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and while punk was only a brief part of his life, its spirit lived on in much of his work and campaigns. but times change. what was in 1977, seen as a symbol of a threat to the nation's values was, a0 years later, on display at the national portrait gallary. # god save the queen. the artistjamie reid, who's died, at the age, of 76. time for a look at the weather, here's louise lear. it is all about heat and wildfires dominating world stories and be seen the heat wave her return across iberia and in andalusia this afternoon we so 44 degrees, iii fahrenheit. afternoon we so 44 degrees, 111 fahrenheit-— afternoon we so lulu degrees, 111 fahrenheit. ~ . ., ,, .,
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fahrenheit. we are tapping into some ofthat fahrenheit. we are tapping into some of that heat- — fahrenheit. we are tapping into some of that heat. it _ fahrenheit. we are tapping into some of that heat. it has _ fahrenheit. we are tapping into some of that heat. it has been _ fahrenheit. we are tapping into some of that heat. it has been a _ fahrenheit. we are tapping into some of that heat. it has been a lovely - of that heat. it has been a lovely day for some of us, temperatures just under 26 degrees. tomorrow will be warmer, we could see 27, possibly 28 but more widespread warmth generally across the country. high pressure dominating the weather as we go through the night and into tomorrow. but this low pressure, it is heading in our direction. as we go through the early hours we are going to see clear skies for many, patchy mist and fog close to coastal areas, particularly in the south—west, that might be stubborn to lift as we saw this money. it will be increasingly mild and muggy, so a warm start tomorrow morning. lots of sunshine across england and wales. there will be some cloud coming and going through the day. hopefully that mist and fog lived in the south—western patchy cloud into northern ireland and northern scotland and just the outside chance of a rogue shower. it is all about
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the sunshine and the warmth tomorrow. a warm, humid afternoon with highs of 27 or 28 degrees for some of us. but the story will change as we go through the night. on friday morning we will see wet weather moving steadily northwards. this low pressure is not going to bring some heavy persistent rain, it moves after scotland, lingers in the northern isles, a south—westerly he faces a no—confidence vote tomorrow. he won't lose that vote, but questions are being asked how he can control this ethnic violence.
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we'll speak to a supporter of prime minister modi, an opposition politician, and a journalist. also tonight, sharon henderson, the mum of the seven—year—old sunderland schoolgirl who was murdered three decades ago tells us she feels guilt over her daughter's death, months after the child's killer was finally brought to justice, 31 years after the killing. and i cannot stop having nightmares about them and i keep saying to nikki, iwill about them and i keep saying to nikki, i will not let you down because i let you down once, letting you go down the stairs. and i have to live with that. and just four survivors as 41 migrants have died in a shipwreck off the italian island of lampedusa. we'll talk to a man who made a similar mediterranean journey — one of the deadliest migrant routes in the world. good evening. ethnic violence in a small hilly indian state has raised
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big questions about how prime minister narendra modi governs india's diverse ethnic communities and what he does when sectarian violence flares. essentially there appears to be a civil war in the east of india in a state called manipur as the two largest groups there battle over land and influence. the ethnic divide between the majority meitei group and the tribal kuki minority is bitter and deep. the two groups are livid at each other, divided and separated. more than 150 people have died and tens of thousands have been displaced since early may when ethnic clashes initially broke out. mr modi only publicly addressed the violence recently after a video that showed two women being paraded naked by a mob sparked global outrage. tomorrow mr modi faces a no—confidence vote brought by opposition parties over his handling of the tensions. here's emir.
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fiery scenes in india's parliament, marking the return of opposition leader rahul gandhi, accusing prime minister narendra modi of fanning the flames of ethnic violence in the state of manipur. translation:. you are set on burning the whole country, you through kerosene in manipur, you are set on burning the whole country. removed from parliament on charges of defaming the modi name, gandhi's supporters say it was a politically motivated case to silence the opposition. now his coalition is emboldened. the day's agenda, bringing a no—confidence motion in modi's bjp party. translation:. india's army can bring peace to in one day but you are not doing you want to kill the idea of india in manipur. ethnic violence has boiled over in india's eastern manipurstate, bursting into international awareness after a
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video from may went viral, showing a mob two women, raped and paraded naked through the streets. the women belonged to the mostly christian kuki minority group. with authorities failing to respond, locals tried to take justice into their own hands, going to home of one of those who allegedly abused the women, setting the house ablaze. it took the police two months to make the first arrest on allegations of gang rape only after national outrage. it has been in the throes of violence now for over 98 days, 160 people dead, 60,000 rendered homeless, 5000 houses burnt down and that includes light machine guns and ak—1t7s that have been looted from across 35 police stations in that state. they were violated, they were raped and the government only woke up after that. it comes to light that it was 78 days after this horrific crime, mr prime minister spoke 36 seconds on manipur and then of course he diverted the issue.
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translation: the manipur incident is shameful for any| civilised nation. _ incident is shameful for any a disgrace for the entire country. incident is shameful for any- i want to assure the nation no culprit will be spared. - what happened to the daughtersl of manipur can never be forgiven. a speech that came too little too late for the opposition. the manipur incident is the latest chapter in an india where the social fabric between its many religious and ethnic groups is tearing apart. mosques and other religious sites razed to the ground. critics say prime minister modi has backed an aggressive brand of hindu nationalism that has ignited sectarian violence in the country and the oppression of minority groups. if you were to compare india today to ten years ago it is an almost unrecognisable place.
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i mean, mass violence against muslims is a daily occurrence. isn't the reason this incident has angered so many in india because nationwide sectarian violence is turning communities against each other? what we have right now is a kind of a de facto hindhu nation in which those who are not hindus, like the kukis of manipur and muslims in the rest of the country, and christians in many parts of the country, are made to feel that they don't have the right to life and many other fundamental rights. a cycle of violence the opposition say they want to grow, they hope modi will come to poland to defend his record. this no—confidence motion against the government is not about numbers, this is not to topple the government. we were left with no choice, we cannot put the country on a void and expect things to be peaceful. people are going to crash, there is going to be a complete breakdown of law and order and that is what we are seeing in manipur. on thursday, the opposition
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bring their vote of confidence. the question they are asking is, will prime minister modi now find his voice? let's speak now to ghanshyam tiwari, an opposition an opposition politician in new delhi. his party is in a newly—formed opposition alliance of 26 parties that aims to take on mr modi's bjp party in the general election next year. and here in the studio is kuldeep singh shekhawat, president of the overseas friends of bjp and columnist amana begam from the news website the print. let me begin with you, kuldeep singh shekhawat pond is prime minister modi and his government missing in action when it comes to this violence?— action when it comes to this violence? �* y., , , ., ~ ., violence? are you speaking about maniur? violence? are you speaking about manipur? yes- — violence? are you speaking about manipur? yes. frankly _ violence? are you speaking about manipur? yes. frankly speaking, | violence? are you speaking about - manipur? yes. frankly speaking, many oor is an manipur? yes. frankly speaking, many poor is an old case and manipur violence is not from yesterday. it is from may. to _ violence is not from yesterday. it is from may. to have _ violence is not from yesterday. it is from may. to have been - violence is not from yesterday. it| is from may. to have been issues happening _ is from may. to have been issues happening and — is from may. to have been issues happening and honestly - is from may. to have been issues| happening and honestly speaking, is from may. to have been issues -
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happening and honestly speaking, law and order is an issue of state, not centre, a prime minister is not directly responsible for law and order situation. directly responsible for law and ordersituation. i directly responsible for law and order situation. i will put it this way, if something happens in scotland, is it rishi, the prime minister here, responsible for that? no. it is the bjp who run manipur sea would like to think that the minister modi... sea would like to think that the minister modi. . ._ sea would like to think that the minister modi. .. there is a security element involved. _ minister modi. .. there is a security element involved. and _ minister modi. .. there is a security element involved. and the - minister modi. .. there is a security - element involved. and the government is there to take action and action will be taken but yes, sectarian violence was an issue much earlier, and talk about the 70s and 80s, the whole of the north—east was in trouble. it has now been sorted out. really? hundreds being killed and tens of thousands displaced? that doesn't sound very sorted out. this ha--ened doesn't sound very sorted out. ti 3 happened recently only because there were some elements who started violence in the name of
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sectarianism. but i'll be honest with you, by minister modi himself has said he doesn't like what has happened. this has said he doesn't like what has ha ened. �* , has said he doesn't like what has hauened. �* , ., has said he doesn't like what has ha ened. r . , has said he doesn't like what has hauened. r . ., happened. as we heard, he spoke for about 36 seconds _ happened. as we heard, he spoke for about 36 seconds on _ happened. as we heard, he spoke for about 36 seconds on the _ happened. as we heard, he spoke for about 36 seconds on the subject. - about 36 seconds on the subject. lets bring in ghanshyam tiwari, thank you for being with us. how do you respond to that, but it's not really down to mr modi, he's got a lot else to do? i can't hear you, i'm so sorry, i think you may be muted. ,., ., g ., muted. good evening. my fellow anellists muted. good evening. my fellow panellists and _ muted. good evening. my fellow panellists and viewers _ muted. good evening. my fellow panellists and viewers plundered three _ panellists and viewers plundered three things are important the one is the _ three things are important the one is the prime list is the leader of the house — is the prime list is the leader of the house and with the nation wants to hear_ the house and with the nation wants to hear his _ the house and with the nation wants to hear his voice, when a state is faced _ to hear his voice, when a state is faced with — to hear his voice, when a state is faced with violence and terrible images — faced with violence and terrible images it— faced with violence and terrible images it with respect against violence — images it with respect against violence against women, it is important _ violence against women, it is important the nation hears from our prime _ important the nation hears from our prime minister. as it played out, there _ prime minister. as it played out, there was— prime minister. as it played out, there was some diversion in the way he addressed the press that his
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absence — he addressed the press that his absence in parliament is troublesome. was important that the opposition_ troublesome. was important that the opposition parties that represent the majority of voices in india because — the majority of voices in india because we are not a 2—party system, with a _ because we are not a 2—party system, with a multiparty system, in term of this year— with a multiparty system, in term of this year number of opposition were not in _ this year number of opposition were not in power represent the greater numher— not in power represent the greater number of— not in power represent the greater number of votes we have the conscience of the people. that may be so, conscience of the people. that may be so. sorry — conscience of the people. that may be so. sorry to _ conscience of the people. that may be so, sorry to interrupt, _ conscience of the people. that may be so, sorry to interrupt, but - conscience of the people. that may be so, sorry to interrupt, but mr i be so, sorry to interrupt, but mr modi will not lose this no—confidence vote tomorrow so what is the point of bringing the motion? that he understands that parliament, he is leader— that he understands that parliament, he is leader of the house can be response — he is leader of the house can be response to the parliament, and he assures— response to the parliament, and he assures the — response to the parliament, and he assures the parliament, the country and especially the women and children— and especially the women and children manipur that he is doing everything that a prime minister should _ everything that a prime minister should do to bring a state that is under— should do to bring a state that is under the — should do to bring a state that is under the rule of his own party, in which _ under the rule of his own party, in which he _ under the rule of his own party, in which he promised last year he has a 20 year— which he promised last year he has a 20 year plan — which he promised last year he has a 20 year plan for peace and progress, to bring _ 20 year plan for peace and progress, to bring that state into a functioning state, a state where peace _ functioning state, a state where peace can —
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functioning state, a state where peace can come back and communities can work— peace can come back and communities can work together. let peace can come back and communities can work together.— can work together. let me bring in amana iztegam- — can work together. let me bring in amana begam. how— can work together. let me bring in amana begam. how do _ can work together. let me bring in amana begam. how do you - can work together. let me bring in amana begam. how do you read i can work together. let me bring in - amana begam. how do you read what's going on? it amana begam. how do you read what's auoin on? , ., amana begam. how do you read what's auoin on? y., ., amana begam. how do you read what's uaoinon? ,., going on? if you ask me if the state should do better, _ going on? if you ask me if the state should do better, they _ going on? if you ask me if the state should do better, they should - going on? if you ask me if the state should do better, they should but l going on? if you ask me if the state should do better, they should but if you ask— should do better, they should but if you ask me — should do better, they should but if you ask me if— should do better, they should but if you ask me if it's _ should do better, they should but if you ask me if it's doomsday - should do better, they should but if you ask me if it's doomsday and - you ask me if it's doomsday and state _ you ask me if it's doomsday and state is — you ask me if it's doomsday and state is doing _ you ask me if it's doomsday and state is doing nothing, - you ask me if it's doomsday and state is doing nothing, i- you ask me if it's doomsday and state is doing nothing, i won't. state is doing nothing, iwon't agree — state is doing nothing, iwon't agree with _ state is doing nothing, iwon't agree with that. _ state is doing nothing, iwon't agree with that. if— state is doing nothing, iwon't agree with that. if you - state is doing nothing, iwon't agree with that. if you go - state is doing nothing, iwon't agree with that. if you go by i state is doing nothing, i won't. agree with that. if you go by the daytime — agree with that. if you go by the daytime fact, _ agree with that. if you go by the daytime fact, you _ agree with that. if you go by the daytime fact, you compare - agree with that. if you go by the daytime fact, you compare the i agree with that. if you go by the i daytime fact, you compare the past ten years. — daytime fact, you compare the past ten years. and— daytime fact, you compare the past ten years. and if— daytime fact, you compare the past ten years, and if you _ daytime fact, you compare the past ten years, and if you compare - daytime fact, you compare the past ten years, and if you compare this. ten years, and if you compare this government's— ten years, and if you compare this government's past— ten years, and if you compare this government's past ten _ ten years, and if you compare this government's past ten years, - ten years, and if you compare thisl government's past ten years, there has been — government's past ten years, there has been 68%— government's past ten years, there has been 68% decline _ government's past ten years, there has been 68% decline in _ government's past ten years, there has been 68% decline in the - has been 68% decline in the violence. _ has been 68% decline in the violence, violent— has been 68% decline in the violence, violent incident. . has been 68% decline in the - violence, violent incident. what i wanted _ violence, violent incident. what i wanted to— violence, violent incident. what i wanted to say— violence, violent incident. what i wanted to say is _ violence, violent incident. what i wanted to say is that _ violence, violent incident. what i wanted to say is that when - violence, violent incident. what ii wanted to say is that when we will see any— wanted to say is that when we will see any issue _ wanted to say is that when we will see any issue with _ wanted to say is that when we will see any issue with india, - wanted to say is that when we willl see any issue with india, especially when _ see any issue with india, especially when western _ see any issue with india, especially when western world _ see any issue with india, especially when western world sees - see any issue with india, especially when western world sees towards i when western world sees towards india. _ when western world sees towards india. they— when western world sees towards india. they have _ when western world sees towards india, they have to _ when western world sees towards india, they have to understand - when western world sees towards i india, they have to understand that india, they have to understand that india is— india, they have to understand that india is a _ india, they have to understand that india is a place _ india, they have to understand that india is a place six— india, they have to understand that india is a place six major— india, they have to understand that india is a place six major world - india is a place six major world faiths — india is a place six major world faiths and _ india is a place six major world faiths and we _ india is a place six major world faiths and we have _ india is a place six major world faiths and we have been - india is a place six major world faiths and we have been living | india is a place six major world i faiths and we have been living in that diversity _ faiths and we have been living in that diversity before _ faiths and we have been living in that diversity before west - that diversity before west understand _ that diversity before west understand what - that diversity before west understand what diversityj that diversity before west i understand what diversity is. that diversity before west - understand what diversity is. so painting — understand what diversity is. so painting the _ understand what diversity is. so painting the picture _ understand what diversity is. so painting the picture of- understand what diversity is. so painting the picture of india - understand what diversity is. so painting the picture of india likej painting the picture of india like this scenario _ painting the picture of india like this scenario of _ painting the picture of india like this scenario of doomsday, - painting the picture of india like i this scenario of doomsday, based painting the picture of india like - this scenario of doomsday, based on some _ this scenario of doomsday, based on some rights— this scenario of doomsday, based on some rights if— this scenario of doomsday, based on some rights if you _ this scenario of doomsday, based on some rights if you are _
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this scenario of doomsday, based on some rights if you are incident- some rights if you are incident is very— some rights if you are incident is very wrong — some rights if you are incident is very wrong very _ some rights if you are incident is very wrong very saddening - some rights if you are incident is very wrong very saddening thing | some rights if you are incident is. very wrong very saddening thing for me as _ very wrong very saddening thing for me as an— very wrong very saddening thing for me as an indian— very wrong very saddening thing for me as an indian muslim _ very wrong very saddening thing for me as an indian muslim i— very wrong very saddening thing for me as an indian muslim i would - very wrong very saddening thing fori me as an indian muslim i would say. i me as an indian muslim i would say. i understand — me as an indian muslim i would say. i understand that _ me as an indian muslim i would say. i understand that but _ me as an indian muslim i would say. i understand that but you _ me as an indian muslim i would say. i understand that but you will- me as an indian muslim i would say. i understand that but you will know. i understand that but you will know that critics of mr modi say his government's idea about hindu nationalism is to blame, the way he approaches hindu nationalism is to blame for polarisation in parts of the country. blame for polarisation in parts of the country-— blame for polarisation in parts of the count . ., �* the country. look, i won't say when we talk about _ the country. look, i won't say when we talk about hindu _ the country. look, i won't say when we talk about hindu nationalism - the country. look, i won't say when l we talk about hindu nationalism than an element— we talk about hindu nationalism than an element of— we talk about hindu nationalism than an element of identity— we talk about hindu nationalism than an element of identity of— we talk about hindu nationalism than an element of identity of hindu - we talk about hindu nationalism than an element of identity of hindu that. an element of identity of hindu that there _ an element of identity of hindu that there has— an element of identity of hindu that there has a — an element of identity of hindu that there has a multi _ an element of identity of hindu that there has a multi layer— an element of identity of hindu that there has a multi layer to _ an element of identity of hindu that there has a multi layer to it- there has a multi layer to it because _ there has a multi layer to it because some _ there has a multi layer to it because some time - there has a multi layer to it because some time when i there has a multi layer to it. because some time when we there has a multi layer to it- because some time when we talk there has a multi layer to it— because some time when we talk about hindu _ because some time when we talk about hindu it's— because some time when we talk about hindu it's also— because some time when we talk about hindu it's also about _ because some time when we talk about hindu it's also about hindu _ because some time when we talk about hindu it's also about hindu culture. - hindu it's also about hindu culture. india _ hindu it's also about hindu culture. india has— hindu it's also about hindu culture. india has been— hindu it's also about hindu culture. india has been the _ hindu it's also about hindu culture. india has been the land _ hindu it's also about hindu culture. india has been the land of- hindu it's also about hindu culture. india has been the land of the - hindu it's also about hindu culture. i india has been the land of the hindu culture, _ india has been the land of the hindu culture, most— india has been the land of the hindu culture, most of— india has been the land of the hindu culture, most of the _ india has been the land of the hindu culture, most of the indian- india has been the land of the hindu culture, most of the indian muslim. culture, most of the indian muslim like me. _ culture, most of the indian muslim like me. we — culture, most of the indian muslim like me. we at— culture, most of the indian muslim like me, we at some _ culture, most of the indian muslim like me, we at some point - culture, most of the indian muslim like me, we at some point was - culture, most of the indian muslim . like me, we at some point was hindu and we _ like me, we at some point was hindu and we have — like me, we at some point was hindu and we have converted _ like me, we at some point was hindu and we have converted our— like me, we at some point was hindu and we have converted our ancestorsj and we have converted our ancestors so we _ and we have converted our ancestors so we have _ and we have converted our ancestors so we have to — and we have converted our ancestors so we have to accept _ and we have converted our ancestors so we have to accept that _ and we have converted our ancestors so we have to accept that reality, - so we have to accept that reality, that's _ so we have to accept that reality, that's it — so we have to accept that reality, that's it and _ so we have to accept that reality, that's it. and when _ so we have to accept that reality, that's it. and when we _ so we have to accept that reality, that's it. and when we talk - so we have to accept that reality, that's it. and when we talk about| that's it. and when we talk about the muslim — that's it. and when we talk about the muslim issue, _ that's it. and when we talk about the muslim issue, i— that's it. and when we talk about the muslim issue, i have - that's it. and when we talk about the muslim issue, i have so - that's it. and when we talk about| the muslim issue, i have so much problem — the muslim issue, i have so much problem again _ the muslim issue, i have so much problem again and _ the muslim issue, i have so much problem again and again - the muslim issue, i have so much problem again and again listening that there — problem again and again listening that there is — problem again and again listening that there is a _ problem again and again listening that there is a genocide _ problem again and again listening that there is a genocide going - problem again and again listening that there is a genocide going onl problem again and again listening i that there is a genocide going on in india _ that there is a genocide going on in india of— that there is a genocide going on in india of muslims _ that there is a genocide going on in india of muslims being _ that there is a genocide going on in india of muslims being as - that there is a genocide going on in
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india of muslims being as an- that there is a genocide going on in india of muslims being as an indianj india of muslims being as an indian muslim. _ india of muslims being as an indian muslim. i_ india of muslims being as an indian muslim. ifeel— india of muslims being as an indian muslim, i feel blessed _ india of muslims being as an indian muslim, i feel blessed and - india of muslims being as an indian muslim, i feel blessed and born . india of muslims being as an indian muslim, i feel blessed and born inl muslim, i feel blessed and born in india _ muslim, i feel blessed and born in india because _ muslim, i feel blessed and born in india because imagine _ muslim, i feel blessed and born in india because imagine being - muslim, i feel blessed and born in india because imagine being bornl muslim, i feel blessed and born in. india because imagine being born in a muslim _ india because imagine being born in a muslim majority— india because imagine being born in a muslim majority country, - india because imagine being born in a muslim majority country, the - india because imagine being born in a muslim majority country, the kindj a muslim majority country, the kind of freedom — a muslim majority country, the kind of freedom i— a muslim majority country, the kind of freedom i have _ a muslim majority country, the kind of freedom i have any _ a muslim majority country, the kind of freedom i have any secular- of freedom i have any secular nation, — of freedom i have any secular nation, wouldn't _ of freedom i have any secular nation, wouldn't have - of freedom i have any secular nation, wouldn't have their. i of freedom i have any secular. nation, wouldn't have their. let of freedom i have any secular nation, wouldn't have their. let me brina in nation, wouldn't have their. let me bring in kuldeep — nation, wouldn't have their. let me bring in kuldeep singh _ nation, wouldn't have their. let me bring in kuldeep singh shekhawat l bring in kuldeep singh shekhawat again. the prime minister is accused by critics of marginalising minorities and they say that in turn fuelled ethnic violence. how do you respond to that? first fuelled ethnic violence. how do you respond to that?— respond to that? first of all, since rime list respond to that? first of all, since prime list has _ respond to that? first of all, since prime list has come _ respond to that? first of all, since prime list has come in _ respond to that? first of all, since prime list has come in power- respond to that? first of all, since l prime list has come in power ethnic violence has reduced in india, completely gone —— since prime minister modi. it’s completely gone -- since prime minister modi._ completely gone -- since prime minister modi. it's not completely one, has minister modi. it's not completely gene. has it? _ minister modi. it's not completely gone, has it? it's— minister modi. it's not completely gone, has it? it's completely - minister modi. it's not completely| gone, has it? it's completely gone ond wh gone, has it? it's completely gone pond why l'm _ gone, has it? it's completely gone pond why l'm saying _ gone, has it? it's completely gone pond why i'm saying so, _ gone, has it? it's completely gone pond why i'm saying so, if- gone, has it? it's completely gone pond why i'm saying so, if you - gone, has it? it's completely gone | pond why i'm saying so, if you look at the last nine and a half years when prime minister modi has ruled india, there are no rights in graduates. there are no rights in you people do those other two states were writing was phenomenal, too much of violence in these states and that has completely gone. [30 much of violence in these states and that has completely gone.—
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that has completely gone. do you acce -t that has completely gone. do you accept that. _ that has completely gone. do you accept that, mr _ that has completely gone. do you accept that, mr tiwari? _ that has completely gone. do you accept that, mr tiwari? maybe . that has completely gone. do you i accept that, mr tiwari? maybe they are lookin: accept that, mr tiwari? maybe they are looking at _ accept that, mr tiwari? maybe they are looking at india _ accept that, mr tiwari? maybe they are looking at india through - accept that, mr tiwari? maybe they are looking at india through some i are looking at india through some videos _ are looking at india through some videos they have received, but the reality— videos they have received, but the reality is _ videos they have received, but the reality is that they were two micro dialogues— reality is that they were two micro dialogues happening, one is india which _ dialogues happening, one is india which is _ dialogues happening, one is india which is strong but the voices of people — which is strong but the voices of people are — which is strong but the voices of people are not fully represented and then there _ people are not fully represented and then there is the dialogue that opposition is leading an india that is inclusive which has every voice represented and at the same goals of development pundits or anyone who simplifies _ development pundits or anyone who simplifies this, saying everything is glorious and the minorities and people _ is glorious and the minorities and people are — is glorious and the minorities and people are happy is looking at a limited — people are happy is looking at a limited picture. the reality is that the prime — limited picture. the reality is that the prime minister is responsible towards — the prime minister is responsible towards what is happening in manipur and tomorrow, as he speaks in parliament, we will place that responsibility on him.- parliament, we will place that responsibility on him. very briefly, what do you _ responsibility on him. very briefly, what do you want _ responsibility on him. very briefly, what do you want the _ responsibility on him. very briefly, what do you want the prime - responsibility on him. very briefly, i what do you want the prime minister to do now and i will ask our other gas but please be brief? it is important that the luppo
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people — it is important that the luppo people of manipur believe that the entire _ people of manipur believe that the entire country with them, as they fight _ entire country with them, as they fight violence, as they are displaced, and the administration will be _ displaced, and the administration will be seen without doing the right thin- will be seen without doing the right thing out of action. when the prime minister— thing out of action. when the prime minister speaks i hope that he will gather— minister speaks i hope that he will gather the parliament together and communicate that voice of peace to the people — communicate that voice of peace to the people of manipur. tiers; communicate that voice of peace to the people of manipur. very briefly, what do you — the people of manipur. very briefly, what do you want _ the people of manipur. very briefly, what do you want him _ the people of manipur. very briefly, what do you want him to _ the people of manipur. very briefly, what do you want him to do? - the people of manipur. very briefly, what do you want him to do? very l what do you want him to do? very focused, there _ what do you want him to do? very focused, there should _ what do you want him to do? - focused, there should be no violence, entire india should be... and the community should live in harmony. he is very, very focused on that part. and there are no issues about that also. muslim community in india, which is the largest minority we have, is living very peacefully and very peacefully in india for the last nine and a half years, and they feel secure. last nine and a half years, and they feel secure-— last nine and a half years, and they feel secure. last nine and a half years, and they i feel secure— l feel secure. same question to you? i will not build — feel secure. same question to you? i will not build a _ feel secure. same question to you? i will not build a black-and-white - will not build a black—and—white picture. — will not build a black—and—white picture. i— will not build a black—and—white picture, i would say i would have some _ picture, i would say i would have some criticism of this government, they could — some criticism of this government, they could have tackled the issue better— they could have tackled the issue better and i would expect our prime minister— better and i would expect our prime minister to — better and i would expect our prime minister to address this kind of issue _ minister to address this kind of issue and — minister to address this kind of issue and send a message of harmony
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and i issue and send a message of harmony and i would _ issue and send a message of harmony and i would like to add one more thing _ and i would like to add one more thing here, — and i would like to add one more thing here, very briefly, that when we talk— thing here, very briefly, that when we talk about this issue of kuki and meitei. _ we talk about this issue of kuki and meitei. we — we talk about this issue of kuki and meitei, we have a lot of organisations which present the community but we do not have an organisation where people from both community come together and talk about— community come together and talk about the _ community come together and talk about the issue, so we need a civil movement— about the issue, so we need a civil movement more than a political movement more than a political movement there.— movement more than a political movement there. thank you all very much for being _ movement there. thank you all very much for being with _ movement there. thank you all very much for being with us _ movement there. thank you all very much for being with us tonight. - lawyers for the mum of a seven—year—old girl murdered 30 years ago have written today to the chief constable of northumbria police, notifying them of their intention to sue the force over their failure to detect the schoolgirl�*s murderer for three decades. nikki allan disappeared while walking from her grandfather's flat to her own home just two floors down, one october evening in 1992. her body was found the next day in a derelict building. she'd been stabbed 37 times and bludgeoned over the head with a brick.
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a local man was acquitted for the killing in 1993 after a judge ruled his false confession was inadmissiable. in may this year, the man who did kill nikki — a paedophile called david boyd who lived doors away from the family on their council estate — was sentenced to life in prison. there's been a new development in the story today. we'll speak to sharon henderson's lawyer in a moment. first, i've been talking to ms henderson. she explained what sort of toll the last 31 years have taken on her, including not being able to look after her three other children in the weeks and months after nikki's death. she told me first that even with boyd's eventual conviction, she still can't rest. i don't feel as if i've gotten truejustice for nikki. why do you say that? because the way it was dealt with. all the way through the 31 years. and finding out at the court
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about that he was a convicted paedophile before nikki's murder, and he only lived three doors down from his grandparents, where she went missing. i want to find out what really went wrong in the case from the beginning. because i was always led to believe that i was told over and over again that they're not looking for anybody else. how do you feel you have been treated by the police in all this time? i was treated really bad, i think, because i was the one parent. the area i lived in... i didn't have any family support because i was brought up in care. i had my stepmum. after nikki's murder, it wasjust horrendous because i didn't have support. and i was drinking heavily and the medication i was on, i wasn't capable of looking after myself.
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and my daughters went into voluntary care. and that broke my heart. sorry. it's all right, sharon. don't have to say sorry. take your time. we can stop if you want to. i trusted people around us, the police. social services. i wasn't involved with social services before with my children, so these people, i really believed them and trusted them. and i knew i wasn't capable, like, of looking after my children. it was just sitting like a zombie, drinking all the time. crying for nikki. how did they make you feel?
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belittling us, like, and i, if i, like, questioned them, anything to do with the case, in the beginning, it was like they knew better, they were the law. and i didn't know the law. how do you feel you were treated by the media? in the beginning, really bad. in what way? because i found out that... everybody was saying to ignore rumours and things like that. it's hard when you live in a community and it's around you. there were rumours about you? yeah. what kind of rumours? that nikki was standing outside of a pub. that i was in three pubs at the same time. nikki was looking for me. it was, it was awful. so essentially suggesting that you were a bad mum? yeah. i've been told that there's some of the police told some of the press the rumours. really?
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yeah. so the lies about you, you say came from the police. the press wanted them confirming and they were confirming it. what kind of a toll would you say all of this has taken on you? oh, mentally it's. .. i've got mental health issues, post—traumatic stress disorder. i've been in and out of mental hospitals. i was just never... even, like, the doctor said he didn't believe it was in my head. he believed that this is what i wanted in life, to getjustice for nikki and trying to tell a doctor that the police is not listening to you. how have you kept going? i have the nightmares of what i felt when i found out what happened to nikki, her murder.
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and i cannot stop having nightmares about them. and i keep saying to nikki, "i'll not let you down, because i let you down once, letting her go down the stairs." and i have to live with that. do you genuinely believe you let nikki down? yeah. it was boyd. it was boyd who took her. if i'm going at the shop on a night and i see a little boy or little girl by themselves going in the shop, i'm worried sick, and i stand on the corner, watching them get back from off the road and that. because of my own guilt. will you ever get past that, do you think? no. david boyd, the man who was convicted this year, 31 years after the death, lived three doors down from nikki's grandfather's flat. he gave the police an alibi.
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he was never formally questioned, despite having a previous conviction where he grabbed a young girl and asked herfor a kiss. why do you think they didn't pick up on that, question him officially? i have been asking them for years. i says, there was a man that used to just stand, like, on the veranda on a night. and that's all i've done for years, asked about this person. have you had an apology from northumbria police? no. i've seen on the tv that he's said it to a room full ofjournalists, but not to me personally. you haven't had a letter in the post? no—one's called you ? nothing. do you want an apology? no. it's not good enough. and what's your message to the police force now? do yourjobs right, in the future. and give me answers, why nikki's case went so wrong all those years. what do you want now, then?
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true justice. i want nikki's case to be looked back into. because i believe there's still lots missing. and also i'm trying to make sure that notjust me, other families, that it doesn't happen to another family. it's happening too many times. can i ask you about nikki? what was she like? she was a lovely little girl. she just done normal things. used to go to sunday school. some things i can start to laugh at while i'm starting to grieve, because it's things that's all coming back to us. because i have got this space to think, now the killer's inside. i've made a little memorial thing, it's a little pond with little ducks, and plants and that
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round a plaque saying, "i love you, nikki." for my grandchildren and it helps. and it's lovely and i take photos and my youngest grandson, he's only three and he knows, he'll say it's nikki's garden. and my other grandaughters were brought up like that. and they help, they really help. because they know about nikki. they straighten the gravel and the plants and they say, "good night, nikki." northumbria police told us it wouldn't be appropriate to comment in relation to any intention to bring legal action against the force. let's talk now to lawyer harriet wistrich from the centre for women'sjustice. she is representing sharon henderson. thank you for being with us this evening and there has been a development today soon after a letter arrived from you sent to the
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police and crime commissioner for northumbria inviting her to carry out an northumbria inviting her to carry outan inquiry northumbria inviting her to carry out an inquiry into those failures? yes, i've asked for a meeting and she responded very quickly and is willing to meet with myself and sharon to discuss what we would like and as that item has shown us so powerfully, sharon needs answers, she needs to understand why this case was left for so long without a proper investigation, without going back to the original evidence that was there all along, and why she was dismissed as a single mum from a deprived, very deprived, area, somebody who was left pretty much unsupported and determined, despite that terrible, terrible experience and coping with and all the
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entrances into mental hospital that happened because she wasn't coping but she carried on determined to get justice for nikki and thatjustice doesn'tjust incorporate the meridia being finally convicted, which of course is very important, but it requires us to ask questions about what went so long. —— the murderer. sent another letter today to the chief constable of northumbria police because you are notifying them of an intention to sue for damages. the police might argue, look, boyd was eventually caught because of new dna techniques, it is going to be challenging, isn't it, for you? going to be challenging, isn't it, for ou? , ~ . , for you? the new dna techniques enabled was _ for you? the new dna techniques enabled was one _ for you? the new dna techniques enabled was one of _ for you? the new dna techniques enabled was one of the _ for you? the new dna techniques enabled was one of the features i for you? the new dna techniques i enabled was one of the features that enabled was one of the features that enabled his conviction but there were a whole range of other aspects of the evidence that were there all along. he lived three doors away, he
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had previous relevant convictions, he was somebody who was known to nikki because that was very important because she was seen being led away by somebody that she must have trusted, and a number of other features and he gave inconsistent accounts at the time when they did the door—to—door inquiries. now, if they had latched onto that instead of going after one suspect, forcing a confession from him, putting pressure on others to help build the case against the wrong person, and then when that man was acquitted because the confession was thrown out by the judge, the because the confession was thrown out by thejudge, the police portrayed it as sharon has described as, we are not looking for anyone else, and for years she was in this dark, dark place where she believed that somebody had got away with the
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killing and nothing could be done. it was when the law changed around double jeopardy, it was when the law changed around doublejeopardy, actually, that she began to think maybe there was a way forward and pushed and pushed and pushed. stand forward and pushed and pushed and ushed. �* . , forward and pushed and pushed and ushed. . . , ., pushed. and finally we heard in the interview sharon _ pushed. and finally we heard in the interview sharon henderson - pushed. and finally we heard in the interview sharon henderson saying| interview sharon henderson saying she has not received an apology from the police, not that she wants one anyway, our understanding is that the police have tried to reach out to her and that there is an opportunity for a meeting with a senior officer if she wants that? yes, and she said very clearly that is not really what she wants. i think her trust in the police has been so shattered over the many years and the way that she has been treated and the way that she has been dismissed in the way she has, that apology is meaningless, what she wants is a proper inquiry, answers and recognition, that, had thisjob being done properly, she would not have suffered so much in
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the way she did, her other daughters would not have suffered in the way they very much have come as a consequence of these historic failures that went on.- consequence of these historic failures that went on. thank you very much. _ failures that went on. thank you very much, harriet _ failures that went on. thank you very much, harriet wistrich. - from north africa across the mediterranean to europe, it's one of the deadliest migration routes in the world and today we learned 41 migrants have died in the waters off the italian island of lampedusa. a group of four survivors told rescuers that they had set off from sfax in tunisia, hoping to make it to italy but within hours their boat sank. lampedusa is no stranger to such tragedies. our reporter mike thompson reported from sfax in tunisia for newsnight back in june. remind us what it was like. sfax is a ci of remind us what it was like. sfax is a city of increasing _ remind us what it was like. sfax is a city of increasing tension - remind us what it was like. sfax is| a city of increasing tension between migrants and locals, fuelled by the thousands of migrants arrived in the city hoping to get a boat to europe.
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and injuly there were clashes and when that happened, around 1200 migrants were forcibly bused out of sfax and dumped in the desert without food or water. and it seems many locals i spoke to did not have much sympathy for them. if you listen to the words of this market trader i spoke to... i trader i spoke to... translation: i saw than the — trader i spoke to... translation: i saw than the other _ trader i spoke to... translation: i saw than the other day _ trader i spoke to... translation: i saw than the other day of _ trader i spoke to... translation: i saw than the other day of the - trader i spoke to... translation: i saw than the other day of the fish i saw than the other day of the fish market. _ saw than the other day of the fish market, they were stealing, the police _ market, they were stealing, the police arrested dampen can you imagine — police arrested dampen can you imagine that? the fish market point of the _ imagine that? the fish market point of the moving groups and they are troublemakers.— of the moving groups and they are troublemakers. 1800 migrants have died so far this _ troublemakers. 1800 migrants have died so far this year _ troublemakers. 1800 migrants have died so far this year and _ troublemakers. 1800 migrants have died so far this year and the - died so far this year and the evidence is there for all to see pond there is a graveyard in sfax which is pretty much full and there will be a new one and that will be dedicated solely for catering for migrants who die at sea. and these boats are part of the problem, these
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iron boats, rusting iron boats which can become death traps, very badly put together and often leaking and when it happens, unlike with a wooden boat, they are straight down. so why do people still come to this part of tunisia to try and make this journey despite those dangers? maw; journey despite those dangers? many --eole i journey despite those dangers? many people i spoke _ journey despite those dangers? many people i spoke to _ journey despite those dangers? many people i spoke to said _ journey despite those dangers? iu’iag'iy people i spoke to said theyjust had no future at home and they felt no option. that feeling has been fuelled by the policies against them in tunisia. and these people who we are about to see, they have all been evicted from their lodgings and sacked from theirjobs since a speech in february by the president... speech in february by the president. . ._ speech in february by the resident... , . ., president... these are migrants? indeed, president... these are migrants? indeed. yes- _ president... these are migrants? indeed, yes. the _ president... these are migrants? indeed, yes. the president - president... these are migrants? indeed, yes. the president wentl president... these are migrants? - indeed, yes. the president went into a racist thai raid around the people and since then, many had been attacked and abused —— a racist tirade. this man from sierra leone
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we are about to hear from told me what he had been experiencing. brute what he had been experiencing. we are suffering a lot, especially food and water~ — are suffering a lot, especially food and water. we don't have food, no water~ _ and water. we don't have food, no water~ if _ and water. we don't have food, no water~ if we — and water. we don't have food, no water. if we have water to cook or to drink, — water. if we have water to cook or to drink, you _ water. if we have water to cook or to drink, you need to go down by the beach— to drink, you need to go down by the beach area _ to drink, you need to go down by the beach area to fetch water. so we are suffering _ beach area to fetch water. so we are suffering a _ beach area to fetch water. so we are suffering a lot. and beach area to fetch water. so we are suffering a lot-— suffering a lot. and part of the fierce as he — suffering a lot. and part of the fierce as he did _ suffering a lot. and part of the fierce as he did not _ suffering a lot. and part of the fierce as he did not want - suffering a lot. and part of the fierce as he did not want to - suffering a lot. and part of the fierce as he did not want to be| fierce as he did not want to be identified as you can see. 93,000 migrants have, though, managed to get to italy, although around 28,000 have died since 2014 trying to make that very same journey. the eu have died since 2014 trying to make that very samejourney. the eu has beenin that very samejourney. the eu has been in tunisia and it has offered the government their 100 million euros to try to stop migrants leaving for europe but heavily ironically, the president of�*s policies have made some ever keener to go. policies have made some ever keener to no. . ~' ,. policies have made some ever keener toao. . , policies have made some ever keener to to, ., ~' , . let's speak to 25—year—old mustapha jarjou who left his home
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in gambia aged 15, spent two years travelling through senegal, mali, burkina faso, nigerand libya before crossing the med in a dinghy to italy. but first, maria alcazar castilla from the red cross, directorfor ifrc for europe and central asia. maria, your right because colleagues i understand in italy are looking after the four survivors but what can you tell us about them and how they are at the moment? goad they are at the moment? good evenina. they are at the moment? good evening- they _ they are at the moment? good evening. they are _ they are at the moment? good evening. they are in _ they are at the moment? good evening. they are in general. they are at the moment? (limp. evening. they are in general good health conditions despite honestly being exhausted after several days in the sea in very bad conditions and without access to water or food. but fortunately, they are in good health conditions they are in a migration centre that the italian red cross managers in lampedusa. d0 red cross managers in lampedusa. do you know if it is confirmed that one
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of the survivors is a 13—year—old boy? of the survivors is a 13-year-old bo ? . , ., boy? there are three miners, two micro boys _ boy? there are three miners, two micro boys and — boy? there are three miners, two micro boys and one _ boy? there are three miners, two micro boys and one girl— boy? there are three miners, two micro boys and one girl and - boy? there are three miners, two micro boys and one girl and one i micro boys and one girl and one male. �* micro boys and one girl and one male. . , ., micro boys and one girl and one male. �* , ., ~' micro boys and one girl and one male. . , ., ,, , micro boys and one girl and one male. . ,, , ., , male. and you think these latest deaths, male. and you think these latest deaths. from _ male. and you think these latest deaths, from your _ male. and you think these latest deaths, from your experience, i male. and you think these latest i deaths, from your experience, will deter others from making the journey? fits deter others from making the “ourne ? �* , �* �* deter others from making the “ourne? “ journey? as the bbc correspondent ex - lained journey? as the bbc correspondent explained very _ journey? as the bbc correspondent explained very well, _ journey? as the bbc correspondent explained very well, when - journey? as the bbc correspondent explained very well, when people i journey? as the bbc correspondent i explained very well, when people are desperate, when they are fleeing conflict or a total absence of perspective of having a dignified or safe life, they will continue during these journeys. safe life, they will continue during thesejourneys. many safe life, they will continue during these journeys. many of them know they will face risks but theyjust look you up as a port of safety and what is terrible as they are trying to reach that safety and they face dangers not only in the last step which is close in the mediterranean sea but also, as you explained with months or even years, a previous journey with numerous risks. brute
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months or even years, a previous journey with numerous risks. we can talk to mustapha _ journey with numerous risks. we can talk to mustapha jarjou, _ journey with numerous risks. we can talk to mustapha jarjou, thank - journey with numerous risks. we can talk to mustapha jarjou, thank you i talk to mustapha jarjou, thank you for speaking to our audience tonight pond you left they can be aged 15 and went through all these countries and went through all these countries and then made the treacherous journey in the dinky. why did you leave your home to get to europe —— in the dinky? i leave your home to get to europe -- in the dinky?— in the dinky? i think first of all i left my country _ in the dinky? i think first of all i left my country because - in the dinky? i think first of all i left my country because each i in the dinky? i think first of all i . left my country because each and every _ left my country because each and every person has the right to freedom _ every person has the right to freedom of movement. 0r every person has the right to freedom of movement. or are able to move _ freedom of movement. or are able to move where _ freedom of movement. or are able to move where we want to move. people move _ move where we want to move. people move falter— move where we want to move. people move falter because of political reasoning and social reason. i left my country— reasoning and social reason. i left my country the gambia because i felt i my country the gambia because i felt i could _ my country the gambia because i felt i could not— my country the gambia because i felt i could not realise my dream there. i could not realise my dream there. i was _ i could not realise my dream there. i was going — i could not realise my dream there. i was going to school but at certain point _ i was going to school but at certain point i _ i was going to school but at certain point i became a dropout because in gambit— point i became a dropout because in gambit it's _ point i became a dropout because in gambit it's very expensive sol worked — gambit it's very expensive sol worked my i left my country to pursue — worked my i left my country to pursue my— worked my i left my country to pursue my education. and worked my i left my country to pursue my education.- worked my i left my country to pursue my education. and you would have known — pursue my education. and you would have known that _ pursue my education. and you would have known that getting _ pursue my education. and you would have known that getting in _ pursue my education. and you would have known that getting in that - pursue my education. and you would have known that getting in that boat | have known that getting in that boat to cross the mediterranean could
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have killed you so why did that not stop you? i have killed you so why did that not sto ou? . , ., , . stop you? i mean, when people decide to make this — stop you? i mean, when people decide to make this journey _ stop you? i mean, when people decide to make this journey to _ stop you? i mean, when people decide to make this journey to they _ stop you? i mean, when people decide to make this journey to they decide - to make this journey to they decide to make this journey to they decide to make _ to make this journey to they decide to make the journey. i decided to leave _ to make the journey. i decided to leave my— to make the journey. i decided to leave my country in order to reach europe _ leave my country in order to reach europe because they wanted to realise — europe because they wanted to realise my dream. if and when people reach _ realise my dream. if and when people reach here, _ realise my dream. if and when people reach here, i— realise my dream. if and when people reach here, i know that what i'm about _ reach here, i know that what i'm about to — reach here, i know that what i'm about to do _ reach here, i know that what i'm about to do the crossing about to make, _ about to do the crossing about to make. its — about to do the crossing about to make, it's very risky and dangerous but i _ make, it's very risky and dangerous but i have _ make, it's very risky and dangerous but i have no— make, it's very risky and dangerous but i have no option. i could not go back— but i have no option. i could not go back because going back is dangerous, could not stay in libya because _ dangerous, could not stay in libya because libya, there is no rule, there _ because libya, there is no rule, there is— because libya, there is no rule, there is no— because libya, there is no rule, there is no law. it is survival of there is no law. it is survival of the fittest _ there is no law. it is survival of the fittest. so i have no option but to leave, _ the fittest. so i have no option but to leave, i— the fittest. so i have no option but to leave, i couldn't stay in libya. libya _ to leave, i couldn't stay in libya. libya is — to leave, i couldn't stay in libya. libya is politically unstable. and also senegal. — libya is politically unstable. fific also senegal, which it libya is politically unstable. fific also senegal, which it travelled through, mali and burkina faso, when you left there was conflict there as well. you have been in italy for
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seven, eight years now is it what you hoped for?— seven, eight years now is it what you hoped for? actually, italy, what we normally — you hoped for? actually, italy, what we normally see _ you hoped for? actually, italy, what we normally see in _ you hoped for? actually, italy, what we normally see in africa, _ you hoped for? actually, italy, what we normally see in africa, what - you hoped for? actually, italy, what we normally see in africa, what we | we normally see in africa, what we read in _ we normally see in africa, what we read in the — we normally see in africa, what we read in the newspaper about europe is all false, — read in the newspaper about europe is all false, you realise this when you arrive, — is all false, you realise this when you arrive, you realise it is not the reward _ you arrive, you realise it is not the reward of the journey because most _ the reward of the journey because most of _ the reward of the journey because most of the time people are treated with death _ most of the time people are treated with death and violence. and also here in— with death and violence. and also here in europe. sol with death and violence. and also here in europe. so i would say my dream _ here in europe. so i would say my dream was — here in europe. so i would say my dream was to pursue my education but at the _ dream was to pursue my education but at the beginning, when i reach here, it was— at the beginning, when i reach here, it was difficult for me to pursue this dream because i rememberthe refugee _ this dream because i rememberthe refugee centres outside the cities, where _ refugee centres outside the cities, where it— refugee centres outside the cities, where it was difficult even to make
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communication, to be part of the community— communication, to be part of the community or

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