put donald trump on the stand, because — put donald trump on the stand, because of the risk up urgency. sol think what— because of the risk up urgency. sol think what it tells you is this legal— think what it tells you is this legal case has got a long way to go and i think— legal case has got a long way to go and i think it is going to be one of those _ and i think it is going to be one of those defining moments in american politics— those defining moments in american politics where all people have to decide _ politics where all people have to decide what side they are on, the side of— decide what side they are on, the side of strong institutions and rule of law— side of strong institutions and rule of law and — side of strong institutions and rule of law and standards in politics, or that being — of law and standards in politics, or that being put on one side if you happen— that being put on one side if you happen to — that being put on one side if you happen to agree with the point of view of— happen to agree with the point of view of somebody who is running for election _ view of somebody who is running for election. and i think that's going to be part — election. and i think that's going to be part of the interesting. justin, amanda, leslie, all standby for us. we are going to be back with you in a moment, but i want to go back to miami, back to the courthouse and back to our reporter helena humphrey. a bit more of a flavour of what actually happened there. helena. ihi of a flavour of what actually happened there. helena. hi there, we “ust heard happened there. helena. hi there, we just heard you — happened there. helena. hi there, we just heard you there _ happened there. helena. hi there, we just heard you there also _ happened there. helena. hi there, we just heard you there also reporting - just heard you there also reporting about trump's motorcade leaving the federal courthouse, where we work, we have been here all day, but of

course trump is only here for around an hour and a half. course trump is only here for around an hourand a half. it course trump is only here for around an hour and a half. it was despite the fact that significant moment in history relatively short. what happened next interesting, the fact that donald trump and his motorcade and co—defendant actually stopped, at cafe bursae, here in miami. this is a spot in miami, a cuban cafe, and really trying to appeal to his base already —— cafe verse i. i and really trying to appeal to his base already -- cafe verse i. i want to brina base already -- cafe verse i. i want to bring in — base already -- cafe verse i. i want to bring in a — base already -- cafe verse i. i want to bring in a nomia _ base already -- cafe verse i. i want to bring in a nomia iqbal, - base already -- cafe verse i. i want to bring in a nomia iqbal, becausel to bring in a nomia iqbal, because trump is not even in bedminster yet, but already he is front to turn what many would see as significant legal challenges as a political opportunity, a campaign call. his lawyers have told him to not talk about — his lawyers have told him to not talk about this, but it is donald trumb — talk about this, but it is donald trumb he _ talk about this, but it is donald trump. he is a mealy campaign fundraising. we saw that in new york after his indictment there. this butting — after his indictment there. this pulling went up, he raised more money, — pulling went up, he raised more money, and he is doing these ek same thin- money, and he is doing these ek same thing again. _ money, and he is doing these ek same thing again, because it does work.

there _ thing again, because it does work. there are — thing again, because it does work. there are lots of republican voters that think— there are lots of republican voters that think this is a political witch hunt— that think this is a political witch hunt and — that think this is a political witch hunt and date back him, and i have spent _ hunt and date back him, and i have spent some — hunt and date back him, and i have spent some time here and spoken some of those _ spent some time here and spoken some of those voters, who do believe that, _ of those voters, who do believe that, so — of those voters, who do believe that, so he _ of those voters, who do believe that, so he is doing something that he knows _ that, so he is doing something that he knows will work. that that, so he is doing something that he knows will work.— he knows will work. that is really interesting. _ he knows will work. that is really interesting, because _ he knows will work. that is really interesting, because i— he knows will work. that is really interesting, because i know- he knows will work. that is really interesting, because i know you i he knows will work. that is really - interesting, because i know you have been here since thursday. you've been here since thursday. you've been speaking to floridians. to speak to us about the demographic, the level of support that trump enjoys in this particular state, where this case is playing out. florida used to be a swing state, he won in— florida used to be a swing state, he won in the _ florida used to be a swing state, he won in the last presidential elections. we saw a ron desantis winning _ elections. we saw a ron desantis winning it — elections. we saw a ron desantis winning it by huge amount in the governorship, in the midterms, so it is very— governorship, in the midterms, so it is very republican, this state, and it has— is very republican, this state, and it has such — is very republican, this state, and it has such a — is very republican, this state, and it has such a mixed demographic. here _ it has such a mixed demographic. here in _ it has such a mixed demographic. here in miami you have a very strong, — here in miami you have a very strong, and american community. i was down _ strong, and american community. i was down in — strong, and american community. i was down in little havana, it was so interesting — was down in little havana, it was so interesting. there was one minister to catt— interesting. there was one minister to call fernando and he said to me straight _ to call fernando and he said to me straight up. — to call fernando and he said to me straight up, donald trump was a gift from god, _ straight up, donald trump was a gift from god, that he is like moses, and

is realty— from god, that he is like moses, and is really easy— from god, that he is like moses, and is really easy to most be incredulous about that, but he has a vote, and _ incredulous about that, but he has a vote, and he — incredulous about that, but he has a vote, and he will vote for donald trumb _ vote, and he will vote for donald trumb -- — vote, and he will vote for donald trump. —— there was one man called fernanda _ trump. —— there was one man called fernanda i— trump. —— there was one man called fernando. i put in them, what about these _ fernando. i put in them, what about these lawsuits? he said, it is a part— these lawsuits? he said, it is a part of— these lawsuits? he said, it is a part of his _ these lawsuits? he said, it is a part of hisjourney. these lawsuits? he said, it is a part of his journey. when these lawsuits? he said, it is a part of hisjourney. when it came to the indictment, the 49 pages and all the photos— the indictment, the 49 pages and all the photos we have seen of the classified — the photos we have seen of the classified documents and the boxes, if he did _ classified documents and the boxes, if he did something wrong, we believe — if he did something wrong, we believe ourjustice system will find out. believe ourjustice system will find out if— believe ourjustice system will find out if he — believe ourjustice system will find out. if he did not, then he will be cleared it — out. if he did not, then he will be cleared it is— out. if he did not, then he will be cleared. it is a bit of a mixed opinion— cleared. it is a bit of a mixed opinion that i certainly found in the tast— opinion that i certainly found in the last few days of. | opinion that i certainly found in the last few days of. i definitely did too, speaking _ the last few days of. i definitely did too, speaking to _ the last few days of. i definitely did too, speaking to people - the last few days of. i definitely i did too, speaking to people among the crowds. talk to us about the atmosphere you found outside the federal courthouse. it was certainly febrile at times. it is hot here. donald trump call for his supporters to come down. we had some concerns, it is fair to say, the past week some rhetoric wrapping up, quite

worrying. always your assessment of the situation?— the situation? even when he was arrivin: the situation? even when he was arriving at _ the situation? even when he was arriving at the _ the situation? even when he was arriving at the courthouse, - the situation? even when he was arriving at the courthouse, he i the situation? even when he was. arriving at the courthouse, he was attacking — arriving at the courthouse, he was attacking jack smith, the special counset — attacking jack smith, the special counsel. he was inside courtroom when _ counsel. he was inside courtroom when this— counsel. he was inside courtroom when this was all playing out, but we were _ when this was all playing out, but we were told miami police work prepared — we were told miami police work prepared for 100,000 from supporters, but it disparages a probably— supporters, but it disparages a probably a couple hundred here? and you are _ probably a couple hundred here? and you are right, it felt quite tense at times, — you are right, it felt quite tense at times, with the authorities watking — at times, with the authorities walking around, and they walked through— walking around, and they walked through the media tents, but we are watching, _ through the media tents, but we are watching, and listening to every thing _ watching, and listening to every thing we — watching, and listening to every thing we are saying and having an opinion, _ thing we are saying and having an opinion, and you get those who are anti-trump — opinion, and you get those who are anti—trump. yesterday, outside his resort. _ anti—trump. yesterday, outside his resort. there — anti—trump. yesterday, outside his resort, there was a altercation between — resort, there was a altercation between the two sides. police tackted — between the two sides. police tackled it very quickly for the police — tackled it very quickly for the police saying they are prepared. we have not— police saying they are prepared. we have not seen any kind of riot or protest — have not seen any kind of riot or protest that they were worried about, — protest that they were worried about, but it is a spectacle, helena, _ about, but it is a spectacle, helena, because it is donald trump. absolutely— helena, because it is donald trump. absolutely full to many people i was speaking to talking about this being a weaponisation of the justice department and we have heard similar comments coming from his republican

rivals, in terms of the public in nomination ticket. how do you see that support from their publican —based lasting —— republican nomination ticket? do you think we are starting to see some kind of cracks when it comes to his presidential rivals?- cracks when it comes to his presidential rivals? right now, if we to b presidential rivals? right now, if we go by the _ presidential rivals? right now, if we go by the polls. _ presidential rivals? right now, if we go by the polls, it _ presidential rivals? right now, if we go by the polls, it suggests l presidential rivals? right now, if| we go by the polls, it suggests he is so _ we go by the polls, it suggests he is so far— we go by the polls, it suggests he is so far had, ron desantis is a distant — is so far had, ron desantis is a distant second, what i find fascinating is his rivals are not using — fascinating is his rivals are not using it — fascinating is his rivals are not using it as— fascinating is his rivals are not using it as rivals don't act teverage _ using it as rivals don't act leverage against him. you would think. _ leverage against him. you would think. this — leverage against him. you would think, this menace twice impeached, these _ think, this menace twice impeached, these indictments, they may want easy to _ these indictments, they may want easy to contrast themselves to him, but they— easy to contrast themselves to him, but they don't. they back his ctainrs — but they don't. they back his ctainrs in _ but they don't. they back his claims. in terms of the republican base, _ claims. in terms of the republican base, it— claims. in terms of the republican base, it we — claims. in terms of the republican base, if we go by the polls, he has -ot base, if we go by the polls, he has got to— base, if we go by the polls, he has got to support that he needs to get the nomination. potentially. whether or not— the nomination. potentially. whether or not he _ the nomination. potentially. whether or not he has got the american public— or not he has got the american public behind him, right, that is what _ public behind him, right, that is what it— public behind him, right, that is what it awesomely comes down to. if you want—

what it awesomely comes down to. if you want to _ what it awesomely comes down to. if you want to get into the white house, — you want to get into the white house, you need american elections behind _ house, you need american elections behind you. — house, you need american elections behind you, suburban women, all of that _ behind you, suburban women, all of that. really, it is too early to say if those _ that. really, it is too early to say if those people are behind him. and otentiall if those people are behind him. fific potentially there could if those people are behind him. fific potentially there could be some if those people are behind him. e'"i.c potentially there could be some kind of fatigue coming, if you took a look at the latest polling numbers, many people feeling like, we have been here before, less than 50% back donald trump, the general electorate across the country. talk to us about the appeal of the men coming second here, ron desantis. he is in second, but he is seen as trump without the baggage. he is not facing a situation we have seen here today. that is right, and i remember one supporter— that is right, and i remember one supporter of ron desantis saying to me, desantis is focused on policy, focused _ me, desantis is focused on policy, focused on — me, desantis is focused on policy, focused on the future of america, where _ focused on the future of america, where is — focused on the future of america, where is donald trump is too focused on grievances and there are supporters who, like you said, the petite _ supporters who, like you said, the petite thing, are kind of done with the stolen — petite thing, are kind of done with the stolen induction election narrative, they want him to focus on

policies _ narrative, they want him to focus on policies. there are lots of people who feet — policies. there are lots of people who feel he has good policies of but we know _ who feel he has good policies of but we know that this is donald trump, he has _ we know that this is donald trump, he has a _ we know that this is donald trump, he has a certain... he likes to air his grievances. and i suppose you have _ his grievances. and i suppose you have someone like ron desantis, which _ have someone like ron desantis, which we — have someone like ron desantis, which we have seen, and the other rival candidates that do hope this fine tine — rival candidates that do hope this fine tine -- — rival candidates that do hope this fine line —— tow this timeline. they don't _ fine line —— tow this timeline. they don't want — fine line —— tow this timeline. they don't want to — fine line —— tow this timeline. they don't want to plead the attack him, but cannot— don't want to plead the attack him, but cannot find a way of distancing from _ but cannot find a way of distancing from hint — but cannot find a way of distancing from hint h— but cannot find a way of distancing from him. �* . . but cannot find a way of distancing from him. ~ . . ., �* from him. a balancing act, and we'll see how that — from him. a balancing act, and we'll see how that unfolds, _ from him. a balancing act, and we'll see how that unfolds, this _ from him. a balancing act, and we'll see how that unfolds, this is - from him. a balancing act, and we'll see how that unfolds, this is not - see how that unfolds, this is not the only case. for now, our north america correspondent nomia iqbal, thank you so much for your reporting. back to you. helena, treat reporting. back to you. helena, great stuff. _ reporting. back to you. helena, great stuff, and _ reporting. back to you. helena, great stuff, and thanks - reporting. back to you. helena, great stuff, and thanks to - reporting. back to you. helena, l great stuff, and thanks to nomia, and that is well—timed, because as you can see, donald trump, from the courthouse in miami, heading to the airport, where you will be boarding his private plane and cutting back to newjersey for speaking to

supporters there. couple of quick details to bring you. one little correction from the news agency wires here. earlier, the reporting that walt nauta, the agent donald trump, pled not guilty. they are now reporting he did not enter a plea in the case of a correction there from reuters news agency. and there is trump forced one, the name that donald trump causes aeroplane, pulling up in the motorcade, and we expect them to begin out of his vehicle and onto that plane any moment. we will keep an eye on those pictures of course, but we are going to bring back in leslie. she is the head of the us programme at the think tank chatham house. also our panel, amanda renteria, a former

campaign directorfor panel, amanda renteria, a former campaign director for hillary clinton, and justine greening, former uk conservative minister. there they all are. great to see you all. as we watch that tarmac there, leslie, why don't we focus a little bit on the specific charges? we have not focused on them too much for but the idea of taking these documents, storing them, talking about them, and then obstruction, potentially, that last bit is what a lot of commentators have said even supporters of donald trump have said they wish they don't understand why they wish they don't understand why they were not handed back over if that was the case. these are just allegations at the moment. what do you make of the specifics? i allegations at the moment. what do you make of the specifics?— you make of the specifics? i think it is clear this _ you make of the specifics? i think it is clear this case _ you make of the specifics? i think it is clear this case is _ you make of the specifics? i think it is clear this case is going - you make of the specifics? i think it is clear this case is going to - it is clear this case is going to focus — it is clear this case is going to focus not so _ it is clear this case is going to focus not so much _ it is clear this case is going to focus not so much on - it is clear this case is going to focus not so much on taking i it is clear this case is going to. focus not so much on taking the documents _ focus not so much on taking the documents but _ focus not so much on taking the documents but on _ focus not so much on taking the documents but on keeping - focus not so much on taking the| documents but on keeping them focus not so much on taking the - documents but on keeping them once he had _ documents but on keeping them once he had been — documents but on keeping them once he had been subpoenaed _ documents but on keeping them once he had been subpoenaed and - documents but on keeping them once he had been subpoenaed and asked l documents but on keeping them once| he had been subpoenaed and asked to -ive he had been subpoenaed and asked to give them _ he had been subpoenaed and asked to give them back — he had been subpoenaed and asked to give them back. so _ he had been subpoenaed and asked to give them back. so that _ he had been subpoenaed and asked to give them back. so that is— he had been subpoenaed and asked to give them back. so that is the - give them back. so that is the wittfut— give them back. so that is the willful retention _ give them back. so that is the willful retention and - give them back. so that is the

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context, where the bar for what is considered normal... this is a - considered normal... this is a president— considered normal... this is a president who _ considered normal... this is a president who has _ considered normal... this is a president who has been - considered normal... this is a - president who has been phenomenally successful— president who has been phenomenally successful when— president who has been phenomenally successful when it _ president who has been phenomenally successful when it comes _ president who has been phenomenally successful when it comes to _ president who has been phenomenally successful when it comes to spin - president who has been phenomenally successful when it comes to spin and i successful when it comes to spin and deftection~ _ successful when it comes to spin and deftection~ he— successful when it comes to spin and deflection. he is— successful when it comes to spin and deflection. he is already _ successful when it comes to spin and deflection. he is already talking - deflection. he is already talking about— deflection. he is already talking about election _ deflection. he is already talking about election interference, - deflection. he is already talking about election interference, a l about election interference, a witchhunt~ _ about election interference, a witchhunt. he _ about election interference, a witchhunt. he will— about election interference, a witchhunt. he will have - about election interference, a . witchhunt. he will have a choice about election interference, a - witchhunt. he will have a choice to make _ witchhunt. he will have a choice to make about — witchhunt. he will have a choice to make about whether— witchhunt. he will have a choice to make about whether he _ witchhunt. he will have a choice to

make about whether he wants - witchhunt. he will have a choice to make about whether he wants to l witchhunt. he will have a choice toi make about whether he wants to go and continue — make about whether he wants to go and continue to— make about whether he wants to go and continue to be _ make about whether he wants to go and continue to be very— make about whether he wants to go and continue to be very visible, - and continue to be very visible, making — and continue to be very visible, making those _ and continue to be very visible, making those claims _ and continue to be very visible, making those claims while - and continue to be very visible, making those claims while he l and continue to be very visible, | making those claims while he is under— making those claims while he is under this— making those claims while he is under this kind _ making those claims while he is under this kind of— making those claims while he is under this kind of investigationi making those claims while he is. under this kind of investigation and careful— under this kind of investigation and careful watching _ under this kind of investigation and careful watching in _ under this kind of investigation and careful watching in the _ under this kind of investigation and careful watching in the courts. - under this kind of investigation and careful watching in the courts. that is a delicate — careful watching in the courts. that is a delicate balance, _ careful watching in the courts. that is a delicate balance, because - careful watching in the courts. that is a delicate balance, because of. is a delicate balance, because of course _ is a delicate balance, because of course those _ is a delicate balance, because of course those optics _ is a delicate balance, because of course those optics will - is a delicate balance, because of course those optics will matter, i course those optics will matter, that public— course those optics will matter, that public persona _ that he is clearly used strategically - that he is clearly used strategically and - that he is clearly used - strategically and tactically, will be something _ strategically and tactically, will be something everybody- strategically and tactically, will be something everybody is- strategically and tactically, will. be something everybody is aware strategically and tactically, will- be something everybody is aware of. he has— be something everybody is aware of. he has a _ be something everybody is aware of. he has a number— be something everybody is aware of. he has a number of— be something everybody is aware of. he has a number of choices - be something everybody is aware of. he has a number of choices to - be something everybody is aware of. | he has a number of choices to make, but the _ he has a number of choices to make, but the charges — he has a number of choices to make, but the charges are _ he has a number of choices to make, but the charges are very, _ he has a number of choices to make, but the charges are very, very- but the charges are very, very significant _ but the charges are very, very significant-— but the charges are very, very significant. leslie, thanks very much for that. _ significant. leslie, thanks very much for that. amanda, - significant. leslie, thanks very much for that. amanda, i - significant. leslie, thanks very i much for that. amanda, i want significant. leslie, thanks very i much for that. amanda, i want to point to you the words that we heard donald trump say when he stopped off at that bakery, and that clearly preplanned little media new veart. they were clearly some very big fans of his inside. but some of the words that he said were, this is a rigged country, a country that is corrupt, a nation in decline, a country in decline. do you think a significant number of people in the us go along

with that narrative? i number of people in the us go along with that narrative?— with that narrative? i don't, and that is what _ with that narrative? i don't, and that is what is _ with that narrative? i don't, and that is what is really _ with that narrative? i don't, and that is what is really interesting| that is what is really interesting about this. most presidential campaigns are about the hope and what can you do in the future for the country. his first run, make america great was the tag line. right? and this is a really interesting, different way to go, and it happens to be all about himself, right? it is corrupt and rigged because of the place he finds himself right now and that is really the question that, and i think about a descendents out there, when i think about the candidates that are running against him, are they going to lean into the rigged system or are they going to start to build hope and inspiration for what can be done with a vision of america that is different from the one donald trump is trying to say right now. in terms of that stopped, i do have to point out, a lot of his supporters who will be there every single step of the way you view him as this leader, was religiously figure, and you can see that healing into that

in the cuban—american trinity, the latino community, a growing latino community voting population, in this election but every single year since, 2016, etc, a huge growing population that people are really fighting over, and so the idea that he leaned into cuban—americans, heal into a bakery, into religion, is a place to go, and what you are bidding to see is how he is going to start his base but also the vision he is projecting stop and i think it is very difficult vision for america, for him to win, in the long run because at the end of the day i still believe america is a place of hope and inspiration and if it is simply about fear and simply about his own fear, i think he... that race is really tough to win in a presenter cycle.— race is really tough to win in a presenter cycle. justine, i want to talk about the _ presenter cycle. justine, i want to talk about the uk _ presenter cycle. justine, i want to talk about the uk connection, - presenter cycle. justine, i want to i talk about the uk connection, there was one phrase that stood out from boris johnson's

was one phrase that stood out from borisjohnson's resignation boris johnson's resignation statement. borisjohnson's resignation statement. he used the phrase, witchhunt, of course we will all be familiar with hearing from donald trump. are there any similarities here that are worthy of consideration or are there not? there are definitely some parallels. these _ there are definitely some parallels. these two _ there are definitely some parallels. these two former leaders as it were btaming _ these two former leaders as it were blaming the system somehow for bringing — blaming the system somehow for bringing them down when actually the reality _ bringing them down when actually the reality is— bringing them down when actually the reality is it _ bringing them down when actually the reality is it is their own actions that— reality is it is their own actions that have _ reality is it is their own actions that have precipitated where they find themselves now. former leader here boris— find themselves now. former leader here borisjohnson saying parliamentary committee that looked into whether he misled parliament is essentially— into whether he misled parliament is essentially a witchhunt, but actually _ essentially a witchhunt, but actually this being a process where apparently everybody is in on the witchhunt — apparently everybody is in on the witchhunt against boris johnson, both the — witchhunt against boris johnson, both the parliamentary committee that was— both the parliamentary committee that was actually a majority of conservative mps, johnson a former conservative mps, johnson a former conservative prime minister, parliament somehow both a huge conservative landslide that boris johnson — conservative landslide that boris johnson himself led the consumer

party— johnson himself led the consumer party to. — johnson himself led the consumer party to, apparently they were going to vote _ party to, apparently they were going to vote through this sanction, taking — to vote through this sanction, taking away boris johnson's time in parliament, giving him a penalty, and then— parliament, giving him a penalty, and then the output of that seems likely— and then the output of that seems likely to _ and then the output of that seems likely to be that he would face a by election— likely to be that he would face a by election in— likely to be that he would face a by election in his own constituency. in other— election in his own constituency. in other words— election in his own constituency. in other words he would have to run for reelection _ other words he would have to run for reelection again. clearly he felt they were part of this witchhunt as well, _ they were part of this witchhunt as well, because maybe they were not going _ well, because maybe they were not going to _ well, because maybe they were not going to vote him back, so i think the sense — going to vote him back, so i think the sense of people against the world. — the sense of people against the world, and this very negative impact of somehow having everyone against you, of somehow having everyone against you. i_ of somehow having everyone against you. i agree — of somehow having everyone against you, i agree with amanda that it is a very— you, i agree with amanda that it is a very negative picture on which to try and _ a very negative picture on which to try and get— a very negative picture on which to try and get support, and although it ratties the _ try and get support, and although it rallies the diehards, as it were, i think— rallies the diehards, as it were, i think for— rallies the diehards, as it were, i think for the wider population, it starts _ think for the wider population, it starts if— think for the wider population, it starts if you like something they cannot _ starts if you like something they cannot really buy into, so it is a question— cannot really buy into, so it is a question of—

cannot really buy into, so it is a question of ever increasing circles. potentially— question of ever increasing circles. potentially for both boris johnson and donald trump stop when interesting. standby, everyone, but i interesting. standby, everyone, but iiust_ interesting. standby, everyone, but iiust want— interesting. standby, everyone, but ijust want to replay interesting. standby, everyone, but i just want to replay that interesting. standby, everyone, but ijust want to replay that moment interesting. standby, everyone, but i just want to replay that moment a ijust want to replay that moment a little ijust want to replay that momen little bit, ijust want to replay that moment —. little bit, when donald trump got out of his motorcade after leaving court, on the way to the airport here and went into that bakery. let's take a look. i here and went into that bakery. let's take a look.— let's take a look. i think it is a ria red let's take a look. i think it is a rigged deal here. _ let's take a look. i think it is a rigged deal here. we - let's take a look. i think it is a rigged deal here. we have - let's take a look. i think it is a rigged deal here. we have a l let's take a look. i think it is a - rigged deal here. we have a rigged country, we have a country that is corrupt, we have a country that is got no borders, we have got a country that has nothing but problems. we are in nation in decline and then they do this stuff. and you see where the people are. we love the people and you see where they are. you see the crowds and everything else. we have a country thatis everything else. we have a country that is in decline like never before and we cannot let it happen. i am going to make a little speech tonight at bedminster. i hope you're going to be there. thea;r tonight at bedminster. i hope you're going to be there.— going to be there. they also sang ha - going to be there. they also sang happy birthday _ going to be there. they also sang happy birthday as _ going to be there. they also sang happy birthday as well _ going to be there. they also sang happy birthday as well to - going to be there. they also sang happy birthday as well to him. . going to be there. they also sang happy birthday as well to him. it| going to be there. they also sang l happy birthday as well to him. it is donald trump's birthday tomorrow. let's go back to leslie. let's look ahead to come if we presume donald trump is the person who wins the

republican party nomination, i know it is a long way away, but do you think he would be if he does win the republican nomination, the eventual winner and eventual president? i don't. i think we have winner and eventual president? i don't. ithink we have plenty winner and eventual president? i don't. i think we have plenty of evidence — don't. i think we have plenty of evidence to _ don't. i think we have plenty of evidence to suggest _ don't. i think we have plenty of evidence to suggest that - don't. i think we have plenty ofl evidence to suggest that donald trump _ evidence to suggest that donald trump when _ evidence to suggest that donald trump when it— evidence to suggest that donald trump when it comes _ evidence to suggest that donald trump when it comes to - evidence to suggest that donald trump when it comes to really. trump when it comes to really important _ trump when it comes to really important elections _ trump when it comes to really important elections has - trump when it comes to really- important elections has demonstrated that he _ important elections has demonstrated that he does— important elections has demonstrated that he does not— important elections has demonstrated that he does not win, _ important elections has demonstrated that he does not win, he _ important elections has demonstrated that he does not win, he did _ important elections has demonstrated that he does not win, he did not- important elections has demonstrated that he does not win, he did not win l that he does not win, he did not win the tast— that he does not win, he did not win the last presidential— that he does not win, he did not win the last presidential election. - that he does not win, he did not win the last presidential election. not. the last presidential election. not a fact— the last presidential election. not a fact he — the last presidential election. not a fact he has— the last presidential election. not a fact he has accepted _ the last presidential election. not a fact he has accepted or- the last presidential election. not. a fact he has accepted or admitted. he did _ a fact he has accepted or admitted. he did very— a fact he has accepted or admitted. he did very poorly— a fact he has accepted or admitted. he did very poorly as _ a fact he has accepted or admitted. he did very poorly as the _ a fact he has accepted or admitted. he did very poorly as the basicallyi he did very poorly as the basically teader— he did very poorly as the basically teader of— he did very poorly as the basically leader of the _ he did very poorly as the basically leader of the republican - he did very poorly as the basically leader of the republican party- he did very poorly as the basically leader of the republican party in. leader of the republican party in the midterm _ leader of the republican party in the midterm elections. - leader of the republican party in. the midterm elections. republicans underperformed _ the midterm elections. republicans underperformed what _ the midterm elections. republicans underperformed what they- the midterm elections. republicans underperformed what they should l the midterm elections. republicans . underperformed what they should have been able _ underperformed what they should have been able to _ underperformed what they should have been able to deliver _ underperformed what they should have been able to deliver under— underperformed what they should have been able to deliver under his - been able to deliver under his leadership— been able to deliver under his leadership or— been able to deliver under his leadership or any— been able to deliver under his leadership or any republicanl been able to deliver under his - leadership or any republican leader. there _ leadership or any republican leader. there is— leadership or any republican leader. there is plenty— leadership or any republican leader. there is plenty of— leadership or any republican leader. there is plenty of evidence - leadership or any republican leader. there is plenty of evidence he - leadership or any republican leader. there is plenty of evidence he is - there is plenty of evidence he is not doing — there is plenty of evidence he is not doing wett— there is plenty of evidence he is not doing well for— there is plenty of evidence he is not doing well for he _ there is plenty of evidence he is not doing well for he does - there is plenty of evidence he is not doing well for he does well. there is plenty of evidence he is . not doing well for he does well with his base. that— not doing well for he does well with his base, that sets _ not doing well for he does well with his base, that sets him _ not doing well for he does well with his base, that sets him up - not doing well for he does well with his base, that sets him up well- not doing well for he does well with his base, that sets him up well with a primary. this— his base, that sets him up well with a primary. this is— his base, that sets him up well with a primary. this is an _ his base, that sets him up well with a primary. this is an unknown - a primary. this is an unknown factor. — a primary. this is an unknown factor. in _ a primary. this is an unknown factor, in terms _ a primary. this is an unknown factor, in terms of _ a primary. this is an unknown factor, in terms of how- a primary. this is an unknown factor, in terms of how we - a primary. this is an unknown| factor, in terms of how we will a primary. this is an unknown - factor, in terms of how we will play out, factor, in terms of how we will play out. even _ factor, in terms of how we will play out. even at — factor, in terms of how we will play out, even at the _ factor, in terms of how we will play out, even at the primary— factor, in terms of how we will play out, even at the primary level, - factor, in terms of how we will play out, even at the primary level, but| out, even at the primary level, but certainty— out, even at the primary level, but certainty if — out, even at the primary level, but certainly if you're _ out, even at the primary level, but certainly if you're going _ out, even at the primary level, but certainly if you're going to - out, even at the primary level, but certainly if you're going to take -

out, even at the primary level, but certainly if you're going to take a l certainly if you're going to take a snapshot — certainly if you're going to take a snapshot today. _ certainly if you're going to take a snapshot today, we _ certainly if you're going to take a snapshot today, we would - certainly if you're going to take a i snapshot today, we would suspect certainly if you're going to take a - snapshot today, we would suspect he would turn _ snapshot today, we would suspect he would turn out — snapshot today, we would suspect he would turn out to _ snapshot today, we would suspect he would turn out to be _ snapshot today, we would suspect he would turn out to be the _ snapshot today, we would suspect he would turn out to be the nomination, | would turn out to be the nomination, the nominee. — would turn out to be the nomination, the nominee. in— would turn out to be the nomination, the nominee, in a _ would turn out to be the nomination, the nominee, in a presidential- the nominee, in a presidential election. — the nominee, in a presidential election, you've _ the nominee, in a presidential election, you've got— the nominee, in a presidential- election, you've got independence, independent — election, you've got independence, independent voters _ election, you've got independence, independent voters to _ election, you've got independence, independent voters to vote - election, you've got independence, independent voters to vote for - independent voters to vote for donatd — independent voters to vote for donald trump. _ independent voters to vote for donald trump, the _ independent voters to vote forl donald trump, the mainstream repubtican— donald trump, the mainstream republican voters, _ donald trump, the mainstream republican voters, including. donald trump, the mainstream i republican voters, including those who have — republican voters, including those who have announced _ republican voters, including those who have announced their - republican voters, including those who have announced their party, l who have announced their party, never _ who have announced their party, never chompers. _ who have announced their party, never chompers, you've - who have announced their party, never chompers, you've got- who have announced their party, never chompers, you've got to l who have announced their party, i never chompers, you've got to get who have announced their party, - never chompers, you've got to get a number— never chompers, you've got to get a number of— never chompers, you've got to get a number of democrats. _ never chompers, you've got to get a number of democrats. it _ never chompers, you've got to get a number of democrats. it is- never chompers, you've got to get a number of democrats. it is a - never chompers, you've got to get a number of democrats. it is a very. number of democrats. it is a very different— number of democrats. it is a very different race, and _ number of democrats. it is a very different race, and this— number of democrats. it is a very different race, and this is- number of democrats. it is a very different race, and this is going . different race, and this is going to play out _ different race, and this is going to play out for— different race, and this is going to play out for a _ different race, and this is going to play out for a very— different race, and this is going to play out for a very long _ different race, and this is going to play out for a very long time - different race, and this is going to play out for a very long time to i play out for a very long time to stop— play out for a very long time to stop it is — play out for a very long time to stop it is going _ play out for a very long time to stop it is going to _ play out for a very long time to stop it is going to affect - play out for a very long time to stop it is going to affect how i stop it is going to affect how people — stop it is going to affect how peopte feet _ stop it is going to affect how people feel. donald - stop it is going to affect how people feel. donald trump l stop it is going to affect how - people feel. donald trump does have a very— people feel. donald trump does have a very negative — people feel. donald trump does have a very negative message. _ people feel. donald trump does have a very negative message. the - people feel. donald trump does have a very negative message. the one . a very negative message. the one thing _ a very negative message. the one thing i_ a very negative message. the one thing i think— a very negative message. the one thing i think he _ a very negative message. the one thing i think he does— a very negative message. the one thing i think he does well- a very negative message. the one thing i think he does well even- thing i think he does well even white — thing i think he does well even white he — thing i think he does well even white he is _ thing i think he does well even while he is saying _ thing i think he does well even while he is saying this - thing i think he does well even while he is saying this is - thing i think he does well even while he is saying this is a - thing i think he does well even. while he is saying this is a decline of the _ while he is saying this is a decline of the united _ while he is saying this is a decline of the united states, _ while he is saying this is a decline of the united states, he's- while he is saying this is a decline of the united states, he's doing l while he is saying this is a declinei of the united states, he's doing it in a way— of the united states, he's doing it in a way that— of the united states, he's doing it in a way that makes _ of the united states, he's doing it in a way that makes everybody. of the united states, he's doing it. in a way that makes everybody feel good _ in a way that makes everybody feel good he _ in a way that makes everybody feel good he is — in a way that makes everybody feel good he is very. _ in a way that makes everybody feel good. he is very, very— in a way that makes everybody feel good. he is very, very good about. good. he is very, very good about saying _ good. he is very, very good about saying very— good. he is very, very good about saying very negative _ good. he is very, very good about saying very negative things - good. he is very, very good about saying very negative things and i saying very negative things and making — saying very negative things and making you _ saying very negative things and making you feel— saying very negative things and making you feel like _ saying very negative things and making you feel like you - saying very negative things and making you feel like you are i saying very negative things and making you feel like you are at| saying very negative things and. making you feel like you are at a party— making you feel like you are at a party white — making you feel like you are at a party while he _ making you feel like you are at a party while he is _ making you feel like you are at a party while he is doing _ making you feel like you are at a party while he is doing it. - making you feel like you are at a party while he is doing it. i- making you feel like you are at a party while he is doing it. ithinki party while he is doing it. ithink that is— party while he is doing it. ithink that is the — party while he is doing it. ithink that is the chemistry _ party while he is doing it. ithink that is the chemistry that - party while he is doing it. ithink that is the chemistry that he - party while he is doing it. ithink that is the chemistry that he has managed to— that is the chemistry that he has managed to you _ that is the chemistry that he has managed to you to _ that is the chemistry that he has managed to you to connect - that is the chemistry that he has managed to you to connect with| managed to you to connect with audiences. _ managed to you to connect with audiences, but— managed to you to connect with audiences, but doing _ managed to you to connect with audiences, but doing that- managed to you to connect with| audiences, but doing that during what _ audiences, but doing that during what witt— audiences, but doing that during what will be _ audiences, but doing that during what will be a _ audiences, but doing that during what will be a very— audiences, but doing that during what will be a very long, - audiences, but doing that during what will be a very long, likely. what will be a very long, likely tong _ what will be a very long, likely tong and — what will be a very long, likely long and drawn _ what will be a very long, likely long and drawn out _ what will be a very long, likely long and drawn out trial- what will be a very long, likely long and drawn out trial that l what will be a very long, likely. long and drawn out trial that does not took—

long and drawn out trial that does not took tike — long and drawn out trial that does not look like it _ long and drawn out trial that does not look like it is— long and drawn out trial that does not look like it is going _ long and drawn out trial that does not look like it is going to- long and drawn out trial that does not look like it is going to point. not look like it is going to point in his— not look like it is going to point in his direction, _ not look like it is going to point in his direction, in— not look like it is going to point in his direction, in a _ not look like it is going to point in his direction, in a favourable| in his direction, in a favourable way. _ in his direction, in a favourable way. sustaining _ in his direction, in a favourable way, sustaining voters, - in his direction, in a favourable way, sustaining voters, that. in his direction, in a favourable way, sustaining voters, that is| in his direction, in a favourable| way, sustaining voters, that is a high _ way, sustaining voters, that is a high bar— way, sustaining voters, that is a high bar to _ way, sustaining voters, that is a high bar to cross— way, sustaining voters, that is a high bar to cross over, - way, sustaining voters, that is a high bar to cross over, and - way, sustaining voters, that is al high bar to cross over, and again way, sustaining voters, that is a - high bar to cross over, and again on the back— high bar to cross over, and again on the back of— high bar to cross over, and again on the back of very— high bar to cross over, and again on the back of very poor— high bar to cross over, and again on the back of very poor evidence - high bar to cross over, and again on the back of very poor evidence he . the back of very poor evidence he can do— the back of very poor evidence he can do wett— the back of very poor evidence he can do well at _ the back of very poor evidence he can do well at a _ the back of very poor evidence he can do well at a national- the back of very poor evidence he can do well at a national level. i the back of very poor evidence he | can do well at a national level. he has not can do well at a national level. has got a habit of telling can do well at a national level.- has got a habit of telling negative things that make you feel like you're ready party? was that your phrase? he you're ready party? was that your hrase? . . you're ready party? was that your hrase? . , , ., you're ready party? was that your hrase? ., , ., ., phrase? he has determined is not of ener: and phrase? he has determined is not of energy and he _ phrase? he has determined is not of energy and he knows _ phrase? he has determined is not of energy and he knows how _ phrase? he has determined is not of energy and he knows how to - phrase? he has determined is not of energy and he knows how to tap - phrase? he has determined is not of energy and he knows how to tap into something _ energy and he knows how to tap into something in— energy and he knows how to tap into something in the _ energy and he knows how to tap into something in the american - something in the american electorate... _ something in the american electorate. . ._ something in the american - electorate. . ._ makes you electorate... interesting. makes you feelthere's — electorate... interesting. makes you feel there's something _ electorate... interesting. makes you feel there's something going - electorate... interesting. makes you feel there's something going on. - electorate... interesting. makes you feel there's something going on. i i feel there's something going on. i have feel there's something going on. have not heard it put like that before, but it certainly residents. that is interesting for amanda, i want to quickly talk aboutjoe biden in all of this. reporters have some questions at him about this, and his response is, i am not involved. what do you think the white house and joe biden's team and joe biden himself will be feeling right now? i biden's team and joe biden himself will be feeling right now?— will be feeling right now? i think the will will be feeling right now? i think they will be _ will be feeling right now? i think they will be feeling _ will be feeling right now? i think they will be feeling they've - will be feeling right now? i think they will be feeling they've got l will be feeling right now? i thinkl they will be feeling they've got to focus on the american people, talking about what is going on in their lives, at their kitchen tables, relieving thejets a

position to what you're hearing from a very selfish candidate, right? —— juxtaposition. the entire system is rigged because he finds him self in this position versus biting saying, we have the bipartisan instructor bill, we're working to make their lives better, we are trying to work out the economy, bringing new kind of industries and so the conversation is quite different, and what i think you will also see is a very seriousness that biting will have around taking sure that the justice department has the independence it needs as well as articulating, really, the seriousness and making sure to give space to the seriousness of what this country is going to go through over the next year —— what biden. i think they are handling it well know and biden should continue to focus on what is that americans kitchen tables right now.— tables right now. justine, 'ust aaivin tables right now. justine, 'ust giving yogi tables right now. justine, 'ust giving your spirits * tables right now. justine, 'ust giving your spirits in i tables right now. justine, just - giving your spirits in government, i just wonder the —— what it is like don acker how do

you deal with opposition politicians, politicians who potentially come to power again, which donald trump may well do the how does it affect your calculation if potentially someone you're going have to be dealing with is in court, accused of these crimes, innocent, i should absently trust, of course, but does it affect any kind of calculation i think ithink in i think in the case of —— calculation? i i think in the case of -- calculation?— i think in the case of -- calculation? ~ . .. , ., calculation? i think in a case of donald trump, it _ calculation? i think in a case of donald trump, it will— calculation? i think in a case of donald trump, it will have - calculation? i think in a case of donald trump, it will have an l calculation? i think in a case of- donald trump, it will have an impact on the _ donald trump, it will have an impact on the ability to share intelligence. i served on the nationat— intelligence. i served on the national security council for nearly four years. — national security council for nearly four years, and it national security council for nearly fouryears, and it is national security council for nearly four years, and it is inevitably going — four years, and it is inevitably going to — four years, and it is inevitably going to trigger a thought process on how— going to trigger a thought process on how to — going to trigger a thought process on how to approach that, if the leader— on how to approach that, if the leader of— on how to approach that, if the leader of the us themselves has had charges _ leader of the us themselves has had charges like this brought against them. _ charges like this brought against them, hopefully by the time in the presidential election they will be proven— presidential election they will be proven or— presidential election they will be proven or not, you are right to point — proven or not, you are right to point out — proven or not, you are right to

point out that today donald trump has put _ point out that today donald trump has put in — point out that today donald trump has put in a not guilty plea. so these — has put in a not guilty plea. so these things do matter and i think these things do matter and i think the issue — these things do matter and i think the issue perhaps for the uk government prior to donald trump 0zment— government prior to donald trump ozment election was maybe they're not been _ ozment election was maybe they're not been sufficient serious thought given— not been sufficient serious thought given to _ not been sufficient serious thought given to the fact that he might well win. given to the fact that he might well win~ 0f— given to the fact that he might well win. of course at the time, britain had been — win. of course at the time, britain had been going through our own brexit— had been going through our own brexit referendum, so there was a huge _ brexit referendum, so there was a huge amount of turmoil, but, yes, we do have _ huge amount of turmoil, but, yes, we do have to _ huge amount of turmoil, but, yes, we do have to find ways as a government, as a country, to work with a — government, as a country, to work with a whole — government, as a country, to work with a whole range of leaders. some of them _ with a whole range of leaders. some of them will be of a similar mind politically but many of them will not be _ politically but many of them will not be and you have to find a way to nevertheless have strong functioning relationships with them.— relationships with them. justine greeninu , relationships with them. justine greening, thank _ relationships with them. justine greening, thank you _ relationships with them. justine greening, thank you very - relationships with them. justine greening, thank you very much | relationships with them. justine i greening, thank you very much for your contributions. we really appreciate your time this evening, a remarkable couple of hours. we would say goodbye to you and our other panelists. amanda, thanks to you. that is a mandarin sharia. we are going to stay on the pictures in miami. i hope you understand. and

also things to my guest leslie vinjamuri. thank you to for your expertise for something you very much. we are almost over with these proceedings, this stage here in miami. what will happen now is that as that plane taxis around, with donald trump the former us presidents inside, he will now take off and fly to newjersey, one of his residences up there, then he will speak to his supporters, and reporters, i presume too, at a rally there, and we will wait to see how he assesses what just there, and we will wait to see how he assesses whatjust happened. his court appearance. we have had one the idea already. he made a stop at a famous bakery there in miami and he spoke briefly to cameras and he gave his first inkling of his response to the process. he said, this is a rich country. he said is a country that is corrupt. he said it

is a nation in decline. he said it is a nation in decline. he said it is a nation in decline. he said it is a country in decline —— rigged country. we have the first thoughts of donald trump to his court appearance. plenty more coverage to come. forthe appearance. plenty more coverage to come. for the moment, appearance. plenty more coverage to come. forthe moment, i'm lewis vaughanjones. this is bbc news. hello there. it's been a dry day for many parts of the uk today. and in the sunshine, we have seen the temperatures soaring. we reached a milestone today because, for the first time ever on 13june, the temperature in the uk topped 30 celsius. we reached that milestone in west wales, but also into sussex. fewer storms around, but they have been going across parts of the highlands, some thunderstorms and some very heavy rain. also had a few storms across the western side of northern ireland. but higher pressure building across from scandinavia, turning to ease those storms away and introduce some slightly fresher air, so it should be a bit more comfortable for sleeping. overnight tonight, after those storms move away, it'll be dry, clear. a little bit misty in the southwest

and maybe up towards some northeastern parts of scotland. but otherwise, clear skies, slightly fresher air, losing that humidity — so temperatures will be a bit lower, and maybe getting down as low as nine celsius in the north east of england. and over the next few days, we keep this warm, dry, and sunny picture going, but it will be cooler at night. and so, as we head into wednesday, sunny skies for much of the uk. the winds are quite light, coming in on an easterly breeze across east anglia and the southeast, 1—2 bits of fair weather cloud developing in the south, and a small chance of a shower up towards the highlands where temperatures will be 24—25 celsius. could make 30 celsius perhaps in the southeast of england, around the london area. but on thursday, it's a similar sort of story again — dry, sunny conditions, the winds very light, starting to warm up in the eastern side of the uk, chance of a storm later in the hills of wales, and perhaps for northern ireland. but those temperatures are beginning to lift across eastern areas, and we're looking at generally highs of 26—27 celsius.

things may start to change by the end of the week, higher pressure retreating away, this area of low pressure trying to push in from the atlantic — that's likely to bring more cloud through the day on friday for western parts of the uk, maybe some heavy showers, northern ireland, far west of england and wales, and perhaps into the southwest of scotland. further east, still dry, should be dry for the start of the test match at edgbaston, in the ashes, and temperatures across the eastern side of the uk will be reaching 26—27 celsius again. into the weekend, things into the weekend, things do start to change — do start to change — we're looking at showers developing we're looking at showers developing in more of the uk, and that showery in more of the uk, and that showery theme continues into next week. theme continues into next week.

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tonight — donald trump becomes the first former us three people are killed and three others injured in a series of attacks in nottingham — police have a suspect but are yet to establish a motive. we are keeping an open mind and are working closely with counterterrorism policing to establish the facts. among the dead — 19—year—old barnaby webber — a student at nottingham university. and our other main story this evening: he's now formally pleaded not

guilty on charges that could see him go to jail — and we can't let it happen.