this does not justify her in any case, but can i interject a question, on the basis of which such a conclusion is that she refused even then, because, again, in childhood we did have a fairly warm relationship, good, let’s consider this as a hypothesis, because once you understand this, you will be able to build relationships with other people, because as soon as you can turn on empathy for her within yourself, suddenly you will start feeling other people, don’t think about other people.

protects himself from this, he must protect himself the child’s psyche at this moment, it works faster than you can understand anything, the defense works faster, i suggest you just test this hypothesis through this experiment, when you feel inside yourself the reasons why you can abandon the child and transfer them to mom, try to look in the opposite direction, in the opposite direction just to see what... you are for her, well, this is, well, i don’t know, a trigger that caused her not the best feelings, this happens rarely, but happens, and you, being this trigger, then don’t could understand all of this, it’s true, you were too small, of course, you were in pain, this is also true, even now it’s difficult to figure it out, there are a lot of nuances when you’re a child - it’s obvious. you are watching

the podcast triggers with you, its host tatyana krasnovskaya and sergey nasyabyan, we are talking with artyom about what it’s like to be a black sheep. find all podcastlab projects on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. what's happening to you now? such a loss, easy. well, try to live this lostness now, and not give up on it, because this the loss will be very similar to the loneliness that you experienced then, it is so. then it was completely unbearable, it ’s not very unbearable now, but then it was downright unbearable, because all that is needed here is to understand her truth, to feel why, not to justify her, not to love her again, but simply to integrate this experience for yourself as experience , through which you feel this loneliness, when you talk about the white crow, we have the idea that this metaphor says that we are not just special, but we are lonely, because the crow...

it will be insulting and sad again, the lack of understanding, really, if you want, i’ll tell you why i want, again i don’t understand, i will have it, then i’ll go in a taxi, from the shoot i’ll think, why is that so, ask me where i got the desire to do that to do, here i am just a living person, i’m sitting and i can answer this question for you, a question that even if you ask your friends and you just don’t want to run after you asking why i’m leaving, why are you going, because with you it’s very it's hard to talk because you're always there say, it feels like you’re telling lies all the time, it’s sad that you think so, because everything i told you, i ’m telling you about the feeling, look, this doesn’t mean at all that i’m right, this doesn’t mean at all that i’m right, i tried to come in from different sides several times, but already on the third, on the third try, i no longer had the desire, i did it only professionally, you know, but people don’t , well, sort of... and in general i thought , is it good

or bad, how should i feel about it, and specifically in mine, well, if it makes you happy, then it’s good, but if it makes you unhappy, then it’s probably bad, but you don’t have to evaluate it, just kind of focus on the sensations, why sergei says that you talk so much, why is it difficult in this, because there’s a lot protection, there is a lot of rationalization, there are a lot of explanations, it is clear that you could not survive without this, did you need to somehow explain to yourself to your baby? so why am i not chosen, but behind this there is so much pain, still, yes, yes, then you chose to become, forgive better, better, better, better, you are really cool, there are no questions, but people don’t need that, people need you for real and with that pain, because the pain

that you experienced then will make you so wise, so sympathizers, that people themselves will be drawn to you, because they will be looking for this sympathy, and you noticed correctly, you noticed correctly? that i always strived for an ideal, well, my own, to be ideal, ideal in character, ideal in communication, an ideal guy for my girlfriend, of course, because if i they don’t accept me for who i am, we children begin to try different models, we try to adapt, and if i’m like this, and if i’m perfect, and if i’m obedient, and if i’m very good, and if i’m like this, and of course you tried , and the truth is you had no other choice, because otherwise you would have chosen something else, you chose it and you became into it. an ideal image, but people feel that behind it, behind this image, there is really a lot of pain and there are real you there, so the discrepancy between the picture and reality is

a little confusing, so people are a little, they they move away, they distance themselves, it is clear that it is very difficult to open, but the door is there. you need to open it gradually, opening it a little, but the way out is there, let me then be a little bit of a mystery person that you want to solve, who you want to get to know better, well, that’s great, of course, but just if you still want to build relationships with people, then it’s unlikely that people will be interested in figuring out the relationship in which you, i don’t know, will enter into with a girl, there, probably, yes, there will probably be some interest in it. if they don't find it, then they usually don't communicate. sergei said that he would get up and leave, because it’s not interesting, and so, when

you are real, when you stop closing yourself off, he said, because it’s difficult, difficult, because it’s not interesting, because you have to figure it out, because some kind of double messages. there are absolutely no questions at all, we believe, it’s true, you say what you think, but there inside, there is another artyom, can i suggest you consider it as some kind of difference, honestly artyom and sincere, artyom, these are different people, honest you were, sincere, not always, sometimes i managed to stop you, sometimes we managed to show you some moment when you just need to say stop loading. you inside, but in most cases you jump out of there like a cork, this is also normal, also natural, because it is unbearable for you to be there, because being sincere is dangerous for you, you need a person, you understand that your mother did not do the most important thing, the only one in in general, the mother’s task, after

she has already fed you, and you are in in general, there you can move to take care of yourself somehow, this is essentially to continue your experiences, this pain of yours, to continue - what is this, forgive me? hug you, for example, say, i understand how it hurts you, son, i understand, i'm sorry, i can't choose you, because this man forces me, for example, to betray you there, and my love for him is more than love to you, i know that it hurts you, but if she had done that, it would have been much easier for you, but she didn’t do it because she didn’t know how, this is a fact, yeah, and of course, you are now looking for someone who could do this, but then you need to open up, but here... the path to people will still lie through understanding people, this is what you need and sympathy for people , so i say, don’t try to justify your mother, just try to find inside yourself the reason why she did what she did, it’s only inside us, we can’t look for the reason inside other people, but we look in

, for example, we say, i would leave my child, if, well, if he was born with two heads, for example, well, even if we have three heads, it doesn’t matter, he has eight arms, it doesn’t matter, i looked. it’s interesting with you, yes, being a black sheep is, in general, either a choice or misfortune.

well, it was the triggers podcast, we were with you, uh, psychologists, presenters, tatyana krasnovskaya, sergey nasebyan, we talked with artyom about what it must be like to be a black sheep, and i’m ready to admit my own powerlessness in this case. all episodes of the triggers podcast. you can find it on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. you know, artyom, if you listen to this recommendation, you probably have some friends there who work in children’s departments and hospitals. you go, there is in the children's departments, in the very same children's departments, there is always a ward for refusals. just look at the children, as it were, who basically don’t know that they have parents, don’t know at all, maybe you’ll want to, well, they’ll probably give it to you. communicate, but you might want to, you can see a lot about yourself if you really it’s interesting to figure this out, then i

strongly recommend having more sympathy for people, well, i’ll tell you that i have a lot of sympathy for you, can i calm you down, thank you, hello, this is the burn with fire podcast and i, its host denis gorelov with a story about the current serial news on the domestic television market. i want to warn you that sometimes i will say the word film, this does not mean at all that we are talking about full-length films, these are long films, eight and ten episodes, most often in this podcast only tv series are mentioned; rare cases when full-length films are mentioned are discussed separately. let's start with the tv series obvious. incredible, in which, importantly, there should be no

punctuation between the words obviously and incredible. the series is based on the prose of ker bulalychev about the city of veliky guslyar, standing on the gus river, very much reminiscent of the volga, where, in fact, everything was filmed, as far as i remember, the filming locations were in astrakhan. kir bulychev, let's be honest, we admit it to everyone except his daughter alice, he didn’t particularly like people, although he hid it carefully. he loved all kinds of miracles, all kinds. the customs of various ancient animals and provincial russian cities in ramshackle rickety churches, and his people all the time turned out to be some bald, some quarrelsome and some green, because of this, in the people’s memory, mainly only the cycle about alice remained, although balychev wrote a lot of other things, he had film adaptations of comet and chance, but even there he concentrated on various anomalous phenomena, people somehow, mostly still... they came out somewhat erased and flat, which, of course, did not benefit the film adaptations; they

were not preserved in memory. a cheerful group of contemporaries, including director alexander vaitinsky, decided to correct the classic, who finally came to his senses and stopped making films about maniacs, which he was not very successful with. screenwriter kudymov, whom no one has heard of before, but now he will hear it properly, is a smart screenwriter, he managed to organize very diverse stories and short stories into a single whole and is generally a great guy, and also. two production units, occupied separately, usually with various, ordinary, absurdities, unusual things, etc., these are sharapov anurov, the shishken troika, gordeev dmitrievskaya, but recently they have approached the topic of various anomalies very seriously. which of them was the first to realize, in principle, that the great hutsl cycle lacks the main through-and-through character, well, let’s say, the director. the second technique of cornelia udolov with a bald head and strange behavior was completely

unsuitable for this job, who decided this is completely unclear, there are a lot of people, but he is clearly very gifted man and special praise to him. udalov was replaced by a red-haired fellow, the deputy mayor played by artyom bystrov, who himself is quite red-haired, his wife was repainted as svetlana khotchenko, the character is clear in advance, and a childhood friend. who became the new mayor, they made belinsky the new mayor, replacing maxim logashkin, who, like all mayors, naturally wants only good and wants through the development of various anomalies. the passage of aliens and so on, to put the city into orbit, to introduce it into the golden ring of russia while the inhabitants are completely they want a golden ring, but they want to play chess with aliens on the boulevards and so that no one will distract them with blitzes, flashes and similar tourist nonsense, which in general becomes the main essence of the through line of the series, without which a movie is not a movie, and

thus red the deputy mayor is hiding the megalomaniac alien vlyuk from the mayor. talking goldfish in a rod, a time machine in a closet, and super-gifted babies solving integral equations in a potty. sometimes he actually uses a time machine to fly into the past and root his family, because his classmate and now the mayor once also laid claim to the hand and heart of his chosen one, studying with them in the same class. of course, a visit to the past, as the back to the future franchise shows, can change a lot of things in the present, the present in the branch. children multiply, move from family to family, this does not interfere with what is happening at all, after all , such a regal poisonousness of khotchenkova, it is suitable for any version of the present and future, just like the rustic bystrov's pretentiousness and some of the bosses were dumbfounded by slogashkina, whom we have seen a thousand times in various other

films, every time we are glad to see again, it is always pleasant when people's artists, people's not the title, but... in fact, the title has not yet been awarded to them, when they are allowed to really play the fool, uh, after all, there is a great guslar here, it’s always like that with us. when khotchenko reduces her husband to pocket size and takes him to a symphony concert instead of fishing, and he sits there on the back of a chair, angry in the jacket of a familiar gnome, it seems that this is exactly what kirblychev would have wanted to do at one time, but somehow got wrapped up in his fixation on his daughter and miracles. the musical accompaniment deserves special compliments, as in his time the selector of music for the well wait series. great guslyar, of course, is an eternal city, a stable city, nothing has changed there for decades, but the music was specially selected from audio hits, audio classics of the late seventies, which, with their retrofuturistic fervor, are very

consistent with the city of great guslyar. this and the song "golden fish" that sounded in ours. my mother cried with joy for us, the same shainsky, this is the tukhmanov olympics in the 80s , performed by a fat man from estonia, tynisamyagi, from whose lips the phrase “today there is no escape from sports, there is no salvation from sports” sounded absolutely wonderful. and finally, everyone is already tired of this migulina grass near the house, of course, the earth in the porthole from the frequent constant repetition in retro films, but without it the guslar is not a guslar, the image of such... the whitest russian city at the turn of the times, of which this city is completely doesn’t notice, it’s very accurately conveyed by all these hits, uncle is at work, they’re with someone at the cinema, but the stars are nevertheless, but the stars are nevertheless, and take the palace for yourself, goldfish, the earth will be happy and young, separately for me i liked the line from the song olympics 80: today there will be more warmth and joy on earth, and

antonov’s space music floats into our business conversation, it’s very suitable. for the prose of kir bulychev, and of course, at every minute there is some improvement in the author’s outline with healthy reactions of a healthy humans and unknown animals. when pure crystal vodka begins to pour from the tap in the great guslyar, at the will of the guslyar residents, the fish do not shy away into the corner of the aquarium being poured like bulychev’s, on the contrary, they begin to swim quite cheekily, asking for a salad to snack on and put into the aquarium. they begin to pour the brine, which is wonderful in itself, the talented one-year-old baby, in addition to solving integral equations, says to molodtsov, where is aunt yulia, a gorgeous woman, how she presses me to sleep. aunt yulia, a gorgeous woman, having reduced her husband to microscopic size, arranges for him a demonstrative fitting in a boutique, categorically not noticing that he had exchanged

a dwarf with a friend. the gnome, of course, applauds and admires, but at the moment when the heroine with... a playful smile carries him behind the curtain to watch the fitting of lace panties, he begins to yell, no, and we understand the gnome very well here. aunt yulia is, of course, a gorgeous woman, but there is a limit to everything. and finally, in one of the episodes, aliens arrive and beat the mayor on the big head with a wooden mallet from school labor lessons, to the song “this world was not invented.” us, this world was not invented by me." dear series friends, comrades, of course, this world was not invented by you. but you lived it out absolutely gorgeously, where they are, they are well done. the next issue of our program will be the series others. four producers, remizova nelidov, kitaev and filipuk began with evil spirits, they quite competently assessed the commercial potential of evil in the eyes of the young undergrowth balduevs, and began to invest in various sketches about satan personally,

the end of the world, about the invasion of ghosts, king ishut, or close the gestalt, let’s say. about various paranormal phenomena and the like, in such a situation they certainly could not pass by the director with the last name vladimir raksha. because in hindu mythology raksha means a demon, and with its previous pictures, raksha fully corresponds to the new needs of these four. the surname raksha is quite rare in our country, so it’s no wonder that the hero-director is the grandson of the famous artist of the seventies yuri raksha, a classic vertical panorama that hollywood loves very much, panoramas taiga forest, they actually quote: grandfather’s landscapes of the mystical taiga, written for the film kirus vydersu uzala, on whose staff yuri raksha worked as an artist, visual

talents were clearly completely inherited by his grandson, the picture is gorgeous, and the only thing that can confuse, well, is a somewhat frankly cosmic narcissism, on wikipedia, director araksha is praised for her exceptional talents, outstanding films, and also again... with a beam of directed energy, the girl is able to

stop trams, tear them apart wolves, blow up bad apartments and spoil the peaceful pre-war life of leningrad in all other ways. the hunt for her includes, on the one hand, state security commissioner petrov , played by nikolai fomenko, and on the other hand, the chief of the great mystical project of the third reich himself, annarbe neumann , played by wolfgang czerny, who over the past 10 years, it seems, has outplayed all the nazi bastards that have just appeared on our screen. at the same time, shortly before the events taking place, he, a specialist in paranormal phenomena, was able to hypnosis force an entire special group of the nkvd in belligerent madrid to commit group suicide, only those resistant to charms. with all kinds of external influence, ivan, also a security officer, by the way, petrov’s brother-in-law, fight in every possible way with the harmful foreigner,

the germans manage to be the first to get to the witch girl, they teleport her across the border and settle her in a gothic castle along with a group of future young paranormal fighters of avver, all this is very similar to hogwarts, where , in fact, the little nazi imps have the best place... the daily routine in this very hogwarts is monitored by the nazi valkyrie katarina played by linda lapinge, and this is the lapensh of a healthy person, unlike the gdr series, where she played some kind of rare nonsense, no offense, be it said by the numerous fans of all this bullshit. in general , the picture is still fascinating in any case, wolves are tumbling there, trains are crossing the frame with a white puff from a chimney, linda lapinch is dissecting - a gothic castle in marlene dittrich trousers with snake earrings, everything would be fine if not for the special grading of screenwriter elena vaitovich. in her childhood, from 2000 to

2010, screenwriter vaitovich clearly spent time at hogwarts school, where she was taught to fly on a broom and pass through space, but was told absolutely nothing about history. inside the picture, already in the summer of 1940, the head of the abber, admiral canaris, twice. in several episodes he says that a big war awaits germany. lena kroshka, i inform you that by the summer of 1940, germany had already eaten poland and czechoslovakia, overpowered denmark, norway and holland and was finishing off little by little france, together with the british expeditionary contingent, can only think that this is a small war, only ignoramuses from the future like you. she didn’t stop there; in one of the episodes, admiral canaris spoke directly.

from the reich, which defended the jews, saved them, at the moment the holocaust memorial museum yatvashem is fighting with the central government of israel to be awarded the title of righteous of the world, savior of the jews, so far to no avail, but nevertheless, the very desire and the lobbying itself, in general , it says quite a lot, canaris sent hundreds of jews for the territory of the reich with forged documents and with... supposedly reconnaissance missions, this is written not only in all the stories of the abwehr, which scenaristsky, apparently, mitla did not reach. voice. the final. live. on saturday. on the first. it is clear that the closer nador's work gets to completion, the greater the chance other intelligence agencies will have of discovering it. there is one of them in the city.

this is still the podcast “woe by fire” and i am its host, denis gorelov, with a story about the main serial news of the domestic tv screen, everything.

well, now in europe and in the united states no films are being made, it is expressed in the struggle of alice with her friends against some sect of fire worshipers dissolved among the local population, women fight with a woman, men are led aside, by the way, an absolutely typical figure - european american detectives, an evil police officer with a bad character, and... taiga forests surround this city on all sides in every possible way, preventing anyone from escaping from it, as in all american films about russia, in addition, the residents of the city they are constantly waiting for the annual pagan holiday with dressing up as horned evil spirits, which in general is a rather striking feature of the american province rather than ours. finally, it seems that freddy krueger’s rhyme from... didn’t

make the nightmare on elm street series in its own bible, as it happened with the harry potter series, and i’ll even explain why: a nightmare on elm street is all -did go back to immediate american realities, the appearance of freddy krueger in the nightmares of small children said the following: uh, if mom and dad in the sixties and seventies threw themselves into a variety of drugs, then sooner or later they will receive retribution in the form of nightmares of their own children, in the dreams of their genetically spoiled children freddy krueger will come and cut them with his fingers and scissors. it’s clear that entire generations of the united states went through a drug intoxication, and this picture hit them, grabbed them to the quick, got on their nerves, which, of course,

did not happen to us. this was normal for us. horror movie, so the generation that remembers who freddy krueger is, what a nightmare is vyadov street, now approaching retirement age, the new generation these are names, this is the name of the name without saying. absolutely nothing, the glassalia performer categorically forgot that she was playing a small child, and if earlier she somehow managed to imitate a high school student, here she includes a little maternal intonation in a conversation with petty people, her voice becomes a little lower, clearly revealing her age, and her the lead's ampluatar breaks down completely when running along a white wall, because in general it is unarmed you can see with the eye that plastic...

bribes from them are smooth, because they are forced to constantly keep in mind various storylines, of which there are a great many, kidnapped children, reprogramming girls for various occult rituals with the sacrifice of small babies, some kind of penetration into other people's dreams and td tp, it is absolutely impossible to tie all these ends with each other, all that screenwriter volkova can come up with is, frankly speaking , a separate adventure, a socioenistic one. volkova, the demand is also small, because she, like all young girls, is herself imagines alisai with pararanoral abilities, with the ability to penetrate into the future, foresee everything that will happen next, and also with his forehead - to punch a nickel with his

enemy or with a wild screech to rupture the eardrums of a mental hospital orderly, there is no time for any kind of connections, producer control over what is happening on the screen is lost somewhere in the middle. fourth episode, a completely chaotic event is already happening there, scalped girls promise something terrible in the dreams of the main character, and the girls are raped they take revenge on their fathers by killing them with a pistol, and the witches aim their knitting needles at the eyes of children and opponents, and these are not spoilers, the producers are clearly, as can be seen from the series cyber village magic plot, completely immersed themselves in utopian folklore and it will be very difficult to get them out of there, the directors, thank god, seem to thank fate that they actually got rid of this picture at least by the eighth episode, the wonderful art of vorozhtsov, rozin, yakomasov and velkov,

judging by their facial expressions, constantly ask themselves the question of what i’m even doing here, however a certain irritated stupefaction is only good for the series, it’s quite suitable for teenage horror, the viewer is clearly holding on to the jug all this time , remembers the grumpy cop durov from the film “i’m walking through moscow”, lord, you’ve messed with my head, hypnotized writers, shell-shocked horses, go to hell, and as for the critic, just like the artists, he sits and thinks: lord, why am i watching all this, this is still the grief with fire podcast and i, its host... denis gorelov with a story about the main new series of the russian television screen. we end our program with a story about the series kesha must die, and the wonderful director bogomolov. it should be noted in advance that while

russia was openly outraged by the transgender heresy, we somehow missed the main message of modern american and european cinema. this is a quiet, total and consistent struggle with a man. men need to either... be fired, expelled, relegated to the periphery, or , as often as possible, forced to get into dog shit, or left in their underwear in front of the general assembly, nations that have long ago forgotten what war is and what manual labor is, to which men are still more predisposed, clearly completely nullify their male gender and profane the female.

gifted characters, he can be good, as always happens with kozlova, so this trio decided to re-sing in a new way, a modern way, the film the witches of eastwig, once in... quartets of star performers cher, nicholson, phifer and sarandon, now this the film is absolutely impossible to watch, i i tried it, it tells the story of three provincial abandoned women, doing about nothing, one conducts a school choir, the other... writes a culinary column in a rural newspaper, the third minute,

stamps out identical plaster sculptures of women for souvenir lovers, half the film the conversation is about erections, i hope children are already asleep, and finally about the deeply symbolic long cigar of jack nicholson, who appears on the horizon. only on the seventy-seventh hour and 17 minutes after the start, cher utters an important catchphrase: it’s time to think with your head, not with what's between your legs. which the heroines are completely incapable of, and even more so the director of the film miller is not capable of this, because he filmed the motorcycle saga mad max, is able to think only with what is between his legs, that is, with a motorcycle, nicholson, who at the end of the film, after all satisfies all the most varied fantasies with heroin, died in the most perverted way, to the joy of the village, the wealthy architect kesha, performed by bogomolov himself, has three exes. fourth current and extensive personal life with everyone

four by whispering in the ear, each of them, how much he directly loves each of them, all the rest are a complete zero for him, well, somewhere soon enough the trio of ex-wives decide to beat the hell out of him, which in general is beyond their strength, due to their brainlessness, armlessness and lack of prowess, screenwriter... kozlova is completely merciless towards her sisters by gender, which, in fact, makes her an outstanding author, and the three main furies of the national screen, yulia snegir, yulia alexandrova and alexander a child, the most varied quirks and fools of three such anti-witches play in absolute vain, only when looking at the fourth, vasilisa perilygina, a keen-eyed spectator. understands that something might work out for this one, in general, frankly speaking, he is not

mistaken, references to the film the witches of eastwick are visible in the film at every step, and firstly, the hero has such an arrogant, sleepy look of jack nicholson, director bogomolov he’s been like this since childhood, it’s clear that he simply couldn’t trust anyone but himself with the main role, besides, by inseminating his girlfriends, the devil after all... it produces only boys with a clear hint that it will teach them bad things, in addition, kesha in childhood, just like nicholson in the east witch, played the violin. finally, an obvious reference to witches is that in the film everyone constantly vomits, including the dog, which is in no way determined by the script or plot convoy, but at the same time it refers to the devout witches, where it’s like...

abandoned, he’s smart, bright, deceitful, mean-spirited, interesting, in general, to the best of his ability, earning enough for this entire chicken coop, which is also a flower garden, he’s crushing these young ladies around himself, because, firstly, he loves them, and secondly, he loves them. sensations, there are people who are very interested in all sorts of undercover tricks, various jokes and the general atmosphere of a social event with poisonous slander, and people of this kind love life very much, they very easily take root in any atmosphere, in any society, be it here, or in exile, even in the soviet past, people who know me generally understand who i mean in my closest...

the united states and europe, which we all have the opportunity to observe, as regards of our quite respectable series, then it

demonstrates obvious national health, yes, of course, a misogynist, an abuser, a manipulator, a male chauvinist... pig, i want to kill the cache directly, i understand the girls, but the question arises: crumbs, sweethearts, crown creation, what will you do without it? all the heroines, without kesha, are completely incapable of earning the standard of living to which they were accustomed to under him, they all haven’t found enough men, they’re pretty sad for their own children, frankly speaking, quite... frankly bored without keshi without any of the thrills that it brings them, what should they do in this case , absorb the magical energy of the wild forest from below, there is nothing more to do. in conclusion, we can say that all sorts of anomalies, paranormalities, and so on, have become, perhaps,

the main theme of today's season against the backdrop of the departure of several production groups, some in immigration, others in the shadows, new producers.

it was a podcast of mount with fire and i, its host denis gorelov, with a story about the main serial novelties of the domestic television screen. hello, my name is dmitry bak another episode of a literary podcast, let them not... talk, let them read. today we will talk about a wonderful russian prose writer, about one of the greatest russian prose writers, poets, and playwrights, critics, and professors of the 20th century, and maybe not only the twentieth, you probably already guessed who we are talking about, we are talking about ...