is very blue paste. they used to be able to face up to 37 kilometers out to the scene, but not anymore from the hearts of the story. this is how this experience is really military occupation toilet this. tox illegal supplements, and then grab with detailed coverage. the 1st situation in the global group is worsening. at least half of the population is already starving. the heavy fighting in the democratic republic of congo is forced hundreds of thousands of people to free for their lives. the conflicts between the government, the m 23 fights is escalated in recent weeks. so what's driving all this in terms piece be changed? this is inside the hello. welcome to the program. i'm adrian said. a good,

a humanitarian crisis is developing in the democratic republic of congo, an escalation and fighting between government forces and the m. 23 on the group in the northeast of the country is fueling regional tension and it's led to hundreds of thousands of people arriving in the regional capital goma in search of food, water, and shelter. the situation is expected to watson when you and please keep us withdrawal from the country at the end of the leaving many vulnerable at risk of salvation and violence. so what's driving this conflict and can lasting peace be achieved in the democratic republic of congo? i'll just here as catherine, so a sent us this report from a camp to displaced people in coma. we are on a comfortable display. see for here in go my best several com classes across the city. we have been talking to people who have been sleeping this conflict between government forces and, and we,

we have also been talking to aid would cuz we're saying that they are overwhelmed about the needs which are so many, 1600000 people have sofa being this displaced, i seen this closely started about 2 and a half. now the last 4 now between the rebels and government forces is in a town called sac to this town is very significant because it's a get to way in to go my to about to 25 kilometers away from goma. and government forces are trying to push the rebels away from that area that is useful for them. as you know, lots of international pressure on all sides to deescalate things and go back to

mediation. it's going to be very interesting to see how that plays out. because f lost by reason of this. and what, what this means is that people in conflict this, i'm going to continue suffering with no and insights, customer and story inside story. the as well to get an idea of how the conflict is likely to one soul that son to the minister of communication and media spokesman for the government of the democratic republic of congo. patrick, well, yeah, joins us from the capital contrasts. i could tell you with this patrick, once you'll government strategy for dealing with the m 23. is there a strategy? it seems bored for us, the anthony to doesn't exist. infinity tree payments off from them doesn't match the present made that point to your, you know, less meeting in front offers and can mean that necessarily about the government. the company's department is working on and do which we can continue dream payments

in one of the humble which needs to your staples, what you have to do, what creates witnessing the past, the tools it's anthony to fighting each was a one academy using ease as true i saw them, you seen a shilling, some myspace, a game shifting, some markins. that's what, what we have seen last week at the present mid that point to year, we want to bring back the piece in this part of the or cd we paint. but if you want to go back to go through this, i need to web one that i'm step was big thing we ask, we meant we made especially in the run that i'm 2722 as no power to decide those thoughts blamed on. because for the m $23.00, the pin was clear, they have to be these honored they have to be to accept because the 9th and the depth trucks, everything will be stationed that the only issue we stand, we want name, we, we're friendly, we should resend that on my student to year,

but the m 23 doesn't exist. you've just said that they need to be dissolved. what is your government doing to start or to advance a political settlement here and who would be involved in between the government? what even ations. ready for them 23 as well as i was telling you the full m 22 doesn't exist, is one band girlfriend and then using profit. and the most important for us to talk directly with funding and talking to those. but it's clear that they did the governor position. what change on that site? that's why they're present. i think he's dropping tomorrow for one to, to meet again with the plays up levin's or what the dimension united you said the about between the prison just to get in your prison gave me to see what else i can do to start uh effective the at a 3 month thing, the agreement and the $23.00 is just the smaller part of the conversation is a proxy use it, right. why don't the a, to be like the face of the baltimore, the,

on the waiting? well, from the all those mastercard, the after meeting guess, commodities populations do are, those are very innocent people. so the was the strongest kia, be going to talk. we find that to know why present gave me is continue to do an awful position is continue. what is and on. i mean, there are resources that the main reason enough for me as well. and there to present one is to stop the style and $400.00. what is your government then doing for the displaced people in the northeast of the country and east of the country. the people caught up in this fighting. but what's your government's under contract? people, you know what, what fear, what you're doing, especially for peach store, is to use for you to use write a section, a guess or one and prevent it. and so they can start useful. and then from there they move in and we need to make sure we get back this property. they should have, what are they needing before? what they are doing now is to write this down for is to provide some assistance.

but these are, these tend to want to be that it really is pretty strong for those people. they need to go back in their respective area. and we think that you want to reach this one for store because this but actions from understand and for those people they need to go back in their restrictive area and do think that is one to reach this one for store we for those, but actions from funding governance inside our country would be we'd be able to do that. all right, somebody's expedited for being with us. that's perfectly either in control. so thank you so much. so we've heard what the government in contrast to has to say about the conflict. now let's hit some of the perspectives lawrence, couldn't you across? is the political spokesman of the rebel launch 23 movement, also known as m. 23. he jones just now from the eastern democratic republic of congo from cape town, south africa with joined by crystal oldest and the journalist of the african report from the veteran africa commentary to join from nairobi by fred boma. who is the

executive director of the tele, an independent congress research institute, focusing on politics, governance, and violence. let's start with your lawrence. what did you make of what we heard from the government spokes person? there are every 23 just puppets. a bit of random government. this is the lack of knowledge. both we are and the company they're supposed to. yes about the editor, the free is a good one. these organs distance that's on the lifted. yes. a gun on december to do, you know, we've got to the community both for the brought municipal united nation. so i think july and all the international partners we went to the just so we spent 14 months of videos to go with the team that present just took it to base for us to discuss it all for that. and to give it up to the

lady at the additional sound of the yes, the governor should come today say to the office of the one that we are who are these that how it goes. we've been asking yes, the government to discuss to have been done to resolve the causes of the cause that making our country have been a soc. ready working and dig into how they find the piece in that country. and it's bringing that crystal was then in k 12 of the d or c, which consist of saw that's with them a lot we and times in the. and i have spoken to some african diplomats and officials, both within the army and diplomatic officials, and they adam in south africa as part of a peacekeeping mission. they want the drug see to have peace, but cannot afford conflict. the continent cannot afford conflict. now, one could argue at times of africa, and it might be perceived as having

a not eve kind of viewpoint of peacebuilding use makes the sooner we get is the time to bring different parties together. but so that's what gets really involved in the d r. c. since the 19 ninety's, in fact, for president nelson mandela in 1998, i, you know, the close of the loan could be seen. yes. the lake norman could be low cost and he had in fact, you know, dealt with the do, wanda, and somebody who, you know, $1.00 to $2.00 seem to be done a full space. and so for south africa, it is absolutely puts and that, that these piece in the d r. c. piece in the east of congo. they of course, um, as part of southern which is a, you know, a mule. um, one of the old regional bodies in africa. i'm so this is the siding mission and they want ultimately for the d r c and the one to come together and find a peaceful solution to what's happening in the east for for drama

a. what is the pricing itself looked like now in the east of the country? is there a coordination between the, on the groups that are fighting in both cuba who's, who's facing who right now? i mean, how powerful is the m 23 is a fighting force compared to say, the congolese ami? i mean, who is fighting? who is a is a, is a good question. um, because on one side you have to go with this government. of course we have uh the support of uh, of this admission uh of, uh, yeah, huge range of for me this is called the uh, was an endo and also the, the, the you and keeping force and, and less nowadays. and the, and the other side you clearly have um, mtv drops. and um, and the quote inconvenience. so uh, several, if know, 1000 of a front end troops there at the end of the underground. but i think um, just to emphasize what i've heard to edward, but he was saying, oh so the, the,

the, the cost request to use it because specify, so this valdez is on its own people and who have been displaced by media. and since the beginning go of this conflict and people who wants peace and people who are the last thing, as an attorney, as a temp is that we bring back a big guys back to as we have seen in 2012. and as we are seeing right now, uh and, and did the, uh, what's called a government and other group at facing. and you said you're seeing around grandma is more than entity fee. it says ronda. and it says provide many other countries that are supporting the i'm 20 feet and that's uh, making all this conflict becoming slow. the uh, the list that google is config, but more and more general original config lawrence view and special representative to the region briefing. the un security council reported that serious human rights

violations are being committed in areas on the m 23 control, with at least a 150 people killed since november all m. 23 fights is a part of that. what are you doing to stop it? but basically i have to go ahead 1st so many things that have been said about these action against damage and to create which i know go ahead. we've got to know that basically on trying to trim gets it in the afternoon to pray. when the next 44 votes, and today 10 years, we have 256 groups according to not to mention a statistician. so all of the talking about the end of buttons, but true, but we did it on the populations were done by the groups that i'm now part of did you stop recording what that ended up? i'm groups that when this school supposed to 5 and take the d. c. so basically

the straight, the 25th is not a sports support for all this crap. okay. that's been set by french we. i have about 5. okay. find out about any of the most important. what about lawrence? what about the 80 s which has been accused of of human rights violations? how much control over the 80 asked us b m. 23. have in the area is understandable because of the max. sometimes missing something different, becky: not, but if i understand, but in the area, the answer to frequent pro, there's no guidance of of human rights abuses the human. why does it happen? did you see that one's going to do to? yes, we seen in a go law where i'm to administer to people where your for the life, but i did buy that but it, but for, for this process, oh, well, that's spring and crystal. once again, crystal, you, you mentioned the fedex and the forced the south african force on, on the ground,

how to regional international actress contribute to or either exhausted, basically, mitigating the conflict. i mean, what is south africa's view? is it committed to bringing peace to the region a lot, or who replaces this you and force which is on the ground right now is just used to leave at the end of the to absolutely, i do and, and that's, you know why these also some confusion until, you know, when ease the forces, the wind forces withdrawing, how will the 2 missions work in sync with another? because of course, as i mentioned beside the commission that consists of south africa tends in the end, malawi, so i think so. firstly again, um, so it's of the 1st time that south africa is in the d r c. it's being they since post a hot date. um, 1994 of course, 1998 was told to present nelson mandela. and then that was also part of the commission, the 23rd team that actually broke the policies together. and that's the spokesperson

had mentioned um, but i think this time around, they facing much more the foot to right. and as we put from the various parties. and these are concerned domestically adrian that, um, you know, as much as we have well trained troops on the ground that might not be enough. we've already had body bags arriving back in south africa. we've also had a few weeks ago. so, you know, some of our most trained, highly trained army officials also coming under attack when they were flying a helicopter to you in hospitals. so, um, this concern domestically that sought after just entering it to rain. and as all previous speakers said, that could you know, engulf the entire region. however, south african officials are still adamant that they all part of a sudden mission. they've been tossed by the regional body to be part of the schools to bring about peace, south africa as long time and see what the agenda of peaceful being of getting

different bodies together. but i think it's a bit more complicated. we've heard from governments spokesperson, we've heard from human rights organization that the human rights violations happening on the ground just absolutely devastating with the continuing of displacement. and so i think the concern is that is the south african troops really of delete this mission west milan intends india, and the most importantly, do they have the financial resources and the adequate equipment to actually deal with the different dribble groups that are operating in the east for it. how, how dangerous is the situation right now? could it escalates into a, a regional i think we, we, we almost there. um we have um, he has a key enrollment of rolanda. there is a, um, an additional uganda being involved. so i was actually guys have casualties,

and burundi is very involved. so we, i think we are already on the, on the evil. so for region of the war and there is a need to de escalate very quickly. but i also like to uh to say something from the human rights violations in the human rights situation. and you send d r 6. i think it's careful for everybody. men rest of conditions on single sites in nursing. yeah. see that's empty. there is uh hospitals that been looted um and especially the women and kids who are dying because of course it was as of this conflict is enough for 4 people in this region to they. they've been indicted in this for years. i think it's time for this conflict to and, and it's time for m p t o, this group does keep recycling themselves. seems add on to the 6 of these to to end

different in the lawrenceville over to take for the i'm $23.00 to sit down with the government in contrast to is it interest of indigo shaping? it's uh the c o with us for the, the, the government, but they're not with the saying that for, for, for don't to just that we need to have that done to the government to discuss with them out to solve the causes of the company that gave you all the time to sort of the country, but i have to go back to one of the gentleman just say just now this or this stuff . say dental thing. this is that just put back on the voice of the government because the answer to, as i say, was in a heads up from the 2013. and we came back here or the crowd was that done before that done by the people that are now in the d. c. government army. so we're talking about the shares. i'd say it wasn't,

it was just wondering what was the issue. is there any over any does that they don't do food, i've done that kind of stuff that let me know. it's not every day. so be sort of happy to, to please calling on international for me to come and stop both people, the message, whether your mind is done in question is a bus to go to. so many people are sleeping outside the d. s. a government is supporting from every single day, like a digital moisture given to the women and the people. this is what we're talking about there really things with the gun. so we are recording an international community to act right now because the conversation about to see is really huge. and the more for do you want to come back on that there's a lot of evidence of mess graves in, in uh, in your, on the decision. and we can go on and on and the results. so it was also evidence. so we'll see these in the before and oh, this is

a lot of the entity i said use uh no, that's not exactly what i'm talking about. there is also evidence of, of, of i'd be telling you keep things in, in areas where i'm 20 fi controlled and i'm not saying that the go go with his government is perfect and doesn't mean human rights violation. but in, in the, in the, in this call, feet key, any entity fee to go off many and by save human rights or listen, creating an area that they go above to take to taking guns. and every time it's actually put the 3 debate people to the intent if we are trying to, to, to protect, at some point people empty for you and other, who needs to stop. uh, going back to to uh, military and his policies is, is ways of, uh, resolving the problem. and the physicals actually the way to protect

defense communities in d. c for uh, for, for, for long and not only put, nothing looks within its risk. the very, very people, yeah, pretending to defend this, this gonna be best today and they can not bring a piece tomorrow. and maybe one less thing for the school seat as a, as is from san to pay and, and the 1st enter defeat, every time rolanda we throw, it's suppose to feel to sand that the does look ended. so i decided again to go, i think the colors governments and come with these people, right to say ronda should be push and pressure to read through it and to put you in dentistry that well, but i'll be up to you. i'll come back here in just a moment on, on this issue of orlando says crystal at the gets as we drove to a close, a lot of the some potential avenue useful object. okay. lawrence, very quickly. i'll give you 30 seconds. okay. yeah, i'm saying to the gentleman replied to the gentleman, that's fleming stopped outside the country. we are going to drive. we'll have all

the n g o is that guy here? that's not his every single day that did yes. to go. all right, he's the one going to be plans at the moment. we stood as so many times that it, yes, the government should be judge but time to get some money. they won't crash. i'm trying to free for many, many times. people to come to do as drugs and suggestion on cuz she, we are printing what we're saying. go, well, we're going to go to get up and do doris to get you all together. then never came to our discipline. i just the voice of the jesse document it put, my god, the end of that story, defend you in all the organs as far as the gospel or we're going to get the crystal at some potential avenues, retrieving lasting, peace, and stability in the region are all there any, i have what, what obstacles are standing in the way? well, listening to the inter needs we spokesman spokesperson, adrian,

you can clearly, yeah, there's a lot of ox to go. but i think on the serious note that, you know, from the south africa's a vantage point, presidential candidate use be elected president of the country. and he has cooled, that he wants peace in the east. he's also, of course, accused of wanda, of supporting that in doing this is austin piece. how is the tubes the siding commission will be on the ground for one year. we've already had casualties. one can only hope that the resources will be big for both the malawi intents and the, and the south african troops. and of course, a mission of a peace, a peacekeeping mission is to, to kind of get some piece. but so far we've seen more to attacks. and so one would hope that the different parties will actually realize that the construct con, continue and the human rights violations con, continue. and that last thing piece is the over the onset i'm full of that part of the world. but on frederick, we've got a minute left, a big luwanda,

which of course continues to deny that it supports the m $23.00. anyway, what, what's the, what's it going to take to bring peace to the region and for when to, to withdrawing support for m. 23, ronda to be very simple. it's, i think it needs to be patients, but by many countries that type of thing they, they, they, u. k. a, for, as the us china now and, and, and other countries. that's what can you present to the government. but to debate these, to the i see it is not only about sitting in the table and saying, because they that's it have been tested several times since the beginning of the door. what's the comments government? we have to do again, it's a, it's in the going to, it needs to be in a no that's can do to those kind of things and do the same time work uh on, on routes code is in, in the time that it's met in time of peace, unfortunately,

the situation, the intro to see does not even though a lot of space for, for a constructive discussion among those. okay. and i think what, that's what happened um the, the support that's an attempt to print anything right now should seize. thank you all for being part of our programs with a lawrence kind of your car crystal orders on fred bama. and it's part of the beginning, patrick, but yeah, yeah, and thank you for watching. so you can see the program again at any time by going to the website. i'll just do a dot com for further discussion. you can join us about facebook. the stuff ation is being used as a what the only way to stop. so i'm going to cost ation is to allow you then people are surrounding it. sparks go with the flow are just hard to break it and shows the level of difficult because of the shortage of human materials aid. we have no blanket, no food, and no room to. i prefer the desk to this humiliation. moore is not killed us yet.

it seems that we will die of hunger and can't find food. people say that they're stuck between death, star bases and displacements. yet it seems that we will die of hunger. we can't find food. people say that they're stuck between death star bases and displacements, the a verse of nature, color and meaning with these really made it to your patient front and center. nothing about this exemption is traditional or permanent or this work place next to younger artist. it's a reminder that there is one under is where the bombardment i think that's something they refuse to die and substantive a few. so they quite an openings edition only to be closed after the war. and as it drags on menu on these paintings, maybe

a survivor of causes are the colleges, the joe, to all the ssl, just their life from the also coming up. and these really strikes the other quite hospital in southern guns or kills at least each other students, including women until a desperate scramble to get paid. hundreds of palestinians rushed to the sea to collect food dropped by the jordanian efforts and were on the frontlines with the groups of the demons, democratic republic of congo.