be spent on the uk population. there are very— to be spent on the uk population. there are very high— to be spent on the uk population. there are very high taxes - to be spent on the uk population. there are very high taxes for- to be spent on the uk population. there are very high taxes for the. there are very high taxes for the oil and _ there are very high taxes for the oil and gas — there are very high taxes for the oil and gas fields, _ there are very high taxes for the oil and gas fields, up _ there are very high taxes for the oil and gas fields, up to - there are very high taxes for the oil and gas fields, up to almost. oil and gas fields, up to almost 75%~ _ oil and gas fields, up to almost 75%~ oil and _ oil and gas fields, up to almost 75%. oil and gas _ oil and gas fields, up to almost 75%. oil and gas company- oil and gas fields, up to almost 75%. oil and gas company that| 75%. oil and gas company that reinvest — 75%. oil and gas company that reinvest this— 75%. oil and gas company that reinvest this money, _ 75%. oil and gas company that reinvest this money, whetherl 75%. oil and gas company that. reinvest this money, whether that 75%. oil and gas company that- reinvest this money, whether that is in for— reinvest this money, whether that is in for example — reinvest this money, whether that is in for example a _ reinvest this money, whether that is in for example a lecture _ reinvest this money, whether that is in for example a lecture finder- in for example a lecture finder sites. — in for example a lecture finder sites, decommissioning - in for example a lecture finder sites, decommissioning the i in for example a lecture finder. sites, decommissioning the site, will actually _ sites, decommissioning the site, will actually get _ sites, decommissioning the site, will actually get money - sites, decommissioning the site, will actually get money back. - sites, decommissioning the site, i will actually get money back. that allowance — will actually get money back. that allowance is — will actually get money back. that allowance is very— will actually get money back. that allowance is very high. _ will actually get money back. that allowance is very high. so - will actually get money back. that allowance is very high. so much . will actually get money back. thati allowance is very high. so much so that for— allowance is very high. so much so that for every— allowance is very high. so much so that for every £1— allowance is very high. so much so that for every £1they_ allowance is very high. so much so that for every £1 they invest, - that for every £1 they invest, potentially _ that for every £1 they invest, potentially they _ that for every £1 they invest, potentially they are - that for every £1 they invest, potentially they are getting i that for every £1 they invest, i potentially they are getting 91 payback _ potentially they are getting 91 payback. they— potentially they are getting 91 payback. they are _ potentially they are getting 91 payback. they are left - potentially they are getting 91 payback. they are left intact i potentially they are getting 91. payback. they are left intact 9p potentially they are getting 91 - payback. they are left intact 9p in every _ payback. they are left intact 9p in every pound~ _ payback. they are left intact 9p in every pound. ultimately, - payback. they are left intact 9p in every pound. ultimately, that - payback. they are left intact 9p in i every pound. ultimately, that money being _ every pound. ultimately, that money being invested — every pound. ultimately, that money being invested is _ every pound. ultimately, that money being invested is being _ every pound. ultimately, that money being invested is being invested - being invested is being invested into the — being invested is being invested into the uk_ being invested is being invested into the uk but— being invested is being invested into the uk but it— being invested is being invested into the uk but it means- being invested is being invested into the uk but it means that i being invested is being investedl into the uk but it means that the government— into the uk but it means that the government and _ into the uk but it means that the government and the _ into the uk but it means that the government and the treasury- into the uk but it means that the| government and the treasury has into the uk but it means that the - government and the treasury has less control— government and the treasury has less control over _ government and the treasury has less control over where _ government and the treasury has less control over where that— government and the treasury has less control over where that money- government and the treasury has less control over where that money is - control over where that money is spent _ control over where that money is spent for— control over where that money is spent. for example, _ control over where that money is spent. for example, they- control over where that money is spent. for example, they don't i control over where that money is . spent. for example, they don't get put that— spent. for example, they don't get put that nroney_ spent. for example, they don't get put that money into _ spent. for example, they don't get put that money into the _ spent. for example, they don't get put that money into the nhs, - spent. for example, they don't get put that money into the nhs, intol put that money into the nhs, into schools _ put that money into the nhs, into schools or— put that money into the nhs, into schools or other— put that money into the nhs, into schools or other things _ put that money into the nhs, into schools or other things that - put that money into the nhs, into schools or other things that may i schools or other things that may have _ schools or other things that may have demand _ schools or other things that may have demand on— schools or other things that may have demand on the _ schools or other things that may. have demand on the government. schools or other things that may - have demand on the government. that money— have demand on the government. that money is _ have demand on the government. that money is very— have demand on the government. that money is very much _ have demand on the government. that money is very much being _ money is very much being concentrated _ money is very much being concentrated in _ money is very much being concentrated in the - money is very much being concentrated in the area l money is very much being i concentrated in the area of money is very much being - concentrated in the area of oil and gas, _ concentrated in the area of oil and gas, which — concentrated in the area of oil and gas, which is _ concentrated in the area of oil and gas, which is an— concentrated in the area of oil and gas, which is an issue _ concentrated in the area of oil and gas, which is an issue that- concentrated in the area of oil and gas, which is an issue that has-
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concentrated in the area of oil and i gas, which is an issue that has been brought— gas, which is an issue that has been brought up— gas, which is an issue that has been brought up by— gas, which is an issue that has been brought up by campaigners- gas, which is an issue that has been brought up by campaigners and - brought up by campaigners and opposition— brought up by campaigners and opposition mps _ brought up by campaigners and opposition mps with _ brought up by campaigners and opposition mps with the - brought up by campaigners and| opposition mps with the current brought up by campaigners and - opposition mps with the current tax regime _ opposition mps with the current tax regime for— opposition mps with the current tax regime for these _ opposition mps with the current tax regime for these companies. - opposition mps with the current tax regime for these companies. i- opposition mps with the current tax regime for these companies.- regime for these companies. i have another question, _ regime for these companies. i have another question, that _ regime for these companies. i have another question, that relates - regime for these companies. i have another question, that relates to i another question, that relates to how today's decision might change in the future where the uk gets its energy from. we have touched on this but i will read out the question, the question is, well this mean an end to reliance on unstable and hostile countries for our energy requirements and a drop to petrol prices. if so, yes, bring it on. otherwise, why are we even exploring this option? this otherwise, why are we even exploring this otion? , _, , .,' . ,, this option? this comes off the back ofthe this option? this comes off the back of the ukraine _ this option? this comes off the back of the ukraine invasion _ this option? this comes off the back of the ukraine invasion by _ this option? this comes off the back of the ukraine invasion by russia - of the ukraine invasion by russia and the — of the ukraine invasion by russia and the impact— of the ukraine invasion by russia and the impact that _ of the ukraine invasion by russia and the impact that that - of the ukraine invasion by russia and the impact that that had - of the ukraine invasion by russia and the impact that that had on. of the ukraine invasion by russia i and the impact that that had on gas supply— and the impact that that had on gas supply and — and the impact that that had on gas supply and gas— and the impact that that had on gas supply and gas prices. _ and the impact that that had on gas supply and gas prices. when - and the impact that that had on gas supply and gas prices. when that i supply and gas prices. when that happened — supply and gas prices. when that happened last _ supply and gas prices. when that happened last year, _ supply and gas prices. when that happened last year, europe - supply and gas prices. when that happened last year, europe and. supply and gas prices. when that. happened last year, europe and the uk and _ happened last year, europe and the uk and other— happened last year, europe and the uk and other countries _ happened last year, europe and the uk and other countries made - happened last year, europe and the uk and other countries made a - happened last year, europe and the uk and other countries made a bigl uk and other countries made a big push _ uk and other countries made a big push to— uk and other countries made a big push to move _ uk and other countries made a big push to move away _ uk and other countries made a big push to move away from _
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uk and other countries made a big push to move away from their- push to move away from their dependence _ push to move away from their dependence on— push to move away from their dependence on russian- push to move away from their dependence on russian oil. push to move away from theirl dependence on russian oil and push to move away from their- dependence on russian oil and gas. effectively. — dependence on russian oil and gas. effectively, now, _ dependence on russian oil and gas. effectively, now, a _ dependence on russian oil and gas. effectively, now, a lot _ dependence on russian oil and gas. effectively, now, a lot more - dependence on russian oil and gas. effectively, now, a lot more oil- dependence on russian oil and gas. effectively, now, a lot more oil and| effectively, now, a lot more oil and -as effectively, now, a lot more oil and gas is _ effectively, now, a lot more oil and gas is traded — effectively, now, a lot more oil and gas is traded between _ effectively, now, a lot more oil and gas is traded between friendly- gas is traded between friendly states, — gas is traded between friendly states, if— gas is traded between friendly states, if you _ gas is traded between friendly states, if you like, _ gas is traded between friendly states, if you like, with- gas is traded between friendly states, if you like, with our. gas is traded between friendly- states, if you like, with our energy supply— states, if you like, with our energy supply is— states, if you like, with our energy supply is going _ states, if you like, with our energy supply is going to— states, if you like, with our energy supply is going to europe, - states, if you like, with our energy supply is going to europe, to- states, if you like, with our energy supply is going to europe, to the l states, if you like, with our energy. supply is going to europe, to the us and vice _ supply is going to europe, to the us and vice versa. _ supply is going to europe, to the us and vice versa, back— supply is going to europe, to the us and vice versa, back and _ supply is going to europe, to the us and vice versa, back and forth. - supply is going to europe, to the us and vice versa, back and forth. as . and vice versa, back and forth. as has already— and vice versa, back and forth. as has already been _ and vice versa, back and forth. as has already been mentioned, - and vice versa, back and forth. as has already been mentioned, we i and vice versa, back and forth. as - has already been mentioned, we don't have control— has already been mentioned, we don't have control over— has already been mentioned, we don't have control over oil— has already been mentioned, we don't have control over oil and _ has already been mentioned, we don't have control over oil and gas- have control over oil and gas extracted _ have control over oil and gas extracted in— have control over oil and gas extracted in the _ have control over oil and gas extracted in the uk, - have control over oil and gas extracted in the uk, it - have control over oil and gas extracted in the uk, it is - have control over oil and gas extracted in the uk, it is a l have control over oil and gas. extracted in the uk, it is a free market. — extracted in the uk, it is a free market. it _ extracted in the uk, it is a free market, it goes _ extracted in the uk, it is a free market, it goes to _ extracted in the uk, it is a free market, it goes to the - extracted in the uk, it is a free market, it goes to the free - extracted in the uk, it is a free - market, it goes to the free market. the argument — market, it goes to the free market. the argument might— market, it goes to the free market. the argument might be _ market, it goes to the free market. the argument might be that - market, it goes to the free market. the argument might be that it- market, it goes to the free market. the argument might be that it goes to friendlier — the argument might be that it goes to friendlier states— the argument might be that it goes to friendlier states and _ the argument might be that it goes to friendlier states and it _ the argument might be that it goes to friendlier states and it means - the argument might be that it goes to friendlier states and it means we are contributing _ to friendlier states and it means we are contributing to _ to friendlier states and it means we are contributing to that. _ to friendlier states and it means we are contributing to that. however, i are contributing to that. however, the amount— are contributing to that. however, the amount of— are contributing to that. however, the amount of oil— are contributing to that. however, the amount of oil and _ are contributing to that. however, the amount of oil and gas- are contributing to that. however, the amount of oil and gas being. the amount of oil and gas being produced — the amount of oil and gas being produced from _ the amount of oil and gas being produced from the _ the amount of oil and gas being produced from the site - the amount of oil and gas being produced from the site is- the amount of oil and gas being i produced from the site is unlikely to have _ produced from the site is unlikely to have any— produced from the site is unlikely to have any marginal— produced from the site is unlikely to have any marginal difference . produced from the site is unlikelyl to have any marginal difference on prices _ to have any marginal difference on prices because _ to have any marginal difference on prices because it's _ to have any marginal difference on prices because it's so _ to have any marginal difference on prices because it's so small- prices because it's so small relative _ prices because it's so small relative to— prices because it's so small relative to the _ prices because it's so small relative to the overall - prices because it's so small. relative to the overall supply. prices because it's so small- relative to the overall supply. one argument — relative to the overall supply. one argument has _ relative to the overall supply. one argument has been _ relative to the overall supply. one argument has been made - relative to the overall supply. one argument has been made it- relative to the overall supply. one argument has been made it will. relative to the overall supply. one . argument has been made it will help with the _ argument has been made it will help with the oil— argument has been made it will help with the oil and _ argument has been made it will help with the oil and gas _ argument has been made it will help with the oil and gas produced - argument has been made it will help with the oil and gas produced here . with the oil and gas produced here at this— with the oil and gas produced here at this site — with the oil and gas produced here at this site has _ with the oil and gas produced here at this site has slightly— with the oil and gas produced here at this site has slightly lower - at this site has slightly lower emissions _ at this site has slightly lower emissions in _ at this site has slightly lower emissions in the _ at this site has slightly lower emissions in the production. at this site has slightly lower - emissions in the production process than for— emissions in the production process than for example, _ emissions in the production process than for example, my _ emissions in the production process than for example, my own - emissions in the production process than for example, my own gas - emissions in the production process than for example, my own gas is i than for example, my own gas is produced — than for example, my own gas is produced elsewhere _ than for example, my own gas is produced elsewhere in— than for example, my own gas is produced elsewhere in the - than for example, my own gas is produced elsewhere in the worldj than for example, my own gas is - produced elsewhere in the world but that is— produced elsewhere in the world but that is very— produced elsewhere in the world but that is very small— produced elsewhere in the world but that is very small when _ produced elsewhere in the world but that is very small when you - produced elsewhere in the world but that is very small when you look - produced elsewhere in the world but that is very small when you look at i that is very small when you look at the overall— that is very small when you look at the overall emissions, _ that is very small when you look at the overall emissions, for- that is very small when you look atj the overall emissions, for example burning _
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the overall emissions, for example burning in — the overall emissions, for example burning in your— the overall emissions, for example burning in your car, _ the overall emissions, for example burning in your car, and _ the overall emissions, for example burning in your car, and your- the overall emissions, for example burning in your car, and your oil. burning in your car, and your oil heater— burning in your car, and your oil heater at— burning in your car, and your oil heater at home. _ burning in your car, and your oil heater at home.— burning in your car, and your oil heater at home. ., , .. ., heater at home. douglas, can i throw that question — heater at home. douglas, can i throw that question to _ heater at home. douglas, can i throw that question to you _ heater at home. douglas, can i throw that question to you as _ heater at home. douglas, can i throw that question to you as well. - heater at home. douglas, can i throw that question to you as well. well - that question to you as well. well today's decision mean an end to reliance too unstable and hostile countries for our energy requirements?- countries for our energy requirements? countries for our energy reauirements? ., . , requirements? the more sources there are far energy. — requirements? the more sources there are far energy. the _ requirements? the more sources there are far energy, the less _ requirements? the more sources there are far energy, the less dependent - are far energy, the less dependent we are in any one source. if you go back to 1973, there was a blockade of oil, refusal to sell oil to countries, dispute over israel at the time. that change a lot of politics, it pushed up the price very detachably of oil. it meant there was a higher price and with new technology and offshore drilling, a lot more producers came onto the market. as the industry effectively winds down, partly
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because fields are getting mpo, partly because the pressure, the international player to use —— the international player to use —— the international pressure to use less. very much people don't want but the demand is going to remain there for decades. that is going to come more often, according to the industry, countries like russia and saudi and other countries that are not particularly stable or friendly to us, not necessarily staying that way for the next two decades. so a diverse source of supply is going to be important. but also a diverse source of energy will be important. turning to that point that if we have notjust wind power, onshore and offshore but tidal power, more solar power in the uk and some would
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argue, but it is also controversial, argue, but it is also controversial, a new generation of nuclear, then we have a diversity that will mean less reliance on exporters of fossil fuels. i reliance on exporters of fossil fuels. , ., ., , , reliance on exporters of fossil fuels. , ., , ., ., fuels. i 'ust want to briefly go to hear fuels. i just want to briefly go to hear from _ fuels. i just want to briefly go to hear from the _ fuels. i just want to briefly go to hear from the environmental - fuels. i just want to briefly go to - hear from the environmental lawyer, a group to try and choose legal avenues are stocks going ahead. this is a hue avenues are stocks going ahead. “in 3 is a huge mistake. the uk publicly not stand to benefit from this field. �* , ., ., ., a not stand to benefit from this field. �* , ., ., ., ., field. i'm 'ust going to ask one ruestion field. i'm just going to ask one question to — field. i'm just going to ask one question to tony. _ field. i'm just going to ask one question to tony. this - field. i'm just going to ask one question to tony. this is - field. i'm just going to ask one question to tony. this is from | question to tony. this is from juliet. she says, i think the voting age should be lowered to 16 on climate issues. let the people who suffer the long term and implications have a say in this. what do you think? where do we go
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forward for those who might not be happy about this decision? i forward for those who might not be happy about this decision?- happy about this decision? i hope it's not a done _ happy about this decision? i hope it's not a done deal. _ happy about this decision? i hope it's not a done deal. i _ happy about this decision? i hope it's not a done deal. i think- happy about this decision? i hope it's not a done deal. i think we i it's not a done deal. i think we need _ it's not a done deal. i think we need to— it's not a done deal. i think we need to make sure that everybody when _ need to make sure that everybody when they— need to make sure that everybody when they passed their vote in the next general election next year or whenever. — next general election next year or whenever, is taking climate change is one _ whenever, is taking climate change is one of— whenever, is taking climate change is one of the key issue. it's not just— is one of the key issue. it's not just about _ is one of the key issue. it's not just about climate emissions, it's also about— just about climate emissions, it's also about green growth. the action we need _ also about green growth. the action we need to— also about green growth. the action we need to take to cut climate emissions _ we need to take to cut climate emissions is the action we need to take to _ emissions is the action we need to take to create jobs and to cut bills for households. we can do all three at the _ for households. we can do all three at the same — for households. we can do all three at the same time and those other things— at the same time and those other things that we need to make sure that all— things that we need to make sure that all political parties are committing to a head of the general election _ committing to a head of the general election. and that way, people can have a _ election. and that way, people can have a genuine climate vote. douglas. _ have a genuine climate vote. douglas, what would you have to say to that? looking ahead to the next general election, do you think today's decision might feature in the run—up to the election? it today's decision might feature in the run-up to the election? it has become a — the run-up to the election? it has
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become a big _ the run-up to the election? it has become a big debating _ the run-up to the election? it has become a big debating issue, - become a big debating issue, particularly between conservative and labour. therefore, it will be a very big issue in that election. with labour taking a much stronger anti—oil and gas position, not wanting to publish new licences for drilling in uk waters but willing to accept the licenses such as today's being granted and see them continue. because britain needs to maintain its position as a safe place. the tories have moved away from the position that borisjohnson was in as prime minister which was very much against new licensing, the decision particularly since the russian invasion of ukraine. they reckon they are going to have roughly 100 licences granted. this is a very one granted today. a couple were granted in the last
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couple were granted in the last couple of weeks, smaller extensions, small reservoirs in the north see that can be plugged into the existing infrastructure. so we will get 100 licences by the time of the next election, labour will continue with that. it next election, labour will continue with that. , ~ next election, labour will continue with that. , ,, �*, with that. it sounds like it's certainly — with that. it sounds like it's certainly something - with that. it sounds like it's certainly something we'll i with that. it sounds like it's| certainly something we'll be discussing for quite some time. i just want to finish off this half hour by talking to you, esme, going back to our question from juliet, who says she thinks the voting age to be lowered to 16 on climate issues. she adds that over 3.6 billion pounds in fuel is exported from the uk to other countries. should energy and security or as its rishi sunak putting profits over people? rishi sunak putting profits over eo - le? ., rishi sunak putting profits over . eo . le? ., .,
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people? the government would certainly say — people? the government would certainly say they _ people? the government would certainly say they are _ people? the government would certainly say they are putting i certainly say they are putting people — certainly say they are putting people is _ certainly say they are putting people is first _ certainly say they are putting people is first in _ certainly say they are putting people is first in a _ certainly say they are putting people is first in a sense - certainly say they are putting j people is first in a sense that certainly say they are putting - people is first in a sense that this oil filled — people is first in a sense that this oil filled will _ people is first in a sense that this oil filled will be _ people is first in a sense that this oil filled will be providing - people is first in a sense that this oil filled will be providing jobs - oil filled will be providing jobs and potentially— oil filled will be providing jobs and potentially money - oil filled will be providing jobs and potentially money into . oil filled will be providing jobs| and potentially money into the treasury — and potentially money into the treasury. this _ and potentially money into the treasury. this whole _ and potentially money into the treasury. this whole concept l and potentially money into the i treasury. this whole concept over lowering — treasury. this whole concept over lowering the age, _ treasury. this whole concept over lowering the age, who _ treasury. this whole concept over lowering the age, who is- treasury. this whole concept over lowering the age, who is the - lowering the age, who is the conservative _ lowering the age, who is the conservative government. lowering the age, who is the - conservative government reaching out to? it _ conservative government reaching out to? it seems— conservative government reaching out to? it seems very— conservative government reaching out to? it seems very much _ conservative government reaching out to? it seems very much at _ conservative government reaching out to? it seems very much at this - conservative government reaching out to? it seems very much at this key- to? it seems very much at this key issue _ to? it seems very much at this key issue of— to? it seems very much at this key issue orobs— to? it seems very much at this key issue ofjobs and _ to? it seems very much at this key issue ofjobs and economic - to? it seems very much at this key| issue ofjobs and economic security are certainly— issue ofjobs and economic security are certainlya— issue ofjobs and economic security are certainly a priority _ issue ofjobs and economic security are certainly a priority for - issue ofjobs and economic security are certainly a priority for those - are certainly a priority for those swing _ are certainly a priority for those swing voters. _ are certainly a priority for those swing voters, those _ are certainly a priority for those swing voters, those voters - are certainly a priority for those swing voters, those voters we i are certainly a priority for those i swing voters, those voters we saw move _ swing voters, those voters we saw move over — swing voters, those voters we saw move over from _ swing voters, those voters we saw move over from labour— swing voters, those voters we saw move over from labour to- swing voters, those voters we saw move over from labour to the i move over from labour to the conservatives _ move over from labour to the conservatives in _ move over from labour to the conservatives in northern i move over from labour to the i conservatives in northern areas. where _ conservatives in northern areas. where is — conservatives in northern areas. where is the _ conservatives in northern areas. where is the argument - conservatives in northern areas. where is the argument from i conservatives in northern areas. where is the argument from the conservative _ where is the argument from the conservative government - where is the argument from the conservative government is- where is the argument from the conservative government is that those _ conservative government is that those young _ conservative government is that those young voters _ conservative government is that those young voters potentially. conservative government is that l those young voters potentially are already— those young voters potentially are already supportive _ those young voters potentially are already supportive of— those young voters potentially are already supportive of labour- those young voters potentially are already supportive of labour and i already supportive of labour and their— already supportive of labour and their green— already supportive of labour and their green policies. _ already supportive of labour and their green policies. so - already supportive of labour and their green policies. so who i already supportive of labour and their green policies. so who are i their green policies. so who are those _ their green policies. so who are those policies _ their green policies. so who are those policies trying _ their green policies. so who are those policies trying to - their green policies. so who are j those policies trying to benefit? their green policies. so who are i those policies trying to benefit? no doubt, _ those policies trying to benefit? no doubt, this— those policies trying to benefit? no doubt, this wru— those policies trying to benefit? no doubt, this will be _ those policies trying to benefit? no doubt, this will be an _ those policies trying to benefit? no doubt, this will be an ongoing i doubt, this will be an ongoing debate — doubt, this will be an ongoing debate the _ doubt, this will be an ongoing debate the next _ doubt, this will be an ongoing debate the next year. - doubt, this will be an ongoing debate the next year. just i debate the next year. just mentioning _ debate the next year. just mentioning there - debate the next year. just mentioning there about i debate the next year. just. mentioning there about the debate the next year. just i mentioning there about the fact debate the next year. just _ mentioning there about the fact that labour— mentioning there about the fact that labour won't — mentioning there about the fact that labour won't reverse _ mentioning there about the fact that labour won't reverse the _ mentioning there about the fact that labour won't reverse the decision, l labour won't reverse the decision, in some _ labour won't reverse the decision, in some ways, _ labour won't reverse the decision, in some ways, it— labour won't reverse the decision, in some ways, it makes— labour won't reverse the decision, in some ways, it makes it - labour won't reverse the decision, in some ways, it makes it easier. labour won't reverse the decision, i in some ways, it makes it easier for them _ in some ways, it makes it easier for them that— in some ways, it makes it easier for them that they _ in some ways, it makes it easier for them that they don't _ in some ways, it makes it easier for them that they don't have _ in some ways, it makes it easier for them that they don't have to - in some ways, it makes it easier for them that they don't have to come i them that they don't have to come out and _ them that they don't have to come out and have — them that they don't have to come out and have a _ them that they don't have to come out and have a different _ them that they don't have to come out and have a different policy i them that they don't have to come out and have a different policy and j out and have a different policy and say they— out and have a different policy and say they will — out and have a different policy and say they will reverse _ out and have a different policy and say they will reverse this - out and have a different policy and say they will reverse this decision i say they will reverse this decision but certainly _ say they will reverse this decision but certainly they— say they will reverse this decision but certainly they are _ say they will reverse this decision but certainly they are a _ say they will reverse this decision but certainly they are a lot - say they will reverse this decisionj but certainly they are a lot clearer may be _ but certainly they are a lot clearer may be more _ but certainly they are a lot clearer may be more strict— but certainly they are a lot clearer may be more strict on—
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but certainly they are a lot clearer may be more strict on what - but certainly they are a lot clearer may be more strict on what they i may be more strict on what they expect— may be more strict on what they expect to — may be more strict on what they expect to see _ may be more strict on what they expect to see from _ may be more strict on what they expect to see from their - may be more strict on what they expect to see from their green l expect to see from their green policies — expect to see from their green policies they— expect to see from their green policies they were _ expect to see from their green policies they were keen - expect to see from their green policies they were keen for- expect to see from their green i policies they were keen for making that they— policies they were keen for making that they phase _ policies they were keen for making that they phase out _ policies they were keen for making that they phase out fossil- policies they were keen for making that they phase out fossil fuel i policies they were keen for making that they phase out fossil fuel or. that they phase out fossil fuel or petrol— that they phase out fossil fuel or petrol and — that they phase out fossil fuel or petrol and diesel— that they phase out fossil fuel or petrol and diesel cars— that they phase out fossil fuel or petrol and diesel cars was - that they phase out fossil fuel or petrol and diesel cars was cut i that they phase out fossil fuel or petrol and diesel cars was cut to| petrol and diesel cars was cut to 2030 _ petrol and diesel cars was cut to 2030 three _ petrol and diesel cars was cut to 2030 three are _ petrol and diesel cars was cut to 2030 three are starting - petrol and diesel cars was cut to 2030 three are starting to - petrol and diesel cars was cut to 2030 three are starting to see l petrol and diesel cars was cut to i 2030 three are starting to see more they'd _ 2030 three are starting to see more they'd die _ 2030 three are starting to see more they'd die ventures _ 2030 three are starting to see more they'd die ventures in _ 2030 three are starting to see more they'd die ventures in terms - 2030 three are starting to see more they'd die ventures in terms of- they'd die ventures in terms of attitudes— they'd die ventures in terms of attitudes to _ they'd die ventures in terms of attitudes to green _ they'd die ventures in terms of attitudes to green policies i they'd die ventures in terms of- attitudes to green policies between the conservative _ attitudes to green policies between the conservative government- attitudes to green policies between the conservative government and l attitudes to green policies between l the conservative government and the labour— the conservative government and the labour opposition. _ the conservative government and the labour opposition.— labour opposition. thank you very much, labour opposition. thank you very much. esme _ labour opposition. thank you very much, esme for— labour opposition. thank you very much, esme for taking _ labour opposition. thank you very much, esme for taking us - labour opposition. thank you very much, esme for taking us through j much, esme for taking us through that. really fascinating group of questions we have had today from listeners submitting questions via whatsapp and sending questions over e—mail. say thank you to everybody who sent in questions. it really is good to hear from everybody. who sent in questions. it really is good to hearfrom everybody. thank you to our three guests. if you are interested in this decision made by the uk regulator to date to develop
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