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and she met her family there. even later , her sister came to the soviet union and lived with her, yes, yes, and in my opinion, she passed away in the soviet union and as a faintern she was absolutely powerless. here she could break loose on someone there, here is the make-up staff there, and at the same time there, uh, she suddenly finds out that someone has a birthday, yes, yes, and perfume perfume, what to give? it was a very hmm expensive gift. she wrote endless letters asking for money. she sent this money and the directorate of the theater to our late director or after all, losev, but they found some opportunities to make up for it, but her salary of all the people's artists of the ussr was the lowest, because she was, but she did not
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participate in any social processes with them, because, uh, she was not an absolutely political figure, and well, and the testament for it, of course. nobody took revenge on her. naturally, and in general , the government did not treat her very well. and she was awarded, and even here she is. uh, when brezhnev said during the award ceremony that more or less me? yes, she told him. how are you? yes, say, here, well, in general, she is alive in her such independent life, the only creature to which she was attached. it was a boy. it was a dog. uh, a mongrel, which, well, it was enough of such a bullshit dog.
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but when we kept the fund, he behaved surprisingly tactfully, he simply stood there at the coffin. everyone was surprised. in general , the funerals of ranevskaya themselves also had some kind of tragicomic character, for example, here we were in the process of everything, and there was a photographer who wanted take a frame. that's all funeral procession, and he retreated retreated fell into a flower bed. then it means, uh, when they began to say goodbye. here she is on this pedestal, which leaves, then yes, as you know, down in the kremlin. mikhail lvovich lvov is my partner, by the way, we also worked together. uh, in the play, happiness is really good, the best fondure in the theater was called fufa. her nickname was fufa, no one called frenga. did you see the fulfa there or did you talk to the fulfa. i don't know if she knew about this nickname or not, but of course, no one called her that to her face. here
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and now he approaches the group all in terrible excitement. and he says fufa, there is a pause at the coffin again. yes ah and there abnormally with tears. that's all any liked it. i think so, because she was a paradoxical person. she was friends with love petrovna orlova, but lyubov petrovna was an aristocrat. although she was a brilliant actress and aristocracy. didn't interfere with her work. that's even clear to me. why they were friends, this is how it is humanly understandable. and then this friendship was embodied in their joint. e work in the movie spring. well, lyubov petrovna had a completely different nature, but again, lyubov petrovna plays the main role, and the war, there
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is pilaf, there is fruit yes, it’s bad there, but she’s not crazy until she can’t play. uh, a role maybe. petrovna as for ranevskaya, you know, i still cannot say that she was a very intelligent person. no, for example, i had a chance to work with vladimir, the hyacinth leading actress of the second moscow art theater. and so i worked with her at the komsomol theater. here she was an aristocrat, really fengo. no, she was generally daughter and taganrog oilman. but it was rubbish. you see, it was natural. it was some kind of gem. it seems to me that some very hmm internal volume was very large, it was very paradoxical and quite a significant volume in it, a lot of
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things were mixed in her shower room with her firewood. well, it’s just that i have a feeling that she has not realized much, that this is a huge experience as a potential actor. until the end was not used as a person. i agree with you. she, of course, revealed herself enough to remember that she was friends with tsvetaeva with parsnips with mayakovsky with akhmatova , they were just friends, and more than that, the leader of the roots in chukovsky was simply jealous when they were in tashkent. they spend so much time with this one, because it is certainly very demanding. yes, a very tough domineering akhmat brings her closer to him. it's just much, and in a strange way. this, of course, is the limit. eh, talent you know , when i read uh, the notes of uh, ranevskaya herself then, perhaps, i was most struck by her memories of her childhood, how she was 4
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or five years old, and he was her brother, lazar died, brother laser. she was very worried and cried a lot. and then as she writes, she looked at herself in the mirror when she was crying and at that moment she realized that she would be an actress. to be honest, i think that i most likely added it retroactively, it’s unlikely there, i think that she didn’t even write it, i don’t know, it seems to me that i’m interrupting. as far as i know, she wrote, then it is she whether it destroyed it. it seems to me that it seems to exist that you don’t have to play on stage to play. it is necessary there in football in hockey. there is something else to live on the stage. yes, and that's what that's why it seems to me, that's a creative person. such grief happened in the family, yes, and then one after that will begin to write with the elements, yes, the other, maybe, well, the music of the third book. she felt that
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she wanted to play. this is a sincere experience that was born in her heart. here she saw herself in the mirror. she realized that she was at home in order to have these there are experiences for people, so it seems to me that this fragment is very reliable, it explains a lot in it, and it explains, of course, some of the deepest potential. uh, this actress of this person, who is still her main roles. here my thought did not work. so to speak, i saw her the only time in my life here in this performance, and then silence. here you are where they sleep, and she plays. i was still quite a young man. just entered the university. and my dad said to me, go while they are alive, look at these old people. and so many years have passed. i don't really remember the content of this performance. well, how did they go on stage, how did they splash gray? here is a touch to ranevskaya later. i have already begun to read all these aphorisms, but there was a feeling of some really bitterness of some kind of understatement of this
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human, this female fate. i 'll tell you so. eh, why should there be a board? an unsaid degree of sophistication is too much of an agreeable degree. yes, i generally think that if you poke the viewer like this, like this just put the dots. this is wrong. but this is how i am guided by myself. e, so that the audience had the opportunity to fantasize. you just point him in the right direction. and what is it, because a person individually can fantasize much brighter and richer than you try to play it, you understand, so i don’t think that , if there is, it was destined to become the myth that it became, right? that's not needed. doskannost. if there had been a clear statement, it would not have become a myth, you understand, this is such a paradoxical thing, and it seems to me that if
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if only she, well, she played, after all, central roles, that's the same dream and actually in the theater, she played the central movie all the time. well, strange mission or strange months, then refused to play. well, she just was. i understand that, for example, i also do not like to play now. yes, well, there comes a certain period when you get tired of it, and she, as far as i understand her, is also already. well, it's grown. this is a resurrection. you understand some kind of role that, e, would correspond to some kind of inner e message. well, searching. already when she was and was not in old age, and it is unlikely that she, as a professional , understood that she no longer had the strength to do this, then you understand to me vasily ivanov vasily borisovich ivanov how we are friends with him. he
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told me, he tried, uh, speech, in autumn green, by the way, they were friends the same thing, they didn’t play together in a foundling. yes? yes, yes, yes. this is her script. eh, green. yes, i fired barto yes , but they all argued, then because of this phrase i begged. every authorship tried. yes i think so, uh so tried and why is she not a folk artist? ussr ranevskaya, by the way, was the people of the ussr and there were no three stalin prizes. well, when it means he didn’t tell how he vasilievna, we were filming dogs, we tried. she should initiate her to become a people's artist of the ussr, she told him, i 'll be offended by you. i will not talk to you, because she understood her place, the form in
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which she exists, you understand, and she agreed with this form. yes ranevskaya i think i did not agree with my form. why doesn't she agree? she has always been the leader actress, i don’t know, i don’t know, judging by what she wrote, but you question, of course, the authenticity of these texts. yes, nonetheless. i have a feeling that she constantly hears this motive of dissatisfaction with her fate - a question. well , as they say, theatrical fate. this is a question. this is not contentment. e, this is a demanding artist, as pushkin says, not only in this matter, it seems to me, it seems to me , here she is, true, she didn’t play out very much , i think that she was so dissatisfied with fate. no, look, she wrote herself about her youth, that this is the cemetery of her roles , that she played in the twenties. there , the beginning of her career, how much she played in these provincial theaters. it's all gone, as if without a trace in the sand. further , in the thirties, she already begins to play in moscow but this, well, in a donut, she is beautiful.
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wednesday, yes, they can not this film , and she learned, as they said, yes, french special these few phrases. she even pronounced them in his text and one of the french looked there over there, and he admired this game, because by movement saw french speech. this is revealing. she is truly incredible. and yes , the unique potential is unique and further, that further these soviet films. they are very cute beautiful, by the way, the movie. uh, the foundling is interesting in that it echoes from your film. and i'm walking around moscow because i'm walking around moscow because moscow is shown here and there in one day. yes , that is, the heroes are moving around moscow for one day, it says, great film. here is our viewers, you can say if who has not seen or reconsider, because here is moscow 30 foundling come on, your film is shown more often. he is more famous. he sounded foundling so a little bit, except for this phrase he went into the sand. here is a look at moscow in the thirties, there is a double-decker trolleybus, for example,
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traveling yes in moscow yes, in general, these people are a wonderful wonderful film atmosphere, but it is more than this film. well, i agree with you, but i think it's okay. it can only be dreamed of so that the audience's perception, and she had her there, and in film by mikhail roma dreams. here she already has weak work in the cinema. well, nothing, well, what is this movie here, where uh? yuri vasilyevich , i'm leo, an amazing artist, there about some kind of dry cleaning. and now she was a rislav yanych, she was called hackers, because her legs worked on the radio, but she herself agreed, probably, some circumstances. maybe the money was needed. i don't judge at all. why does each actor have roles, not everyone has them no you see, she is still different in her a lot of things were like
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personality, she really managed to win everyone. yes, it seems that fate drove her into some kind of corner. i won't give. i won’t give you this role, this role just you nothing and it was absolute. today's language to speak, she straight was a completely different matter. she never worked out. uh, power in the theatre. here ver petrovna maretskaya is also an outstanding lump, but she is yuri alexandrovich to zavadsky. ah, she was his wife. their son was helping to build a theater to run a theater, he never did it. she existed separately. here is a separate such erofort such a sir such that lovers, you see, at the same time in our theater the right hand of the factory was irina sergeevna anisimova wulf director, and she is also the ex-wife of the factory mother irina
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sergeevna in pavel wolf yes, a friend of her close friend, close and a mentor in every sense, rina sergeevna had a son alexei, which means ranevskaya lived in their house for some part of the week, she lived with them, and part, that means at her place, and therefore she called alexei ersatz, grandson. he published a book in his book writes that i came to change the linen bed fondue. she then already lived on the street of alexei tolstoy and a, i must say that she, uh, slept on her feet. and then alexey came, and he , as he writes there, began to change the sheet, and so he bent down and lay down. uh, tucked this sheet to the wall there, the last name was in a nightgown. elderly woman. she stood at
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the door. and she looked at him like he was making the bed and then said. lyosha when will i be gone? about us grandmother will say everything, do not believe it. alyoshka, this is what he expressed very delicately on this topic. to me it seems that the thirst for love, there was a huge paradox of it and is the answer. why did she become the idol of our time? i don't know how she felt about it herself. but she was very ironic and most ironic. that's all these jokes of hers, they are all on the verge of a foul, you can say when she is aware of this case, when she just appeared in moscow and saw her on the street in the center there in a stroller,
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which means stanislavsky and she ran after him and shouted, my boy, my boy, by the way, here is a myth, here i don’t really see something, it’s looks like her. well, maybe, but, i like her story more, is it true or not? yes, that she was invited to your house at the end of the thirties, judging by everything, already after the death of stanislavsky, she, therefore, came to nemirovich dachanchenko, he crumbles in compliments. that's it, she agrees. she wants to work for you at the hut, and then she says nemirovich danchenko as she leaves . thank you very much vasily petrovich vasily petrovich thank you very much. and when she calls there the next day, they say that nemirovich-danchenko changed his mind about taking her, and in moscow art theater, i don’t know if this is true or not, but at least this story is very busy. it converges with her essence with her character, a special reservation, in this case or not. i think
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not, not on purpose and such a random slip of the tongue. i think it’s a slip of the tongue, but where her intuition worked, she didn’t have to work there, that is, her intuition turned out to be smarter than she really is and, uh, she does understand something, she has an amazing role. here manka, in a storm they beat the churchman, and then he just super. yes, it is true that people came. just look at her and leave the factory, it pissed off not pissed off. and he realized that he threw out the episode later, because it turned out that people came for the sake of this episode. uh, and then they left and it was, well, not a comfortable situation for a performance, right? a large part of the audience leaves. well, evgeny yurievich you can talk endlessly about faina georgievna, and you know what i want to say. when i write books for a series of six wonderful people, i i always consider it my task to demiselogize
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my characters, that is, to separate the myth from the truth. in the case of fine georgievna, i absolutely do not want to do this. i love that she's a myth and they keep making movies. they continue to argue, and in this it is definitely her victory. victory of her as an actress. victory of her as a woman of victory and her as a person. yes thank you very much for this thank you conversation for these memories. it was a podcast of the life of wonderful people with you alexei varlamov, writer, rector of the literary institute. thank you hello this is a must- read podcast we talk about literature of interesting people with interesting people. today i am
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visiting. vladislav istrashenko, writer, screenwriter and author of a book about the playwright , there is no dry mare, we will talk about him today vlad e, many have heard about the play krichinsky's wedding, in fact, it is rumored that alexander vasilievich kobylin is the author of the trilogy. uh, the plays of the wedding of the krichinsky case and the death of tarelkin. well, his first play, and probably the most popular and successful, is krichinsky's wedding. it is still being put, but few people know that it was written in prison. why was the author in jail? tell yes indeed, this is probably the most famous play. e russian theater. there were three such trump cards, this is woe from the mind of the inspector general and the wedding cry. e, which was always brought to all theaters, was always made at the box office and krichinsky's wedding. eh,
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it premiered in 1855 at the maly theater in november, and it was indeed written in prison. uh, at the e resurrection gate, she is a bail for noble officers in a prison cell. uh, because 5 years before events in 1850, on the night of november 7-8 , the mistress of alexander vasilyevich of the dry kobyrin, louise simone, a frenchwoman, disappeared. yes, which came to him evaporation, they lived in the world together. uh, eight years in a, well, illegal relationship. eh, and here. eh, they had a very serious relationship and she e he would not be madly in love, but he was alexander va sukhova kobylin. eh, very handsome man. he possessed demonic power over women, and besides this frenchwoman, he had
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a lot of other lovers in moscow, uh, louise everything it endured very uh lasted so somehow. that's all endured until they appeared. e new. he has a passion. eh, such nadezhda ivanovnaryshkina, innate to noring. uh, the woman was completely uninformed. i read here memoirs they and french russians - it just was and she fell madly in love with alexander vasilyevich began. so to speak, a pick of reality. yes, such a female duel, a real one, and then suddenly she disappears. uh, two days later. uh, she is found uh brutally killed with her throat and wrapped oblique. yes, it was terrible, because she was proudly beaten, indeed, like uh, her throat was wrapped around to establish bleeding, but most importantly, when the corpse was raised behind presnenskaya zastava. he was thrown out on the street. just somewhere in the snow, yes
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, in a snowdrift on the side of a small road. and most importantly, it means that the version of the robbery by cabbies was immediately excluded, because it was found in jewelry, yes, and it’s just that for a fortune there were diamond rings, sapphire emerald earrings and a frenchwoman’s leg simona dimash in moscow yes, she was, and uh, a dry shoe specialist rented apartments for her in the house of count gudovich. it's right next to the house. he survived. by the way, this house is right next to the governor general's house. this is bryusov lane. uh, now this is how bryusov is called , translated from moscow, servants of diamonds. yes, she had a yard cook, that's all. and now not only the version of the robbery was excluded, but also the version of rape, because there was evidence and and er, of course, suspicion immediately fell, but alexander vasilyevich sukhouk an epic, and they came to him in the friegel, e with
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a search and soon. after the french woman's body was discovered, this search took place and bloody stains were found in his outbuildings. moreover, some of the plasters washed out were there on the plinths of cleaning, so to speak, after cleaning, and alexander vasilyevich is he. uh, of course, was immediately arrested along with his valet was arrested for interrogation, when he began to be asked questions about these works of the fifth. he said that it was not so awkward that here is a chamberlainer, maybe maybe there was splattered from the nose, blood was flowing from the art-general, blood came out of the nose was a sudden coincidence. and vlad let's talk separately. actually, who was alexander vasilievich sukhova mare. what place did he occupy in society, because it seems to me that this is important, perhaps he felt unpunished. before this situation, and can be very free, because he is the godson of emperor alexander i, a very rich
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man. hey landowner. well, brilliantly, educated with a huge fortune and huge influence in society. we can say that this is very important. this is very important, because this, uh, you have to imagine. yes, whoever is arrested is arrested, a person, that is, there were, uh, six, the names of the most distinguished e of the russian nobility. this is, uh, kolycheva, yakovlevs, babarykin and sheremetyevo romanova and sukhov mare, this is the honor of the most just at the top of the pyramid of you nobility. well, the dry mare was fantastically rich. e estate in the five provinces of the russian empire, that is, modern standards. i was just an oligarch, but at the same time a very important point for its characterization, it is important for me that this be touched upon. yes, uh, because uh is on the one hand. on such an educated brilliant uh, european educated person who was familiar with gogol, there uh freaked out, that means with
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the left nikolaevich tolstoy and uh, at the same time. eh, of course, uh, he had e not without it. here is such despotism. he was a man with a very strong character and a very cruel need for this christian. as far as i understand, and my own hands, as they said then, i used my own hands and rented my own. yes of course, and everyone was talking about him more than the courtier. eh, contemporaries, that the servants trembled before him for some reason, to such an extent that there i read the memoirs of his maid, that she once went into his office and there was a portrait painted by tropinin, here the artist, and she she fainted when she saw him with fear, because i think, suddenly she went into the office, when he was there, it just came in on time, yes, these are his characteristics. and this man must be imagined, he is arrested, and he uh, i must say that here is the governor general.
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e of moscow, the military governor-general arseniy andreevich zakrevsky, of course, he hated him, because he was the only person. in moscow, who allowed himself, uh, to joke about arseniy andreyevich zakrevsky , ask, but this is the frenchwoman simone dimash . why are they clinging to this matter so much? why we carried with her, i understand the brutal murder, but on the other hand, we understand that, probably, in the 19th century in russia, this could get away with an influential person. is not it so case. it could have gotten off at all, but no , quietly, because, well, here's the man. eh, yes, the attack of the person was taken. uh, they arrested him right there and went into action, all connections were put into action, of course, and the money was put into action on the day of the dry mare gave bribes on his own business, yes in this case, that he is a huge bribe there, it’s okay, well, less, yes . pledged in the board of trustees, uh, and uh, paid bribes, but uh, french, it
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was a magistrate. she was just such a designer. yes, now there was a modern designer, but she was a girl, i must say here moral qualities of rather high quality. she didn't. it's just that such a kept woman, yes, which the guy bought himself, is not there. she was, uh, quite delicate. and when she came to moscow to alexander vasilievich alcohol. yes, they are in paris just remember, she did not immediately want to earn her money there, to come to him with money petersburg, where he did not succeed with these hats. there, it means trading and so on. so she, uh, in general, played a very important role in the family of dry epic. she handled them commercially enterprises. they had more care than champagne snakes there. yes, yes, groceries are many, many, many , they had everything. she was engaged in non-clay were shopping. so she was there, which means that these
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stores were supervised. well, or somehow she was the manager of these stores, but uh the thing is, why uh, why didn’t this thing happen, it’s immediately closed in the bud, because uh, dry wok were uh, they are simply influential people in moscow, namely with officials senior officials arseniy andreevich zakrevsky governor-general of moscow military the general-bernator of moscow had in his hands clean forms signed by the sovereign and with the permission of the sovereign emperor nicholas to enter everything into these forms, including, well, the tsar was afraid of the revolution, so he made moscow just such a cerberus simply, which is arseny andrey zakrevsky, indeed he held the whole of moscow in his fist before him , everyone trembled, they were just dry, but that's how he was yes, he allowed himself to joke daringly. and there was arseny andreevich and moreover , to joke on a very painful topic with arseny andreevich zakrevsky, his wife was
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lev nikolaevich tolstoy's great-aunt, uh, agrofin fyodorovna, is fat for her muscles , zakrevskaya, but she was such a moscow missolina, and in an english flowerbed he allowed himself to joke very impudently and call him a crowned cuckold. well, of course, all this was reported to zakrevsky; i had such a special green book. of course, there was a green book. he wrote everything down there and when this all happened. here you are. yes, and suddenly a policeman in a thermometer of moscow comes with a report to the governor-general and says, this is so they found it, so she was a subject of france brutally murdered. uh, here are the strange circumstances of the circumstances. and what and how? and uh, but in africa, or dry, they were found for blood, and, of course, the governor general of moscow immediately takes this investigation under his own control, as they say now. it's just that he appoints such a secret investigation and, of course, dryly. luke was, but hard labor threatens 20 years 30 years, and he ends up in
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prison. yes, he gets more. let's say that he did not write anything before this event, that is, his literary talent woke up already in prison. after all these events, however, absolutely sukhovo mare. i think that if not for all these events, as he said, a terrible turning point in his life had come to pass. if not for all this then, most likely, no writer would have come out of him. it was by weight. uh, he's a player must have played. and so in the village of the patrimony he won the village for bread at the card. there, then at count anton's next door. so, here, that is, he was a man who, in general, he would not have turned out to be a writer. and here it is, it turns out to be a great grief and yes, yes they forced to see it, maybe in the depths of oneself. and to find something there is actually a tragedy, yes , a turning point in his life, and this turning point e he made a completely different person out of him,
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of course, when he was arrested and the first few days. he was terrified, he wrote . they put him against the wall with thieves with immoral mob. that is, they didn’t just put him in jail, he was humiliated, in fact, he was put in jail. now, uh, back then it was called the secret room of the police department. now it's just called kartsev, but it's happening here. here's what some time after alexander is in jail. suddenly , those serfs who were in the servants of simonash confess to the murder of him. there is a cook kucher and two maids. so they say that we killed her, because he was looking for such an evil. she also beat us, just like barin lay on our master. the master was also punished for this, and so they decided to take her out with the light, and they, uh, testified how they did it, as if they went into her bedroom at night. here in her apartment. first they beat her and strangled her, then the cook and
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the coachman took her out of the presnenskaya outpost. well it is you who tells their version of their version, which, and then after they thought it was hoarse. they figured she'd, uh, come to life. suddenly they cut their throats, but this version, you understand, here's a similar one. yes, it is implausible exactly why? because, first of all , he had two dogs in her bedroom. eh, these are the sadnesses of the goat, which would just bark there. it would be noise, she would resist, and most importantly, of course, the most important thing that destroys this version. uh, she was found with bandages arteries. yes, there is a lot of blood. that's a lot of blood. and when they lifted the body, there were a few drops of blood, the whole dress was covered in blood, it didn’t come out of the snow when somewhere else in another place. in such a place, and this was what the minister of justice, count panin, insisted on this, in order to refute the version of the serfs, as it were,
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but the serf consciousness and dryness were temporarily released from prison, and then, when it came to the court serfs refused these testimonies and said that these i was forcefully forced to testify there, well, they actually tortured me. so, the bailiff sterligs hung them up there by strings, beat them in the kidneys there, that is, they just knocked out testimonies and when the serfs refused, the dried epics again became the main suspect in the murder. and then he ended up in prison already, when the new system was appointed. and in prison, uh, he writes. that is, of course, it is unbelievable, can you imagine, here the man is in prison. uh, here he is facing 20 years of personnel, the evidence is all working against him. here he sits writing a comedy. fire safety check. fuck everyone. shut up
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