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to lift the monetary glue. so any time has more from bangkok, crowds of tourists at what i wrote in the temple of doom in bangkok, many who they could be the answer to the government's prince. tourism was nearly 20 percent of titans, gross domestic product has been slow to recover from the code that 19 pandemic. and b 's, a wave is done, seemed to be increasing visits, a numbers. all right, and that's why i prefer you rely on a particular industry for main income. that's risky things we never know when they will be labeled. you cannot make crisis with some kind of natural disaster connected. we have to manage the risk and distribute across the board to the other sectors are performing fully to the economy contract within the last quarter of 2023 trend expected to continue this year. agricultural products, the backbone of the tiny economy suffered from increasing prices unload the mon,
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liked industry in which thailand was once a leader. the suffered because of supply chain problems and the lack of investment indonesia are in vietnam, hopefully from the head. china is economic slowdown is a button which thailand has no control. so the united states economy is not growing much why the unemployment rate is too high. we don't see any significant improvement in europe and japan. a most important trade partner. china is also having it's real estate crisis. how did you tell the the prime minister sets out how we send his outlined extravagant plans, including making thailand into a tech phrase in finance hub. but he hasn't even delivered on his election promise to give both has a digital wallets containing a handout of nearly $300.00. here at the bank of thailand, there's growing frustration with the government and they repeated requests to low interest rates. the government say they need to stimulate the economy,
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the bank and say something, the thailand just countable. that's a sense of and no shed by many ties with the cost of living rising and interest rates, staying high hoops for a brighter economic future. a saving fast tony checking out. is there a banker and that's it from me laura kyle: as always you can look on to the website that's out of there don't come from overlay says on the on the top stories. my colleague nick. com will be here and around 30 minutes time. all of the days news, the state change, if you can. awesome line is on the phone. counting the call, save will revolt. farm is around the world which has to go to the lake and climate policies. we speak to the mexican agriculture minister about how it grows in mexico . of coping plus inflation is slowing down. will central buttons put interest rates
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soon? counting the cost on l, just their a. hi of steve clements and i have a question, as is rarely forces are literally firing in the groups of starving palestinians trying to get food aid in gaza. when does the by the administration say enough is enough. let's get to the bottom line. the israel's one guy has gone far beyond killing 30000 palestinians. an injury more than 70000 now is realized preventing basic food a from reaching civilians who are facing starvation. us present, joe biden and his administration are still fully behind. is real refusing to call for permanency spire and us costs for more humanitarian a have just fallen on deaf ears. there are signs that biden's policies will cost him votes during this election season. but will that force him to change course and in support for israel's war? today, we're talking with matt dust, former foreign policy advisor to senator bernie sanders and currently executive
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vice president at the center for international policy map. thank you so much for joining us today. we're looking at, at the breakdown of a, i mean honestly, people are desperate to survive. desperate for food, starving surrounding a trucks and being shot on. i just want to ask you is this moment going to create any change in us policy? i would hope it would, but at this point, i don't know how many debts it's going to take for the president biden to shift policy. you're right. not only are as rarely, these really is a real is really government not owning this. you have is really minutes to are appraising the actions of is really soldiers in shooting these starving and desperate palestinians. and as you said, these people are desperate. they are not getting anything close to sufficient humanitarian aid. and that is because israel has a policy of preventing humanitarian aid from getting to the administration,
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recognizes that in fact, us the other day. there was a story about how the administration is considering error dropping into gaza. that let's think about this firm in the united states. would consider air dropping aid into gauze because the, the, the military that it is arming and supporting unconditionally is preventing that aid from getting into gaza in violation of us law by the way. and that's important to acknowledge to us laws, prohibit militaries that receive us supplied weapons from preventing humanitarian aid of getting it prevents, you know, it prohibits them from using those weapons and ways that violate international humanitarian law. that is clearly what is happening here. and yet, after weeks and months of evidence that basically war crimes are being committed, clear violations of international humanitarian law. the vice administration refuses to shift course months ago, we did a report that looked at sen,
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bernie sanders letter to dear colleagues saying that the united states could not be complicit in what was an unfolding with what he called the in discriminant, killing hausteen's. and i've been waiting to use that word himself several times. right. and i think joe biden has use that thing. so i'm just wondering what is happening politically in this town inside washington, dc and around the nation in terms of respond you that did bernie sanders get any traction at all? have others that have tried to shine a spotlight on what's in folding right now? i understand there was a whole rip it october 7th attack. we're watching a nightmare, a horse situation now and response, and bernie sanders and said we are now complicit in this. what are your thoughts? he's absolutely right. no surprise. i agree with my former boss. we are absolutely complicit in this. we are complicit in the situation that led up to october set and the situation of continuing siege and blockade on gaza and occupation,
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expulsion and daily humiliation for palestinians and the rest of the occupied territories. and as you said, just the, the atrocities of october 7th, are indefensible. israel has every right to respond and defend its people as a senator sanders has acknowledged. but what we have been witnessing for the past almost 5 months and or continue to witness today is not self defense. this is something else. um, so again, your question, what will it take? why, why, what will it take to really see an upsurge in washington? again, that is a that's, that's a tough question to answer because we are definitely seeing energy on the streets protests, especially from young, progressive democrats and beyond. we've seen an increasing number of members of congress, not nearly enough, but some, you know, raising these questions and, and raising the pressure. but as you know, the conversation about israel in washington, you know, kind of occurs in this weird, never, never land where the kind of conditions um that we impose on other partners and
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recipients of, of us aid simply never apply to israel. and the other piece of this too is when you have a democratic president. unfortunately, the case is, democrats are much less inclined to criticize what we are. we are seeing is clearly a failed and, and any 2 main. and i would argue, immoral policy. let me ask you about this, and this is an equation. i don't fully understand folks. on one hand, the united states is blocking all that much to impose any international sanctions in israel. for this, it has said that it is working at the same time to get food, support a, i mean, a secretary of state anthony blinking and on national revise and jake sullivan, talk about how hard they're working to to overcome is really resistance course there which which they are very public about to get aid in. and yet we are still as
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i understand it, providing without condition bombs and munitions and even seeking more support for israel. but in the eyes of the world, whether you're in a developed country or a developing country, what does that equation look like? well, it looks incoherent because it is incoherent. president buying clearly believes that the way that us is real relationships and work. and he's believe this for a long time, is that if we have differences of opinion, we express those privately and conversations and but publicly it's basically shoulder to shoulder locked step support, unconditional support. and you know, obviously he's the president. he gets to make those decisions. but my response to that is how is that going? that does not appear to be going very well. and i think in the eyes of the world, the united states just looks feckless and weak. this is a partner state that is enormously reliant on us support, diplomatically, politically intelligence, militarily and the president. the united states has simply taken the tools of
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leverage off the table and told his it and his secretary of state and others to work without those tools of the united states could cut off a. we could diminish a, we could slow aid, we could stop the towing resolutions and then you went, there's a whole range of things that escalating menu of options that we had if we decided to apply real pressure, which we should have been doing long before. now, to ask this question carefully, if president biden fails to use his leverage to constrain is really prime minister netanyahu his choices in this war to get the ceasefire to get a to people in need. and it created a monster triple difference in the, on the ground. circumstances given what we just saw in michigan with a 100000 people, basically voting uncommitted within the democratic primary and not voting for president biden in their own party. do you think joe biden will lose the selection coming up? and again, i will answer carefully as you asked it carefully,
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and no one never should overstate the impact of any foreign policy issue, i think on us elections. um, but i think what's important to note is that for many democrats, particularly young democrats, the issue of israel palestine just born gaza is not just a foreign policy issue, isn't it is an issue of, of social and racial justice. and that's why it resonates as strong one of the reasons why it resonates as strongly as it does. because i think that a 100000 votes for uncommitted is clearly a message. i think it was actually an impressive effort given how, what a short timeframe it had to get up and going and know there are similar efforts in other primary states. and i think it's important to acknowledge that these are from democrats who understand the stakes. they're using a tool to send the message in a way that is not intended to undermine biden's re election, but simply to send the message which is entirely appropriate that they are this, this policy is outraged us. and i do think that
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a president buying doesn't shift this policy and i don't need a shift in messaging. he does not have a messaging problem. he has a policy problem. and i think if we're talking about an election that was already going to be very close before all of this, we're talking about an election that will very likely come down to a few $100000.00 boats in a few key states. this could make the difference. not i want to ask you about comments that the president made. they were made regarding the talks between israel hima and hamas, which the united states egypt and cut our, our mediating wits. here with the president said, my not security adviser tells me that we're close because it's not done yet. my hope is by next monday. do you think those are solvent comments or as the president disconnected from reality? you know, i mean, well it's good to hold for things i hope will get a ceasefire. monday to it doesn't look like we're we're, we're trying much closer. but the bottom line, listen, they should continue their efforts to get that agreement to release the hostages.
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but there, you know, the decisions by israel and from us you know, the united states shouldn't make its own decisions. we are in fact, obligated under the existing u. s. law to make decisions with regard to our, our support of israel in this war, unrelated to whether is related and whether israel and how much come to that cease by argument, which i very much hope they do. i want to show you a quote from nikki haley in this quote, she writes, they were warned that the sky would fall if we moved our embassy, they warned that our allies would turn against us. americans would be killed and war in the middle east would quickly ignite. guess what? that's just about an embassy and i don't want to mislead people to think that that is the only issue. but when you come to the abraham accords and one of the notion of the a very important as you can do a lot of deal making in the middle east and ignore the palestinian issue you've written. you've written yourself about this recently about the president's own view
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that somehow you could do a deal with the saudis, between the saudi and his release, and the part of an abraham a cord like process maybe get some sort of palestinian state pathway and people are tired of work pathway, but then 3rd, use this new arrangement to take on iran, in iran interest in the region. i'm just interested in how you see this because when you talk about us actions and decisions, how badly aligned is the us frame with a reality in what it's trying to do in the middle east, with the realities on the ground in the region. you know, i think, yes, that's a great question. i think haley's comments just shows the blindness that has guided, not just republican policy, but us policy for a long time. and i think by no, unfortunately bought into this as well on the initially, you know, kept the abraham accords at arms length. but after a few months basically decided to embrace it. and part of that logic is, as you said, that the palestinians can just be shut that aside from
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a few crumbs here and there to keep them quiet. but we saw the moving of the embassy and other stuff to the cup and ministration took, which are consistent with that approach, which is just israel gets whatever it wants, and the palestinians get a cage. that is what let us to october 7 again, that's not to absolve a mouse for their choices. obviously their, their, their choices to commit that atrocity our, our, you know, the key decision there, but it did not begin. history did not be den october 7. now getting to binds approach, i mean, as i wrote, it's important to understand that of the ministration their project in the middle east right now is guided as is most of their foreign policy by one thing, strategic competition with china. and they see, you know, this is real normalization deal, which in my view as i've written is, is mainly a us, sorry, security deal. um that's kind of wrapped in a, in a candy coating of, of piece with israel in order to sell it to democrats. but that's the main function
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of that is to box china out of the middle leaves. there's also a component of confronting your own. but as, as you know, i mean a ron and saudi arabia and other countries in, in, in, in, in the region have been reaching slowly, step by step towards some form of the top. which is good because ultimately iran is going to be part of that region just as israel is. um. so any kind of arrangement that seeks to kind of box the rod out, i think it's not going to be sustainable either. that's not to downplay me. ron's horrible behavior in the region or to its own people. i mean we, we, we clearly need to take steps to consult that as we have been doing for a long time. i think we should take a different approach. i know that we were both supporters of the ron nuclear agreement and regret trump's withdrawal from it and, and biden's failure to get back into it. but i do think it's important to understand that kind of the key aim of their middle east policy, which once again is china. i'm just interested in kind of the message and brand of
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united states when it comes to democracy. as you look at what you see on folding right now in his real gaza, what you see and folding in the region. does america have standing any longer? you know, it, you know, taking what you just said about this being a saudi security. veal: you know, in terms of its intent and purpose right now, how much does america loose standing in the region given that approach? i think we in losing your list and again, the president biden is fond of this saying we should lead by the power of our example, not the example of our power. and i think on the, in that standard we are failing. the example we are setting by continuing to unconditionally back this, this catastrophe in gaza. it's sending a horrible message and i would add, especially in the wake of the russian war on ukraine as i've written. i, i just, i think the, you know, the by the ministrations approach to ukraine has been very good. it's been a, you know, the effective, it's been moral. it's been principled in helping ukraine defend itself against an
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illegal dumb invasion. i think all of the principal principles daylight laid out this entire argument they made in support of the ukraine policy. they have a slightly burned out to the ground, but by the way, they've approached israel's assault on garza again, i'm not going to pretend these 2 things are exactly the same. they are not. but if we are talking about a set of principles that we're talking about international law and the need to observe it, they, there is such a stark double standard being applied to these 2 conflicts in the entire world can see it and they have acknowledged it. and they ask you a question about the american political scene. you know, my best efforts to describe what's happening in the united states is that we're seeing what's always been in america. isn't you know, slightly isolationist wing that really does not see being engaged in the world. as being in the interest of united states at all, and this populist merger with this notion that we can withdrawn, that'd be when you look at the chaos that you're seeing and israel gaza,
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the weakness of the president, the united states in this case. or you see the rejection of the notion that ukraine is relevant in any way, or the idea that maybe we just leave nato. how worried are you about a real isolationism taking hold in this white house and in this country as we see brewing right now, but with the 2024 elections and after right. essentially, i don't know if i would care to revise it as isolationism. i would characterize it is just kind of a unilateralism you know, trump is, i know he's labeled a nice relation is a lot, but i don't think he is. he just has a very different approach of and his, the, of the trip to how the us should behave in the world, which is in america completely unbound by any rules in america. the behaviors of essentially as an imperial power that seeks tribute demands tribute from the rest of the world by virtue of our power, i don't, that's not isolation and that's just i can just imperial. but i see what you're saying. i mean, a lot of americans have very serious questions about this,
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this kind of set of multilateral organizations and partnerships and treaties and alliances. the united states helped build and in which we have imbedded our interest they have questions about is that serving our interest is that serving my family, my community. and i do think one of the lessons coming out of trump victory. and i think some people around president biden, to their credit, understand this, is that we need to have to do a better job of helping the engage with these questions on the part of the american people to explain why some of these foreign policy choices are in their interest that actually help their families help their communities, but we have to actually make a credible argument that it's doing the i don't think we can make that argument about does the us support for this war is not making american c for it is making americans less save by virtue of just in vastly diminishing our power in our credibility and our ability to say to stand up and speak credibly for
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a set of very important principles. we just see a case where the palestinian authority of a cabinet has been a dissembled, has been, has been a dissolved i guess my question on that is do you see us influence on the palace any inside a particular with the p a is leading any direction that will get us to a different equilibrium. and this relationship many palestinians looked at the p a is essentially the guarantor for is railing security and is really security services. i'm just interested in that move, which has been welcomed by the united states while saying no, i should say changing government in the is really cabinet. yeah. you know, i will say, i mean, as you said, i mean that is how unfortunately united states has treated the p a as essentially a sub contractor of these really occupation there. the priority there being that a deliver security, not for palestinians, but for his release. and i think changing that approach is absolutely necessary if
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we're going to move in a better direction, i would say about the dissolution of the policy and the governments that isn't, it is a step towards recall. if it is a step towards reconstituting kind of the palestinian national movement or creating a kind of unified consensus based palestinian voice that to negotiate the eventually with israel. that's good because that is absolutely necessary to, to get to, to, to a resolution is to have a palestinian leadership that can make credible commitments in around the negotiated table, which we simply do not have right now. and again, that part of the netanyahu's strategy was to make sure the palestinian state divided garza ruled internally by a mass and thought with its you know, the areas that they have some control of in, in the west bank. so ending that the vision and supporting the reconstitution of a palestinian natural voice and leadership is absolutely let necessary. certainly this is something the united states cannot do, but we can get out of the way we can support them as they do it. but importantly,
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we have to recognize that a credible palestinian leadership supported by the palestinian people is going to include people that we do not like just as the as really leadership includes people . we do not like it. i'm not just talking about ben cuz we're in small traits even though we very much do not like them. there are others who have been parts of israeli governments in the past. you know, who's before, you know, legitimate constituencies among israel. so we just need to prepare, we just need to prepare to accept a palestinian leadership and you know, with people that we're not crazy about, we need to respect palestinian politics enough and take power, stand in politics seriously enough to acknowledge that they get to pick the people who speak for the so let me just ask you finally, what are palestinians being asked to do at this moment? are they being asked to accept the are unacceptable and to remain
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in, in a, in a place where there are no buildings infrastructure. i mean, if you're in the west bank, you've got killings, harassment going on there. you've got basically a destroyed and flattened infrastructure and most of gaza were walking, march 10th ramadan begins. i'm just interested in what palestinians are being asked to do in this moment. i mean, and also there being, as we can see, what they're being asked. i mean most of gaza has been turned into the moon. they are living in tens, crowded in what was already one of the most densely populated regions of the world . so i, i just, i liked the words to describe what they're being asked to endure in gaza. let's understand. garza was in the midst of an enormous humanitarian crisis before october 7th. and as you described in the west bank, it's, it's, it's, it's a daily grinding humiliation of check points and harassment by settlers. whenever palestinians, you know, are able to leave, you know, they're just population centers and, and, and villages is really,
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military has total control and then goes anywhere it wants in the entire west bank with complete impunity. and this has been the situation for years and decades. okay . and this, i just want to say has been part of the masses recruit, recruiting program. this has helped to make the argument to many palestinians, and this is an enormous strategy tragedy. but the way to achieve your goal is the way to achieve freedom. the way to take control is to use violence. this is a lesson, but the united states has helped to teach because the promise that was made to the palestinians years ago was embraced diplomacy, stop violence and diplomacy. and negotiation is the way to achieve your liberation . and we have helped to show them that that is not true, and we need to change that equation very quickly. if we're going to get out of this on that task, executive vice president of the center for international policy. thank you so much for sharing your candid use with us today. thank you. and so what's the bottom line?
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israel's deadly incursion into guys, a triggered by a surprise attack that knock this really sideways on october 7th, has turned into one of the world's worst nightmares. god says, living conditions have disintegrated. no schools, no health care, no housing, nothing on day one is real set. it wouldn't allow food medicine, water, or fuel in the gaza. so us president joe biden, and his team just can't being surprised that people are starving and dying. 5 months later, they still refused to play hardball with his. we'll still send munitions in bonds to kill palestinians, and still insist that they're doing our best as the white house spokesperson says to encourage israel to change course. but with each passing day, palestine punctuates the weakness of the united states visa v. it's own allied and reinforces the idea that this is not some small regional mass, but rather a less than the other countries that americans somehow diminish now. and then if it won't stand with people for under physical and moral siege now,
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it's hard to believe that it would do so any time in the future. and that's the bottom line. the the morning is feeding time at this fish farm in the straits of joel southern melisha. while my read one books here, okay, usually after he stopped going out to sea to fish 2 years ago. when my button was on the way back to show the winds changed suddenly, in less than 5 minutes, that would launch waves in my photo sense. i only thought of getting back safely. i lost half my catch, but i didn't care. changing with mountains means that fuel months would say for small scale fishermen to head out to sea. serena rama is a conservation scientist has been studying the impact of climate change on root communities. so everybody knows the temperature of the ocean side creasing. it is also affects the movements of the species. so we have changed fish species season
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now. latino, they know where they used to be fishing, not coming in. i so easily touched when kilograms of cripps before. no, it is difficult to even get 5 kilograms. usual fishing has been the backbone of coastal communities in the nation for generations. but that's the way of life is coming on the threat. in an increasingly complex world, it's paramount to be direct instruction was there should be this month on sort of discussions that come through the norm upfront one out as you explore 2023 the the fascination to join us and let's discover a better world expo 2023. the news
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the the other they're on the cloud cuz it's it's a new life from the coming up for the next 60 minutes. desperation lessons in garza palestinians, forced to scramble for small amounts of food and humanitarian aid. come under attack. israel approves the construction of a 3 and a half 1000 new illegal supplement times in the occupied westbank gains and hates. he had threatened the civil war with the prime minister.

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