national people's congress, all under pressure to stave off potential. i'm impressed and convinced the public the chinese front of me is not defined with detailed coverage despite the show of course money here realize yorba is not ready to defend itself without the house from the united states. from around the world, advocates for the homeless se criminalizing people who live on the street simply won't work, especially in a city like los angeles. the fly cons nigeria stop the keep, nothing goes school children. almost 300 pupils are missing. also the latest is a figment attacks the mass abductions planes or bombs goose, and found it's demanding, run some hallways, the nigerian government, failing to deal with a long running problem. this is inside story, the

hello. welcome to the program. i am how sion had a bottle? it's a bit pounds nightmare. the kidnapping of that children. it happens old too often the light julia in the 2nd mazda abduction within a week gun man kidnapped what somebody bought, say around 300 school children. many of us may remember the 2 books school guys, i'll talk to the buy book ahead on 5 to 10 years ago, kidnappings, and we main common with thousands of my jillions sees in the past few years. the government has promised to improve security above the army is pressing. so while the attacks still happening and what needs to be done to make them stop, we go to all upon it in just a moment, but 1st vent him on on. has this report the family's hearing could do an estate want answers. armed men rated their village and kidnapped for more than $200.00 children. many save the failure of security is the

government's bolts. please help us. what is the president, where's the governor? is the 2nd rated rule nigeria within a week thousands have been abducted in recent years by arm groups seeking new recruits or ransom money. the state governor of kaduna has promised to do everything he can to bring the children home. the, the g i as much as possible to ensure that able to tell the tone 10 years ago school girls and she both made international headlines more than 270 were kids out from the school and bore no state. many were turned, but even today, the whereabouts of some remain unknown. 10 years on mass kidnappings are still common. nigeria is economic crisis and high unemployment has made things even worse . driving young man to join our groups. some such as bulk over um have political goals. but activists say other groups are simply out to make money. they have

little back to congestion that they also engage in active getting up in the bone down villages. they. i taught from us that taught commuters, that tax course not bundis as simply what you've written by money. they have no reason just ident that it was, they came up, you pay them, you go. government leaders a place to fight back against the kidnapping crime wave. but the army spread, then fighting armed groups on several fronts. many regions of nigeria are lawless. restoring security is a major challenge. benton monahan, l. g 0 for inside story. the resume of the gas, joining us from nigeria as carpets and a bu jeff, it's kennedy or can you other issues founder and executive director of potters, west africa, but novel katya is in london. hayes, senior fellow of the tony by institute for global change and from kaduna in nigeria,

we have so did god bless, show who the security and defense consultant will come to the program. can me, it is the same pattern that repeats itself time and again on demand. why didn't get into villages storming, schools low, think and kidnapping. do we know who they all? um. we suspect i would say a lot of the narrative is around the benefits. and that the find dates um from hiding in the bushes that have taken so is in the unborn spaces on coming to this village is to read. in some cases the that is also the narrative that in the mix 3 the by the i'm the in. so dense law moving down from the not as collaboration with an findings in the, in the northwest, so technically will be we're not sure who they are. hm. but uh,

if the motive was run some you would assume that they would go off to well say neighborhoods, but these people are doing exactly the same thing, which is targeting schools, pool areas, desolate parts of the country. does it make sense to you? i mean, if we look at what the location is about the past few years, uh they do try get uh cbm notations that you would normally do using these pool. but the model whole patient is that when they attach schools on the notations associated with the government, then they would be able to that sort of grandsons, bathroom government and from publications. and i think that it, let us in the event from that to what colors window go out on the beach. what does it have? some of 20242014, sorry. no one thought they were going to make community out of them. but when they sort of that government at the time, what year to book an item on page,

the least of nigeria sort, oh there is money to be made. it was good children, if they will deduct it, because that will cost the outrage and based off quality assurance to be all. so the less cooling cut doing that is now in touch with the negotiators to try to work out the deed with the kidnappers, west west, and the local authority to well, i think of the failure to stop a tax on the schools in the us, especially in the northern part of nigeria is, can believe that can be shared by the federal government, by the state governments, by the local governments. and before i put in the private schools, by wonderful private schools with regard to negotiations that are to uh, tories out there. because want us to government because uh, you know, it just moves to the, for the accident was yes because our friend and it wouldn't be able to meet with the bodies. but how about, like i said, all the 3 tiers, a woman would have to, you know, the, i would have to blame for this data aspects that have to be done by the federal

government. that i'm completely optional, that can be taken by the state governments. data company method, so that can be taken little by the square footage is incomplete. to meet us. however, i would not have it all. you need to option between this irrespective this uh, laptop. we to find that uh, this area is gonna do that is multiple se by telephone service that has nothing to for communication there. mm hm. uh, that is, uh, no, any politician privilege can buy it right now. and uh, well the, i talked to place around uh, 7 type people around 8. it was fully 4 hours later about 12 pm. that government adjusted where it would do that. there was one on the truck there. so you could see that's the problem with infrastructure that supports the problem of uh, the government to the system. because what do i, what do i mean? yeah. when you look at the split from the you do a physically uniform that is cool in the middle of nowhere that it went to, you know, basic uh, friends, putting it up for just up some bear. there is no any,

uh, sort of, uh, security it what and what kind of security want that's the department that will look for this for you. what i'm do look totally cool after this. cool. you know, if, if you're going to, most of the homeless person that, you know, would have the big data look any security on the ground, okay. of the federal level, you know, data last, last export declutter. so we'll split it, should you? but the block only stops you know who you hold. the pool is such an especial task for full, for centuries. yes, you hear of this civil defense ec set them up. a special type of supposed to go to school for the trip. is that all the options for one company? yeah, it is a kind of concrete class. once we get into of the school that is completely upset. all right, kimmy. if you look up the situation now the reason why ben to treehouse lived in the north western part of the country is a combination of different factors, unemployment, poverty, mismanagement of public funds,

a disgruntled population. and the government. he's saying about it is going to send the ministry to try to control the situation. do you think that just by sending troops who would be able to put an end to this practice? i don't think so. i don't think so. and um, the reason i mean we've been having that new jesup rouge to this issue. it's an insecurity issue. that is the, is call mainly by fee of a couple of minutes and them. so the alluded to that. so we have recently called the p, a federal government that states and up and we have visibly confidently a states government that speed up the speed copy to the local government administration in nigeria is missed and then has been nice and for more than the cost of 20 years and no elections to create another local government level. one says, no one says governance structure at the local government level. and i would say in

some places totally, it will that in some places you can build speed, a snapshots of it. so infrastructure is not on the ground, it for some reason, nothing. brown, all the things that need to build on needs is nothing brown. the criminal justice system is this big capital. when we're talking ministry roll out into the base right now, the military is right across the 6 states of f. 50 full deployments across the country. that's the responsibility of the many cheap. what's the responsibility of the police? the police give presently reach nancy? i'm recruitment, it's supposed to be 10000, i think, across the country. but what's the, how do they arrive at the numbers for $10000.00? is there enough assessments for us to know what the police in talent is across the country so that we know the numbers that we need to build up that most systematic

approach to this? but everything is just on based on the plan. okay. okay. process. so we need to deployment, i would say no would, must address it. thank you. but am i speaking of the oh oh, the else is available for the full for the government, but not how much to noble you know, way is grappling with the same challenge that faced his petty assess a multiple body before which is basically the spot to begin was but then they suddenly discovered reality was something different. this just try to unpack what is happening in the north west, some parts of the country band, it's controlled or we massive area. but to kennedy, the rugal forest, which spends some followed, i could see in the kaduna and also so go to and cubby. and if you send the army or the police, everybody knows there's opposite to nothing they can do to fix this problem. unless there is a massive, dramatic change of the way the government deals with those issues. what do you

think would be the 1st step to be done by the president? a new line you say, this is a situation that has been ice collision by space. and you've over the last 8 years, but it's a big kisses to of even 90 and, but indeed you can cut off. now judy uh has been there for decades. um, as we speak about the estimate is about that are around 2000 bundy members divided into around 100 different groups reaching couple into north and north central northwest and nigeria. and they have taken by hundreds of villages. please look at, i don't know what else i looking for the defense and tradition of who lives on hopkins. lived people in hundreds of be places right now, especially in the wisdom that julia. oh but oh yeah. the other half this night, there's plenty to buy. it is not in buying it. extreme is bruce uh, both uh,

what city will be the bad luck. the manufacture defects as a book where i'm calling on the ground and do not wish to impact if not judy out on some she already see this back in july, i talked with glen debited by that i'm trying to affiliate a book to a 100. i'm going, i'm 7, nothing, nothing is short. oh no we, i'm not sure which group is responsible when it comes to what needs to be done now or the 5 step. the 1st step is necessarily security. because this is the question of security. when you have the most engaging villages to link hundreds of the most and not julian's every month, i'm repeating, we meant a 13 month thing to be to us and my us in order to get the extra money from their properties and from government. the government has to respond with, which means the boss, okay? but you know, and of course, when they responded, we've made it to you for us. then you have to been stats in the media and the long

run. to start to address this, what's your point? it's going to have the kind of big issues driving some of these things. okay. including the white press drive job, but maybe you know what is necessary. it's not, you know, now it has to continue a new type of to be improved. so the, but i'm a has just said we need more books on the ground, but president brought to know by himself said we need to reform the secuity. it provides us the ministry in particular to tackle contemporary security challenges. because i mean, you ask anyone with basic knowledge of security and who would tell you this is a massive intelligence fadia from the middle trace, thomas man, but also from the police and from the local authorities. each time was setting the same pattern, which is, even if you send thousands and thousands of soldiers the moment you don't have the intelligence, you won't be able to stop these things. yes, i completely agree with you that uh, before we talk about send this logistical police because that to be very active,

you know its task. what do we do before to find out what schools it does not have to be all the i was i was scheduled for the color schools that are the substitute declaration, you know, which gives certain face that to the. busy office of, of the shows a different levels can do before before school starts with the basics. we develop this question that julia without accommodation for, for students. and for the couple of days, we have a business pool, which i'll give them the basic uh, you know, of the payments references where bill the schools would talk to wouldn't have been a lot collab and see of of the gospel security people list is. so with, with this, so the interrupt is just for the seconds if you don't mind but, but what about does not seem to agree with you a total of this. what am i doing? i don't have to be exempt because why don't i come to? so dick is defined to, is the school is going to get to back,

was introduced for uh, around 10 years ago, who went to what incident? no idea that you kind of nice to live schools and provide security within when insecurity to use uh, endemic in the heart of the country is jessica pharmacy is the one to see that would never happen. if you want to talk against jody to you, you have to talk because you drop the whole community and you have to confront details on the way to confront is do you have that one is for taking the fight to the bundy. the gun seem to force you cannot pro tech school into the nice relation of the rest of the community created outside to couple in the heart of the community. and you want to protect just one that hundreds of schools across north and not julia millions. now if you like, i believe you about to get our primaries, the country i new device, do you know how i am going to i submitted those? how are you going to do most of them in selection of the, of the, of the business idea? let's, let's, let's subject develop further his, his own idea. yes,

of the points i'm making, you know, the idea because we will know the import us or the future. we will know the importance of education. the idea because of course, is that not have the security situation to address will be able to go to school and get your clara for them the where, you know, this is about the subject before a couple of beams in that julia. so what the forces base before do of it, you won't go. so the idea is that how do we ensure our use pointing towards the top to the casual and that is low future and you just click this button. it's one of the public schools. i swear attractive to them because the you very easy talk. well can say the desktop targets. so this was the reason why i was of the, of, of, of the data. well, that's what you would use is what's called spin targets. it the only option we have not used for children going to school, which will okay for the future or the company which will not be good for the future of this week or so. but that's why the security challenges our children, our grandchildren, due to going to support this is the reason why i was given special info. i'm for

the next visit, but it is from dispos that attracted kemi. the local authorities have tried in the past. these deals and it's days, it didn't work. now they are trying to recruit vigilantes in the area. isn't this just another indication of a failure at all levels of the federal, the local um i think it's uh, i mean the, i agree it's an indication of feel all the levels of the manage within the system within the country. and i'm, and if i add to what's the beach is saying, the issue of schools being attacked is increased the numbers about to school children in the northern part of the country. i mean, we have a full size and development and indicators of the country. it won't let them know the country doesn't the mobile? well, even the sound of the kind of the country doesn't offer well. we've been challenges

. vigilant days is let me just approach also. we must have a lease take approach. social security, a holistic security approach stopped and follow the community scaling up to the federal level. so the community level, you can have become isms that exist, that how to look at sensitive issues and then we scale, it's all. and then we know with the m. s c, these become saying we know where the police come up and we know where the military comes in, like a concentric approach as concentric step will approach to the security to address and the insecurity. we've been the space with the community. i'm not, i'm not the, not the end up with the, with the, the country, but one without the other is not going to work, share enough information,

god for the life and inflammation. so it becomes confortable at intelligence. but it is actual level and effective response. but oh, down needs to be looked at. i mean makes because and they said defensively. but right now everybody seems to so the other person, on the end of the day it's the grass, which is the community on the ground. but a soft spring full face, a skewed structure structure that we have in place to. but i'm a the government how 10 years from a 2014, with the she bu kidnapping. to understand that there is something wrong that it's about time to change the doctoring itself. but nothing has happened to the point where are we seeing these paths and repeating itself time and again across different parts of the country. 80 percent of the military is involved in tackling

domestic issues. we should be focusing more on the border area. the police is not really having a biggest that people are really skeptical of the vote of the police in those issues. what should change do that gives you the priority one. this is the wealthiest nation by the way, in the african continent, with massive spending on the army and the police, yet it is facing this long string of issues a yeah, i mean we, i think it, it wouldn't be fair on the government was present and nothing has been happening, the government has to be mentioned, of course, but they have what's how the parting shot. and i think in particular these government is going to be 9 months old. and he became high medium heading to the crisis. the kinds that that has one to city or even states for when it's going to take time unfortunately, to excise the time of treated from the body. but when it comes to what needs to be done, i think you highlight to one of the key areas. and one of the key areas is board. that security, big bugs, the big,

the munitions of the drugs that i used to call me this. he has crimes come from outside and i guess borders and unfortunately not g. p a has not paid enough attention to the migration on bloodstone offices in charge of voters. we have up to 1400. you don't need to go down with new jersey property, for example. we have a lot of what always come in, which todd own countries getting prices for neighboring countries in crisis by libya, and easily wave one time drug smuggling internet studio. we do, we need, we need to do more in terms of technology and personnel to make sure that the supply of drugs found guns to spend time in nations, internet. judy uh, stopped continuing to fight these crisis without us joining the board. is like you, us putting what's happening from my book about flowing, but we're not stuck in upfront drilling down to the top, continuing to run and you're using the call to continue the school. what, why,

that's what i want to use to promote to bring the top we can about what you know and that we need to, to do the not to do all these posts. because these not into judy too much as i need to use because the police is painting. that is why somebody is being deployed. nat geo has 850000 security for i'm in police focus this boy population of a 101 bit. i'm going to be an estimate to be around 40 bucks in the police office has a 150 of them deployed to administrative duties and to protecting a very important price is voted keesha's unreached people and they are cool. there is no police from the ground into the areas and what needs to be improved. and the begin tenant agencies. suppose we need to do more to hold as patient using technology so that we wait to try to useful accidents wants to be done. like we saw it is in the okay, so the do you, do you think it's about time for the nigerian government to team up with the cha

dns with the color audience. and also with the new jerry is to try to secure this entire area that stretches from the new the base and all the way to the lake of chant. yes, there is the elemental sort of notion of organized crime that is supposed to associated with the supplement in nigeria, weight and especially the something that has a, a, a, a trust national component. it does better necessary to be in sync with the neighboring countries. the actual i look for lead, but uh, you know, people working with uh, with uh, with uh, with, with neighboring countries. it gives you helped to put a whole security plus, i know to be is so to be able to book an extra information. for example, we have quite sort of the for us is we have language of defensive. so the idea of security, i guess, is whether, well the police, whether migration without custom, it was wanted to have some tools that would be able to, uh, that would enable them to work with companies in the francophone companies here.

what i mean is that to us, we can have those some, uh, you know, uh, migration uh or different when you find that's not julian, the christian out bypass a new condo, speak french where the french people because the french have different one is elizabeth english is not important, which is very important for you to assess information for you to even really coordinate with your naples. you'll have to of the system, you have to move the language, you'll have to move the approach. all right, so this is what all fixed and what i can and will have top of the form in the security system. but for me to secure the district all is as music that had been found by maybe maybe just look at something that didn't. what meant, what call could actually look and have been taught that, well, how to administer some for him? his so security is sort of what did you do anything? how would otherwise i'm just coming to you. okay. cut me. there's another layer until the study was you haven't touched the sofa, which is basically the animosity between the house on the for 90. the how does on the farm is, is this something that has contributed to this increasing banditry in the north

west? some parts of the country basically if you don't mind coming um i'm not sure. the reason i say i'm not sure is that we might be lagging something. that is not really it's, i think it was. i think part of the, one of the concrete thing that has escalates and these are the challenges ecological changes that we have facing and resent times. so you find that water is becoming to be most boss. arable land is also decreasing. so this brings a new tension between the 2 groups. all right, so is it the parent para, and now you know, is it between 2 s may be different between 2 groups, because they don't like each other or the between 2 groups because of the contest they show full natural resources land and what i would go with the to land,

i'll go with the 2nd one we just landed and hooked up. and then when we talk about, um, um, what's that? because talking about about language is culture. our chat, gym, changing challenges between 2 countries. that is, when you look at the sol reading level, we know that the board is in africa and i do have not excluded i positioned by this . so you have 20 people the same weight, in some cases, the same family leaving on the different sides of the board as they they communicate the engage been. this is a job that the office of the stress, the game, the space, the nation state is trying to do this without bringing in the comp couple nation on the ground. that aspect it. this is an effective population. thank you. can that's something to bring on the table. it's an extraordinary array of challenges. climate change for to shorts, as book held on these logic states. what's an offer?

you know, what's the african province and also the banditry. looking forward to having this conversation with you in the near future, a kimmy condo level coffee and so did god bless you. i really appreciate your insight. thank you and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just see it on both. com for further discussion . go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash h i inside stuart. or you can also join the conversation on the x hand that is at a j inside study. for me, i shall talk about on the entire team here in the bye for now the in an increasingly complex world, it's paramount to be direct. exception was there should be

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