not decorations, which was published in the newspaper screen and stage. he was the schedule of the miloradovichs, and we were completely shocked by the last line, that only no one ordered a mourning ring for him, and this line turned out to be the thread that connected ekaterina and me tightly, and therefore we want to say today in this studio that for this is such a very valuable coincidence that the answer from ekaterina came to me on december 5, on my birthday. and that was the best birthday present that year. i'm sorry, misha, but i received a letter from anastasia on the third of december, and the third of december is the day of the unknown soldier. i accidentally found out about it completely and when i read it i was in such complete bewilderment. and this is such a hello from the great unknown. and besides

, i want to say that the envelope is very interesting. i ask nastya later. nastya, you did it on purpose, no, not on purpose, but here, well, there is such a picture, well, we know about postal envelopes, but here in the laurel market the letter m is like a monogram, that is, like miloradovich in a laurel wreath, in general miracles. what are the nastya's story means, i realized that this is my chest, so with my jewelry. they discovered e around october e, and in october miloradovich was 250 years old, just from the day he was born. and this is what happened to me in such accidents. there are simply no coincidences, and we realized that it must definitely be his, besides, nastya means, uh, received a state examination. we also have it, which is said to be very likely. this is exactly the ring that was ordered by friends or people who were close. well here we have it means that there were big, so to speak, difficulties. we started looking. possible

some moves, so who could order it? and it was very difficult, because there were no, uh, documents. actually, there were no documents. someone once ordered such a ring, because when i wrote the text, i consulted about my senior comrades. i have read quite a few documents. uh, i called the senior comrades again, the senior comrades, again they said that they had to say so. it's all unknown, and so happy serious experts and connoisseurs. but we can assume something the doctors did. we can assume that this was done by the generals or trubetskoy, but no, no reports separately. we can think of assuming that relatives the sister who lived, mila radovic's own, did not outlive him by more than 20 years. the nephew was in st. petersburg, but it doesn’t work like that, if the yaroslavl province. this is the only one who fights, so here is apollo aleksandrovich maikov uh, who, according to

the memoirs of bashutsky, again stood. there nearby during hmm miloradovich's last minutes and, according to the descriptions, was close to death. even closer to the count himself. eh, he is mentioned in the will, as we have already said. e, then he turns out to be maikov when they began to study in depth, he was born in the yaroslavl district, approximately in the village of gorki. there are several such villages, but here is one of the villages, just in the big village where mishina, the grandmother, lived. eh, and some began to arise, some began to arise. the story somehow comes to life to grow with something, but it’s still not very clear how this ring has come to grandmothers set. we were not very successful in noticing something that they did not melt it down. the same will be born. and now you can tell misha and nastya about family traditions, my grandmother was a very religious person. eh, i thought that might be the case. this means that the only

relative of maikov nikolai apollonovich, the son of apollon alexandrovich, was recovering from his wound and became a good artist there. and he could come there, then to landscapes and something else, and when they became a father, then he could. as a matter of fact, this ring should be given to the temple. so how do you contribute? and then, actually, when they robbed , they destroyed and burned, so to speak, people could take it for storage. here's a possible option, but i don't know, by the way let's show the ring, after all, we have it, we brought the ring, in fact, with very warm energy. very good kind. he has energy - it is felt, a very loving person, he made a ring, my grandmother gave it to me about 20 years ago. it was probably 2002, the third year approximately. here i uh saw inscription. at that time, the internet was already appearing here, only now i scored on the internet. eh, miloradovich m. a. here, but

apparently, to correct the milorides. yes, but i was wrong. but yandex didn’t seem to fix anything. and then there was nothing on the internet. i put this ring in my jewelry box and i had it at home. i would like to ask my grandmother. not anymore. and we have such a wonderful, then, history. here rummage with grandmothers in chests caskets. maybe you will find something, imagine how to get rich and decorate our history mikhail or maybe really a little, maybe some other interesting things in the chest. it was serious preparations for the wedding nothing at all. but maybe, once again, say something a little about your family back then . i was born in a large village and grew up there; now i live in yaroslavl 2 and a half years ago , i met anastasia. i made her

an offer. and so the ring found the right hands is located. and so it would still lay and lay. i understand that mish was interested in you there. yes, somehow, well, not so much with this man, a strict man came from right away, it means that she wrote with all her fists , found me, wrote to me, and the most interesting thing that i liked was that a letter came by mail from the russian post, not an electronic one, not a text message. nothing. it was the only address that i found on the internet, i have no mail. only the address yes, the postal address, and there was no certainty that it was up-to-date whether this letter was given, but the letter found its addressee, and uh, we haven’t said such an important thing as the ring itself. e, it means he doesn't have an e brand the assay office, which tells us about

the time of production of this ring and the mixture of metal from which it is made, this ring is gold, but there is a brand name. the so -called brand of the author ht that is, it is in latin. and as a matter of fact, we found in the catalog in the catalog of hallmarks. we found this is ht this brand is genrik, talberg e master from finland living in st. petersburg from 19 to 32 years. that is, we understand that this ring was made in st. petersburg by these masters. so to speak, this is us with one side, the investigation did not advance far, but we absolutely understand that the ring is not somewhere , so to speak. it's only in st. petersburg. that is, it's st. petersburg. hmm, it means the master did it. maybe you tell us now miloradovich how

you feel about him, we will not tell you more about the rook. what you have already told us, but we want to say that, of course, he became the hero of our family more than one coincidence, er, which i like to talk about personally. this is that the ring is m, but it has moved to m. and misha and i are waiting for replenishment of the family. and after this story, the name of our child was a foregone conclusion, my lord on this one. ah, have a wonderful night. we can safely end our today's uh podcast , which is called miloradovich's ring, and i thank today's participants sergey mikhailovich nekrasov, director of the all-russian pushkin museum mikhail and anastasia dubynin , a young married couple from yaroslavl well, myself, of course, ekaterina arkan thank you

hello friends, this is a podcast life is wonderful and with you i am alexei varlamov , a writer and rector of a literary institute. we are today's guest, a wonderful prose writer, writer, playwright, publisher yevgeny anatolyevich popov, a legendary person who speaks. today we will be about vasily pavlovich aksyonov and his novel. crimea island greetings so evgeniy anatolyevich how are you? i understand that the author of a book about him, which you wrote with alexander, was really very friendly with vasily pavlovich kabakov and e. tell me, please , why axions yes, who was so famous for his wonderful, well, such touching, unusual, very tender works of the sixties, and star

tickets for a commodity barrel of packaging. why in the seventies after all? it seems to me that his style is changing, he is turning to the genre of the novel. and writes. well, such things are more political more social, what happens to him. you watched my acquaintance with him and very close friendship with him began in 78 years. before that, i was an admirer of the viewer so. and i i'll tell you, it means that by the time i met him, i had a question. and where did the writer aksyonov, the author of the bachkatar and, for example, so, because i was no longer satisfied, nor the search for the genre, there wasn’t something that seemed a little bit like that, a little bit numb. and so when means we met him, and he was imbued with confidence in me. i have given to read roman burn. he

didn’t even go on the lists, but hid from him and who served as a result for one of the reasons that he was deprived of citizenship. here then i realized where aksyonov is a huge novel , a completely new one, he developed. he just developed. and why did an island appear in the crimea in general, what was it, crimea then for you, here is crimea, this favorite place was moscow and st. petersburg bohemia. yes, and not only bohemia there and the underground went there, and everything was prayed for, because the voloshin house and that’s all, it’s easier aksyonov adored this place and obviously it occurred to him to do it there. here is this trick with the sharp crimea but see this novel, as far as i understand it was for the first time published in america after his emigration correctly, and you read it before he went to put it on, because i was present almost from his birth roman well, tell me, it’s very interesting in the seventy -ninth year, so the winter has passed, very

hard for us because thugs novels, metropol sledgehammers. if it is also a separate topic, because this is a separate part of the constructor. yes, he organizes it almost there. well, that is, like an ideological organization. that means they smashed all the wings in the metropolis, there is pornography of the spirit, and everything else that only take a break for spring to come. and what, she tells me even without erofeev. she says the guys went to the crimea, they drove perfectly by car. we arrived in crimea and drove by car. she was such a green car. we drove the volga from yevpatoria, and we were amazed that for some reason we were being taken to the most reserved places by seraphim. he was driving, then only we realized that he was lost. i already

looked at the details of crimean life, and everything is there in the novel. and not to mention that, of course, maybe even the idea once it occurred to him that you won’t ask him anymore, but maybe it’s connected with salmonakh , metropol, because he is there in the novel island of crimea, there are some references to this, for example , i even wrote out one thing that they were going to do vernissage was not touched, that for some reason , the functionaries aroused extreme anger. although now there are dozens of these verniss. here, and there it means that the protagonist of the island of crimea, archers, was satisfied with the vernissage in moscow of his magazine courier. and there, it means that what we wanted to do is written in axon. everything will be very easy to beat and caviar. we are even for this was dropped by the participants in money and as invited they will write or actors , artists and models will be. walking between

an intellectual as like flowers, it means that he has all this in his novel. that is, this is your unfulfilled plan. don't listen to him, so that we decide not to do the vernissart, because we were told. and if we arrange a vernis, they will expel all the participants from the writers. so he never talked about what he writes. that is, he was such a secretive person in this sense, right? or was he superstitious or something, that is, i already found out that there is novel. the island of crimea when he gave it to me to read, and there i came across the most wonderful greetings from him in the novel, because when a soviet destroyer enters yalta and there, then, all of a sudden, such a radio port says such a phrase. a detachment of popov and erofeev will line up on the third deck to meet with representatives of the local population. attention, the commander of the ship congratulates the young sailors on the start of their service, because, then,

at that time we were just kicked out of the writers' union. that must have been the irony regarding the commencement of service. but tell me, please, how did he come up with an excuse, uh, this idea uh, to make such an alternative history. yes , to come up with such a move that, firstly, well, the geographical crimea is really an island, yes, that is, it is not connected at all to any isthmuses with the mainland. and further. as far as i understand, these are the events, and the winters of 1920. yes, when the reds crossed the ice. uh, sevash was captured, and crimea but how did he come up with? yes, this is the move that this did not happen and crimea, uh, appeared alternative white. his story is already ask about it, but it is, of course, an amazing phantasmagarial fantasy, because look at all his texts. what he just does not come up with.

and here, after all, he hated what he called bestial seriousness, because how crimea means, why was it not captured by the red, because with a hangover some english officer of ours saw that some people were walking on the ice and began to shoot from a cannon and the ice, cracked and everything, when it occurred to him, but i say that he was a writer writer hiv was that's the thing. there is, of course, an association with the wing island, but such a geopolitical one, it’s probably hong kong, it’s probably taiwan, it’s west berlin well, that is, these are the islands of some other world that are connected with the metropolis, never on this topic they didn’t say, but it’s undoubtedly just taiwan , most likely, so what else is interesting, after all, but what happens in the novel? what does crimea have ? gloomy tones, let's say not at all the way it is

depicted. e in the star ticket, but let the baltics be there, but still it is part of the soviet union at that time and not even like a stocked bachkatare and still an amazing tenderness for the soviet country. and yes, this is a great book. simply amazing in its tenderness, the book, but here it seems to me, after all, there is more some kind of anger, more poison , uh, more some kind of rejection, more some kind of irritability. so i remember alexander abramovich kabakov just in your book suggests that this book is about the fragility of democracy and the efforts of totalitarianism. and why why does he do this, because the aksenok really did not like the left-wing intelligentsia. and if you want to say that luchnikov - this is rather a negative character, after all, points of view. because he becomes politicians instead of journalists, or something, and the idea of ​​a society of common destiny, because it was a crazy idea that there is, if you join a civilized one. the island of crimea to such a monster

as the soviet union, then this tree will sprout and the soviet union will become the island of crimea but after all in fact, evgeny anatolyevich in a sense, that’s how it happened, after all, if we take , relatively speaking, the history of russia after the ninety -first year, then, and russia really became the island of crimea let there be ugly all these features of the nineties with all the distortions. but, in principle, this is what was the grain on the island, crimea, like this new bourgeois order. in the end, in russia it really sprouted what he was afraid of and what he did not want to become a fax. if you say what i wanted to say so about the fact that russia became really sharp crimea, i know, when i was convinced of this at the age of 80, when aksyonov was celebrated like that in kazan , there was a huge one in the air dedicated to this forever, so, in my opinion, 3,000

people, or something, it was hot , as on the island, crimea, there were no drunks to my amazement. you understand how jazz was played on the island of crimea, as on the island of crimea, and it was so pleasant to the heart and the youth of the youth was chock-full, he became a national hero. you are an actor in tatarstan and this is for me then i thought, well, just the island of crimea, here, yes , he somehow treated this. that's when it turns out that he invented an alternative history. turned into another alternate history. it all happened, what's the matter? so he did it anyway. let's see this for a second. vasily pavlovich leaves the soviet union in the eightieth year, but in fact we are surviving him from here. come on, do not survive, he is deprived of citizenship. yes, and he was allowed to read for 10 years, he lives in america, yes.

returns here. yes, he lives in america and this, amazing for a writer, too, a writer usually experiences success once in his life, but he survived. i think four times the first success of a colleague from star ticket, the second, it means that he had success almanac not tropopol, the third success he had when he was thrown into america so that's it. well, he lectured there and became a famous american professor, he was adored by students and the fourth success. when he returned to his homeland. at first, his first year, after all, was not very much his, although aksyonov a. all. but after the movie was over, moscow saga, here he again became a national hero four times. that is, he is such a lucky man, he is not a happy fate, yes, and here he has one of his best collections, for which there was not a single review. this means that the negative stories of the positive hero were so terribly

interested in him, as the former author of yunost komsomol and there the story about the komsomol members who manage to sell to the west is prohibited. it was titan but they sell it in the form of titanium shovels, you know, never in your life. i don't believe that the 5,000 a elderly multimillionaires who make up the oscar academy is ready to watch a thai film nominated for an oscar a czech film nominated for an oscar the island of crimea plus the surname aksenok, which is so strange another miracle. everything will be very simple to beat the caviar and the models will walk among the intellectuals, like flowers, how does a person fast, what should he fast? no, i’m walking vasya with you

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this is a podcast the life of wonderful writer and rector of the literary institute alexei varlamov is with you and we continue our conversation with evgeny popov about the novel by vasily aksyonov island of crimea, do you know what he caught you about? naturally, i read this novel for the first time when it was published in the ninetieth, in my opinion, in the journal youth, that is, the publisher himself. he was less caught in his youth and, of course, it was absolutely cool. it was one of those literary events of that time. now i have read it. and so i began to catch myself thinking. what to reduce sensation? that is, then, of course, i was struck by the beauty of the bourgeois crimea, because we had not yet seen all this. yes, i didn't has never been abroad. and for me it was just such a journey to see skyscrapers. all those bad places. this

is the western atmosphere, as if in such an externally attractive now. in general, well , everything, yes. here is from the novel island of crimea what is not in the ussr what is not there in the ussr did not buy double pancake blades of colored film for mini-photo cubes with flashes of jazz plates of shaving foam for long socks and this goes very well. i remember this place this is the archers when he arrived, there are felt-tip pens with colored threads of lipstick. well and so on and so on further. i remember very well nothing we had nothing of it. and of course, then here is razin's front. i read all about it and thought, that's where people live. now i caught myself feeling that i was reading a roman pamphlet. yeah, and i had some strange association. here is such a novel of an absolutely opposite, but an axion writer. what do you want the village wants everything he wants, which

thundered all the time, like such a stalinist absolutely communist novel and there is such a very ironic image of different such pseudofields. forces in the soviet union in the sixties there he ridicules the westerners here he ridicules the slavophiles , the russian party, some other party here aksyonov in my opinion. in a way , it does the same. here he writes, uh, pamphlet pamphlet. well, the genre is pomflate, it's always so a little limited, and it affects the fact that the figures are not very voluminous. they are so a little flat, a little stilted in their own way, maybe curious. yes, there is such a member of the central committee who feels sorry for this crimea, because he understands that if crimea will join the soviet yes persons there, yes marlene who is cousins ​​who dies, in the end, how is it there, of course, very interesting female images. ah, tatyana lunin.

yes, this is luchnikov's beloved. and then i remembered the eagle from 84. this is the idea that, as it were, the most true. the test against totalitarianism is a protest against sexual emancipation. yes. here, here, with what a woman can answer, she can answer in a special way, but with such complete freedom. uh, that's all, of course, uh, terribly interesting, but some things. here they are seem naive unfulfilled, and yet, really. here is the very idea. yes, here is the island of crimea, detachment, joining plus the surname aksyonov yes, which this upload so strangely responded to give another miracle, aksenov’s, and vasily pavlovich lived up to this time, i don’t remember, in my opinion, no, he still died earlier. yes, that is, until sun- and how did he generally feel about the fact that in the nineties in the zero, crimea was part of ukraine and he somehow

said something on this topic, somehow this is his topic i was of little interest, because the fact that crimea was then part of ukraine, by the way, had no effect. to go there, yes, so i described to you that we went to the crimea yes, we arrived in moscow, we were already kicked out further to write down how we arrived in moscow and he rented an apartment in koktebel for the summer. so, next to the house of creativity, and there he wrote. moreover, i rented the island of crimea from some person who worked in the house of creativity. he had an apartment and this man did not tell for many years that the kgb officers came to him from and said, get out of the apartment. so so aksenov will live here and the whole apartment was eavesdropped. and what was there sent about it? who knows? and he thought they were eavesdropping, that wouldn't surprise you, you know.

well, at least what is there to eavesdrop? it is interesting that he sits creaking with a pen, or what? one way or another, he no longer drank wine at that time, so he was with his wife maya and with his daughter alena at that time and lived all summer and wrote this novel there, then went to moscow in the fall. dressed him then gave us to read. have you read in your hands yet? yes , but then what was the impression then feeling. it's a very cheerful, but overwhelming cheerful feeling, that is, the leader writes, you understand wonderfully funny. it means that he understands everything and there is no such special mythology, because after all, he has the island of crimea, which is opposed to the soviet union, it is not so good, it’s not so good, if you look closely from the present times and with our experience, there corruption exists there, which is just not there, nationalism exists there, there are

hundreds of wolf cubs there, and fights between communists and consistent people have been talked about this many times, because it all means subsequently democracy and the left idea after all. he traveled a lot during this time. he navigated these leftist intellectuals. he did not say that he had performed somewhere in germany and said so. what does it mean that some person, who was sitting there, jumped up and said, “you are lying all the time, it’s all wrong.” so, it's all there , people live happily building communism and anger left this meeting. so he slammed the door and that's it. she says i saw through the window that he was getting into an expensive car on the road. you know, some insanely expensive one, and he saw it all, and he saw what the french slavists told me, rinnel said. gera has not yet obeyed

moscow, in principle, verbose, because in order to make a career, one had to write. and mayakovsky and at best, and kirsanov, well, you don’t like stalin, write to pass the cat. you see, all this, and when the energy of a young age began to mingle with emigrants, they told him young man, you are crazy, you will not make any career like that. that's because this balance is literature. it's a balance emigrant. you understand here. and here's what you need to do. and now everything has changed. he told me a wonderful story that, for example, they began to translate, for example, some people only when they were published in moscow, when you already understand in modern times, and these white guards, who aksyonov had russian patriots then in revokuants, these

luchnikov’s father, that is, all this is modeled the situation of world evil and good. i would say so, but he spoke with one of the representatives of this first wave of russian migration on west, some kind of their reaction, i must have had it in the sixth year. he was friends there with some count by the name of just very fat, and together we celebrated the new year, count tolstoy and his wife are an absolutely simple -looking person, but it’s clear that it’s there under this simplicity that you know a lot of things. he knew, then it means he wrote a lot. american immigrants, he was friends with many of them, they have their own slang. so, for example, where the ladies call each other, darling there or something else, and where the words are already confused, so this is the most english and russian words. thor is also so that it is very interested. well

, the second one, of course. uh, like danger. yes, here is one left, relatively speaking, the line of his novel against this childhood illness or spring, so to speak, in the european consciousness, the second, of course, is stalinism in the soviet union that is, i saw nationalism well. here is the same island of crimea where it means there are such extremists, which means there are a hundred there. and, of course, it's all shown. uh, already rotten scenes in the bath, where they are beer beer, so this a young energetic luchnikov although he is a leftist. he, for example, in two counts, so this is the very car. savitz moves away from surveillance, and everything disappears. consent disappears, but nevertheless, when you read this novel. i thought that if i read it in the seventy-ninth year, i would least of all believe that 10 years would pass and nothing would remain of this country, not of the sharp crimea, of the soviet union and nothing would remain of the soviet system and everything would be different . that is, there is absolutely no

incomprehensible. where can i get anything talk about yourself. i somehow perceived it as a dream and fantasy, because it was clear that there were no grounds for appearing . there were no grounds for this from the list of goods in moscow, but nevertheless everything appeared. that's the problem. it’s a pity that they don’t write about it, but they write about all the momentary nonsense, you know, because there are also questions of good and evil. such as it is possible to make good out of evil and other questions are even closer. what is convergence. was there a chance, for example, to correct soviet power, you know, a before that, after all, aksyonov, for example, it was not by chance that in the last novels of komsomoltsev he was friends. this karpinsky was such a secretary of the komsomol passing on the personality, which means

that he was later expelled from the party and, naturally, appointed. well, he told me everything that flax, whom he adored and respected, and said. vasya, now we will have some kind of congress. i'm sorry, i'll scold your star ticket, too, says. yes , let's understand all this, that is, was it possible in a peaceful way? without any, that is, well, in short, a revolution or a revolution, that is whether it was possible to follow the chinese path , relatively speaking, the chinese path is the preservation of the political system while developing economic relations. but this thought is connected with the island, you understand, because russia has experienced so much. we already had everything , the tsar was lenin, there was trotsky. stalin was khrushchev, and so on perestroika was after perestroika was what else

the possibilities are running out of everything. you know what's the matter. and now it seems to me that, well, it's the right time to realize yourself and what you write about and become already like that. with sharp crimea but without consequences, but without these negative traits, and it seems to me that now the time has come for this, because such were the antagonists, and this is reflected in the island of crimea, i don’t know, the russian party is cosmopolitan, and that’s it. now, it seems to me, it’s enough already to collide, each other’s foreheads and people, these parts of them have already died, and then, when you start to carefully examine us, like texts, a friend discovered with amazement that between astafin and aksyon is no longer such an abyss or noisy . i'm already a fool, i don't even speak anymore, because they are two vasily. well, i thought that

the three great vasily of russian prose of the end of the second half of the twentieth century and the beginning of the xxi century, this is vasily aksyonov, a fazilet of kander, who vasily was also baptized and vasily shukshin understand, they themselves don’t really understand each other shukshin and aksyonov almost did not confront iskander, he seemed to have his own ideas, but it is clear that what unites them. before. you know, aksyonov is a dude on the microfield, which means that shukshin was a drunk man driving when he was learning to drive, which means iskander came down from the mountains, which means unclear. why does he write in russian wonderfully like this. i think that they were united by one thing, that for them russia is not my country. in general, what's the matter? and this is how it should be now. it seems to me that we should be guided by this, and because dubai's evolution is better than any revolution. but

by the way, i think that the island of crimea gives such hope, because the ending of this novel. he is so very kind, but the tragic terrible, yes, there is a son, yes, anton luchnikov, that is, uh, son. anton, what is his name, son anton, grandson arseniy, that is, there, well, there is also a name like that at tarkovsky yes, it’s andrey, the father of russia , anton, and that’s not by chance, of course , he loved, adored those things. all of them are leaving, the crimea and the soviet soldiers should destroy them, but they don’t destroy them. it is very beautiful these aksenov language in a helicopter years ago. they are almost a mother. they say. what does she say, the most. e, here, - he says - a cross, a guy, lies and depicts everything. and there is another child one says. yes, i will not throw a bomb only. well, how can you throw a bomb in the stomach, they shoot past and the person who controls it. means them.