ha?e ha’xre gaff 1h: the united states. i have got to -ause. the united states. i have got to pause. that is _ the united states. i have got to pause. that is just _ the united states. i have got to pause. that is just and - the united states. i have got to pause. that isjust and if- the united states. i have got to i pause. that isjust and if ordinary pause. that is just and if ordinary thought, and it isjust a little thought, and it isjust a little thought experiment, but you could have a sitting us president facing a trial while also being us president? yes, you could. that doesn't mean that a _ yes, you could. that doesn't mean that a judge — yes, you could. that doesn't mean that a judge would allow it, the supreme court might say no. of course _ supreme court might say no. of course he would resist it and say that, _ course he would resist it and say that, no, — course he would resist it and say that, no, that interferes with his presidential duties, he argued to the supreme court of the united states— the supreme court of the united states at— the supreme court of the united states at this subpoena from the new york state _ states at this subpoena from the new york state prosecutors interfered with his _ york state prosecutors interfered with his presidential duties and nomadic— with his presidential duties and nomadic in 2020 and that was rejected —— in 2020. they sided with the prosecutors. a criminal trial, whether— the prosecutors. a criminal trial, whether it — the prosecutors. a criminal trial, whether it would be allowed with a sitting _ whether it would be allowed with a sitting president, we will see, we will see _ sitting president, we will see, we will see what the courts will do. i want _ will see what the courts will do. i want to— will see what the courts will do. i want to emphasise that there is an ongoing _ want to emphasise that there is an ongoing investigation by the department ofjustice of the whole another— department ofjustice of the whole another set of charges for sedition and insurrection in connection with generate _ and insurrection in connection with generate six of 2021, and if he were

to be _ generate six of 2021, and if he were to be charged with sedition or insurrection, there are even more serious _ insurrection, there are even more serious consequences, and if he were to be _ serious consequences, and if he were to be charged with sedition or insurrection, there are even more serious _ insurrection, there are even more serious consequences constitutional questions _ serious consequences constitutional questions —— january 6. anyone who has pledged — questions —— january 6. anyone who has pledged a oath of loyalty and given— has pledged a oath of loyalty and given aid — has pledged a oath of loyalty and given aid or comfort to an insurrection is barred from public office _ insurrection is barred from public office and — insurrection is barred from public office. and that is under the constitution, so these charges might not be _ constitution, so these charges might not be disqualifying, they are not mentioned in the constitution, with respect _ mentioned in the constitution, with respect to— mentioned in the constitution, with respect to classified information, but if— respect to classified information, but if the — respect to classified information, but if the january 6 investigation leads— but if the january 6 investigation leads to — but if the january 6 investigation leads to terminal charges against dohatd _ leads to terminal charges against donald trump for insurrection, he could _ donald trump for insurrection, he could very— donald trump for insurrection, he could very well be disqualified and removed _ could very well be disqualified and removed from the ballot if he is deemed — removed from the ballot if he is deemed to be guilty of insurrection or giving _ deemed to be guilty of insurrection or giving aid or comfort, is the language — or giving aid or comfort, is the language used in the 14th amendment, section— language used in the 14th amendment, section three. so we have yet to see where _ section three. so we have yet to see where that investigation goes, with jack smith, the same special prosecutor, charged with following through _ prosecutor, charged with following through with that. gk,

prosecutor, charged with following through with that.— through with that. 0k, thank you, both. just stand _ through with that. 0k, thank you, both. just stand by _ through with that. 0k, thank you, both. just stand by one _ through with that. 0k, thank you, both. just stand by one second . through with that. 0k, thank you, l both. just stand by one second for stomach couple more details coming through from inside that courtroom we are sitting to my left or right. left. the couple details coming through from the reuters news agency. first one is that the judge rules that donald trump is not allowed to communicate with potential witnesses in the case, cnn reporting that, coming to us by reuters. secondly, donald trump's aid pleads not guilty in the case, as we expect donald trump has already pled not guilty. his aide also now pleading not guilty. luscious head back forfinal thoughts from lauren i'm afraid we just lost lauren for the moment. we had a little bit of bill —— difficult with her line. just checking you can hear me? no. we

tried. thank you lauren wright and richard painterfor being tried. thank you lauren wright and richard painter for being with tried. thank you lauren wright and richard painterfor being with me for the last half or so, as we've been looking through some of the potential consequences about the event going on right now inside that court building, live in miami. let's just take you through all the different live picture we have right now, just to keep right up to date with what has happened. these pictures that you're seeing are the courthouse, clearly aerial pictures from the helicopter there. we also do have access to other camera feed positions. this is on the ground level. at the courthouse there. that is the shot that we will be waiting for, as and when donald trump leaves, which we are not expected to be too long. the proceedings inside courts are fairly standard, fairly quick, fairly barren. it is not to long, so it should not be long before he leaves potentially from that exit there, in that motorcade,

and will be heading straight to miami international airport. from there, he will fly back to new jersey, and while he is at new jersey, and while he is at new jersey, that is when we are respecting to hear from jersey, that is when we are respecting to hearfrom him. he will hold a rally, he will talk to his supporters and he will use this as a fundraising opportunity. these are other live pictures we have, clearly in the distance there, some supporters and potential opponents lining the streets. there have not been that many, nomia iqbal our correspondent on the ground they're saying hundreds the more accurate number. yeah, we will be waiting and covering that donald trump rally

inthe in the court proceedings in new york, we had those pictures of him walking through those doors famously. we are not going to get that kind of access this time. as for a sense, to try and inside what donald trump is thinking right now, what his emotions are, we have got a sense of that on the way to court, because he did put out a message on his social media platform, and he says, quote, it is one of the saddest days in the history of our country, we are a nation in decline. so, pretty defiant message, and actually we did hear from so, pretty defiant message, and actually we did hearfrom his spokesperson too outside court, where they very similar message, talking about the fact that this kind of behaviour is political, not legal, and it has its place in other countries and not the us. i don't know whether we have that short

interview that she gave. i don't know whether we can play that. let's take a listen to the spokesperson speaking here on behalf of donald trump. speaking here on behalf of donald trum -. . speaking here on behalf of donald trum. . , ., . speaking here on behalf of donald trum. . ,., . trump. the executive branch has the ower to trump. the executive branch has the power to summarily _ trump. the executive branch has the power to summarily declassify - power to summarily declassify documents. the decision to pursue charges against president trump while turning a blind eye to others is enzymatic of the corruption that we have here. —— emblematic. we are at a turning point in our nation's history. the targeting, prosecution of a leading political opponent is the type of thing you see in dictatorships, like cuba and venezuela. it is commonplace there for rival candidates to be prosecuted, persecuted and put into jail. what is being done to the

president trump should terrify all citizens of this country. these are not the ideals that our micro c is founded upon. this is not our america —— our democracy is founded upon full thank you. what america -- our democracy is founded upon full thank you.— upon full thank you. what is happening _ upon full thank you. what is happening right _ upon full thank you. what is happening right now - upon full thank you. what is happening right now inside l upon full thank you. what is i happening right now inside the courthouse? has he been arrested? has he been figure printed? has a mug shot been taken? walk us through what has happened.— what has happened. president trump is in a very unique — what has happened. president trump is in a very unique position where - is in a very unique position where he does not need to be given a mug shot, obviously, he is not a flight risk, he is the leading candidate of the gop at the moment. he is going through the process that has been coordinated with secret service and it will all be handled seamlessly. the attorneys... it will all be handled seamlessly. the attorneys. . ._ it will all be handled seamlessly. the attorneys... what is the state of mind, the attorneys. .. what is the state of mind. real— the attorneys... what is the state of mind, real quick? _ the attorneys... what is the state of mind, real quick? he _ the attorneys... what is the state of mind, real quick? he is - the attorneys... what is the state | of mind, real quick? he is defiant. was donald _ of mind, real quick? he is defiant. was donald trump's _ of mind, real quick? he is defiant. l was donald trump's spokesperson of mind, real quick? he is defiant. - was donald trump's spokesperson just about an hour or so ago, just outside the court, as we keep you

read across those live pictures in miami. that is the courthouse. as and when donald trump leaves, we will be heading to the scammers on the ground to get that departure. let's bring in now ian bremmer, political scientist and president of the eurasia group, a political consultancy company and still with us, you will see richard richard —— richard painter. thank you very much for staying with us. let's get a fresh perspective, though, because as we just keep these live pictures going, ian bremmer, just want to cross to you. what are your thoughts and religions as we wait now for donald trump to leave court? i and religions as we wait now for donald trump to leave court? i agree with firm president _ donald trump to leave court? i agree with firm president trump _ donald trump to leave court? i agree with firm president trump that - donald trump to leave court? i agree with firm president trump that the i with firm president trump that the us is in decline, specifically political decline. it is not economic decline, not technological, not military, but politically, either the uk or other countries around the world used to look at the united states as an exemplar of

effective, cutting governance. people wanted their countries to be run more like the united states. nobody looking at the us today would say that, and it hurts me, i mean, it hurts my heart to say that, as an american, someone born here. trump is of course at least in part responsible for that, not holy, but certainly... he has done more than his part. certainly... he has done more than his art. ~ ., , certainly... he has done more than his art. ~ . , . certainly... he has done more than his art, . ., , . ., , his part. what is the source of this dechne his part. what is the source of this decline in your _ his part. what is the source of this decline in your view, _ his part. what is the source of this decline in your view, ian? - his part. what is the source of this decline in your view, ian? the - his part. what is the source of this decline in your view, ian? the factl decline in your view, ian? the fact that american _ decline in your view, ian? the fact that american citizens _ decline in your view, ian? the fact that american citizens no - decline in your view, ian? the fact that american citizens no longer i that american citizens no longer agree on the idea that their leaders and other institutions are legitimate. they questioned the election, they question the legend —— to question the legitimacy of the supreme court and theirjudicial system for some republicans that support trump increasingly question the legitimacy of the department of justice. he still happened with the 2020 election. we continue to do unprecedented things, unprecedented

things in terms of the city first time you've had a president indicted twice, convicted not of course because impeachment is broken as if illegal process. that is new. the first time a former president has ever been federally indicted. i don't like to see so many unprecedented things happen by tuesday in the united states, especially when those political records are not one that you are proud of breaking, so there isjust an awful lot happening that makes american citizens no longer believe as much in their political system. interesting. you would prefer a more boring politics for stubs they right there, ian. we are going to come back to you. our correspondent nomia iqbal is therefore to bring us up to speed with what has been happening there. . , speed with what has been happening there. ., , , , , there. donald trump is still inside there. donald trump is still inside the courtroom. _ there. donald trump is still inside the courtroom. before _ there. donald trump is still inside the courtroom. before he - there. donald trump is still inside the courtroom. before he enteredl there. donald trump is still inside . the courtroom. before he entered his plea, he sat there with his arms crossed in front of the judge. he was wearing a dark suit and a red

tie are usually what he wears. also there was walt nauta, his age, who has been indicted on one of the counts. he used to work for donald trump when trump was in the white house and canadian working for him after trump left. and the judge house and canadian working for him after trump left. and thejudge has told donald trump, who has pleaded not guilty, that he is allowed to leave the court without any conditions. we cannot move the camera, but i know you were showing pictures, but here it is fairly calm and quiet but further towards the entrance of the court, you have many trump supporters, probably about a couple of hundred, oil less than what was predicted. miami police had prepared for about 50,000 protesters. there also counter protesters. there also counter protesters as well. police have kept them as part as much as possible. generally it has been fine, there has not been any kind of... there were concerns that could be huge protests and fights and what have you. we have not seen any of that. subjugation that donald trump when

he leaves the courtroom, he might come outside the entrance, through an underground tunnel —— some suggestion that. not sure when he will come out. as i mentioned he can leave, there are no conditions. although he is technically under arrest and in custody, he is not deemed a flight risk and is expected to leave fly out of the state to a second herd in bedminster in new jersey. second herd in bedminster in new jerse . ., , ., second herd in bedminster in new jerse . . ., second herd in bedminster in new jerse. . ., ., , , ., jersey. have you got any timings for an of jersey. have you got any timings for any of this? — jersey. have you got any timings for any of this? just _ jersey. have you got any timings for any of this? just mark— jersey. have you got any timings for any of this? just mark our— jersey. have you got any timings for any of this? just mark our card. - any of this? just mark our card. what can we expect any minutes hours ahead? to what can we expect any minutes hours ahead? ., , ., , i. ahead? to be honest with you, the last time i saw _ ahead? to be honest with you, the last time i saw some _ last time i saw some timings yesterday, they did not actually come to fruition. fik. there was this come to fruition. 0k. there was this thin come to fruition. ok. there was this thing about donald trump would appear in the court at three p:m.. i was totally wrong about that. when it comes to donald trump them you cannot predict much, but the arraignment should not take much time, we are told... we believe he is still inside the courthouse. and if he does come out of he does speak

to supporters, of course we will capture that and we will... i will certainly hear it from over here. great stuff. nomia, keep your eyes and ears open. thank you very much for that. musk to our panel. ian bremmer is still with us and lauren, i am pleased to say, is back alongside richard painterfor i kind of touch with a little bit there as we went back live to the scene, i will come to you. on the detail of what he has been accused of, how do you think they reflect that decline in your opinion and how serious do you judge them and how serious does the us publicjudge them? i you judge them and how serious does the us publicjudge them? ”think the us public 'udge them? i think the us public 'udge them? i think the are the us publicjudge them? i think they are serious _ the us publicjudge them? i think they are serious in _ the us publicjudge them? i think they are serious in the _ the us publicjudge them? i think they are serious in the sense - the us publicjudge them? i think they are serious in the sense that they are serious in the sense that the amount of classified materials we are talking about, as well as the scope of the lying and obstruction has gone on in response to the american authorities and wanting access to those, as well beyond any senior leader we have ever

encountered in american history, so in that regard, this should be a relatively easy case to try. on the other hand, so it is serious about do not consider it as serious personally as what we saw with trump's efforts to overturn the legitimate outcomes of the election in georgia, another case which is moving, and where we have tapes. in the grand scheme of things, i think that will have more impact on, say, independent voters in the united states than what we see around classified materials, especially with all the disinformation and polarisation in the us, a great many americans will have a hard time parsing, how is this worse than hillary clinton, how is this worse than joe hillary clinton, how is this worse thanjoe biden? but also keep in mind that none of this is going to get resolved, especially with a justice that will be hearing this case who has been appointed by

trump, and so any delays that the trump, and so any delays that the trump team wants, they will likely get, which means that you will have a nomination process that will be concluded well before we get the results of this case stuck they will be the case the election has concluded before you get the results of this case, and all of this, it just play so badly for rule of law in the united states, it plays so badly for the american legal system, for american democracy, but of course it also plays in the middle of an election where trump is probably slightly more likely to get the nomination because of these charges, because of these indictments. that feels like an insane thing for me to say, and yet analytically i do believe it is the case. , ., �* , case. interesting. lauren, let's come back— case. interesting. lauren, let's come back to _ case. interesting. lauren, let's come back to you. _ case. interesting. lauren, let's come back to you. we - case. interesting. lauren, let's come back to you. we know. case. interesting. lauren, let'sl come back to you. we know that donald trump will be speaking, or the plan is for him to speak when he flies back to newjersey after this. annie don't make any sense, and guess what he will say and what the

message is that people get out —— any sense, any gas? the message is that people get out -- any sense, any gas? the message is when he has — any sense, any gas? the message is when he has sent _ any sense, any gas? the message is when he has sent before. _ any sense, any gas? the message is when he has sent before. it - any sense, any gas? the message is when he has sent before. it is - any sense, any gas? the message is when he has sent before. it is that i when he has sent before. it is that he is _ when he has sent before. it is that he is the _ when he has sent before. it is that he is the victim _ when he has sent before. it is that he is the victim of— when he has sent before. it is that he is the victim of the _ when he has sent before. it is that he is the victim of the witchhunt, i he is the victim of the witchhunt, there's— he is the victim of the witchhunt, there's a — he is the victim of the witchhunt, there's a conspiracy— he is the victim of the witchhunt, there's a conspiracy against - he is the victim of the witchhunt, there's a conspiracy against him, i there's a conspiracy against him, there's a conspiracy against him, the government— there's a conspiracy against him, the government and _ there's a conspiracy against him, the government and many- there's a conspiracy against him, the government and many of- there's a conspiracy against him, . the government and many of these judges _ the government and many of these judges are — the government and many of these judges are ones— the government and many of these judges are ones he _ the government and many of these judges are ones he appointed - the government and many of these judges are ones he appointed and i judges are ones he appointed and justice _ judges are ones he appointed and justice officials— judges are ones he appointed and justice officials are _ judges are ones he appointed and justice officials are once - judges are ones he appointed and justice officials are once he - justice officials are once he appointed, _ justice officials are once he appointed, are _ justice officials are once he appointed, are out - justice officials are once he appointed, are out to - justice officials are once he appointed, are out to get. justice officials are once he - appointed, are out to get him, and he will— appointed, are out to get him, and he will try. — appointed, are out to get him, and he will try, because _ appointed, are out to get him, and he will try, because it— appointed, are out to get him, and he will try, because it is— he will try, because it is really his only option _ he will try, because it is really his only option at _ he will try, because it is really his only option at this - he will try, because it is really his only option at this point, l he will try, because it is reallyl his only option at this point, to sway— his only option at this point, to sway and — his only option at this point, to sway and energise _ his only option at this point, to sway and energise those - his only option at this point, to - sway and energise those supporters into sticking — sway and energise those supporters into sticking lry— sway and energise those supporters into sticking by his _ sway and energise those supporters into sticking by his side, _ sway and energise those supporters into sticking by his side, but- sway and energise those supporters into sticking by his side, but i- sway and energise those supporters into sticking by his side, but i do. into sticking by his side, but i do have _ into sticking by his side, but i do have a _ into sticking by his side, but i do have a question _ into sticking by his side, but i do have a question about _ into sticking by his side, but i do have a question about what - into sticking by his side, but i do have a question about what you i have a question about what you just said _ have a question about what you just said idon't— have a question about what you just said. i don't know what— have a question about what you just said. i don't know what feels - have a question about what you just said. i don't know what feels like, l said. idon't know what feels like, looks— said. i don't know what feels like, looks like. — said. i don't know what feels like, looks like, from _ said. i don't know what feels like, looks like, from an _ looks like, from an empirical standpoint. _ looks like, from an empirical standpoint, i don't— looks like, from an empiricall standpoint, i don't know what plays means _ standpoint, i don't know what plays means from a — standpoint, i don't know what plays means from a public— standpoint, i don't know what plays means from a public opinion - means from a public opinion standpoint~ _ means from a public opinion standpoint~ i_ means from a public opinion standpoint. i don't - means from a public opinion standpoint. i don't see - means from a public opinion standpoint. i don't see any. means from a public opinion - standpoint. i don't see any evidence that standpoint. idon't see any evidence that trump— standpoint. idon't see any evidence that trump will— standpoint. i don't see any evidence that trump will grow _ standpoint. i don't see any evidence that trump will grow his _ standpoint. i don't see any evidence that trump will grow his numbers i standpoint. i don't see any evidence that trump will grow his numbers of supporters— that trump will grow his numbers of supporters when _ that trump will grow his numbers of supporters when el— that trump will grow his numbers of supporters when el mack, _ that trump will grow his numbers of supporters when el mack, went - that trump will grow his numbers ofi supporters when el mack, went over new supporters, _ supporters when el mack, went over new supporters, because _ supporters when el mack, went over new supporters, because of- supporters when el mack, went over new supporters, because of these i new supporters, because of these indictments— new supporters, because of these indictments -- _ new supporters, because of these indictments —— win _ new supporters, because of these indictments —— win over— new supporters, because of these indictments —— win over new- indictments —— win over new supporters _ indictments —— win over new supporters i_ indictments —— win over new supporters. i get _ indictments —— win over new supporters. i get the - indictments —— win over new supporters. i get the fact - indictments —— win over new. supporters. i get the fact that people — supporters. i get the fact that people that _ supporters. i get the fact that people that love _

supporters. i get the fact that people that love him - supporters. i get the fact that people that love him was - supporters. i get the fact that people that love him was to l supporters. i get the fact that i people that love him was to love supporters. i get the fact that - people that love him was to love him and they— people that love him was to love him and they will— people that love him was to love him and they will be _ people that love him was to love him and they will be by— people that love him was to love him and they will be by his _ people that love him was to love him and they will be by his side _ and they will be by his side until the very— and they will be by his side until the very end. _ and they will be by his side until the very end, but _ and they will be by his side until the very end, but i _ and they will be by his side until the very end, but i don't know. and they will be by his side until. the very end, but i don't know how you court— the very end, but i don't know how you court new _ the very end, but i don't know how you court new voters _ the very end, but i don't know how you court new voters and - the very end, but i don't know how you court new voters and turn - the very end, but i don't know howl you court new voters and turn them out because — you court new voters and turn them out because of— you court new voters and turn them out because of these _ you court new voters and turn them out because of these indictments, i out because of these indictments, and that— out because of these indictments, and that is— out because of these indictments, and that is what _ out because of these indictments, and that is what you _ out because of these indictments, and that is what you do _ out because of these indictments, and that is what you do need - out because of these indictments, and that is what you do need to i out because of these indictments, | and that is what you do need to do to win _ and that is what you do need to do to win a _ and that is what you do need to do to win a national _ and that is what you do need to do to win a national election, - and that is what you do need to do to win a national election, and - and that is what you do need to do to win a national election, and so. and that is what you do need to do to win a national election, and so i do not _ to win a national election, and so i do not agree — to win a national election, and so i do not agree from _ to win a national election, and so i do not agree from the _ to win a national election, and so i do not agree from the standpoint, | to win a national election, and sol. do not agree from the standpoint, as far as _ do not agree from the standpoint, as far as an— do not agree from the standpoint, as far as an electoral— do not agree from the standpoint, as far as an electoral advantage. - far as an electoral advantage. interesting~ _ far as an electoral advantage. interesting. richard, - far as an electoral advantage. interesting. richard, let's- far as an electoral advantage. l interesting. richard, let's come back to you. let's spend just a little bit of time on the judge here, because there has been a little bit of a focus on the role, choice ofjudge eddie rowley will play. choice ofjudge eddie rowley will play- -- choice ofjudge eddie rowley will play. —— choice ofjudge and the role they will play. richard, checking you can hear me, richard? judge cannon. you are asking about judge _ judge cannon. you are asking about judge cannon, whether... i think she should _ judge cannon, whether... i think she should recuse, and we should have another— should recuse, and we should have anotherjudge. the federal statutes another judge. the federal statutes are anotherjudge. the federal statutes are quite _ anotherjudge. the federal statutes are quite clear that a judge, a federal— are quite clear that a judge, a federaljudge, should recruit in any

case in _ federaljudge, should recruit in any case in which her impartiality might reasonably— case in which her impartiality might reasonably be questioned at —— should — reasonably be questioned at —— should recuse. and in this case, judge _ should recuse. and in this case, judge cannon previously issued orders — judge cannon previously issued orders enjoining the justice department from using the very classified documents that belongs to the united states in the course of its investigation. her order was overturned by the court of appeals, unanimously, by a overturned by the court of appeals, unanimously, bya panel of overturned by the court of appeals, unanimously, by a panel of very conservative judges, and it appears thatjudge — conservative judges, and it appears thatjudge cannon was bending over backwards _ thatjudge cannon was bending over backwards to accommodate donald trump's _ backwards to accommodate donald trump's claims that is the former president. — trump's claims that is the former president, just investigating these because _ president, just investigating these because of a document will cause him such reputational injury that somehow she should enter injunction against _ somehow she should enter injunction against the _ somehow she should enter injunction against the investigation. now, you're — against the investigation. now, you're in— against the investigation. now, you're in a _ against the investigation. now, you're in a situation where her views— you're in a situation where her views have _ you're in a situation where her views have been repudiated on that

by the _ views have been repudiated on that by the court of appeals, and so we really— by the court of appeals, and so we really do _ by the court of appeals, and so we really do need a newjudge to try the actual— really do need a newjudge to try the actual criminal case. there are many— the actual criminal case. there are manyjudges in florida and there is no reason forjudge cannon to continue — no reason forjudge cannon to continue presiding over this trial. interesting. just want to jump in there because we are just here from reuters news agency that the trump arraignment hearing has concluded. that is coming from a reuters witness, so we are not independent he confirmed that, but trump arraignment hearing has concluded thatis arraignment hearing has concluded that is according to a witness there for reuters. lauren wright, i know you have to leave us, i want to say thank you very much for your time and your thoughts are really appreciated. lauren wright, thank you for coming on the programme for we are going to kidding with our live coverage. we can see the streets outside the courthouse live in miami. we also have some shots down the street level as well, where you can see some donald trump supporters, i think we can see those

pictures now as well, oh, there might be some bad language, actually, so i am told we're going to stay away from those pictures of people down there on street, we are going to take a distance, a shot from a safe distance, which kind of save everyone's blushes. but there we go, there are some rather heated discussions going on there, don't know quite what is happening there. we'll keep an eye on that. let's go back to our panel, though, as we keep an i on that, richard painter and ian bremmer are with us. ian, just wondered what you had any thoughts there. when it comes to public perception of all this, about the choice ofjudge, whether the judge should recuse themselves of you heard richard's argument there was to what you make of it? richard is riuht. was to what you make of it? richard is right- of — was to what you make of it? richard is right. of course _ was to what you make of it? richard is right. of course richard _ was to what you make of it? richard is right. of course richard is - is right. of course richard is right. and the fact he brought to bear our 100% correct, but as my

mother used to say, it is nice to want, it is better to have. it is nice to one. we need a newjudge. we don't have a process to get that new judge and thisjudge is don't have a process to get that new judge and this judge is clearly not going to recuse herself, so she is going to recuse herself, so she is going to recuse herself, so she is going to be in charge, and yet one more thing that shows that american political institutions are eroding. and that is a real problem. and by the way, i agree with lauren that there is no reason to believe that independent voters are going to be even more attached to trump on the basis of what we are seeing through this and other cases, and there will be several more, i was talking about the nomination stopped in other words i think it more likely that trump is going to get the nomination, at this level of grievance —based politics of which has gotten most of the republican party leadership and a majority of the candidates running against him for the nomination to focus more on the politicisation and weaponisation, as they put it, of the us political system than they do on why they should win and why trump

is unfit. that reality... i’m on why they should win and why trump is unfit. that reality. . ._ is unfit. that reality... i'm 'ust intrigued �* is unfit. that reality... i'm 'ust intrigued by i is unfit. that reality... i'm 'ust intrigued by that i is unfit. that reality... i'm 'ust intrigued by that phrase. h is unfit. that reality... i'm just - intrigued by that phrase. grievance —based politics? just tell me what that means? -based politics? just tell me what that means?— -based politics? just tell me what that means? , , ., ., , that means? trump says very fatally that they are — that means? trump says very fatally that they are not _ that means? trump says very fatally that they are not coming _ that means? trump says very fatally that they are not coming for- that means? trump says very fatally that they are not coming for me, - that they are not coming for me, they are coming for you, theyjust have to come through me —— says very frequently. trump is the guy that is most effective at owning the lives he is the most effective essay the mainstream idea, including the bbc of course, ourfake news, these institutions, the deep state, they are out to take advantage of the average american, the average hard—working american "we are going to make america great again", because in today's america, you, the average american that i care for, the uneducated, the rural american, the uneducated, the rural american, the typical voter, nobody cares about you except me, donald trump, and my maga movement. and in 2016...

since we have not seen since may be the days of george wallace, that is given space politics. these people are angry and he is challenging that righteous anger and he is going —— grievance —based politics. fascinating full tub just so you know, we have... i know the images are duplicated, we will try to fix that cab but this is the motorcade, we believe the front of it, at least, of donald trump leaving court. this is certainly the way that this motorcade went in, and it is quite a few vehicles in it, of course, secret service agents follow every former us president, every movement is highly choreographed for security reasons, as you would imagine, and that is exit part of the reason why donald trump, as we

heard, not considered a flight risk, his movements are pretty well—known, pretty will documented and pretty well correlated with security services. it looks like they are preparing to leave. clearly we don't know what vehicle donald trump is in. if indeed he is in one right now. but his departure looks pretty imminent there, doesn't it? we are expecting him to go from the courthouse here in miami, straight to miami international airport, where he is expected to get on board his aeroplane, trump force one, he calls it himself, up to newjersey, where he was yesterday, and when he gets back to newjersey, then we are expecting to hear from gets back to newjersey, then we are expecting to hearfrom him. he will speak at a rally, he will speak to his supporters,

he will talk about, we presume, what happened there in court and he will use that as a rallying cry to his supporters, as a fundraising mechanism, as a political tool, and we expect to hear some pretty strong words from him if the words we have already heard from him on his social media apps are anything to go by. he sat on the way into court, when he was in his motorcadejust like this, one of the saddest days in history in our country. we are a nation in decline for we will see how long it takes him... he might begin on his phone there in the motorcade. he may have a different message for us after leaving court, but we will have to wait and see that, a little bit of a commotion there. nomia iqbal, our correspondent, was saying that the police are ready and able to deal with a crowd of up to 50,000, but in her opinion, she can

only see hundreds of rather thousands, of people around the court, mainly donald trump supporters protesting against the whole system. they believe this is a politcised judicial system, this is a witchhunt, in donald trump's words, but there were some opponents of donald trump there as well for as is often the way, you can see, once there is a bit of a fracas, altercation, journalists around, want to get some images of it for their news service, so i think that's from there around it was perhaps her on those police officers with that one protester we saw. we'll keep an eye on that, but as you can see, the helicopter images there of the journey now of former president donald trump heading to miami international airport. president donald trump heading to miami internationalairport. he president donald trump heading to miami international airport. he has just become the first former president to appear in court on

federal charges, 37 criminal charges, read out against him, and he has pleaded not guilty to those charges. it is in its ordinary moment in us history —— an extraordinary moment. even if it is when he could almost call familiar now, of course we did see that court appearance from donald trump in new york earlier this year. they were on state charges brought by new york state government rather than federal charges like these. in new york, we did see those images of don from inside the court building. we did not get those on this occasion, the federal courts slightly different rules are no cameras in courts for this occasion, and in terms of the hearing itself, pretty procedural, it seems pretty quick.

it was never going to be anything other than that. he went in, he was driven in an his motorcade into the basement of the court building there in miami, he was booked, so figure prince taken, dna swab, we presume, no mug shot. there would ordinarily be a mug shot, but i did not happen, we are told. then he was arraigned, and that arraignment exactly means the charges are read out, he pled not guilty. he was declared not a flight risk, for those obvious reasons that we are talking about just a little earlier, and then he left the stub that is the end of his proceedings for the moment. we were not expecting to get any kind of date or anything like that for his trial. but we may get more details on that. the one other detail i have not been mentioning is one of his aides also there, also charged, also pled not guilty. so, just coming up

to the top of the hour, just coming up to the top of the hour, just coming up to 9pm here in london. these are live pictures of donald trump in his motorcade, leaving court in an historic moment for us politics, for the usjudicial system, one that many did not want to see full time many did not want to see full time many of his supporters don't want to see it and actually many of his opponents do not want to see it. many fearful of the president it —— precedent it sets, a former us president being taken for those details in court, which does not set a very good example to the rest of the world. we have been hearing from some of our analysts, richard painter and some of our analysts, richard painterand ian some of our analysts, richard painter and ian bremmer, some of our analysts, richard painterand ian bremmer, echoing those thoughts that this is effectively not good look.

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